Both guys would play for the minimum. To me it is a no brainer. Do you think this will happen in any shape or form?
Should the heat go after AI and Tracy McGrady?
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It's definitely a no-brainer, no they shouldn't. McGrady may have something left in the tank but Iverson, one of my favorite players ever, does not. The team needs more strong role players such as Mike Miller and not becoming a dumping ground for former superstars.
The team needs shooters. These guys are more scorers and dont really fit that bill.
Heat will need a legitimate center. Not Big Z either. They don't need a scorer they will need a guy that can run the floor, block shots and REBOUND. Because Bosh can't be their only big. It could be Beasley, but he will want the ball too much
actively pursue them over other needs? no.
pick them up if available to fill out a roster? yes (assuming healthy and a desire to compete).
2 reasons.
1) veteran experience (even if they never play) can help solidify a team
2) AI jokes aside, those 2 on the practice squad can help the first team stay on top of their game.
pick them up if available to fill out a roster? yes (assuming healthy and a desire to compete).
2 reasons.
1) veteran experience (even if they never play) can help solidify a team
2) AI jokes aside, those 2 on the practice squad can help the first team stay on top of their game.
Beasley's either already gone or on the way out.
He was traded to Minnesota
they need a the positions that AI & McGrady fill too.
The Heat have
no starter - C backup Zydrunas
Bosh - PF backup Juwan Howard, Udonis
Lebron - SF no backup
Miller - SG no backup
Wade - PG no backup
The Heat have a need for a solid defensively oriented center that can rebound. 8-10 pts, 10 rbs and 2 blocks a game. Zydrunas is cool as a backup put he won't play 35 mins/82 games. The Heat are looking at either Kwame Brown or Jamaal Magloire.
They need a solid assist oriented PG that can average 8-10 pts and 8-10 assists. Jason williams is a strong consideration. As far as guards, they are actively looking at Matt Barnes, Tracy McGrady, Rasual Butler, Eddie House,and Mike James.
There is no harm in signing 2 experienced veterans like AI and McGrady who both have the drive to prove they can win a Championship.
no starter - C backup Zydrunas
Bosh - PF backup Juwan Howard, Udonis
Lebron - SF no backup
Miller - SG no backup
Wade - PG no backup
The Heat have a need for a solid defensively oriented center that can rebound. 8-10 pts, 10 rbs and 2 blocks a game. Zydrunas is cool as a backup put he won't play 35 mins/82 games. The Heat are looking at either Kwame Brown or Jamaal Magloire.
They need a solid assist oriented PG that can average 8-10 pts and 8-10 assists. Jason williams is a strong consideration. As far as guards, they are actively looking at Matt Barnes, Tracy McGrady, Rasual Butler, Eddie House,and Mike James.
There is no harm in signing 2 experienced veterans like AI and McGrady who both have the drive to prove they can win a Championship.
Riley is not going to risk his lockerroom chemistry with Allen Iverson. Iverson is most likely a net negative at this time in his career. He is an undersized two that shoots a low clip and causes problems in the lockerroom. He was tolerated in his prime... not worth it at this stage in his career.
I think McGrady could be an interesting pickup though.
But as a few people have stated, they are in need of some big bodies that can bang on the boards and defend.
I think McGrady could be an interesting pickup though.
But as a few people have stated, they are in need of some big bodies that can bang on the boards and defend.
iverson had never been spoken of as being disruptive to team chemistry by any former teammates.
He can certainly play the role of a true PG in the NBA and on the Heat. He knows that he won't be the first scoring option. AI has been as asset on every team that he has played with.
At his age and at this point in his career AI will play a PG role to win a championship.
He can certainly play the role of a true PG in the NBA and on the Heat. He knows that he won't be the first scoring option. AI has been as asset on every team that he has played with.
At his age and at this point in his career AI will play a PG role to win a championship.
the heat have alot on their list to choose from to play for very little money.
In what alternate reality are you living in
That has been one the biggest complaints about Allen Iverson. Im from Detroit, Iverson was nothing but a problem from the time joined the Pistons. This was discussed in the national media and definitely in the local media. Allen Iverson was so much trouble in Detroit that he even got banned from the local casinos in downtown Detroit. He caused fits about coming off the bench and then pulled the bullshit injury at the end. Iverson was a circus in Detroit.
Allen Iverson is not a point. He is an undersized two. Why would Miami bring in a ball-dominant chucker when they already have enough scorers and Lebron can run the offense. They need shooters..which Iverson is not. He is a career 42 percent shooter.
Iverson has played 14 season in the NBA...expecting a player to CHANGE at this stage of his career is borderline insane. Iverson is what he is as a player and has played that way since his days at Georgetown. He is not going to all of a sudden turn into John Stockton. He has NEVER played the role of a true point his entire career...why would he be expected to do that now...and why would Riley try an experiment.
Iverson is a 2...which means he would play at most 15-18 minutes a game coming off the bench behind Wade... do you really think Iverson is going to do that...
I would be seriously surprised if Riley took an unnecessary chance when the heat dont need an undersized two gaurd and they dont need scoring. They need shooters to space the floor.
Iverson only looks good on paper.
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From what I've seen of A.I.'s game at this stage of his career he can back up the point guard spot. He should NOT start at the point or the 2. (unless Chalmers get injured.) The Heats bench has no scoring.
Same thing applies for McGrady, but I would take less of a chance on him because he's injury prone.
Iverson knows this is his last shot at playing, let alone a ring. I think that playing with Wade in his ear would help. McGrady would spell you at 3 spots, but I would carefully monitor his minutes if picked up.
Same thing applies for McGrady, but I would take less of a chance on him because he's injury prone.
Iverson knows this is his last shot at playing, let alone a ring. I think that playing with Wade in his ear would help. McGrady would spell you at 3 spots, but I would carefully monitor his minutes if picked up.
In theory Rollie, it sounds great. Iverson is a scorer and you can bring him off the bench. However, despite his words, he has shown that he doesnt want to play a reduced roll. So you are going to have to take a serious chance on him having finally learned his lesson. If it is one thing Ive learned in life, is that people rarely change. Applying it to athletes, but this time in their career, if they have not shown the ability to chance, why would it happen during their last year in the league. The problem with Iverson is that he becomes disruptive when conditions become adverse. Look at his last runs in Detroit, Philly, etc.
Lebron, Wade, and Bosh decided to play together because of CHEMISTRY.
I think the last thing they are going to do is bring someone in that can cause chemistry issues. That is why Shaq or Iverson most likely wont be there.
I think you would see McGrady (despite being injury-prone) there before Iverson.
Naw, Tracy would hurt himself tieing his shoe in the locker room and AI won't show up to practice.
In what alternate reality are you living in
That has been one the biggest complaints about Allen Iverson. Im from Detroit, Iverson was nothing but a problem from the time joined the Pistons. This was discussed in the national media and definitely in the local media. Allen Iverson was so much trouble in Detroit that he even got banned from the local casinos in downtown Detroit. He caused fits about coming off the bench and then pulled the bullshit injury at the end. Iverson was a circus in Detroit.
Allen Iverson is not a point. He is an undersized two. Why would Miami bring in a ball-dominant chucker when they already have enough scorers and Lebron can run the offense. They need shooters..which Iverson is not. He is a career 42 percent shooter.
Iverson has played 14 season in the NBA...expecting a player to CHANGE at this stage of his career is borderline insane. Iverson is what he is as a player and has played that way since his days at Georgetown. He is not going to all of a sudden turn into John Stockton. He has NEVER played the role of a true point his entire career...why would he be expected to do that now...and why would Riley try an experiment.
Iverson is a 2...which means he would play at most 15-18 minutes a game coming off the bench behind Wade... do you really think Iverson is going to do that...
I would be seriously surprised if Riley took an unnecessary chance when the heat dont need an undersized two gaurd and they dont need scoring. They need shooters to space the floor.
Iverson only looks good on paper.
Blah blah and blah some more.
I didn't say anything about the media. Quote me some players testifying against AI. And I also didn't mention casinos. Fuck the Detroit sport fans.
I said teammates. Stay on point.
Talk about AI's peer reputation in Philly or even Denver.
Furthermore, AI in Detroit was a late season salary dump. He was never a part of that team. Detroit wasn't going to re-sign AI. AI didn't want to be re-signed.
AI haters never quit.
AI definitely has the skill set to match and exceed Chalmers 9pt and 4 assists a game. Regardless of your personal opinion.
AI wouldn't be on the roster if you had a team, ok.
The rest of us can speculate.
He'd change because this would be his best and final shot at a ring. Not to mention he actually DID change in Philly last year. He might of been at the 2, but he spent the time distributing the ball and not trying to dominate it.
A.I. only had issues in Detroit when he said that hew wouldn't want to come off the bench. But he also said that he would do what's best for the team. Besides, he wasn't disruptive in Detroit, he didn't fit in their plans. Philly kept trying to change him and he was NO problem at all in Denver.
If ANYONE has problems being a teammate on the Heat it would be Lebron "1-4 everyone clear out so I can drive to the lane" James.
That being said, IF A.I. is clean and sober and is willing to take a one year contract, I would readily take him before McGrady. If it works for Iverson, he becomes a potential 6th man of the year and the comeback story of the year (which makes Riley look like a genius AGAIN.) If not, then it's Iverson's fault.
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don't forget Memphis. Where he QUIT on the team because he wasn't starting after missing ALL of preseason (except for 1 half a game). Having said that, let me say that I've said for about the last FIVE years that I always felt that Iverson could play the point if he WANTED to. But he's always been too much of a chucker to try to make his teammates better
I think Iverson a first ballot HoF guy and pound for pound one of the best ever but he can not and never has been a true PG and teams and coaches have always regretted trying to make him one.
At this point any player who needs to be ball dominant would be a cancer to the Heat, and AI and T-Mac both need the ball to be effective. Even if they 'accept' their new roles, they do not have the skill set at this late stage in their career to be effective. If neither of them are scoring, what do they offer? Smothering defense? the ability to spot up and consistently hit the open J? Quality team leadership and great locker room presence? None of the above. Both dudes were good in their prime, where their skills would have been better suited to build a team around and not to be complementary players. What I believe the Heat needs to do now is not even worry about the 'star' or former 'star' players, but begin to build complementary pieces around the big three who are 'specialist' i.e. (even though a few are not available, just for reference sake) a Tony Allen type, a Kyle Korver or J.J. Reddick type, a Kyle Lowry type, even a Jason or Jarron Collins, who in the grand scheme of things may not offer much, but for league minimum you get a huge body and 6 fouls a night to clog up the middle, get you a few boards, and do the dirty work. To try to continue to build a star studded team would be a definite mistake for this squad now!!! 
At this point any player who needs to be ball dominant would be a cancer to the Heat, and AI and T-Mac both need the ball to be effective. Even if they 'accept' their new roles, they do not have the skill set at this late stage in their career to be effective. If neither of them are scoring, what do they offer? Smothering defense? the ability to spot up and consistently hit the open J? Quality team leadership and great locker room presence? None of the above. Both dudes were good in their prime, where their skills would have been better suited to build a team around and not to be complementary players. What I believe the Heat needs to do now is not even worry about the 'star' or former 'star' players, but begin to build complementary pieces around the big three who are 'specialist' i.e. (even though a few are not available, just for reference sake) a Tony Allen type, a Kyle Korver or J.J. Reddick type, a Kyle Lowry type, even a Jason or Jarron Collins, who in the grand scheme of things may not offer much, but for league minimum you get a huge body and 6 fouls a night to clog up the middle, get you a few boards, and do the dirty work. To try to continue to build a star studded team would be a definite mistake for this squad now!!!
He changed in Philly and even though his daughter was sick, he actually quit on Philly last year and honestly, his 'change' proved if he can't dominate the ball he really isn't of any value to a team...
Exactly. Laughable anyone talking about Iverson is not a problem in the lockerroom.
Cosign the part in bold too. That makes my point as well.. we are not talking about ABILITY... we are talking about mentality.
Im not an Iverson hater. He is what he is...he is an undersized two gaurd who chucks and cant defend. That can be overlooked when you are scoring 30 points a game but now that type of player comes a dime a dozen and WITHOUT the lockerroom issues.
and are you fucking serious. You dont think it is a lockerroom problem when you have a player bitching after every game about coming off the bench. What kind of affect do you think that has on the two starters he could have possibly replace..or the fact that players have to address Iverson and his bitching with the media EVERY DAY.
You cant be that fucking OBTUSE or Iverson is your uncle.
Why the hell do you think he got released in Memphis
Memphis
You are delusional if you think THIS is not a problem in the lockerroom.
Testifying... this is not a courtroom case. However, anyone with a logical mind can infer enough from what is going on. Every team doesnt have a SHAQ that gives all the details to the media.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=mc-iversongrizzlies110409
Exactly. I also think he is a first ballot HOF. Im not Iverson hater. However, there are not many teams that need a undersized 34 year shooting gaurd who cant defend.
Iverson is not and will never be a point gaurd. And the problem is that even if he ran with the Heat (and Lebron is running point), he is not the type of 2 they need, because Iverson creates his own shot.. he is not a spot shooter like Ray Allen for instance.... he has to dominate the ball and the offense comes to a hault.. he is not the answer.
Plus...add the potential of his lockerroom issues during his last 3 runs....detroit, memphis, and philly,... I would be surprised if Iverson plays in the NBA again.
Come on Rollie..you understand the game better than that. The fact that the Cavs had to default to that is a clear indication that the coaching staff gets a failing grade on designing adequate offensive schemes that are effective against defensively minded-teams.
Lebron is most-likely going to average close to a triple-double in Miami. Players that look to distribute the ball first almost never have a problem fitting into a team.
So you still dont think there was a problem in the lockerroom when a starter has to address comments about another player wanting his position
And this is just one incident. Conley is saying in so many words that the Iverson speaking like that to the media was causing problems.
Grizzlies’ forecast brightened after A.I. left
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=mc-afterthebuzzer012210
As Iverson complained to reporters, Conley was sitting in the locker room, listening to every word. Conley had struggled at the start of the season, and it was widely assumed Iverson believed he should be starting over him.
“He likes to speak his mind,” Conley said of Iverson. “When he was doing that in Sacramento, it was something that was new to me. I tried not to take it personal. If anything, I tried to use it as motivation to better myself and help the team out more. … It was a tough time the way we were playing as a group, with him coming back and things like that.
“I heard a lot of things. I tried not to pay attention to them, but I could feel it throughout the city in Memphis just the way conversations were going and how people loved Allen Iverson and how they described [the situation]. Of course it’s going to bother you knowing that all this stuff is going on and the only way you can control it was to perform well. What people say was their opinion. They could say what they want, and I could keep doing what I’m doing on the court and hoped it worked out.”
I seriously doubt that he gets picked up by any team.
I actually wanted to see Iverson deal with coming off the bench and contributing to a contender. He would be perfect as a bench player could bring instant offense....almost like a Vinny Johnson style of player. You cant doubt that he plays 100 percent when he is on the court. His ego is his biggest issue right now and inability to understand that he can contribute in other ways to a winning team.
So you still dont think there was a problem in the lockerroom when a starter has to address comments about another player wanting his position
And this is just one incident. Conley is saying in so many words that the Iverson speaking like that to the media was causing problems.
Grizzlies’ forecast brightened after A.I. left
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=mc-afterthebuzzer012210
As Iverson complained to reporters, Conley was sitting in the locker room, listening to every word. Conley had struggled at the start of the season, and it was widely assumed Iverson believed he should be starting over him.
“He likes to speak his mind,” Conley said of Iverson. “When he was doing that in Sacramento, it was something that was new to me. I tried not to take it personal. If anything, I tried to use it as motivation to better myself and help the team out more. … It was a tough time the way we were playing as a group, with him coming back and things like that.
“I heard a lot of things. I tried not to pay attention to them, but I could feel it throughout the city in Memphis just the way conversations were going and how people loved Allen Iverson and how they described [the situation]. Of course it’s going to bother you knowing that all this stuff is going on and the only way you can control it was to perform well. What people say was their opinion. They could say what they want, and I could keep doing what I’m doing on the court and hoped it worked out.”
I clearly stated for you to quote me a team mate from Philly or Denver. Not his short stays on Detroit or Memphis. You are overlooking and ignoring his other 12 years in the league.
And too bad Conley couldn't deal with a veteran team mate telling the truth about his output and the team's weak link. Conley should have been man enough to use it as motivation just like he stated. Too bad he couldn't. Whiner. And for the record, Conley's output was no better or worst before or after AI served as his short term team mate.
Lastly, AI did at Detroit, the very same thing that Rip Hamilton did. They both bitched and moaned about coming off the bench. Why is it excused for Rip and not AI?
I through with you MR.(certainly don't)KNOW IT ALL.
Peace.
It has to be from a particular team huh
Im not ignoring his entire career. You are ignoring the fact that NOW, Allen Iverson is a problem because he is not dealing with his CURRENT reality. He is no longer a star in this league and not starting material.
If he understood that, he would still be playing. He certainly has very little chance of playing in Miami. The Heat only have two more rosters spots left and they will resign Arroyo...who is a MUCH better fit for their team. They need a point gaurd...not a ball-dominant undersized two gaurd.
The reality of the matter is that Iverson has been a problem for the last 3 teams he has played for... only someone who is a fool would ignore the fact that he has been benched or released from his last 3 teams
A veteran shouldnt have been bitching to the MEDIA about playing time. Conley dealt with it like a professional. However, he should not have had to deal with it in the first place.
Iverson should not have replaced Conley. Mayo and Iverson on the court together is starting two shooting gaurds
Stop making excuses for this cat. Iverson made his bed. Now he has to sleep in it.
I don't think he'l;l get picked up before training camp. I see it happening before the trade deadline, IMO. If Arroyo and Chalmers don't work, then I see him getting picked up by the Heat.
Honestly, their started have scoring power but once you get past Mike Miller their bench is anemic. It's like it's built to hold on to leads and not extend them. At least one of the big three has to be on the floor at all times. At least with the Celtics there were points you could sit KG, Pierce and Ray.
He changed in Philly and even though his daughter was sick, he actually quit on Philly last year and honestly, his 'change' proved if he can't dominate the ball he really isn't of any value to a team...
He didn't quit. He took a lesser role because Iguadala was the man there. But between his wife wanting to leave him, his daughter being sick and the alcoholism, he was fucked up and in no condition to play for the last few years.
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