Son Hit With Aging Parent's $93K Nursing Home Bill

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John Pittas’ mother entered a nursing home for rehabilitation following a car crash. After she left the nursing home, she moved out of the country. His mother’s $93,000 bill at the home was left unpaid. The mom had applied for Medicaid, which would normally pay the bill if she couldn’t.

The mom’s Medicaid application did not get approved in enough time to satisfy the nursing home, and it sued her son for the bill. The state of Pennsylvania, like 29 others in our country, has something called a “filial responsibility law”. Those laws require that spouses, children and even parents of needy adults support the indigent. These laws were rarely ever enforced. The nursing home decided to enforce it rather than have Medicaid do what it was designed to do.

The trial court found for the nursing home. Mr. Pittas appealed. He argued that the court should have considered Medicaid or going after his mother’s husband and her two other adult children. Astonishingly, the appeals court not only agreed that the nursing home didn’t have to wait until the Medicaid claim was resolved, it also found that the nursing home could choose any family member it wanted to when seeking payment for the bill.

There is an adage in the law: You can’t legislate morality. However that is exactly what the Pennsylvania courts in the Pittas case did. If a son or daughter has the money and wants to pay for mom or dad’s care, that’s an upright choice. But what if they choose not to pay? What if they have their own expenses, kids in college or a retirement they want to fund? Since when is it okay to unfairly discriminate against a financially successful family member? Mr. Pittas’s tax returns, bank statements, and other personal data are now presumably public record.

Here’s the unspoken part of the picture that really rankles. Some parents worked hard all their lives and never made enough money to pay for expensive things like nursing home care. I can’t justify any court making their kids pay.

A quarter of adult children, mostly baby boomers are already providing personal care or financial assistance to aging parents, according the the Met Life Mature Market 2011 study of the Caregiving Costs to Working Caregivers. These boomers are already out nearly $3 trillion in lost wages, pension, and Social Security benefits for themselves. Now some states want to saddle these same adult children with the nursing home bill too??

The pressure is on in all states to deal with the explosive costs of Medicaid programs. States are not in trouble because of unnecessary spending for indigent sick folks. They are in trouble because people are living longer, and having more health care needs as a result of longevity. Our aging persons who are in nursing homes for any length of time typically can’t pay the cost of being there. The solution is not to force the high cost of care onto their children. Historically, taxpayers have borne the burden of helping our indigent pay for care. I can’t see any other choice, unless you think it’s okay to throw the sick and needy out into the streets.

Yes, it takes taxpayer money to fund Medicaid and cover Mr. Pittas’ mother’s nursing home stay. So be it. She was living on an income of $1000 a month.

What are the takeaways here?
First, if your parent is low income, see an elder law attorney who has expertise in Medicaid in your parents’ state and get the application going now if they qualify.

Next, if there was ever an argument for buying long term care insurance, a state’s “filial responsibility” law is it. If your parents are young enough and healthy enough to be insurable, get them to buy it or buy it for them.[/entity]

If you aren’t sure about what your responsibility is or may be for your aging parents, get competent advice before any more time passes.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/carolynrosenblatt/2012/05/21/son-hit-with-aging-parents-93k-nursing-home-bill/
 
Trying to understand the story. Why did she move out the country? Does the home son LIVES in the house that belongs to the mother or his? Sometimes Nursing Homes go after the house like most do, even Medicaid does that. It seem like something is missing from this article.
 
hosp tried to do that to me after my dad died. wrote some letters to his estate (me and my mom) trying to guilt me into paying his hosp bill b/c his ins didn't cover all of it... I ignored them cats after 2 months they never bothered me again. My parents only use me as the beneficiary on things never the responsible party... debt of the deceased is debt of the deceased. unless someone says yea I'll cover a relatives debt, it ain't their issue.
 
Trying to understand the story. Why did she move out the country? Does the home son LIVES in the house that belongs to the mother or his? Sometimes Nursing Homes go after the house like most do, even Medicaid does that. It seem like something is missing from this article.

I was thinking the same thing... or he has some link to his mothers past finances that cause him to be the 'chosen' one to pay her debt... :hmm:
 
Trying to understand the story. Why did she move out the country? Does the home son LIVES in the house that belongs to the mother or his? Sometimes Nursing Homes go after the house like most do, even Medicaid does that. It seem like something is missing from this article.

I suspect they're going after him because he sold her house and kept the profits.
 
Trying to understand the story. Why did she move out the country? Does the home son LIVES in the house that belongs to the mother or his? Sometimes Nursing Homes go after the house like most do, even Medicaid does that. It seem like something is missing from this article.


"The state of Pennsylvania, like 29 others in our country, has something called a “filial responsibility law”. Those laws require that spouses, children and even parents of needy adults support the indigent."

This is why the hospital sued him. They could have gone after her husband or one of his siblings as well. They just chose him. Waiting on Medicaid was also an option, but the hospital chose to go after her family for the money.
 
sounds like they chose him because his financial records showed that he was capable of paying the debt.
 
bolded is wrong.

debt of the deceased is debt of the deceased's estate.
whomever is the beneficiary for that estate assumes all legal responsibility.

don't want the responsibility then be estranged from the deceased before they die.
you can't be heir to the profits and disavow the debts.


hosp tried to do that to me after my dad died. wrote some letters to his estate (me and my mom) trying to guilt me into paying his hosp bill b/c his ins didn't cover all of it... I ignored them cats after 2 months they never bothered me again. My parents only use me as the beneficiary on things never the responsible party... debt of the deceased is debt of the deceased. unless someone says yea I'll cover a relatives debt, it ain't their issue.
 
bolded is wrong.

debt of the deceased is debt of the deceased's estate.
whomever is the beneficiary for that estate assumes all legal responsibility.

don't want the responsibility then be estranged from the deceased before they die.
you can't be heir to the profits and disavow the debts.

This was my understanding as well
 
they purposely left out the details because the cac media likes to scare people (especialy other cacs) that shit like this can happen to them,, fear equals control,,, if they gave you the details, you could say to yourself, "oh, his situation would never apply to me" & now the story is no longer interesting or newsworthy

feel free to post the details the media neglected to

thanks
 
I just recently spoke with my parents about long term care insurance. I'm helping to pay as well since it will fall on me ultimately. We're doing it as a team
 
bolded is wrong.

debt of the deceased is debt of the deceased's estate.
whomever is the beneficiary for that estate assumes all legal responsibility.

don't want the responsibility then be estranged from the deceased before they die.
you can't be heir to the profits and disavow the debts.

This is not exactly true. If you died and passed on your estate to your son than he can not be sued for past debt. A creditor can not come after inheritance.

The key is to have a beneficiary on your bank accounts, and will for your other properties. Without those things in place your child would have to go to probate court where the creditors would have a chance to collect.

If you did not have a beneficiary on your bank account, the bank would close the account as deceased and probate court would be needed to release the funds. During this time creditors will be notified and they would have the option to collect. If you have a beneficiary the bank would transfer/release the funds.

Now if a house is unpaid for or a car, the loan company can forgive the debt, arrange for the living to finish the payments or reposes their property. But you would not be required to pay the debt
 
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I was generalizing so there are most likely exceptions to what I said.
I was not referring to past debts but, instead current ongoing debts (medical, mortgage, loans, taxes etc...).

as for property debt, if the beneficiary sold that property that had outstanding debt they would be required to pay the debt.

you can't sell the house and not pay the taxes.
you can't sell the car or house and not pay the loans.
and I'm not certain but, you can't collect the life insurance and not pay the medical and other expenses it was intended for.


This is not exactly true. If you died and passed on your estate to your son than he can not be sued for past debt. A creditor can not come after inheritance.

The key is to have a beneficiary on your bank accounts, and will for your other properties. Without those things in place your child would have to go to probate court where the creditors would have a chance to collect.

If you did not have a beneficiary on your bank account, the bank would close the account as deceased and probate court would be needed to release the funds. During this time creditors will be notified and they would have the option to collect. If you have a beneficiary the bank would transfer/release the funds.

Now if a house is unpaid for or a car, the loan company can forgive the debt, arrange for the living to finish the payments or reposes their property. But you would not be required to pay the debt
 
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they purposely left out the details because the cac media likes to scare people (especialy other cacs) that shit like this can happen to them,, fear equals control,,, if they gave you the details, you could say to yourself, "oh, his situation would never apply to me" & now the story is no longer interesting or newsworthy

Thanks
 
The law is basically in place to have grimy ass westerners take care of their parents. There is no respect for the elderly in western society. In Ohio, the city will come take your elderly parent to the grocer, hospital, and where ever else they need to go. The kids then think they can come in from states away and get money after their parents die. :lol: Nope....They owe for all that care they should have been providing.
 
:confused::confused::confused:

Whites are never on welfare....

This story is wrong


Whites would never depend on the government



:smh::smh::smh:
 
they purposely left out the details because the cac media likes to scare people (especialy other cacs) that shit like this can happen to them,, fear equals control,,, if they gave you the details, you could say to yourself, "oh, his situation would never apply to me" & now the story is no longer interesting or newsworthy

feel free to post the details the media neglected to

thanks

good points
 
There is an adage in the law: You can’t legislate morality. However that is exactly what the Pennsylvania courts in the Pittas case did. If a son or daughter has the money and wants to pay for mom or dad’s care, that’s an upright choice. But what if they choose not to pay? What if they have their own expenses, kids in college or a retirement they want to fund?

Since when is it okay to unfairly discriminate against a financially successful family member?

Mr. Pittas’s tax returns, bank statements, and other personal data are now presumably public record.

Here’s the unspoken part of the picture that really rankles. Some parents worked hard all their lives and never made enough money to pay for expensive things like nursing home care. I can’t justify any court making their kids pay.



I can’t see any other choice, unless you think it’s okay to throw the sick and needy out into the streets.

Yes, it takes taxpayer money to fund Medicaid and cover Mr. Pittas’ mother’s nursing home stay. So be it. She was living on an income of $1000 a month.







Wow.


1 rule for whites: it's taxpayer money, so be it

A different set of rules for blacks: pull yourself up by your bootstrap, no free rides


:smh::smh::smh:
 
hosp tried to do that to me after my dad died. wrote some letters to his estate (me and my mom) trying to guilt me into paying his hosp bill b/c his ins didn't cover all of it... I ignored them cats after 2 months they never bothered me again. My parents only use me as the beneficiary on things never the responsible party... debt of the deceased is debt of the deceased. unless someone says yea I'll cover a relatives debt, it ain't their issue.

read the article again
several states there are laws where the next of kin is liable
 
I was generalizing so there are most likely exceptions to what I said.
I was not referring to past debts but, instead current ongoing debts (medical, mortgage, loans, taxes etc...).

as for property debt, if the beneficiary sold that property that had outstanding debt they would be required to pay the debt.

you can't sell the house and not pay the taxes.
you can't sell the car or house and not pay the loans.
and I'm not certain but, you can't collect the life insurance and not pay the medical and other expenses it was intended for.

incorrect you don't have to pay shit out of life insurance money
 
This is not exactly true. If you died and passed on your estate to your son than he can not be sued for past debt. A creditor can not come after inheritance.

The key is to have a beneficiary on your bank accounts, and will for your other properties. Without those things in place your child would have to go to probate court where the creditors would have a chance to collect.

If you did not have a beneficiary on your bank account, the bank would close the account as deceased and probate court would be needed to release the funds. During this time creditors will be notified and they would have the option to collect. If you have a beneficiary the bank would transfer/release the funds.

Now if a house is unpaid for or a car, the loan company can forgive the debt, arrange for the living to finish the payments or reposes their property. But you would not be required to pay the debt

correct,the estate can be sued
everything else u said is correct
but anyone with sense would use the power of attorney to move any funds,before they died if they saw the person was not going to make it
 
bolded is wrong.

debt of the deceased is debt of the deceased's estate.
whomever is the beneficiary for that estate assumes all legal responsibility.

don't want the responsibility then be estranged from the deceased before they die.
you can't be heir to the profits and disavow the debts.

estates don't have beneficiaries they have executors,
life insurance policies,bank accounts have beneficiaries
those are not part of the estate and cannot be touched.
the executor of the estate can simply turn the house/cars or whatever back to the bank if they wish not to pay for it
 
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