Steward: Marquez-Pacquiao III over Mosley-Pacquiao

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By Michael Marley

Back when he was a scrawny, teenager in Detroit with big boxing dreams and fascination with hometown heroes named Joe Louis and Sugar Ray Robinson, Emanuel Steward began to have an appreciation for the legend and lore of the sport.

Steward, who was a 1963 National Golden Gloves champion before he became a legendary trainer as the heartbeat of the famed Kronk Gym in Motown, speaks from that sensibility when he proclaims that the next fight for Manny Pacquiao should be a third bout against Mexican sharpshooter Juan Manuel Marquez.

Steward is not a promoter who only has his eye on the financial bottom line.

As an integral part, no make that a moving force, in the historic Sugar Ray Leonard-Thomas Hearns two bouts, Steward thinks that Juan Ma deserves a third crack at the Pinoy Idol.

Steward thinks posterity should be valued as much as profits in this ring rivalry.

Steward also thinks Marquez-Pacquiao III could produce real fistic fireworks, maybe more so than their two earlier bouts.

“I just don’t think the public is going to buy Manny against Shane Mosley right now, not after they saw Shane against Floyd Mayweather and then (Sergio) Mora,” Steward said by phone from Austria where he is fine-tuning Wladimir Klitschko for a Dec. 11 heavyweight title defense against Derek Chisora.

“Manny and Marquez is a big fight now, right now. I believe both Pacquiao and Marquez are their plateaus, at their fighting best, now which should make for a great third fight. If they can’t get together and make Mayweather-Pacquiao, then this is the fight that should be made next for Manny.”

Steward believes that Pacquiao jumping weight divisions and demanding and getting “catchweight” concessions from foes is “all played out by now.

“I think you see Marquez walking around about 138-139 pounds even though he can be 135 pounds two weeks before a fight and then weigh in at 133,” Steward said. “As for Manny, he was only 144 1/2 the day before the (Antonio) Margarito bout so they can work that out.

“Marquez and Manny both have something to prove, something they can only prove against each other.”

The first Leonard-Hearns bout, which took place Sept. 16, 1981, at Caesars Palace in Las Vegas the Ring magazine Fight of the year, a wild see-saw battle in which the surprise was Hearns outboxing Leonard and then Leonard outslugging puncher Hearns.

Ref Davey Pearl halted it in the 14th as Leonard swarmed and overwhelmed a wobbly "Hitman."

Though there was talk of a quick rematch, Leonard had eye problems (detached retina) and a few "retirements" before they squared off at the same location in 1989.

There was again plenty of excitrment and a touch of controversy as it ended in a draw which most saw as favoritism for Leonard.

Judge Dalby Shirely called the 12th round a 10-8 round for Leonard. If he had made it 10-9 like his colleagues, Hearns (who had floored Leonard in rounds three and 11) would have won as split decision.

There never was a third bout as Hearns moved up in weight.

Certainly, the public would have bought Chapter 3 but it just never came to fruition.
 
Did you know the attendance #'s for both Pacs last fights were inflated. they had to give away about 6000 seats for the Margarito fight. And TOP RANK says that the fight did ove 1 mil PPV buys but they refuse to release any numbers. What did Floyd/Mosley do officially? Something like 1.4 mil.:smh: And Manny's the biggest draw in boxing?
 
Did you know the attendance #'s for both Pacs last fights were inflated. they had to give away about 6000 seats for the Margarito fight. And TOP RANK says that the fight did ove 1 mil PPV buys but they refuse to release any numbers. What did Floyd/Mosley do officially? Something like 1.4 mil.:smh: And Manny's the biggest draw in boxing?

oh.... word? So these niggas is running around acting like they are big shit and they don't even got the number we think they got.:smh:
 
Something tells me that Top Rank is going to shut Steward down for talking too much and Roach might be taking over as Cotto's trainer too.

Yeah well you see how quick Larry Merchant was back last week co-signing everything Pacman was doing including fighting Shane Mosley - just a week after Max Kellerman said that it was "unacceptable" for Pac's camp to even consider fighting Mosley. Larry, in an article I read today, said Mosley was still a dangerous opponent because - now get this - because Pacman's people still believe him to be a threat. He said that Mosley was only 75% of what he used to be, but that 75% is still dangerous.:smh: I hope if they take that fight, that whole shit just backfires and blows up in their fucking faces.:angry:
 
Did you know the attendance #'s for both Pacs last fights were inflated. they had to give away about 6000 seats for the Margarito fight. And TOP RANK says that the fight did ove 1 mil PPV buys but they refuse to release any numbers. What did Floyd/Mosley do officially? Something like 1.4 mil.:smh: And Manny's the biggest draw in boxing?


"HBO announced Tuesday that Pacquiao's one-sided battering of Antonio Margarito on Nov. 13 at Cowboys Stadium to win a vacant junior middleweight title -- his record-extending eighth -- generated at least 1.15 million buys and $64 million domestic pay-per-view revenue.

The number HBO reported is only an initial figure, with the total likely to rise once the buys are fully accounted for."

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=5842507
 
Yeah well you see how quick Larry Merchant was back last week co-signing everything Pacman was doing including fighting Shane Mosley - just a week after Max Kellerman said that it was "unacceptable" for Pac's camp to even consider fighting Mosley. Larry, in an article I read today, said Mosley was still a dangerous opponent because - now get this - because Pacman's people still believe him to be a threat. He said that Mosley was only 75% of what he used to be, but that 75% is still dangerous.:smh: I hope if they take that fight, that whole shit just backfires and blows up in their fucking faces.:angry:

I hope Pac gets off the dope and fights Marquez or Floyd.
 
Read the comments on this articles...these cats are bullshitting.. pacman and floyd are so polarizing..... i think that fight would do 2.5 million buys easily if they do the fight next year...

Yeah. The buildup for the fight is ridiculous. Imagine if it finally happens and turns out to be a boring fight or a fast knockout within the first minute of the fight.
 
Yeah. The buildup for the fight is ridiculous. Imagine if it finally happens and turns out to be a boring fight or a fast knockout within the first minute of the fight.

i would be fucking pissed :lol::lol::lol: but I couldnt imagine it being a boring fight though

but man.. I really think this fight could even push close to 3 million buys man..
 
"HBO announced Tuesday that Pacquiao's one-sided battering of Antonio Margarito on Nov. 13 at Cowboys Stadium to win a vacant junior middleweight title -- his record-extending eighth -- generated at least 1.15 million buys and $64 million domestic pay-per-view revenue.

The number HBO reported is only an initial figure, with the total likely to rise once the buys are fully accounted for."

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=5842507

Really, that's funny because Top Rank said initially that it had done about 1.4 million. Thanks for the info. But here's some food for thought.

http://www.opposingviews.com/i/surprise-manny-pacquiao-a-disappointing-financial-draw

This has been a recurring theme when it comes to Manny Pacquiao. It’s been the reason the people who actually make money off boxing have been so anxious to Floyd Mayweather Jr. face Pacquiao – and not the hand-picked wastes-of-space Bob Arum has been throwing into the ring against his golden boy.

As it stands now, Pacquiao will likely get $20 million for pounding proven cheater Antonio Margarito on November 13. It’s possible the figure could grow to $25 million by the time the last few dollars are counted.

Based on the pay-per-view sales released by HBO Sports this past week, there were 1.15 million buys and $64 million in domestic revenue brought in from the Pacquaio vs. Margarito fight. According to Time Warner Cable, this fight generated 14,474 pay-per-view buys.

For comparison’s sake, Pacquiao-Oscar De La Hoya had 13,341 buys and De La Hoya-Mayweather recorded an astounding 22,301 purchases.

Despite an announced attendance of 41,734 for the Pacquiao Margarito fight, the Texas Department of Licensing and Regulation says the official attendance was actually 40,154. Of course, that figure also includes 9,717 comps, which means the actual attendance was only 30,437.

Simply put: Despite Manny Pacquaio's overall popularity and pound-for-pound-best-fighter-on-earth status, the much-hyped fight didn’t meet promoters’ expectations.

Some predicted the bout would draw 50,000+ fans, while others said this fight’s spectator total could eclipse the 63,315 that showed up for Muhammad Ali vs. Leon Spinks in 1978.

Attendance for the fight also fell below the 50,994 mark set in the Pacquiao-Joshua Clottey bout. (You could argue that number was artificially inflated because of the bout's site. A brand new Cowboys Stadium in Dallas acted as a one-time attraction for curious fans.)

It’s clear Pacquiao is supposed to be the face of boxing, particularly when most boxing aficionados continue to vilify Mayweather. However, for all his troubles, Mayweather has proven to be a true superstar attraction–in every sense.

Based on the numbers, it seems promoters are having a little trouble selling the Filipino superstar.



http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=33317

2. As expected, the attendance numbers were inflated for Manny Pacquiao’s fight with Antonio Margarito.

The announced attendance was 41,734, but the actual attendance was 40,154 – and, of that, 30,437 were paid, with 9,717 seats being given away for free, according to Dan Rafael of ESPN.com.

Rafael did a good job of reporting, getting numbers from the Texas Department of Licensing and Regulation and providing a breakdown in ticket sales. For those of you thinking I’m just providing numbers here for no reason, just wait… there’s a good reason.

$700 tickets – 2,475 sold.
$500 tickets – 1,687 sold.
$400 tickets – 14 sold.
$300 tickets – 2,087 sold.
$250 tickets – 61 sold.
$200 tickets – 2,496 sold.
$150 tickets – 445 sold.
$125 tickets – 866 sold.
$100 tickets – 9,536 sold.
$75 tickets – 300 sold.
$60 tickets – 1,272 sold.
$50 tickets – 8,727 sold.
$40 tickets – 471 sold.

3. I mention all these numbers because I keep beating that dead horse, keep having to repeat that Pacquiao’s fight with Joshua Clottey didn’t sell 51,000 tickets. Even the stellar Rafael continues to perpetuate this myth:

“On the night of [Pacquiao-Margarito], attendance was announced at 41,734 – far short of 50,000 and far less than what Pacquiao’s fight there in March drew against Joshua Clottey,” Rafael wrote in his breakdown of the Pacquiao-Margarito ticket sales.

I’ve said it time and again – Pacquiao-Clottey had 41,843 – selling 36,371 tickets with an additional 5,472 seats given away for free, according to the Sports Business Journal.

And since those words, repeated again and again, haven’t changed some minds, here are the numbers:

$700 tickets – 2,852 sold.
$500 tickets – 1,277 sold.
$300 tickets – 3,062 sold.
$200 tickets – 3,955 sold.
$175 tickets – 895 sold.
$150 tickets – 222 sold.
$100 tickets – 12,344 sold.
$75 tickets – 872 sold.
$50 tickets – 9,636 sold.
$35 tickets – 1,256 sold.




http://www.pacquiao-margarito.com/margarito-fight-ppv-buys-to-hit-1-5-million/

The pay-per-view buys of Manny Pacquiao’s fight with Antonio Margarito last Saturday may surpass those for the Oscar dela Hoya fight in 2008.

Mike Koncz, Pacquiao’s chief adviser, said Tuesday that all indications point to 1.4 million buys at $54.95 a pop, and it means total sales of roughly $77 million.
Pacquiao Margarito PPV

Pacquiao Margarito PPV

And an extra income of $10 million for Pacquiao, who was guaranteed $15 million for the fight.

Things could even get a little higher than that.

“The numbers say we’re going to hit 1.4 million or 1.5 million buys. The early trackings say we can hit 1.5 million,” said Koncz.

“And my guess is if it gets to 1.5 million that’s the highest for this year.”

Floyd Mayweather Jr., who shares the all-time PPV record of over 2.4 million in his 2007 fight with Dela Hoya, did 1.4 million in his bout with Shane Mosley last May.

Koncz was asked why it was possible for the Pacquiao-Margarito to surpass the Pacquiao-Dela Hoya which sold for 1.25 million.

“Maybe because everybody thought Oscar was just going to kill Manny,” said Koncz.

It turned out the other way around, Pacquiao beating Dela Hoya and forcing him into submission, and eventually into retirement.

The fight with Dela Hoya turned Pacquiao into an instant sensation on the PPV sensation. He did 850,000 with Ricky Hatton, 1.2 million with Miguel Cotto, and 700,000 with Joshua Clottey.

According to HBO senior vice president for sports Mark Taffet, Pacquiao has sold a total of 6.25 million buys since he started with his pay-per-view fights four years ago.

“That’s 6.25 million buys and a total of $321 million in sales,” said Taffet, and the numbers include an average of a million buys over his last four fights.

“The economic situation also played a part in this (Margarito fight). Probably the people chose to watch on TV and have some party of sort,” said Koncz.

Gate attendance to Saturday’s fight stood at 41,734 when fight promoter Bob Arum said in the weeks leading to the fight he was looking at 60,000 to 70,000.

“But the gates are the least source of income. It’s still the pay-per-view,” said Koncz.

“Bob Arum is very happy,” he added.

Koncz, in Los Angeles tying up a lot of loose ends, cited other reasons, the bigger reasons why the Pacquiao-Margarito did well on the TV screens.

“There are a lot of variables,” he said.

“One, people wanted to see how Manny was going to handle being a boxer and being congressman at the same time. Two, we trained in the Philippines and that raised a lot of suspicion on how he was really training for this fight. Three, the size discrepancy. And four, the styles of both fighters. Everybody knew Margarito would come at him,” Koncz explained.



I guess HBO burst their bubble.:lol::lol:
 
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Did you know the attendance #'s for both Pacs last fights were inflated. they had to give away about 6000 seats for the Margarito fight. And TOP RANK says that the fight did ove 1 mil PPV buys but they refuse to release any numbers. What did Floyd/Mosley do officially? Something like 1.4 mil.:smh: And Manny's the biggest draw in boxing?

If they want to say Manny's p4p, I won't argue because it seems to flip to whichever one fought last but the "biggest draw" part is bullshit and is just inexcusably wrong.


Yeah well you see how quick Larry Merchant was back last week co-signing everything Pacman was doing including fighting Shane Mosley - just a week after Max Kellerman said that it was "unacceptable" for Pac's camp to even consider fighting Mosley. Larry, in an article I read today, said Mosley was still a dangerous opponent because - now get this - because Pacman's people still believe him to be a threat. He said that Mosley was only 75% of what he used to be, but that 75% is still dangerous.:smh: I hope if they take that fight, that whole shit just backfires and blows up in their fucking faces.:angry:

I think Larry's working out his last days/fights of his contract with HBO but Max was really calling "bullshit" with his commentary.
Now that article from Merchant is :eek: and exposes a certain favoritism he has towards Pacquiao that colors his opinion. How he would openly cheerlead for that fight over a 3rd with Marquez or even one with welterweight champion Berto (who just knocked a dude out, looking sensational against weak comp) is beyond me.



Thanks for posting those numbers, merce.
 
If they want to say Manny's p4p, I won't argue because it seems to flip to whichever one fought last but the "biggest draw" part is bullshit and is just inexcusably wrong.




I think Larry's working out his last days/fights of his contract with HBO but Max was really calling "bullshit" with his commentary.
Now that article from Merchant is :eek: and exposes a certain favoritism he has towards Pacquiao that colors his opinion. How he would openly cheerlead for that fight over a 3rd with Marquez or even one with welterweight champion Berto (who just knocked a dude out, looking sensational against weak comp) is beyond me.



Thanks for posting those numbers, merce.

Well Dave, a lot of fans apparently do want to see Pac fight Mosley. I know you know this because I saw your comments in that thread in the main board where you appeared to be bewildered by how many people were like "yeah, Shane will put it on him. Why won't he fight Mosley if he's bad?":lol: Hardcore fans know wazup and most probably don't want a Mosley fight for Pac. It's obvious that those guys on the main board are not hardcore fans but most boxing fans are not hardcore fans. Mosley has a name they recognize and Marquez is not seen as some Julio Cesar Chavez-type Mexican whose name you instantly recognize.
 
Well Dave, a lot of fans apparently do want to see Pac fight Mosley. I know you know this because I saw your comments in that thread in the main board where you appeared to be bewildered by how many people were like "yeah, Shane will put it on him. Why won't he fight Mosley if he's bad?":lol: Hardcore fans know wazup and most probably don't want a Mosley fight for Pac. It's obvious that those guys on the main board are not hardcore fans but most boxing fans are not hardcore fans. Mosley has a name they recognize and Marquez is not seen as some Julio Cesar Chavez-type Mexican whose name you instantly recognize.

This is true.
 
i would be fucking pissed :lol::lol::lol: but I couldnt imagine it being a boring fight though

but man.. I really think this fight could even push close to 3 million buys man..
IF or WHEN it ever happens it won't be as good as it COULD be cuz Bitchweather is gona run grab HOLD a mofo all Night:angry:
 
If they want to say Manny's p4p, I won't argue because it seems to flip to whichever one fought last but the "biggest draw" part is bullshit and is just inexcusably wrong.




I think Larry's working out his last days/fights of his contract with HBO but Max was really calling "bullshit" with his commentary.
Now that article from Merchant is :eek: and exposes a certain favoritism he has towards Pacquiao that colors his opinion. How he would openly cheerlead for that fight over a 3rd with Marquez or even one with welterweight champion Berto (who just knocked a dude out, looking sensational against weak comp) is beyond me.



Thanks for posting those numbers, merce.

Why is Bitchweather not fighting any of the fighters mentioned in this thread? Bradly,Berto etc..I'd rather see him fight a boring fight with Bradly WHY? because IMO bradly would beat him at his own game..Bradly would OutRun The Runner.. he also has a good chance of out working Bitchweather in the fight..if that happens THEN he would be Forced to return to the ring in his next fight being AGGRESSIVE for a friggin change. Bitchweather is trying to wait for PacMan to loose so he can THEN come back into the light talking BS and making demands as usual.
 
Well Dave, a lot of fans apparently do want to see Pac fight Mosley. I know you know this because I saw your comments in that thread in the main board where you appeared to be bewildered by how many people were like "yeah, Shane will put it on him. Why won't he fight Mosley if he's bad?":lol: Hardcore fans know wazup and most probably don't want a Mosley fight for Pac. It's obvious that those guys on the main board are not hardcore fans but most boxing fans are not hardcore fans. Mosley has a name they recognize and Marquez is not seen as some Julio Cesar Chavez-type Mexican whose name you instantly recognize.

That PLUS the fact REAL boxing fans know win or loose MOSLEY will make the fight entertaining..even if he lost.People are TIERD of paying $50 for a fucking Dance contest.:angry: For that matter i'd REALLY have NO problem seing Mosley against Marquez now THAT shit would be a fucking Barn Burner:yes:
 
How long have you been watching Boxing? How may of Floyd's fights have you watched? C'mon dude Floyd doesn't HOLD? get real:smh:

Ive been watching boxing since the 70s and have seen practically evey Floyd fight. All boxers hold on some capacity but Floyd is not an excessive holder.
 
Ive been watching boxing since the 70s and have seen practically evey Floyd fight. All boxers hold on some capacity but Floyd is not an excessive holder.

If you say so. Answer this for me..other than him fighting Manny Pacquiao which other fighters would you like to see Floyd Mayweather Fight and why?
 
If you say so. Answer this for me..other than him fighting Manny Pacquiao which other fighters would you like to see Floyd Mayweather Fight and why?

You can do a search on my post history. I thought PW a year ago but PW is not ready.

I would like to see him go up and fight Sergio... of all the available fights, that would be the most challenging for Floyd in my opinion. Do a search on my name, floyd and sergio and you will get the reasons...no need to repeat it.
 
One thing Kellerman said during the Margarito fight that was the most truthful thing I've heard in a long time, is that he wasn't as impressed with Manny's performance as others were, pointing out how sloppy Manny's defense has gotten and how much he has been hit lately. I've always been a big supporter of Manny but lately, I must say, if Floyd can come back and not be AS affected by his layoff as I believe he will be, I see him surgically cutting Manny up. What a lot of people don't realize is that Manny is a rhythm fighter and once his rhythm is figured out, he will be sort of exposed. While I believe he is very talented at what he does, it is obvious now that he is not fighting Marquez because at any weight, I believe he realizes he has tempted fate already with Marquez, and Marquez, with a 3rd shot would figure him out and counter him to death. Also, I see that as the reason why they want to fight Shane. Shane as talented as he is, it's obvious he is not a 'thinking' fighter, and he has obviously slowed a bit, failing to be able to pull the trigger against Floyd and Mora?!?!?! While it hurt him against Floyd, Manny will be throwing a lot of punches at Shane and giving him angles, so it will end up being an easy fight for Manny while Shane will get lumped up!!! Rest assured it will be a miracle for Manny to fight Floyd or Marquez, and if he gets by Shane, Berto will most definitely be next, as he is a similar fighter to Shane, only younger. Manny really is building his career with smoke and mirrors... Damn shame though... :smh:
 
One thing Kellerman said during the Margarito fight that was the most truthful thing I've heard in a long time, is that he wasn't as impressed with Manny's performance as others were, pointing out how sloppy Manny's defense has gotten and how much he has been hit lately. :

His face was very lumped up after that right. Manny gets hit A LOT...he just wins on speed and sheer volume with some of these slower-footed stationary fighters like margarito and cotto. That is not going to get it done against Floyd. He is going to miss a lot more and get counterpunched to death. I see Floyd winning on a UD if they fight.
 
How long have you been watching Boxing? How may of Floyd's fights have you watched? C'mon dude Floyd doesn't HOLD? get real:smh:

Shane Mosley holds WAY more than Floyd, he wrestled Cotto's ass to death and did the same to Margarito - and neither he nor floyd really hold, it's called clinching and with great boxers it's mainly tactical, a great jab and a well timed clinch can disrupt a dudes whole gameplan. I don't see why more people don't clinch Pacman, it's one of the keys to beating him.
 
One thing Kellerman said during the Margarito fight that was the most truthful thing I've heard in a long time, is that he wasn't as impressed with Manny's performance as others were, pointing out how sloppy Manny's defense has gotten and how much he has been hit lately. I've always been a big supporter of Manny but lately, I must say, if Floyd can come back and not be AS affected by his layoff as I believe he will be, I see him surgically cutting Manny up. What a lot of people don't realize is that Manny is a rhythm fighter and once his rhythm is figured out, he will be sort of exposed. While I believe he is very talented at what he does, it is obvious now that he is not fighting Marquez because at any weight, I believe he realizes he has tempted fate already with Marquez, and Marquez, with a 3rd shot would figure him out and counter him to death. Also, I see that as the reason why they want to fight Shane. Shane as talented as he is, it's obvious he is not a 'thinking' fighter, and he has obviously slowed a bit, failing to be able to pull the trigger against Floyd and Mora?!?!?! While it hurt him against Floyd, Manny will be throwing a lot of punches at Shane and giving him angles, so it will end up being an easy fight for Manny while Shane will get lumped up!!! Rest assured it will be a miracle for Manny to fight Floyd or Marquez, and if he gets by Shane, Berto will most definitely be next, as he is a similar fighter to Shane, only younger. Manny really is building his career with smoke and mirrors... Damn shame though... :smh:

The thing with Shane though is that he's always done his worst against technical counter punchers, Manny is a straight up attacker and Shane does well against guys like that. Shane WILL clinch and wrestle Manny, Manny is too small and not strong enough to wrestle with a guy like Shane. Shane has experience but he's lost speed in his hands, noticeably and that's the biggest drawback for him now. 2 fights ago, Shane wins this match, possibly by KO. 5 years ago, no question in my mind that he knocks Manny's ass out. I still think people are making a lil bit of a mistake in sleeping on Shane because of his last 2 fights. Shane still has a style that could cause problems for Manny. Manny is not Floyd who could make most fighters look old and Sergio Mora is a fighter who makes guys look bad in a different way, he makes the fight very sloppy, and makes his opponents look sloppy. I just think Shane's lost too much hand speed, Manny's there to be hit, but Shane's loss of speed will be much more noticeable when Manny's landing and Shane's counter flurries are missing. Shane was a very underrated counter puncher in his time.
 
The thing with Shane though is that he's always done his worst against technical counter punchers, Manny is a straight up attacker and Shane does well against guys like that. Shane WILL clinch and wrestle Manny, Manny is too small and not strong enough to wrestle with a guy like Shane. Shane has experience but he's lost speed in his hands, noticeably and that's the biggest drawback for him now. 2 fights ago, Shane wins this match, possibly by KO. 5 years ago, no question in my mind that he knocks Manny's ass out. I still think people are making a lil bit of a mistake in sleeping on Shane because of his last 2 fights. Shane still has a style that could cause problems for Manny. Manny is not Floyd who could make most fighters look old and Sergio Mora is a fighter who makes guys look bad in a different way, he makes the fight very sloppy, and makes his opponents look sloppy. I just think Shane's lost too much hand speed, Manny's there to be hit, but Shane's loss of speed will be much more noticeable when Manny's landing and Shane's counter flurries are missing. Shane was a very underrated counter puncher in his time.

No doubt, the Shane that beat Margarito, whips Manny... This isn't that Shane though. I really would like to see Manny fight Marquez though, if you look at Manny's fights with him, he wasn't as active or aggressive... The reason Floyd beat Marquez so easily is because they have the same style in terms of countering, Floyd was bigger stronger and faster.
 
No doubt, the Shane that beat Margarito, whips Manny... This isn't that Shane though. I really would like to see Manny fight Marquez though, if you look at Manny's fights with him, he wasn't as active or aggressive... The reason Floyd beat Marquez so easily is because they have the same style in terms of countering, Floyd was bigger stronger and faster.

Yup, people complained that Floyd should have gone after Marquez, but when you go after a guy like Marquez you give him a chance to counter, even if you're Floyd, it's dangerous. Marquez is mad precise. I think he wouldn't make any of his past mistakes against Manny. If they fight on the inside, Marquez chops him up.
 
IF or WHEN it ever happens it won't be as good as it COULD be cuz Bitchweather is gona run grab HOLD a mofo all Night:angry:

Why is Bitchweather not fighting any of the fighters mentioned in this thread? Bradly,Berto etc..I'd rather see him fight a boring fight with Bradly WHY? because IMO bradly would beat him at his own game..Bradly would OutRun The Runner.. he also has a good chance of out working Bitchweather in the fight..if that happens THEN he would be Forced to return to the ring in his next fight being AGGRESSIVE for a friggin change. Bitchweather is trying to wait for PacMan to loose so he can THEN come back into the light talking BS and making demands as usual.

That PLUS the fact REAL boxing fans know win or loose MOSLEY will make the fight entertaining..even if he lost.People are TIERD of paying $50 for a fucking Dance contest.:angry: For that matter i'd REALLY have NO problem seing Mosley against Marquez now THAT shit would be a fucking Barn Burner:yes:

How long have you been watching Boxing? How may of Floyd's fights have you watched? C'mon dude Floyd doesn't HOLD? get real:smh:

If you say so. Answer this for me..other than him fighting Manny Pacquiao which other fighters would you like to see Floyd Mayweather Fight and why?

Who let this nigga in here???:smh:
 
No doubt, the Shane that beat Margarito, whips Manny... This isn't that Shane though. I really would like to see Manny fight Marquez though, if you look at Manny's fights with him, he wasn't as active or aggressive... The reason Floyd beat Marquez so easily is because they have the same style in terms of countering, Floyd was bigger stronger and faster.

I don't think so.... we have to back further than that.

Marquez looked so bad against PBF because he tried to be the aggressor against a faster counter puncher and after being down a lot of rounds... he had no choice but to be the aggressor. I think he wanted to get Floyd into a brawl but Floyd never takes the bait. He always fights his fight.
 
My bad what was i thinking..only YOU know boxing and only YOUR opinions matters right? Oh and you are never wrong.:rolleyes::hmm:

No... but you don't know boxing.

Floyd holds and runs??? Have you even seen Floyd fight??? Have you ever seen a fighter who holds and runs???

Never mind, I'm probably got another buk or zef on my hands here.

Carry on.
 
No... but you don't know boxing.

Floyd holds and runs??? Have you even seen Floyd fight??? Have you ever seen a fighter who holds and runs???

Never mind, I'm probably got another buk or zef on my hands here.

Carry on.
So far most of what u say is NOT from fact but from your own opinion..what you say has no authority other than that in your own mind. When u read how others feel and it's not as YOU see things it annoys you or something. Instead of u just saying u disagree you have to say things that say the other person is wrong.Accept it man sometimes others may feel the way they feel for whatever reasons..and thats ok if it's NOT as u see things..it'ok you will be ok...there will always be other threads you can walk into and be opinionated in.
 
So far most of what u say is NOT from fact but from your own opinion..what you say has no authority other than that in your own mind. When u read how others feel and it's not as YOU see things it annoys you or something. Instead of u just saying u disagree you have to say things that say the other person is wrong.Accept it man sometimes others may feel the way they feel for whatever reasons..and thats ok if it's NOT as u see things..it'ok you will be ok...there will always be other threads you can walk into and be opinionated in.

Great for you.... You have an opinion but you can't see with own eyes when a fighter grabs another fighter or when a fighter moves in the opposite direction of his opponent.... Or how often those things happen in general in a fight to gauge when it is excessive or not.

You must distort those things with your opinions of the fighter.... but like most people who put very little thought into their opinions, you think every opinion deserves the same validity.

Example of my point....

Someone like you: "I think Mickey Ward is the GOAT."

Me: "Based on what?"

Someone like you: "Because that's my opinion"
 
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