Southwest airlines meltdown continues, blaming outdated scheduling software..... now offering flights in January ... they own 70% of ALL cancellations

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Southwest Airlines continues canceling flights as New Year holiday approaches
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Travelers wait at a Southwest Airlines baggage counter to retrieve their bags after canceled flights at Los Angeles International Airport, Monday, December 26, 2022, in Los Angeles.

(CNN) —
Air travelers in the US hoping for clear skies on Tuesday following a disastrous week of weather-related flight cancellations and delays will have to extend their patience a few more days -- particularly if they're flying with Southwest Airlines.
More than 2,892 flights within, into or out of the US have already been canceled for Tuesday as of 9 a.m. ET, according to flight tracking website FlightAware.

Of those canceled flights, 2,522 are operated by Southwest.
Airports most affected by the Tuesday cancellations are Denver International, followed by Chicago Midway International, Baltimore/Washington International, Harry Reid International Airport in Las Vegas, Dallas Love Field and Nashville International.
Tuesday's cancellations follow a full day of post-Christmas travel chaos, with 3,989 flights canceled on Monday -- 2,909 of those being Southwest flights. And Southwest's Christmas struggles come amid a year of troubles for the airline industry. Over the summer, nearly a quarter of US flights were delayed and thousands were canceled.
Southwest warns that this week's cancellations and delays are expected to continue for several more days, with representatives saying the Dallas-based airline is planning to dial back its flight schedule in order to get operations on track.

Southwest Airlines CEO Bob Jordan told the Wall Street Journal the company plans to operate just over a third of its schedule in upcoming days to give itself the ability for crews to get into the right positions.

According to WSJ.com, Jordan added that reduced schedule could be extended.
"We had a tough day today. In all likelihood we'll have another tough day tomorrow as we work our way out of this," Jordan said in an interview Monday evening with WSJ.com.
"This is the largest scale event that I've ever seen."
Southwest was hit particularly hard due to a cascade of issues. The storm hit two of its biggest hubs, Chicago and Denver at a time when Covid and other winter ailments were stretching staff rosters. Southwest's aggressive schedule and underinvestment have also been blamed.
The winter storm that swept across the US was ill-timed for travelers who had started pushing Christmas week flying numbers back toward pre-pandemic levels.
On Christmas Day, 3,178 flights were canceled and 6,870 were delayed, according to FlightAware.
On Christmas Eve, there were a total of 3,487 flights canceled, according to FlightAware.
Friday was the worst day of this streak with 5,934 cancellations, while Thursday saw almost 2,700 cancellations.



What can stranded passengers do?

At the Southwest ticket counter at Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport on Tuesday morning, long lines were already building up as travelers waited to try to rebook flights or make connections.
And at Chicago's Midway International, huge buildups of unclaimed bags piled up as passengers struggled to reclaim their luggage.
Passenger Trisha Jones told CNN at the airport in Atlanta that she and her partner had been traveling for five days, trying to get home to Wichita, Kansas after disembarking from a cruise at Fort Lauderdale, Florida.
After her flight out was canceled, she stayed with relatives then rerouted to Atlanta to pick up a connecting flight.
"We were fortunate, because we were in Fort Lauderdale -- my family lives in the Tampa bay area so we were able to rent a car to go see my family for Christmas," Jones said. "We've seen a lot of families who are sleeping on the floor, and it just breaks my heart."

Calls made Monday afternoon by CNN to Southwest's customer service did not go through, so customers couldn't even get in the queue to speak to a representative. Southwest told CNN it is "fully staffed to answer calls."


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Southwest Airlines continues canceling flights as New Year holiday approaches | CNN Travel
 

CNN is reporting that Southwest is responsible for 70% of all cancelations.... they made an announcement at the Pheonix airport for all their stranded passengers to go home, with no flights being offered for four fucking days






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People act like Xmas eve travel woes are new. People are simply morons. If you didn’t or can’t leave on 12/22 or 12/23 expect some shit to happen. It’s not fucking rocket science.
:hithead: I need to be somewhere NYE. My flight leaves 12/29. That gives me time to drive if flights can’t go. Miss me with the airport tears.
 
Shit is wild…if it is in reasonable distance I would just rent a car and drive, but that probably wouldn’t work for people who are traveling across the country.

Bad look for Southwest…even the gutta airlines like Frontier and Spirit aren’t having these types of issues right now, this shit looks unprecedented at a time when there are typically a lot of holiday travel issues anyway.
 
I'm in northern VA now. Flight from DC to ATL currently delayed by like 2 hours. Fortunately I found out before leaving for the airport
 
People act like Xmas eve travel woes are new. People are simply morons. If you didn’t or can’t leave on 12/22 or 12/23 expect some shit to happen. It’s not fucking rocket science.
:hithead: I need to be somewhere NYE. My flight leaves 12/29. That gives me time to drive if flights can’t go. Miss me with the airport tears.
I've traveled plenty during the holidays. The magnitude/level on which this is occuring ain't a common occurrence.
 
Shit is wild…if it is in reasonable distance I would just rent a car and drive, but that probably wouldn’t work for people who are traveling across the country.

Bad look for Southwest…even the gutta airlines like Frontier and Spirit aren’t having these types of issues right now, this shit looks unprecedented at a time when there are typically a lot of holiday travel issues anyway.
They were saying that rental cars are through the roof...... there were four passengers that didn't know each other, met at the terminal, that rented a cargo van and drove 20 hours to their destination


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I've traveled plenty during the holidays. The magnitude/level on which this is occuring ain't a common occurrence.
I travel for work, during the holidays, and there’s a snow storm that fucks up flights on Xmas eve, day and the day after almost every year, somewhere. So it is a common occurrence, just not 100 feet of snow. People try to get someone on the eve or day of should expect something to happen and be blessed when it doesn’t.
 
Must be a California thing because when flying in state most people fly southwest or from California to Vegas. Short 1 hour trips are always southwest here. Delta doesn’t fly anywhere but to Atlanta.
 
I travel for work, during the holidays, and there’s a snow storm that fucks up flights on Xmas eve, day and the day after almost every year, somewhere. So it is a common occurrence, just not 100 feet of snow. People try to get someone on the eve or day of should expect something to happen and be blessed when it doesn’t.
The issue is largely Southwest related. Other airlines arent being affected as much by the weather.
 
People act like Xmas eve travel woes are new. People are simply morons. If you didn’t or can’t leave on 12/22 or 12/23 expect some shit to happen. It’s not fucking rocket science.
:hithead: I need to be somewhere NYE. My flight leaves 12/29. That gives me time to drive if flights can’t go. Miss me with the airport tears.

Travel problems at Christmas, or a blizzard aren't new yes, but problems caused because your traffic/scheduling software literally can't keep up is new.

A lot of the info comes from a reddit post but sounds similar to what happened during their last meltdown. The core software for their business was designed in the early 90s for a airline that was 1/3 of the size that it is now. If an event happens that forces a major change in scheduling like what happened this weekend it begins to lose track of where every plane and crewmember is supposed to be.

That sounds very plausible to me, because if it's that old, it's probably written with some hard limits that were necessary at the time that would have been next to impossible to meet with a 224-plane fleet, but is very plausible with a 779-plane fleet today, especially if lets say 60% of it had to be adjusted in a short period of time.
 


I normally fly Southwest because they offer non stop flights to where I usually go. A quick 90 minute non stop vs 2.5 hrs and one stop with Delta made it an easy choice. I'll be moving back to Delta after this shit. If they had a better system, people wouldn't be getting overworked and calling out sick. I had to extend my rental car so that I could make it back to my place. 8 hours of driving. Upgrading their shitty/outdated software will take some time.
 
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Wow

“From a travel group:

My friend’s husband is a pilot with Southwest. He just posted this an hour ago. I’m not including his name or the photos he shared of packed SWA employee rooms at the airports over the past couple of days (in case his post comes back to bite him with the company—even though he’s stating facts.) He also posted a screenshot of a fellow pilot on hold with SWA Scheduling for over 22 hours. Anyway, here’s some insight for those wondering if this massive round of SWA cancellations is really all due to weather and staffing issues:

“I don’t know what to say. Southwest Airlines has imploded. Their antiquated software system has completely fried. Planes are parked. Crews are stranded in the airports with the passengers, volunteering to take the passengers in the parked planes but the software won’t accept it. Phone lines are overwhelmed for both passenger and crews. I personally spent over two hours trying to get ahold of anyone in the company last night after midnight. A Captain and I did manage to get the one flight put together on Christmas night and got people home. Kudos to the ops agent and dispatcher for making it happen. We had to manually input a lot of the data and it took over an hour to coordinate with dispatch going back and forth running numbers.

We spent hours trying to get the company to answer and get us a hotel when we landed as they’re all sold out. We were only put in a call que for hours before hanging up. I found one hotel with 4 rooms and we bought our own rooms at 2:30am. I even paid for a Flight Attendants room. We literally have crews sleeping on the airport floors all over the country with nowhere to go. Crews have been calling to fly anyone, anywhere, but the company says the system needs a reset. They have effectively shut down the operations for the rest of year, running 1/3 of the flights so that they can let the computer find and locate the crews and aircraft. Gate agents are in tears. They’ve been yelled at, cussed at, slapped and spit on. Flight attendants have been taking a beating. The frontline employees have had little support or communication. Terminals are standing room only with people having been there for days. Pilot lounges are packed with pilots ready to fly and nowhere to go.

Embarrassing is an understatement. I’m going on my second of three days off, still stuck on the east coast and still expected to show up in the morning with no schedule. And I’m willing to fly all day if needed. Because that’s nothing compared to the passengers needing meds in bags that are lost and mothers traveling with kids, having been stuck for the same amount of days in the terminal. In 24 years, I’ve never seen anything like this. Heads need to roll! Rumors on media are floating that there is a lack of crews and pilots are staging sick calls. Absolutely not true at all. This is a computer system meltdown. Thousands of crew members are sitting in hotels and airports with nowhere to go. This airline has failed miserably.”
 
This is why I only travel with Delta and Virgin Atlantic. I don’t even know how to book tickets for other airlines.

I am 100% Delta and then AA as my backup as there are certain international routes that One World is better with than Sky Team. Legacy carriers have issues too but you will be taken care of especially if you have status. Wife and I just came back from a trip on AA/Iberia that was an early Christmas gift AKA a way for me to keep status for next year :lol: . Slight issue on the return but we were able to rebook in the Admirals Club and not have to call or wait in line. This shit is inexcusable from SW just like it was for AA a while back. They received billions in government $$$ to ensure that this exact thing would not happen but I am sure they did stock buybacks with it just like AA did.:smh:
 
I would've bought a few shorts in SWA if i was thinking clearer and not focused on seeing family for Christmas. The fallout from this is going to get ugly as it should.
 
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Wow

“From a travel group:

My friend’s husband is a pilot with Southwest. He just posted this an hour ago. I’m not including his name or the photos he shared of packed SWA employee rooms at the airports over the past couple of days (in case his post comes back to bite him with the company—even though he’s stating facts.) He also posted a screenshot of a fellow pilot on hold with SWA Scheduling for over 22 hours. Anyway, here’s some insight for those wondering if this massive round of SWA cancellations is really all due to weather and staffing issues:

“I don’t know what to say. Southwest Airlines has imploded. Their antiquated software system has completely fried. Planes are parked. Crews are stranded in the airports with the passengers, volunteering to take the passengers in the parked planes but the software won’t accept it. Phone lines are overwhelmed for both passenger and crews. I personally spent over two hours trying to get ahold of anyone in the company last night after midnight. A Captain and I did manage to get the one flight put together on Christmas night and got people home. Kudos to the ops agent and dispatcher for making it happen. We had to manually input a lot of the data and it took over an hour to coordinate with dispatch going back and forth running numbers.

We spent hours trying to get the company to answer and get us a hotel when we landed as they’re all sold out. We were only put in a call que for hours before hanging up. I found one hotel with 4 rooms and we bought our own rooms at 2:30am. I even paid for a Flight Attendants room. We literally have crews sleeping on the airport floors all over the country with nowhere to go. Crews have been calling to fly anyone, anywhere, but the company says the system needs a reset. They have effectively shut down the operations for the rest of year, running 1/3 of the flights so that they can let the computer find and locate the crews and aircraft. Gate agents are in tears. They’ve been yelled at, cussed at, slapped and spit on. Flight attendants have been taking a beating. The frontline employees have had little support or communication. Terminals are standing room only with people having been there for days. Pilot lounges are packed with pilots ready to fly and nowhere to go.

Embarrassing is an understatement. I’m going on my second of three days off, still stuck on the east coast and still expected to show up in the morning with no schedule. And I’m willing to fly all day if needed. Because that’s nothing compared to the passengers needing meds in bags that are lost and mothers traveling with kids, having been stuck for the same amount of days in the terminal. In 24 years, I’ve never seen anything like this. Heads need to roll! Rumors on media are floating that there is a lack of crews and pilots are staging sick calls. Absolutely not true at all. This is a computer system meltdown. Thousands of crew members are sitting in hotels and airports with nowhere to go. This airline has failed miserably.”


That's what I heard also, the weather was the initial issue but ultimately it's their old antiquated software that's the bigger issue.
 
This shit had nothing to do with software.
I heard from someone I know that works at Southwest that a lot of the pilots and crew were tired of having to work every Thanksgiving and Christmas and wanted off.
Since they weren't granted the day off.....wasn't nothing to stop a couple hundred pilots and staff from calling in sick.
The ripple effect became a tidal wave. So in essence it became sort of a silent strike to get what they wanted......Christmas home with their families.
Southwest tried to save face and blame it on software.
 
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