**Shocker** Fox New Poll: Most blame Bush for Economy

[VegasGuy]

Fox News Poll: Most Blame Bush for Economy
By David Weigel 10/30/09 9:58 AM

Here’s a somewhat surprising result from the new Fox News poll. Asked which president is “more responsible for the current state of the economy,” only 18 percent say President Obama. Fifty-eight percent say former President George W. Bush. Nine percent blame both of them. Republicans are the only subgroup of voters who blame Obama, and only by a six-point margin of 35 percent to 29 percent.

What’s striking about this is that the numbers have only marginally gotten worse for President Obama in the three months since Fox News last asked this question. In July, it was 16 percent who blamed Obama and 61 percent who blamed Bush. That is, needless to say, not what Fox News viewers hear when they tune into the network. But it’s essential to understanding why the president remains popular and why Republicans are failing to really capitalize on economic gloom.

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-VG

 

[thoughtone]

This is why the Democrats are currently not riding the wave of support they had a year ago. Obama, rather than unleash the full force of the judicial system on prosecuting the Bush/Cheney crimes, many see the democratic as just partners in the same old scam. Rightly or wrongly, despite what the media says, people what things done. Bipartisanship is just a term to slow down the things that need to be done.

 

[Lamarr]

Dubya didn't do it by himself, he had a lot of help!

 

[thoughtone]

Dubya didn't do it by himself, he had a lot of help!

Show the actual congressional votes for the bills you conceder detrimental. You deal in vague generalities, I deal it facts. Although there is truth to your post.

 

[QueEx]

I don't know why V.G. posts stuff like this; knowing its going to be rejected by people actinanass.

QueEx

 

[QueEx]

Dubya didn't do it by himself, he had a lot of help!

Funny thing is, if Ron Paul had said the same thing as the poll, you would have been all over his dick in agreement.



QueEx

 

[Ruff Ryder]

It always makes me laugh the way right wingers point the finger at Obama for every little thing but fail to comment on how Dubya drove this country into its current economic woes.

 

[Lamarr]

Funny thing is, if Ron Paul had said the same thing as the poll, you would have been all over his dick in agreement.

QueEx

1) I don't think Ron is that "shallow" to point the finger at one person for the troubles we're experiencing. Dubya was a puppet for the Bankers & the military industrial complex, isn't it evident by now?

2) I think y'all jealous of Ron cause he voted against the Iraq War, the Patroit Act, FISA, NAFTA, and The Banker Bailout. Secretly, I know you wish the Dems had the BALLS to reverse these actions. I know I do!!!

It always makes me laugh the way right wingers point the finger at Obama for every little thing but fail to comment on how Dubya drove this country into its current economic woes.

Did I say anything about Pres. Obama?

 

[Lamarr]

Show the actual congressional votes for the bills you conceder detrimental. You deal in vague generalities, I deal it facts. Although there is truth to your post.

Thought, it aint enough server space for sh*t I could post

Let's start with TARP (Banker Bailout)! ! ! ! ! ! http://www.opencongress.org/vote/2008/s/213

40 DEMS voted for this! Yes, they voted WITH Dubya

Votes by Senator
Name Voted
Sen. Daniel Akaka [D, HI] Aye
Sen. Lamar Alexander [R, TN] Aye
Wayne Allard Nay
Sen. John Barrasso [R, WY] Nay
Sen. Max Baucus [D, MT] Aye
Sen. Evan Bayh [D, IN] Aye
Sen. Robert Bennett [R, UT] Aye
Sen. Joseph Biden [D, DE] Aye
Sen. Jeff Bingaman [D, NM] Aye
Sen. Christopher Bond [R, MO] Aye
Sen. Barbara Boxer [D, CA] Aye
Sen. Sherrod Brown [D, OH] Aye
Sen. Samuel Brownback [R, KS] Nay
Sen. Jim Bunning [R, KY] Nay
Sen. Richard Burr [R, NC] Aye
Sen. Robert Byrd [D, WV] Aye SHEETS
Sen. Maria Cantwell [D, WA] Nay
Sen. Benjamin Cardin [D, MD] Aye
Sen. Thomas Carper [D, DE] Aye
Sen. Robert Casey [D, PA] Aye
Sen. Saxby Chambliss [R, GA] Aye
Sen. Hillary Clinton [D, NY] Aye
Sen. Thomas Coburn [R, OK] Aye
Sen. Thad Cochran [R, MS] Nay
Norm Coleman Aye
Sen. Susan Collins [R, ME] Aye
Sen. Kent Conrad [D, ND] Aye
Sen. Bob Corker [R, TN] Aye Traitor
Sen. John Cornyn [R, TX] Aye
Larry Craig Aye
Sen. Michael Crapo [R, ID] Nay
Sen. Jim DeMint [R, SC] Nay
Sen. Christopher Dodd [D, CT] Aye
Elizabeth Dole Nay
Pete Domenici Aye
Sen. Byron Dorgan [D, ND] Nay
Sen. Richard Durbin [D, IL] Aye
Sen. John Ensign [R, NV] Aye
Sen. Michael Enzi [R, WY] Nay
Sen. Russell Feingold [D, WI] Nay
Sen. Dianne Feinstein [D, CA] Aye
Sen. Lindsey Graham [R, SC] Aye conservative my azz!
Sen. Charles Grassley [R, IA] Aye
Sen. Judd Gregg [R, NH] Aye
Charles Hagel Aye
Sen. Thomas Harkin [D, IA] Aye
Sen. Orrin Hatch [R, UT] Aye
Sen. Kay Hutchison [R, TX] Aye
Sen. James Inhofe [R, OK] Nay
Sen. Daniel Inouye [D, HI] Aye
Sen. John Isakson [R, GA] Aye
Sen. Tim Johnson [D, SD] Nay
Sen. Edward Kennedy [D, MA] Abstain
Sen. John Kerry [D, MA] Aye
Sen. Amy Klobuchar [D, MN] Aye
Sen. Herbert Kohl [D, WI] Aye
Sen. Jon Kyl [R, AZ] Aye
Sen. Mary Landrieu [D, LA] Nay
Sen. Frank Lautenberg [D, NJ] Aye
Sen. Patrick Leahy [D, VT] Aye
Sen. Carl Levin [D, MI] Aye
Sen. Joseph Lieberman [I, CT] Aye
Sen. Blanche Lincoln [D, AR] Aye
Sen. Richard Lugar [R, IN] Aye
Sen. Mel Martinez [R, FL] Aye
Sen. John McCain [R, AZ] Aye
Sen. Claire McCaskill [D, MO] Aye
Sen. Mitch McConnell [R, KY] Aye
Sen. Robert Menéndez [D, NJ] Aye
Sen. Barbara Mikulski [D, MD] Aye
Sen. Lisa Murkowski [R, AK] Aye
Sen. Patty Murray [D, WA] Aye
Sen. Bill Nelson [D, FL] Nay
Sen. Ben Nelson [D, NE] Aye
Barack Obama Aye
Sen. Mark Pryor [D, AR] Aye
Sen. John Reed [D, RI] Aye
Sen. Harry Reid [D, NV] Aye
Sen. Pat Roberts [R, KS] Nay
Sen. John Rockefeller [D, WV] Aye duh!
Sen. Ken Salazar [D, CO] Aye
Sen. Bernard Sanders [I, VT] Nay
Sen. Charles Schumer [D, NY] Aye
Sen. Jefferson Sessions [R, AL] Nay
Sen. Richard Shelby [R, AL] Nay
Gordon Smith Aye
Sen. Olympia Snowe [R, ME] Aye
Sen. Arlen Specter [D, PA] Aye
Sen. Debbie Ann Stabenow [D, MI] Nay
Ted Stevens Aye
John Sununu Aye
Sen. Jon Tester [D, MT] Nay
Sen. John Thune [R, SD] Aye
Sen. David Vitter [R, LA] Nay
Sen. George Voinovich [R, OH] Aye
John Warner Aye
Sen. Jim Webb [D, VA] Aye
Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse [D, RI] Aye
Sen. Roger Wicker [R, MS] Nay
Sen. Ron Wyden [D, OR] Nay

 

[QueEx]

1) I don't think Ron is that "shallow" to point the finger at one person for the troubles we're experiencing. Dubya was a puppet for the Bankers & the military industrial complex, isn't it evident by now?

Of course you don't, nor do you see 'yourself' as a Ron Paul nut hugger. But your perception doesn't alter the facts.

2) I think y'all jealous of Ron cause he voted against the Iraq War, the Patroit Act, FISA, NAFTA, and The Banker Bailout. Secretly, I know you wish the Dems had the BALLS to reverse these actions. I know I do!!!

Why are you replying to "y'all" when replying to me? I take Ron Paul for exactly what he is, just another politician taking positions he feels might one day get him elected and saying things he hopes enough people to get him elected, want to hear. You're just one of them.

QueEx

 

[Lamarr]

Why are you replying to "y'all" when replying to me?
QueEx

I said y'all cause you immediately tagged VG. And I didn't and don't dispute Dubya deserves part of the blame, I just said Dubya didn't do it by himself.

I take Ron Paul for exactly what he is, just another politician taking positions he feels might one day get him elected and saying things he hopes enough people to get him elected, want to hear. You're just one of them.

QueEx

They ALL politicians at the end of the day but the distinction between them should lie in their allegiances & their voting records, right?

 

[VegasGuy]

Dubya didn't do it by himself, he had a lot of help!

Weather they Dubya didn't do it alone is immaterial. The question asked by Fox has to do with presidential responsibility for the economic mess, not if they felt any democrats had a hand in it. That is a completely different question and one too complex for the teabagging network. Having said that, it is also clear this question is to gauge right wing efforts to shift the blame for the economy onto president Obama. This response is not what they wanted. So now there will be a mad crush of economic conspiracies, threats from financial institutions filing for bankruptcy and anything showing despair as it relates to the economy from the wing nut fringe. It is their pattern.

@QueEx I posted it for progressive consumption. I already know the far right fringe response when they are forced to have a reaction is obfuscation and equivocation. Beyond that, they won't say a thing about this.

-VG

 

[QueEx]

@QueEx I posted it for progressive consumption. I already know the far right fringe response when they are forced to have a reaction is obfuscation and equivocation. Beyond that, they won't say a thing about this.

-VG

Yeah, I know. I've been too busy lately to throw a few digs at that crowd; but I took the easy opporunity to do so presented by your lead post in this thread.

QueEx

 

[thoughtone]

Thought, it aint enough server space for sh*t I could post

Let's start with TARP (Banker Bailout)! ! ! ! ! ! http://www.opencongress.org/vote/2008/s/213

40 DEMS voted for this! Yes, they voted WITH Dubya

Ok, interesting data. But arguably last year’s bailout was not the start of all the crap we are going through. It was just another in a long line of corporate give-aways. I myself disliked the bailout for all of the reasons that I have stated on this board, you can search my reasons to save time. Let’s go back to the example you yourself claim is the cause of today’s economic debacle. The Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act, which repealed the Glass-Steagall Act , voted on the last day of the 106 Congress in 1999. Almost entirely down party lines.

The House passed its version of the Financial Services Act of 1999 on July 1st by a bipartisan vote of 343-86 (|Republicans 205–16; Democrats 138–69; Independent/Socialist 0–1),[3] [4] [5] two months after the Senate had already passed its version of the bill on May 6th by a much-narrower 54–44 vote along basically-partisan lines (53 Republicans and one Democrat in favor; 44 Democrats opposed).

In fact ya boy Dick Armey of the Tea Bagging FreedomWorks you so often quote voted for it. Whose side are you on?

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/1999/roll276.xml

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[Cruise]

People see what they want.

The racists see a non-white face and want to blame it.

I despise Obama politically (more than Bush), and really wish he hadn't won.

When this mess gets worse, I don't want to think about how Obama is going to sacrifice slave descendants to appease the whites.

McCain/Palin would have been a dream come true. And... having Palin as President would have been a gift that keeps on giving.

Palin for 2012!

Ok, interesting data. But arguably last year’s bailout was not the start of all the crap we are going through. It was just another in a long line of corporate give-aways. I myself disliked the bailout for all of the reasons that I have stated on this board, you can search my reasons to save time. Let’s go back to the example you yourself claim is the cause of today’s economic debacle. The Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act, which repealed the Glass-Steagall Act , voted on the last day of the 106 Congress in 1999. Almost entirely down party lines.

DAMN that was a notorious Act. If you really want to blame someone, blame Bill Clinton for signing that garbage.

 

[Lamarr]

Ok, interesting data. But arguably last year’s bailout was not the start of all the crap we are going through. It was just another in a long line of corporate give-aways. I myself disliked the bailout for all of the reasons that I have stated on this board, you can search my reasons to save time. Let’s go back to the example you yourself claim is the cause of today’s economic debacle. The Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act, which repealed the Glass-Steagall Act , voted on the last day of the 106 Congress in 1999. Almost entirely down party lines.

yeah, I refer to Glass-Steagall a lot. Clinton signed the sh*t, Obviously, his allegiances were with the Banks! The current admin has an oppurtunity to reverse all the "irresponsible economic practices" of the Bush admin, Will it happen?

In fact ya boy Dick Armey of the Tea Bagging FreedomWorks you so often quote voted for it. Whose side are you on?

A bad bill is a bad bill, I side with the people. The Dems will sell you out to corporate interests just like the Repubs! I think you know it but you just won't admit it.

 

[Lamarr]

When this mess gets worse, I don't want to think about how Obama is going to sacrifice slave descendants to appease the whites.

you didn't get the memo, The recession is over. Happy days are here again

 

[thoughtone]

yeah, I refer to Glass-Steagall a lot. Clinton signed the sh*t, Obviously, his allegiances were with the Banks! The current admin has an oppurtunity to reverse all the "irresponsible economic practices" of the Bush admin, Will it happen?



A bad bill is a bad bill, I side with the people. The Dems will sell you out to corporate interests just like the Repubs! I think you know it but you just won't admit it.

A bad bill is a bad bill

You think it's just a bad bill. It's corporate fascism. Ike warned of the Military Industrial Complex.