Tax Rebates May Be Used

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Does anyone know if younger people are going to get this "tax" stimulus b/c they haven't said who is going to get it? Also who's paying for this $150B stimulus anyway? When the government starts giving things away for free a red flag goes up with me. Don't we have enough free lunches. :angry:



Tax Rebates May Be Used
To Cut Debt This Time
By JENNIFER WATERS
January 22, 2008; Page D5

As Washington debates an economic stimulus package that could give taxpayers back as much as $150 billion in lump-sum refunds, not all economists see this as a way to kick-start consumer spending.


Consumers did take the money and spend it after they received tax-rebate checks in 2001, pumping energy into the economy and -- say some economists -- helping stave off a lengthy recession. But at least one economist argues that 2008 bears no resemblance to 2001 and that consumers may well act differently this time, and keep their purse strings tightened.

"We were at a different place then," said Michael Niemira, chief economist for the International Council of Shopping Centers. "Consumers are more apt now to turn to debt reduction as opposed to spending."

President Bush and congressional leaders are negotiating an economic stimulus package that could give taxpayers back as much as $150 billion in lump-sum refunds, among other proposals. Mr. Bernanke last week told members of the House Budget Committee that a temporary plan to put money in the hands of consumers should be put in place swiftly to prop up spending within the next 12 months.

"Getting money to people quickly is good and getting money to low- and moderate-income people is good to get a bigger bang for the buck," Mr. Bernanke said, noting that $100 billion of stimulus "would be certainly measurable and would not be window dressing.
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At that rate, consumers could expect to receive checks ranging from $600 to $1,000 per household. Consumers are likely to pick one of three options for the money: Spend it, use it to pay down debt, or save it.

Many economists and analysts say consumers will repeat their actions following the 2001 tax-rebate checks, when checks ranging from $300 to $600 were widely considered an unexpected windfall and spent on appliances, electronics and home goods.

"There's history behind this and the evidence is that it works," said David Wyss, chief economist for Standard & Poor's. "Give the average consumer a check for 50 bucks and he knows what to do with it."

Personal spending surged sharply in the quarter following the 2001 tax rebates, according to a Congressional Budget Office paper released last week. Consumer studies since that give-back have determined that 20% to 40% of those checks were spent within days after they were received, while two-thirds of the cumulative rebate was circulating in the economy by the end of the following quarter. Consumers tucked away only one-third of the rebate.

Retailers such as Wal-Mart Stores Inc. and Costco Wholesale Corp. turned into mini-banks as a place for shoppers to cash their rebate checks. As hoped, the cash burned holes in consumers' pockets while they were shopping in those stores and prompted them to keep up the spending spree.

If the same holds true this year, Mr. Wyss said, consumers will continue to scoop up the things they have been buying for the past six months -- electronic -- and continue to ignore apparel, footwear and home goods.

"If you ask consumers what they'll do with the money, they'll say that they spend much less than they actually do," said Moody's Economy.com analyst Scott Hoyt. "A significant number of consumers will say they will use the money to pay down debt. They will take the rebate check and mail it directly to their credit-card provider.

"But what happens to their credit-card balance six months hence? If it's where it was before the rebate checks, they've actually spent it though they don't think they have," he said.

Such stimulus packages are aimed mostly at lower-income consumers who are in the worst financial shape because they will go out and buy things, Mr. Hoyt said. Higher-income families aren't as needy for the money or wanting for goods and tend to save it.

"Think about the stresses on low-income folks with the high energy prices and such," he said. "They will be relieved to see the money and that they can spend it."

Mr. Bernanke said much the same to the House committee, noting that studies "suggest that people of lower income or those who are 'liquidity constrained' are more likely to spend in the near term."

"Liquidity constrained" is a euphemism for broke and at the end of the line when it comes to borrowing. Many of those consumers would take on more debt if creditors let them, and they have a higher propensity to spend rebate checks.

In 2001, low-income households were likely to spend more than the amount of the full rebate, while middle-income households increased spending by less than 20% of the refund check.

The same is true for households with lower credit-card limits, according to the CBO paper. In 2001, families with credit limits under $7,000 upped their spending by more than $140 soon after they got the rebates. Those with credit limits above $10,500 spent only $40.

Families that carried credit-card balances that were 90% or more of their limits increased their spending by more than $330, while those with balances from 1% to 50% of their limits raised their spending by fewer than $20.

ICSC's Mr. Niemira said debt is simply too heavy for most consumers to ignore this time. "In the aggregate, the rebates will soften the broader impact of the overhang in debt," he said.
 
I thought it was for taxpayers. Those who file taxes at the end of every year. Like me. Those who don't pay taxes, why would the government give away tax dollars to non tax filers? I did hear Chuck Shumer talking like its unfair for non tax payers to not get it. But he is playing politics again with somebody elses money.

-VG
 
I thought it was for taxpayers. Those who file taxes at the end of every year. Like me. Those who don't pay taxes, why would the government give away tax dollars to non tax filers? I did hear Chuck Shumer talking like its unfair for non tax payers to not get it. But he is playing politics again with somebody elses money.

-VG


I just kept hearing them talk about a tax stimulus but they never said who was eligible. Based on what you said though then I'm going to get it since I pay taxes. I really don't want or need it b/c we are going to have to pay for it later. I hope non tax payers don't get it but you know how the government waste money.
 
I just kept hearing them talk about a tax stimulus but they never said who was eligible. Based on what you said though then I'm going to get it since I pay taxes. I really don't want or need it b/c we are going to have to pay for it later. I hope non tax payers don't get it but you know how the government waste money.

Look at it this way, you'll have to pay taxes on part of it but the rest you get to stimulate the economy.

-VG
 
Like Vegas said, everything is still up in the air. They are concerned that they may give it to some who will simply put it in savings instead of spending it. They feel the spenders will help aid a struggling economy.
 
I just got this from CNN and they are revealing more details about the tax rebate.


WASHINGTON (CNN) -- U.S. taxpayers would get checks of several hundred dollars from the federal government under a plan to stimulate the economy, congressional and Bush administration officials said Thursday.


House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson, right, and House Minority Leader John Boehner announce the package Thursday.

"Tens of millions Americans will have a check in the mail," House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-California, said at a Capitol Hill news conference. "It is there to strengthen the middle class, to create jobs and to turn this economy around."

House Minority Leader John Boehner, R-Ohio, said, "I'm looking for quick action in the House. I hope that the Senate will follow quickly so that we can put this money in the hands of middle-income Americans as soon as possible."

Speaking a few minutes later at the White House, President Bush said the package will "boost our economy and encourage job creation." Video Watch Bush praise the plan »

Sources on Capitol Hill and at the Treasury Department said the plan would send checks of $600 to individuals and $1,200 to couples who paid income tax and who filed jointly.

People who did not pay federal income taxes but who had earned income of more than $3,000 would get checks of $300 per individual or $600 per couple.


A Democratic aide and Republican aide said there will be an additional amount per child, which could be in the neighborhood of $300.

Those who earn up to $75,000 individually or up to $150,000 as a couple will be eligible for the payments, said Republican and Democratic sources familiar with the tentative deal.



Pelosi said as many as 116 million American families will get a rebate check.

Checks could be in taxpayer mailboxes by June, according to an Associated Press report.

The agreement includes a robust package of business incentives and help for homeowners facing possible mortgage foreclosures.

The Treasury Department still must analyze the numbers to determine the price tag of the stimulus package, sources said.

To get to the agreement, Democrats dropped calls for increases in food stamps and an extension of unemployment compensation. Republicans agreed to allow people who pay Social Security taxes but not income taxes to get the checks, sources said.

"This package has the right set of policies and is the right size," Bush said Thursday. "The incentives in this package will lead to higher consumer spending and increased business investment this year."

He added, "This package recognizes that lowering taxes is a powerful and efficient way to help consumers and businesses."

The stimulus package may face resistance from fiscal conservatives in both parties over worries that it would increase the federal debt. Auditors report that the federal deficit -- the difference between what the government takes in and what it spends -- is increasing.

The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office estimated Wednesday the deficit would jump to $250 billion, mainly because of a weakening economy. That estimate does not include any additional spending that would be part of a stimulus package.

The proposal is intended to address economic worries stemming from a worldwide credit crunch created by the mortgage crisis and plunging stock markets. The president proposed the package last week. Video Watch a debate on whether the U.S. is heading into a recession »
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Officials in both parties credited Paulson, the former Goldman Sachs executive known for a shrewd grasp of the markets, with pushing the package aggressively.

"He's been on the phone with practically every member of Congress -- some of them a few times," one Senate Republican aide said. "He's not fooling around."

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/01/24/economic.stimulus/index.html
 
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