Stacey Dash Vs. Eric Holder on School Vouchers

[Brnpit]

She really is ClueLess

http://nation.foxnews.com/2013/09/27/stacey-dash-vs-eric-holder-school-vouchers

SEAN HANNITY: Now school vouchers have become a hot button issues among school choice advocates lately. Now they were originally designed to give low income students a better chance to succeed. Now, passed in 2012, the Louisiana Scholarship Program allows some of the state's poorest kids to transfer from public to private schools using taxpayer dollars, but last month the state was sued by Eric Holder and the Obama justice department to stop schools that are under desegregation orders from handing out these vouchers, claiming the scholarships, whose recipients are almost all minorities, that it could re-segregate the schools. Joining me now with reaction is actress Stacey Dash who was once stuck in a failing, horrible, dangerous public school herself - passionate about the issue. How are you? Stacey, good to see you.

STACEY DASH, ACTRESS: Very good to see you. Thank you for having me.

HANNITY: You know, I felt horrible when during the last campaign and you Tweeted out your support for Romney rather - you really took a huge backlash for that. Has there been any other fallout after that?

DASH: Not really, I mean, if anything it's caused discussion which is always good. And thank God I don't scare easily, you know.

HANNITY: Good for you.

DASH: I'm going to stand for what I believe in.

HANNITY: Yes.

DASH: Which is why I'm standing with Governor Jindal and Jeb Bush because case - this is just asinine. I can't believe that the Attorney General would do something like this.

HANNITY: Let me ask you this -

DASH: Deny a child's education -

HANNITY: Uh huh -

HANNITY: Explain your situation.

(TALKING OVER ONE ANOTHER)

HANNITY: OK, go ahead, I'm sorry.

DASH: I'm saying deny a child education because of the color of their skin. That's absurd. You know, the natural evolution of a well-educated populous is integration. And this is not political, it's not theoretical, it's not even partisan. It's personal. You know, I was one of those children. I went to a failing school, and by the grace of God, my mother was able to put me into private school, and had she not, I would probably be in a gang or dead right now, because that was the road I was going down. So what they're doing is immoral.

HANNITY: So you moved to Los Angeles - your school was - you didn't even - you didn't get an education. But beyond that, it was dangerous. Tell us, what did you experience there?

DASH: Well, it was dangerous. It was a time when the forced bussing was happening, and you know, I was living in an all-white area and the kids were being bussed in for a better education, and it was hostile. It was very hostile. And you know I `m from the south Bronx - I'm a bit scrappy - and you know in order for me to survive I had to fight. And --

HANNITY: What -- why do you think there's this resistance when things are so bad and then here's an idea that we know works. There was an all- girls public school in Harlem that was doing great. The kids loved it, parents loved it, they wore uniforms, then the New York Civil Liberties Union I believe - I think it was them - they sued to stop it. These things work. Why is there resistance to these better options?

DASH: I think that this just proves that this administration is so out of touch with the very people they say they want to help. And it's a disgrace. I can't even answer that question for you. I can't do the math. It doesn't add up.

HANNITY: Yes. It's kind of sad. And those kids are going to be - they're going to be - if they don't get an education, they're left behind.

DASH: Yes, they are left behind. And that's what I talk about in my book that I'm writing, "Not Black Enough". Because that is a criticism I've received my whole life, and I don't know what it means. And it's about - it's an autobiography and it's how my life applies to policies and politics of today. Because it's just you know - education is the most important thing for a child.

HANNITY: Well, I'm a big fan. I admire your speaking out and hope you'll come back again when the book comes out. Thank you.

DASH: I would love to. Thank you.

 

[bromack1]

So .... do you have a problem with kids getting vouchers to go to a school of there choice????

 

[twiggy]

I have a big problem with this.
it is public money that funds the public schools.
and accountability has to be made.
those schools were not being held to the same criteria as the public schools and some were worse than the schools that they came from.
I know this as fact

 

[good_ole_boy]

So .... do you have a problem with kids getting vouchers to go to a school of there choice????

Yes. Yes I do.

You don't?

 

[woodchuck]

Yes. Yes I do.

You don't?

Why? Interesting username, btw. I notice that when threads deal with a subject that's near and dear to the right are posted, more "lurkers" post.

 

[durham]

The idea of vouchers if great, for those with mobility. Private schools are not beholden to accept every kid, they can selectively choose.

Therefore the kid with some issue, family, personal, economic, academic won't have the chance to improve. They will be stuck in a school with less federal funding than they started with, since the federal money per child is now taken from the children that have left the public school.

Even charter schools have selective acceptance masked under a so called lottery system.

Vouchers would be great if the feral government made acceptance to the best schools open enrollment just like public schools.

Pay teachers more to teach in poor areas, and teach kids confidence and power relative to their background.

 

[Ninja05]

I have a big problem with this.
it is public money that funds the public schools.
and accountability has to be made.
those schools were not being held to the same criteria as the public schools and some were worse than the schools that they came from.
I know this as fact

Gonna agree with u bruh. Forget the equality argument, forget all the children left behind who don't get the vouchers, etc..

This is nothing more than a transfer of public funds for private activity. It's not like they are going to grow the pot for more school funding to compensate - private schools will simply poach the "good" or smart kids and the underlying problem will persist. Meanwhile public preschools is a great option to begin addressing the real issue.

 

[woodchuck]

The idea of vouchers if great, for those with mobility. Private schools are not beholden to accept every kid, they can selectively choose.

Therefore the kid with some issue, family, personal, economic, academic won't have the chance to improve. They will be stuck in a school with less federal funding than they started with, since the federal money per child is now taken from the children that have left the public school.

Even charter schools have selective acceptance masked under a so called lottery system.

Vouchers would be great if the feral government made acceptance to the best schools open enrollment just like public schools.

Pay teachers more to teach in poor areas, and teach kids confidence and power relative to their background.

While I think this is important, without parent involvement, it'll be a waste.

 

[good_ole_boy]

Why? Interesting username, btw. I notice that when threads deal with a subject that's near and dear to the right are posted, more "lurkers" post.

My username isn't THAT interesting (no more interesting than Woodchuck) and my position on this issue would be the opposite of what "the right" supports.

Regarding my lurker status, I only post when I have something to say or am particularly curious on an individual's stated position. Too many ignorant posts and comments to maintain a post count (unless there is some kind of compensation associated with a high post count).

I don't trust the strategy, the philosophy or implementation IN GENERAL of how voucher programs have been historically administered in this country.

 

[sharkbait28]

Diane Ravitch, author of "Reign of Error" (who was once was leading advocate of the charter/voucher movement) now argues strongly against it.

Check out her latest interview on npr.... then read her book and find her lectures on youtube.

I understand the appeal of charters and school "choice" but as is often the case with market solutions to complex social issues it simply offers a panacea that deepens the scope of the crisis (in this case, worsening access to quality education for all children regardless of socio-economic status).

 

[bromack1]

Yes. Yes I do.

You don't?

Well, i had the experience of going to both private and public schools. Did catholic school and public high school. The order and discipline of the school settings was like night and day.

In comparison, the public schools I both went to and saw were like the wild wild west.

If a school can't maintain some order of semblance and discipline, then how is a kid supposed to learn anything.

Looking back, I'm glad I had those years in catholic school. Because I can say for a fact, I learned very little in high school... it was more about extra-curricular activities, dating and sluffing your way through class...

Heres some interesting points regarding the catholice school i attended..

1. the school was "all" black.
2. the majority of those students did go on to attend college.
3. many of the students parents were teachers in public school (they knew how bad it was so they opted out of it.)

So, I've concluded... instead of the government making these decisions, lets have a neighborhood vote on where kids will attend school. I'd be more than willing to bet the vote would go in favor of alternative schools against the mandated school you "must" attend.

 

[bromack1]

Pay teachers more to teach in poor areas, and teach kids confidence and power relative to their background.

They're doing that now in the Atlanta Public School systems...Currently the school systems accreditation is on probabation and there are now criminal trials taking place against some teachers who were fixing grades on standardized tests...

So, now you have higher paid teachers producing the same results..

 

[bromack1]

Diane Ravitch, author of "Reign of Error" (who was once was leading advocate of the charter/voucher movement) now argues strongly against it.

Check out her latest interview on npr.... then read her book and find her lectures on youtube.

I understand the appeal of charters and school "choice" but as is often the case with market solutions to complex social issues it simply offers a panacea that deepens the scope of the crisis (in this case, worsening access to quality education for all children regardless of socio-economic status).

I read the article you posted on Ms Ravitch. I always try to appreciate another point of view on complex issues such as this.

BTW, do you know about Marva Collins and her Chicago Preporatory school or Geoffrey Canada of the Harlem Childrens Zone?

These were both schools that were created by black educators.

 

[durham]

They're doing that now in the Atlanta Public School systems...Currently the school systems accreditation is on probabation and there are now criminal trials taking place against some teachers who were fixing grades on standardized tests...

So, now you have higher paid teachers producing the same results..

you are equating two different problems. school funding, salary and admissions with test doctoring
1) those test in atlanta were never written with the best interest of that population in mind. Anyone in education will tell you that.
2) do you really think the same testing abnormalities do not exist in white areas in this country?


I went to predominatly white schools as a youth, and I saw all kinds of extra tutoring, addtional time allotments, drugs, retesting, pre tests with the answers for certain kids who supposedly needed the extra help, etc for kids of means

it may have been worng for the administrators to falsify the test, but until you fix the bigger issue of overall prep, a standardized test not written for your population is a setup for failure. the schools in America must have full equal funding across the board, and the teacher quality must be equal as possible across the board, and that will require additional salary

and yes as a country really need to consider parental training, and adult Re-education for the lost generations of the last 20 years or so. from birth to graduation education for parents and children should be mandatory. WTF do we have all these damn taxes if we can't educate our population across all states, equally

 

[bromack1]

you are equating two different problems. school funding, salary and admissions with test doctoring
1) those test in atlanta were never written with the best interest of that population in mind. Anyone in education will tell you that.
2) do you really think the same testing abnormalities do not exist in white areas in this country?


I went to predominatly white schools as a youth, and I saw all kinds of extra tutoring, addtional time allotments, drugs, retesting, pre tests with the answers for certain kids who supposedly needed the extra help, etc for kids of means

it may have been worng for the administrators to falsify the test, but until you fix the bigger issue of overall prep, a standardized test not written for your population is a setup for failure. the schools in America must have full equal funding across the board, and the teacher quality must be equal as possible across the board, and that will require additional salary

and yes as a country really need to consider parental training, and adult Re-education for the lost generations of the last 20 years or so. from birth to graduation education for parents and children should be mandatory. WTF do we have all these damn taxes if we can't educate our population across all states, equally

My point was and still is, more "funding" doesn't guarantee better results...

What puzzles me is when you say that certain tests aren't designed for certain populations.... that sounds entirely contradictory when in the face of, professional tests for occupations like teacher certification, mechanic etc...these tests aren't based on race...there based on job knowledge.

I agree with you on more "test" prep... so long as parents make it a point to sit down with there kids and work with them on there studies....the truth is most don't.

As a kid, I once used a tutor...My parents "paid" for it themselves....

 

[Black Radical]

I have a big problem with this.
it is public money that funds the public schools.
and accountability has to be made.
those schools were not being held to the same criteria as the public schools and some were worse than the schools that they came from.
I know this as fact

Charter schools are nothing more than a way to have private people access public funds and have zero accountablility for the results. All of the charter schools in NY are in black and latino neighborhoods. That fact alone should speak volumes.

 

[bromack1]

Charter schools are nothing more than a way to have private people access public funds and have zero accountablility for the results. All of the charter schools in NY are in black and latino neighborhoods. That fact alone should speak volumes.

Are you familiar with Geoffry Canada and his Harelem Childrens Zone School. They were once featured on 60 minutes for there success with black children. And by the way, he's black and the children are black

 

[black-n-tan]

Okay, I am going to run my mouth about something I only have a few facts about. In Philly, there are a lot of charter schools popping up. These schools take money from the public school budget and are privately run. As the money leaves the public schools there is not enough money left to support the public school system so they are cutting teachers, staff and vital services to survive, so we are seeing music and athletic programs ending. All kids used to have a right to public education but now it is being displaced by private organizations. I say fix the existing system instead of turning it over to random profiteers and perverts.

 

[peterlongshort]

I object to any posting about this bitch that does not include nekkid pics!!!!

 

[black-n-tan]

Are you familiar with Geoffry Canada and his Harelem Childrens Zone School. They were once featured on 60 minutes for there success with black children. And by the way, he's black and the children are black

We have a shitload of these schools in Philly. I am glad one is successful but one point don't make a trend.

 

[Black Radical]

Are you familiar with Geoffry Canada and his Harelem Childrens Zone School. They were once featured on 60 minutes for there success with black children. And by the way, he's black and the children are black

Just saw this. Geoff Canada is a Guy with a lot of connects to Wall Street and corporate America. He has a lot of programs in Harlem and there is some good work being done, that 60 minutes piece would have you think he's solved problems in Harlem. He hasn't. And worst of all, his programs can't be replicated easily becAuse he has so much corporate money. He's poverty pimping on a high level and there is meaningful work being done but it doesn't change the fundamental role of charter schools which is:
1. Destroy the teachers union.
2. Put NYCs 9 billion dollar budget into private hands.

 

[bromack1]

Just saw this. Geoff Canada is a Guy with a lot of connects to Wall Street and corporate America. He has a lot of programs in Harlem and there is some good work being done, that 60 minutes piece would have you think he's solved problems in Harlem. He hasn't. And worst of all, his programs can't be replicated easily becAuse he has so much corporate money. He's poverty pimping on a high level and there is meaningful work being done but it doesn't change the fundamental role of charter schools which is:
1. Destroy the teachers union.
2. Put NYCs 9 billion dollar budget into private hands.

Uh... we're talking about our "cedes".... our "own" kids we produced...and if you're a "real" man, then I don't need to explain to you what that means.

When I attended "private" school... Their were a lot of kids there who's parents (two parent homes) were public school teachers...how in the "hell" do you explain that.....

One thing I've learned since I've become an parent and an adult is this.... we as parents have both a "private self" and "public persona" (dual conscience).

So.. are you a parent? Do you have kids you're trying to prepare to have a life better than your own? Do you care about there future and what type of people they become?... at the end of the day, its more a reflection of "you" as a parent .. not society as a whole.

We may say what everyone wants to hear (as a result of political correctness) but suddenly, when we got "skin in the game," that is our own kids,then we try to make decisions for what we know feel is best for our kids...

So, instead of me coming across as some kind of "hypocrite" which is the kind of stuff political correctness promotes, I'm just sayin, "f" the bullshit talk... lets just open it up so there can be more school choice...end the "public school monopoly."

in the long run, black kids will make more gains through school choice, than having no alternative but being "forced" to attend neighborhood schools (modern day slavery, keep em average which means embrading popular culture and keeping dumb and ignorant so they will fit in).

If you don't understand anything I'm saying, thats the result of your "own" ignorance... not mine, but yours.

But you better know one thing, there are many "middle class" blacks that are switching there kids to private schools because they know thatthe key to the future for black folk is schooling... a good education.

Not some bullshit public schooling being sponsored by organizations like the NEA or some "high paid" $200,000 year black person here in Atlanta who wants to keep their job.

If you think I'm lyin, then start askin public school teachers where the good schools are... just ask em... but you probably won't cause you've been brainwashed into believin that given public schools more money is gonna fix em... well it hasn't...

if more money for public schools was the answer, then why hasn't it worked... that has been the proposed solution for over 30 years now....look at the results... no change... just more bullshit results and over paid teachers.

If you come from a home with a "single" parent mother, then I "feel" what you are saying, but in a two parent home, "real" men know and understand, they are responsible for what happens to their kids... and that means doing everything possible to provide your children with a "good" education.

 

[Black Radical]

Uh... we're talking about our "cedes".... our "own" kids we produced...and if you're a "real" man, then I don't need to explain to you what that means.

When I attended "private" school... Their were a lot of kids there who's parents (two parent homes) were public school teachers...how in the "hell" do you explain that.....

One thing I've learned since I've become an parent and an adult is this.... we as parents have both a "private self" and "public persona" (dual conscience).

So.. are you a parent? Do you have kids you're trying to prepare to have a life better than your own? Do you care about there future and what type of people they become?... at the end of the day, its more a reflection of "you" as a parent .. not society as a whole.

We may say what everyone wants to hear (as a result of political correctness) but suddenly, when we got "skin in the game," that is our own kids,then we try to make decisions for what we know feel is best for our kids...

So, instead of me coming across as some kind of "hypocrite" which is the kind of stuff political correctness promotes, I'm just sayin, "f" the bullshit talk... lets just open it up so there can be more school choice...end the "public school monopoly."

in the long run, black kids will make more gains through school choice, than having no alternative but being "forced" to attend neighborhood schools (modern day slavery, keep em average which means embrading popular culture and keeping dumb and ignorant so they will fit in).

If you don't understand anything I'm saying, thats the result of your "own" ignorance... not mine, but yours.

But you better know one thing, there are many "middle class" blacks that are switching there kids to private schools because they know thatthe key to the future for black folk is schooling... a good education.

Not some bullshit public schooling being sponsored by organizations like the NEA or some "high paid" $200,000 year black person here in Atlanta who wants to keep their job.

If you think I'm lyin, then start askin public school teachers where the good schools are... just ask em... but you probably won't cause you've been brainwashed into believin that given public schools more money is gonna fix em... well it hasn't...

if more money for public schools was the answer, then why hasn't it worked... that has been the proposed solution for over 30 years now....look at the results... no change... just more bullshit results and over paid teachers.

If you come from a home with a "single" parent mother, then I "feel" what you are saying, but in a two parent home, "real" men know and understand, they are responsible for what happens to their kids... and that means doing everything possible to provide your children with a "good" education.

I have both of my parents, my kids have me and my wife, who are both educated. I went exclusively to private schools as a kid. Charter schools aren't anywhere near the level of private schools. My children are both in public schools.

U don't get it. This isn't about some fake "choice" this is about people who run hedge funds using your kids like commodities on a market for profit. Nothing more, nothing less. Yes, occasionally a charter school is able to do some good for the kids that is better than the local public school, and if thats the case by all means put your kid in the school. BUT, understand this always comes at the expense of kids that are in regular schools.

Charter schools are given space in public schools. Where does that space come from? It comes from the public school's library, or science room, or maybe just 2 floors of the school are just given to a charter and the public school has to deal with it. Those kids in that newly cramped public school are our kids too. Its not about me and my kids, its about whats best for all of the kids who attend public schools.

Charters schools pick the kids with the highest scores, don't accept ESL or special ed students, push out kids who underperform and then say look our scores are better! Some reforms were made but its still basically the same game.

Charter Teachers work like 9-10 days plus weekends, don't need to have the same level of education or certs as public school teachers, and due to the heavy work load and no UNION there is an extremely high turnover rate as teachers are constantly burning out or being fired.

I could go on and on. I'm probably the most thoroughly educated person on charter schools that you will come across. I have done lots of activism and research on this, met with Juan Gonzalez and Dianne Ravitch on this. Been at senate hearings on this. If you don't know those names you really aren't qualified to have a discussion on this.

If charter schools are so good why are all of these rich white people opening them exclusively in the ghettos of New York?

Did hedge fund managers suddenly start giving a fuck about our children for some reason?

If charter schools are so good why don't white people have them? They have the best of everything else in this society how did a bunch of poor uneducated black and latino people end up hitting the lotto with charter schools?

Answer those questions for me.

 

[Politic Negro]