Steele: African-Americans Not Given Good Reason to Vote Republican

[Harold Ford Jr.]

We are not on our grind hard enough stifling free speech,and denying free thinking. We need to FORGET all about NOT looking hypocritical, that doesn't matter.We just need to "dumb-down" them into submission.

If we keep it up, I know we can make it happen!

 

[MASTERBAKER]

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Zo wants to put the black back in the Republican Party, and he is sick of the liberal insults directed towards black Republicans like Herman Cain and Col. Allen West. Hear more about the documentary "Runaway Slave" on this ZoNation.

 

[QueEx]

The only so called Black elected republican of the last 20 years I would vote for was J C Watts.

Recently I've heard several people speak positively, reflecting on J.C.

Their statements kept bouncing around in my mind - - someone on BGOL had said something similar.

Voilà!"

(vwah-LAH - here it is!)

 

[QueEx]

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[thoughtone]

Recently I've heard several people speak positively, reflecting on J.C.

Their statements kept bouncing around in my mind - - someone on BGOL had said something similar.

Voilà!"

(vwah-LAH - here it is!)

Don't get me wrong, Watts was little more than a figure head of the GOP trying to dispel the fact that the republican party has little to offer Black folk. And at the time of his intial election, the GOP had fully reconized that angry white men could not sustain the election of republicans in the future.

But Watts was willing to seriously work with democrats on real economic issues concerning the "Black" community. He was a disciple of Jack Kemp, the last republican who spoke seriously about the economic empowerment of Black Americans.

Watts ended his congressional run because the republican powers refuse to offer him any serious chairmanship of a committee that would make realistic change.

So the bottom line is still; African-Americans Not Given Good Reason to Vote Republican!

 

[QueEx]

Don't get me wrong, Watts was little more than a figure head of the GOP trying to dispel the fact that the republican party has little to offer Black folk. And at the time of his intial election, the GOP had fully reconized that angry white men could not sustain the election of republicans in the future.

But Watts was willing to seriously work with democrats on real economic issues concerning the "Black" community. He was a disciple of Jack Kemp, the last republican who spoke seriously about the economic empowerment of Black Americans.

Watts ended his congressional run because the republican powers refuse to offer him any serious chairmanship of a committee that would make realistic change.

So the bottom line is still; African-Americans Not Given Good Reason to Vote Republican!

BUT, there are individual republicans (like there are individual democrats) that are exceptions to the party's brand. Hence, there exist republicans that can get the vote of those who are less impressed with "party" than the candidates stand on the issues.

 

[thoughtone]

BUT, there are individual republicans (like there are individual democrats) that are exceptions to the party's brand. Hence, there exist republicans that can get the vote of those who are less impressed with "party" than the candidates stand on the issues.

Where are they?

Republicans have yet to stick their necks out and question the insanity of their party. Destruction of voting rights, refusal to enact sensible gun laws, questioning the obstruction?

There may be individuals, but they ain't worth a damn if they don't loudly and unequivocally question their party's intransigence.

Despite that video you posted. The history of the republicans and slavery is a bit more complicated.

I can go into detail but I will suggest you look up the The Corwin Amendment. It is still capable of being ratified, but is unquestionably moot.

Then try and be an apologist for the republican legacy.

 

[QueEx]

Where are they?

Republicans have yet to stick their necks out and question the insanity of their party. Destruction of voting rights, refusal to enact sensible gun laws, questioning the obstruction?

There may be individuals, but they ain't worth a damn if they don't loudly and unequivocally question their party's intransigence.

Despite that video you posted. The history of the republicans and slavery is a bit more complicated.

I can go into detail but I will suggest you look up the The Corwin Amendment. It is still capable of being ratified, but is unquestionably moot.

Then try and be an apologist for the republican legacy.

Bro, I just don't know why one should give 2 cents about party, democrat or republican.

Just as there are now ideologically safe republican districts which have the effect of skewing the legislative process, there are democrats (unfortunately, many of them black) that are as much to blame for that phenomenon as are some of the republicans themselves. A "smart" democratic party might have dealt with redistricting in a more foresightful manner, had its attention really been focused on whats best, as a party, for its constituents as a whole, rather than bending to the desires of some democrats who themselves wanted to enjoy the luxury of safe districts.

I could be wrong, but the results of that lack of "party focus" has contributed to some of the voter suppression efforts that we've seen across the country, and we see more acutely how thats working out for us since the high court struck the low blow against the rights of minorities when it gutted the Voting Rights Act.

 

[muckraker10021]

Buoyed by demographics showing a rapidly growing Latino population and the tea-bagger dominated RepubliKlan party’s current estrangement with Latino voters — primarily over the issues of immigration and a path to citizenship for the millions of undocumented already in the U.S. — Democrats, Black Democrats in particular have become instilled with a virtually certain belief that the office of President of the United States is out of reach for RepubliKlans in the years 2016, 2020, etc.

Such thinking is foolish and it belies a lack of critical thinking and strategizing among Black elites. BuShit got 35% of the Latino vote in 2000 and 40% in 2004. RMoney got 27% of the Latino vote. As the article outlines below, the RepubliKlans have absolutely NO plans to change any of their core policies and make a serious attempt to attract Black voters.

The RepubliKlan carcass strategy is to increase the ‘white’ voter turnout and to change the current hateful doctrinaire tea-bagger driven policies towards Latinos, just enough, to attract enough Latino voters to win a national election. The most obvious Latino targets for the RepubliKlans are the light skinned Hispanics who already see themselves as “honorary whites” — the Ted Cruz, Mark Rubio types.

Every other ethnic group who has arrived in the America that the English settlers started in the 1600’s have stepped right over and past African Americans who have been here from the beginning. The Irish, the Italians, the Greeks, the Russians, the Polish, the European Jews (a religion not a race) et al. — ALL were NOT considered de jure “white people” until the end of World War 2 in 1945.

The RepubliKlans strategy is always wedge politics, divide and conquer. Nixon’s and Reagan’s southern strategy. BuShit’s compassionate conservative “I’m saved & washed in the blood of Jesus” bullshit campaign pitch. The 2016 strategy is severe and intense voter suppression of the Black vote coupled with a nativist appeal to ‘white’ voters to turn out in unprecedented numbers in order to “save” America from the brown & Black hordes.

What are Black elites doing to entrench a Black & Latino & working class whites alliance? —nothing. Just a small shift in the Latino vote, which could occur with changes in the current RepubliKlan immigration and path-to-citizenship policies, could leave Black American voters out in the cold for decades; with, no influential access to the White House, one Black Democratic U.S. senator who has no seniority (he just got there), a congressional Black caucus in the House that is in the minority, etc. Black people once again ‘stuck’ on the bottom of the totem pole of American power.





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Should Republicans Just Focus on White Voters?

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by Thomas B. Edsall | July 3, 2013 | http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/07/03/should-republicans-just-focus-on-white-voters/

For two decades, from 1972 to 1992, the Democratic Party agonized over its loss of support among whites, especially those in the working class. Over the next two decades, from the election of Bill Clinton in 1992 to the re-election of Barack Obama in 2012, the party slowly came to terms with its loss and learned how to win the presidency with a minority of white voters.
<br>Now the white vote has become a Republican problem. White voters cast 72 percent of all votes in the Obama-Romney election of 2012 compared to 87 percent in the Nixon-McGovern contest in 1972. Should the Republican Party accept the fact that the white majority in the United States is getting smaller or should it bet on boosting Republican margins and turnout rates among whites to record levels?
<br>The debate within the Republican Party on this fraught topic has provoked new levels of over-the-top rhetoric among the old guard on the farther right side of the Republican spectrum.
<br>Phyllis Schlafly, a conservative anti-feminist, declared in a radio interview on May 24:
<blockquote>The people the Republicans should reach out to are the white votes — the white voters who didn’t vote in the last election. And there are millions of them. And I think when you have an establishment-run nomination system, they give us a series of losers, which they’ve given us with Dole, and McCain, and Romney.</blockquote>
Not to be outdone, as he rarely is, Pat Buchanan wrote in the American Conservative on June 14:
<blockquote> <br>In political terms, this is depressing news for the Republican Party. For nearly 90 percent of all Republican votes in presidential elections are provided by Americans of European descent. In 1960 white folks were close to 90 percent of the entire U.S. population and 95 percent of the electorate. Nixon’s New Majority was created by pulling Northern Catholic ethnics and Southern conservative Protestants, white folks all, out of the Roosevelt coalition and bringing them into a new alliance that would give Nixon a 49-state landslide in 1972, which Reagan would replicate in 1984.</blockquote>
<br>Buchanan continued:<blockquote>
What are the Republicans doing? Going back on their word, dishonoring their platform and enraging their loyal supporters, who gave Mitt 90 percent of his votes, to pander to a segment of the electorate that gave Mitt less than 5 percent of his total votes? Whom the gods would destroy they first make mad.
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Buchanan and Schlafly thrive on a willingness to say — without regard to appearances — what others privately think but don’t want to be caught saying openly. There are other conservative strategists and operatives, closer to the actual business of running campaigns, who see things differently.
<br>I want to focus on three strategists who explore issues of race, message, strategy and the future of the Republican Party:
<br>Sean Trende, the senior elections analyst for RealClearPolitics, who has written a four-part series that seeks to broadly address the problems and alternative choices facing the Republican Party;
<br>Timothy Carney, a columnist for the Washington Examiner, whomakes the case for an anti-elite Republican Party, a “free-market populism and a Republican Party that fights against all forms of political privilege — a party that champions all who want to work and take risks in order to improve their lives and raise a family”;
<br><br>And Karl Rove, the Republican strategist who needs no introduction,argues in the Wall Street Journal that “the nonwhite share of the vote will keep growing” and that if “the G.O.P. leaves nonwhite voters to the Democrats, then its margins in safe congressional districts and red states will dwindle — not overnight, but over years and decades.”
<br>Trende provides the most detailed analysis. He is in fundamental disagreement with political thinkers who posit that demography is destiny, that the steady decline in the white share of the electorate, combined with the rising share made up of Hispanics and Asian-Americans, assures a secure Democratic majority in the foreseeable future. The demographic inevitability argument was most fully developed in the book “http://www.amazon.com/dp/0743254783/?tag=vp314-20http://www.amazon.com/dp/0743254783/?tag=vp314-20.
<br><br>Trende countered the Judis-Teixeira thesis in an email to the Times:
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You can’t establish long-lasting majority coalitions in America. Part of this is because parties adapt. You can already begin to see this starting with the G.O.P. on marriage equality, which will probably have a pro-gay marriage nominee at some point in the mid-2020s and might have a pro-civil unions nominee in 2016. The simple truth is that “coalitions of everyone” inevitably fall apart, quickly. You can see the reasons why in the immigration debate itself, where, even if we’re only being reluctantly honest, the interests of some core Democratic and Republican coalition groups are at loggerheads with one another (Hispanics vs. working class whites and blacks; upscale whites vs. downscale whites).
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<br>Trende explores different future scenarios for the Republican Party: these range from a “racial polarization” strategy at one extreme to an all-out effort by the Republican Party to win Hispanic and Asian support at the other.
<br>Trende takes each scenario and describes what Republicans would have to achieve, in terms of vote margins among major constituencies, to remain competitive in presidential contests.
<br>All of the strategies offered by Trende are purposefully “rosy scenarios” in which Republicans might win the overwhelming majority of presidential elections between 2016 and 2048. Trende explains:
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I don’t mean to leave the impression that the G.O.P. will win no matter what it does. Tweak some of these assumptions, and you get plenty of Democratic wins too. And it may not matter what the GOP chooses. The most dispiriting possibility is that racially diverse electorates may inherently add racial cleavages to otherwise “neutral” issues, and that polarization becomes inevitable. That’s certainly the experience of Northern cities during the great immigrant wave of the early 1900s, as well as of the American South. My point is simply that there are a slew of realistic scenarios where Republicans do very well in the future. In most of the scenarios I consider reasonable, the elections stay close enough that either party could win most any individual election for the foreseeable future.
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<br>Trende’s most controversial assertion is that from a purely tactical point of view, Republican dependence on whites is not necessarily a liability, despite the decline in the white share of the electorate:
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Democrats liked to mock the G.O.P. as the ‘Party of White People’ after the 2012 elections. But from a purely electoral perspective, that’s not a terrible thing to be.
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<br>The core of Trende’s case for his “racial polarization” scenario, as he makes it on RealClearPolitics, is his analysis showing a 6.1 million drop in the white vote from 2008 to 2012. Trende draws his data from the Census, exit polls and county-by-county election results.
<br>By Trende’s calculation, voters who failed to turn out in 2012 were disproportionately Republican-leaning, “largely downscale, Northern, rural whites.” If all 6.1 million had cast ballots in 2012, it would not have been enough for Romney to win, but the election would have been much closer.
<br><br>In Trende’s “ ‘racial polarization’ scenario,” the political divergence between white and minority America becomes steadily more extreme. Whites, who cast 59 percent of their votes for Romney in 2012, would become more Republican over the next few decades, casting a record-setting 70 percent of their votes for Republicans by 2036. Minorities, blacks, Hispanics and Asian Americans, who cast80 percent of their votes for Obama in 2012, would, in Trende’s “polarization” scenario, be casting 90 percent of their ballots for Democratic candidates by 2036.
<br>Trende put these and other assumptions on turnout rates into an interactive Electoral College calculator*developed by my colleague Nate Silver, and produced results (Figure 1) showing that Republicans could win the presidency for seven straight elections between 2016 and 2040.
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Trende has developed a second, more moderate scenario, illustrated in Figure 2, which assumes a “modest Republican outreach toward Hispanics” that produces some gains among Latinos and Asian Americans, but does so at the cost of slowing Republican advances among whites.
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Fig. 2 Credit Realclearpolitics.com
<br>In the third Trende scenario, the Republican Party goes “full Rubio,” embracing immigration reform and the nomination of more Latino candidates, possibly including Marco Rubio, the Florida Republican Senator of Cuban descent. In this scenario, Republicans “back immigration reform” and “nominate a Hispanic-friendly candidate.” This strategy, illustrated in Figure 3, produces victory after victory for the Republican Party even as it sacrifices “some progress with white voters.”
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Fig. 3 Credit realclearpolitics.com
<br>All of Trende’s scenarios are theoretically possible, but the question is: are they realistic? Addressing only the racial polarization projection, it’s hard to see 70 percent of the white vote going to Republicans. Richard Nixon in 1972 and Ronald Reagan in 1984, both incumbents running against very weak Democratic opponents,set records for white Republican support, 67 percent and 64 percent, respectively, and no Republican has broken 60 percent since then. In addition, the Democratic Party over the past 20 years has made substantial gains among the growing population of culturally liberal white “knowledge workers.” These gains have been key to realigning populous suburbs surrounding northern cities.
<br>Teixeira, responding to my request for comment on Trende’s hypothetical scenarios, wrote:
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Trende is hardly a knuckle-dragger but he is at great pains to establish that technically the G.O.P. does not need Latino votes, provided the black vote subsides a bit and, most importantly, they not only hold their share of the white vote, but expand. Of course this is technically possible (that is, if things go as Trende hypothesizes, it is certainly true that the Republicans can win without additional Latino votes) but is it a wise course of action?* I don’t think so. A lot of things have to go right for this technically possible strategy to work, and in their position I would not want to rely on all those things going right — and continuing to go right.
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<br>Carney advocates another alternative, a hybrid of the populism advocated by Huey Long and Teddy Roosevelt:
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Republicans need a new coalition and a new message. The heart of that coalition should be the working class. The message should be populism.
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<br>Carney expects that Republican efforts to build more substantial margins among well-educated affluent whites will fail:<blockquote>
Upscale white suburbs have steadily trended Democratic. Montgomery County, Maryland, was one of the first. Westchester, New York, and the North Shore of Chicago followed. Philadelphia’s white-collar counties and Northern Virginia soon joined the club. In 2008, Obama made huge gains in the suburbs, pulling in 60 percent in Fairfax County, for instance, and winning the vote of those voters earning over $100,000, according to exit polls.
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<br>Carney writes that in 2012, “Republicans couldn’t have picked a candidate better suited for highly educated, upper-middle-class suburban voters. Romney was successful, risk-averse, smart and non-ideological,” but his “suburban strategy fizzled.”
<br>These setbacks suggest that it “is time to give up on building majorities on a suburban foundation.” Instead, the Republican Party, in Carney’s view,
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needs to play to the disaffected. The disaffected are not the wealthy, an obvious point that conservatives can’t seem to understand. The wealthy got wealthier under Obama, and corporations earned record profits while median family earnings fell. Obama uses these facts to defuse the charges he’s a socialist. Republicans should use them to show that Obama’s big government expands the privileges of the privileged class.
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<br>Carney’s views are shared, at least in part, by a wing of conservatism that includes my colleague Ross Douthat, who, along with Reihan Salam, a contributing editor at National Review, in 2005 proposed a “downscale” or “Sam’s Club” Republican strategy in The Weekly Standard, an argument which they elaborated upon in a 2008 book*“[/color]: How Republicans Can Win the Working Class and Save the American Dream.”
<br><br>Carney’s proposal would require an upheaval of the Republican hierarchy. Currently, the party has substantial support from the white working class, but its agenda, particularly its economic agenda, is set by an elite with century-old ties to corporate America. At the policy-making level, the Republican Party has represented the interests of society’s winners, not its losers.
<br><br>This brings us to Rove, the most prominent of the three strategists under discussion. Rove planned to use the two-term presidency of George W. Bush to entrench a sustained Republican majority. Rove is an advocate of a version of Trende’s “full Rubio” strategy, as witnessed by Rove’s oversight of Bush’s success in winning over 40 percent of the Latino vote in 2004.
<br><br>In a Wall Street Journal op-ed on June 26, Rove stated his views about an optimal Republican approach, writing that “100,042,000 whites voted in 2008 but only 98,041,000 did in 2012.” To Rove, this raised a key question, “Wouldn’t it be better to get those two million whites back into the polling booth?” His answer: If these stay-at-home folks had gone to the polls, “Romney’s vote total would have increased by 1,180,590. But President Obama’s vote total would have increased by 780,390, and Mr. Romney still would have lost the election by 4.6 million votes.”
<br>Rove implicitly attacked Trende’s racial polarization scenario, contending that “it’s unreasonable to expect Republicans to routinely” replicate Reagan’s 64 percent white margin in 1984, much less win 70 percent of the white vote.
<br>Rove cited some dramatic statistics to argue that the Republican Party disregards Hispanics at its peril:
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The Hispanic population in Georgia’s Gwinnett County increased by 153% from 2000 to 2010, while the GOP’s presidential vote in the county dropped to 54% in 2012 from 63.7% in 2000. In Henry County, south of Atlanta, the Hispanic population increased by 339% over the same decade. The GOP’s presidential vote dropped to 51.2% in 2012 from 66.4% in 2000.
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<br>Rove’s solution is less a coherent strategy than a call to arms: “Republicans must now do two things: turn out more white voters and improve their performance among Hispanics, African-Americans and Asian-Americans.” In other words, the Republican Party must be all things to all men.
<br>In an email, Trende described his own strategic preferences to me as a moderate effort to reach out to Hispanics, combined with a degree of focus on low and middle income earners:
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To the extent I have suggestions, they were for more economic populism. These include a lot of changes Democrats would presumably enjoy; jettisoning the upscale, Club-for-Growth-style conservatism that characterized the Romney campaign for something authentically more geared toward downscale voters.
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<br>Right now, the Republican Party is caught in a vise: it is dependent on support from a diminishing but still powerful constituency of socially, culturally and morally conservative whites from across the economic spectrum, many of whom oppose gay rights and immigration reform. But the party must also deal with two ascendant constituencies: culturally tolerant — indeed, permissive — young and suburban voters of all races, along with Hispanic voters who place a priority on immigration reform that gives undocumented aliens a path to citizenship.
<br>Just to complicate matters, these strategic choices for Republicans are very different for candidates for president and for the House. Some Republicans aiming at the presidency will decide it is essential to woo Hispanics in order to win a national election, while many Republicans aiming at the House will view support for immigration reform as a guarantee of defeat in a primary.
<br>These dilemmas are characteristic of a party undergoing a seismic transformation. The Republican Party will likely replicate the experience of the Democratic Party in the 1970s and 1980s, changing only after repeated rejection of the party’s presidential nominees. There is too much at stake for key players in the Republican coalition to allow the party to fail to adapt. The question is, how long will it have to suffer the humiliation of defeat before it begins the process in earnest?

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THEY DON'T GIVE A DAMN ABOUT BLACK VOTERS

 

[thoughtone]

Bro, I just don't know why one should give 2 cents about party, democrat or republican.

Just as there are now ideologically safe republican districts which have the effect of skewing the legislative process, there are democrats (unfortunately, many of them black) that are as much to blame for that phenomenon as are some of the republicans themselves. A "smart" democratic party might have dealt with redistricting in a more foresightful manner, had its attention really been focused on whats best, as a party, for its constituents as a whole, rather than bending to the desires of some democrats who themselves wanted to enjoy the luxury of safe districts.

I could be wrong, but the results of that lack of "party focus" has contributed to some of the voter suppression efforts that we've seen across the country, and we see more acutely how thats working out for us since the high court struck the low blow against the rights of minorities when it gutted the Voting Rights Act.

There you go again with that both parties are equally intransigent. Please tell me which congressional districts have been gerrymandered by Democrats. If you are refering to Florida's 5th district, that was done by republicans and Corrine Brown was more than happy to have it.

In 2008, California took there districting out of the politicians hands and put it in an independent citizens board.

I am not wedded to the Democrats. I don't have a permanent party, I have permanent interests. But I see nothing in today's republican party that would advance the plight of black folk.

 

[QueEx]

There you go again with that both parties are equally intransigent. Please tell me which congressional districts have been gerrymandered by Democrats. If you are refering to Florida's 5th district, that was done by republicans and Corrine Brown was more than happy to have it.

In 2008, California took there districting out of the politicians hands and put it in an independent citizens board.

I am not wedded to the Democrats. I don't have a permanent party, I have permanent interests. But I see nothing in today's republican party that would advance the plight of black folk.

C'mon Bruh, if I mention democrats you get feelings. You may not be wedded to the Democrats but based on your unprovoked reactions, you're shacking-up.

 

[thoughtone]

C'mon Bruh, if I mention democrats you get feelings. You may not be wedded to the Democrats but based on your unprovoked reactions, you're shacking-up.

Not ashamed that I support the Dems more than the repugs. You should be ashamed by being an apologist for the GOP under the guise of centrism.

 

[QueEx]

Not ashamed that I support the Dems more than the repugs. You should be ashamed by being an apologist for the GOP under the guise of centrism.

I don't think I was apologizing for anything republican and I didn't say or imply that you ought to be ashamed of the democratic party. Those were your words, not mine. Your approach, however, is in many ways reminiscent of actinanass: Party First, Our Guys vs. Your Guys, Our Guys are Right Your Guys are Wrong, no matter the circumstance except, he's republican and you're democrat. The way I see it, parties are comprised of individuals -- and it is the thoughts and actions of those individuals that ought to be the measure by which they are judged. How those individuals think and act collectively tend, more or less, to define their group or party; hence, the position or positions of a party might be applauded or rejected while individually some of its members might be commended or decried, in given situations.

 

[thoughtone]

I don't think I was apologizing for anything republican and I didn't say or imply that you ought to be ashamed of the democratic party. Those were your words, not mine. Your approach, however, is in many ways reminiscent of actinanass: Party First, Our Guys vs. Your Guys, Our Guys are Right Your Guys are Wrong, no matter the circumstance except, he's republican and you're democrat. The way I see it, parties are comprised of individuals -- and it is the thoughts and actions of those individuals that ought to be the measure by which they are judged. How those individuals think and act collectively tend, more or less, to define their group or party; hence, the position or positions of a party might be applauded or rejected while individually some of its members might be commended or decried, in given situations.

Parties have official platforms. Read the Texass GOP platform http://www.texasgop.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/2014-Platform-Final.pdf. Like I said, I'm not wedded to the Dems, but the GOP offers me nothing.

 

[QueEx]

Okay.

 

[thoughtone]