science question- where ya at geniuses?

[exiledking]

This is probably stupid as all get out, but I can't make sense of this.

The stars and the planets are all in the same area no? Are they all fixed in their places as they orbit the sun? How do they not collide. How is there a clear path for the earth and other planets to orbit?

SOmething along those lines

 

[ScorpDiesel]

OMG!

 

[blackman8]

This is probably stupid as all get out, but I can't make sense of this.

The stars and the planets are all in the same area no? Are they all fixed in their places as they orbit the sun? How do they not collide. How is there a clear path for the earth and other planets to orbit?

SOmething along those lines

a 4th grader can answer this for you...

You do know that the Sun is a star right? Therefore other stars in the sky would create the same orbit-affect that our sun does with their own orbiting planets (if any).

 

[exiledking]

a 4th grader can answer this for you...

You do know that the Sun is a star right? Therefore other stars in the sky would create the same orbit-affect that our sun does with their own orbiting planets (if any).

I get that. I know the sun is a star. But the earth only orbits the sun, as I assume all the other stars are, but if I'm correct, some stars out there are even bigger than the sun,some that we can see under certain conditions. If they all orbit the sun, then I assume they all stay in a fixed place because of their orbits.

I knew I'd get clowned for it, but whatever.

 

[bwb]

This is probably stupid as all get out, but I can't make sense of this.

The stars and the planets are all in the same area no? Are they all fixed in their places as they orbit the sun? How do they not collide. How is there a clear path for the earth and other planets to orbit?

SOmething along those lines

i'm not sure if this is an honest question, a troll job, or if you are poking fun at some game show contestant...

in any event +1 and fine job

 

[exiledking]

i'm not sure if this is an honest question, a troll job, or if you are poking fun at some game show contestant...

in any event +1 and fine job

It's an honest question. That one guy said a 4th grader could answer, then proceeded to answer the wrong question. I'm waiting for your answer.

 

[4ce of n8ur]

I get that. I know the sun is a star. But the earth only orbits the sun, as I assume all the other stars are, but if I'm correct, some stars out there are even bigger than the sun,some that we can see under certain conditions. If they all orbit the sun, then I assume they all stay in a fixed place because of their orbits.

I knew I'd get clowned for it, but whatever.

i'm not sure what you're asking.

gravity is a relationship between two objects with mass - according to the equations. therefore you have a relationship to the earth a gravitational relationship - and that relationship is governed primarily by two things - size and proximity. the bigger the thing - the more the gravity. the closer you are to it - the more it affects you.

so earth's gravity acts singularly on you and affects your behavior. you jump up - earht pulls you back down, etc.

the earth's relationship to the sun is like a ball on a string. spin around and let the ball swing in a circle around you at the end of a string - and this is what you have - gravity is that invisible string. the orbit is balanced by gravitational pull on one side and centripetal momentum on the other - producing a stable orbit.

i think this is right anyway. i'm no astronomer.

 

[blackman8]

I get that. I know the sun is a star. But the earth only orbits the sun, as I assume all the other stars are, but if I'm correct, some stars out there are even bigger than the sun,some that we can see under certain conditions.

correct

If they all orbit the sun,

incorrect, stars don't orbit

then I assume they all stay in a fixed place because of their orbits.

how can you imagine things staying fixed while orbiting? you do know that spin and orbit are 2 different things right?

 

[exiledking]

i'm not sure what you're asking.

gravity is a relationship between two objects with mass - according to the equations. therefore you have a relationship to the earth a gravitational relationship - and that relationship is governed primarily by two things - size and proximity. the bigger the thing - the more the gravity. the closer you are to it - the more it affects you.

so earth's gravity acts singularly on you and affects your behavior. you jump up - earht pulls you back down, etc.

the earth's relationship to the sun is like a ball on a string. spin around and let the ball swing in a circle around you at the end of a string - and this is what you have - gravity is that invisible string. the orbit is balanced by gravitational pull on one side and centripetal momentum on the other - producing a stable orbit.

i think this is right anyway. i'm no astronomer.

that's pretty much what I was asking, and I get that part. I see that the earth ad other planets are fixed in their orbits because of it. And I suppose the stars are as well so they must be fixed as well. Thanks.

 

[exiledking]

correct


incorrect, stars don't orbit

they don't orbit the sun? What do the do then?


how can you imagine things staying fixed while orbiting? you do know that spin and orbit are 2 different things right?

I know spin and orbit are different. The earth spins on it's own axis, and orbits the sun. If stars aren't in orbit around the sun as well, then we're back to my original dumbass question. What I mean by fixed is that it stays in the same path

 

[4ce of n8ur]

that's pretty much what I was asking, and I get that part. I see that the earth ad other planets are fixed in their orbits because of it. And I suppose the stars are as well so they must be fixed as well. Thanks.

no, stars aren't fixed in their orbits. stars all have eccentric frames of reference and movement. a star's frame of reference is its galaxy. (your frame of reference is earth, earth's in the sun, etc.) movement in extrasolar space is eccentric and complex. stars aren't fixed but seem so from our perspective because our frames of reference are fixed to our perception (sun planets in our solar system, etc.)

 

[bwb]

It's an honest question. That one guy said a 4th grader could answer, then proceeded to answer the wrong question. I'm waiting for your answer.

oh... ok.. well, shit you have the courage to ask then more power to you...

In the beginning, scientists have a theory that there was an event called the big bang. That was an explosion that hurled huge amounts of incredibly hot matter outwards in all directions. As time continued on, the matter cooled slightly, and started to kind of clump together. Those clumps are still moving outward, and as they were moving outward they started spinning around. Stars developed in those clumps of gas and matter, and those huge clumps turned into galaxies.

Our sun is in one of those galaxies. While the planets are spinning around the sun, the sun itself is rotating around the center of our galaxy, as are all of the other stars in our galaxy. So, it's not like other stars are going to fly by and crash into us or our sun. All of the stars in our galaxy are all spinning around the center of our galaxy, the same way that we are spinning around our sun.

There is also a huge huge distance between the stars. The closest star to us is still millions and millions of miles away.

Does that answer what you are asking?

 

[4ce of n8ur]

correct


incorrect, stars don't orbit

they don't orbit the sun? What do the do then?


how can you imagine things staying fixed while orbiting? you do know that spin and orbit are 2 different things right?

I know spin and orbit are different. The earth spins on it's own axis, and orbits the sun. If stars aren't in orbit around the sun as well, then we're back to my original dumbass question. What I mean by fixed is that it stays in the same path

no stars don't orbit our sun. technically you can say they orbit the center of OUR GALAXY. The milky way. This is why galaxies have circular swirl type patterns in terms of shape.

 

[ScorpDiesel]

FINALLY somebody got it right!!

oh... ok.. well, shit you have the courage to ask then more power to you...

In the beginning, scientists have a theory that there was an event called the big bang. That was an explosion that hurled huge amounts of incredibly hot matter outwards in all directions. As time continued on, the matter cooled slightly, and started to kind of clump together. Those clumps are still moving outward, and as they were moving outward they started spinning around. Stars developed in those clumps of gas and matter, and those huge clumps turned into galaxies.

Our sun is in one of those galaxies. While the planets are spinning around the sun, the sun itself is rotating around the center of our galaxy, as are all of the other stars in our galaxy. So, it's not like other stars are going to fly by and crash into us or our sun. All of the stars in our galaxy are all spinning around the center of our galaxy, the same way that we are spinning around our sun.

There is also a huge huge distance between the stars. The closest star to us is still millions and millions of miles away.

Does that answer what you are asking?

 

[exiledking]

no stars don't orbit our sun. technically you can say they orbit the center of OUR GALAXY. The milky way. This is why galaxies have circular swirl type patterns in terms of shape.

thanks, that's it. I know it's a simplistic question, but the fundamentals are where everything gets all jacked up. So the Milky way is the center of our galaxy, which contains multiple universes?

 

[exiledking]

oh... ok.. well, shit you have the courage to ask then more power to you...

In the beginning, scientists have a theory that there was an event called the big bang. That was an explosion that hurled huge amounts of incredibly hot matter outwards in all directions. As time continued on, the matter cooled slightly, and started to kind of clump together. Those clumps are still moving outward, and as they were moving outward they started spinning around. Stars developed in those clumps of gas and matter, and those huge clumps turned into galaxies.

Our sun is in one of those galaxies. While the planets are spinning around the sun, the sun itself is rotating around the center of our galaxy, as are all of the other stars in our galaxy. So, it's not like other stars are going to fly by and crash into us or our sun. All of the stars in our galaxy are all spinning around the center of our galaxy, the same way that we are spinning around our sun.

There is also a huge huge distance between the stars. The closest star to us is still millions and millions of miles away.

Does that answer what you are asking?

pretty much, thanks.

 

[blackman8]

thanks, that's it. I know it's a simplistic question, but the fundamentals are where everything gets all jacked up. So the Milky way is the center of our galaxy, which contains multiple universes?

1 Universe, many galaxies. The Milky Way is the name of our galaxy.

 

[blackman8]

While the planets are spinning around the sun, the sun itself is rotating around the center of our galaxy, as are all of the other stars in our galaxy.

interesting, didn't know the sun rotated or had obirt, thx

 

[4ce of n8ur]

thanks, that's it. I know it's a simplistic question, but the fundamentals are where everything gets all jacked up. So the Milky way is the center of our galaxy, which contains multiple universes?

the milky way IS our galaxy. it's one of aout 200 billion galaxies that we theoretically observe. each galaxy has billions of stars like our sun or smaller and/or bigger.

the universe contains all these things. multiple universe are proposed theoretically but never confirmed by experiment. no one can say for certain that other universes like ours exist.

 

[APOPHIS]

OMG!

I guess he's not smarter than a 5th grader.
I love this board.

 

[exiledking]

1 Universe, many galaxies. The Milky Way is the name of our galaxy.

Got it. As stupid as that sounds, I had it backwards the whole time

 

[APOPHIS]

thanks, that's it. I know it's a simplistic question, but the fundamentals are where everything gets all jacked up. So the Milky way is the center of our galaxy, which contains multiple universes?

Damn fam you're all over the place.
The galaxy DOES NOT contain the universe. It's the other way around.

The Milky was IS our galaxy.
Our solar system is at the outer edge of the Milky Way, which is part of millions of other galaxies in the universe.

Got it, now?

 

[mealstrom]

So the Milky way is the center of our galaxy, which contains multiple universes?

Not multiple universes. Here's how it goes, starting from the smallest to the largest:

Planets spin on an axis, orbiting the sun - this is called a Solar System
Many, many, many solar systems (and other stuff) orbit what is likely a super black hole. This is called a galaxy.
Galaxies fly all around the universe - we haven't figured out a pattern yet but our best bet is that they're all flying away from each other due to the big bang. Sometimes they collide though.

So:
Solar systems are made up of planets, moons, etc
Galaxies are made up of solar systems
The Universe is made up of Galaxies (and everything else)

You want some facts that'll really blow your mind?
The earth is spinning at over 1000 mph
It's also orbiting around the sun at over 67,000 mph
Our solar system is orbiting the center of the galaxy at over 490,000 mph (That's right, our sun, the planets, etc are all traveling through space at 490,000 mph)

Crazy, huh?

 

[Trump7]

Not multiple universes. Here's how it goes, starting from the smallest to the largest:

Planets spin on an axis, orbiting the sun - this is called a Solar System
Many, many, many solar systems (and other stuff) orbit what is likely a super black hole. This is called a galaxy.
Galaxies fly all around the universe - we haven't figured out a pattern yet but our best bet is that they're all flying away from each other due to the big bang. Sometimes they collide though.

So:
Solar systems are made up of planets, moons, etc
Galaxies are made up of solar systems
The Universe is made up of Galaxies (and everything else)

You want some facts that'll really blow your mind?
The earth is spinning at over 1000 mph
It's also orbiting around the sun at over 67,000 mph
Our solar system is orbiting the center of the galaxy at over 490,000 mph (That's right, our sun, the planets, etc are all traveling through space at 490,000 mph)

Crazy, huh?

All this makes me wonder how they mapped the universe in Star Trek, how they came up with quadrants and what-not....

 

[4ce of n8ur]

All this makes me wonder how they mapped the universe in Star Trek, how they came up with quadrants and what-not....

it's sci-fi and it worked for what it was.

coming up with quadrants assumed that they had a large enough frame of reference to span galaxies and interstellar space.

i forgot what novel i read as a kid when the nigga time traveled into the past and found himself in the dead of space because once you time travel you "break" frame of reference, and the scientists forgot to account for celestial movement.

 

[mealstrom]

All this makes me wonder how they mapped the universe in Star Trek, how they came up with quadrants and what-not....

I'm about to show my inner geek. Both in Star Trek and in Star Wars they actually didn't map the universe - everything took place in their own galaxies. So the Star Trek world took place 100% inside our own galaxy. Star Wars took place in its own galaxy far, far away.

The crazy thing is that although we'll probably have the technology in the next 500 years to travel between stars in our own galaxy, but it will be a LOT longer than that before we can travel between galaxies. The distance is so huge that most of the galaxies we see out there are probably already long dead and gone, but it took the light billions of years to reach us. So what we see when we look up at other galaxies isn't actually the galaxies - it's how they looked a few million/billion years ago.

 

[APOPHIS]

All this makes me wonder how they mapped the universe in Star Trek, how they came up with quadrants and what-not....

The Delta quadrant contained those crazy ass Cardassians and Changelings whom sought to enslave the Bajorans.
Captain Sisko to the rescue!

 

[Djmarkxr7]

Damn fam you're all over the place.
The galaxy DOES NOT contain the universe. It's the other way around.

The Milky was IS our galaxy.
Our solar system is at the outer edge of the Milky Way, which is part of millions of other galaxies in the universe.

Got it, now?

Exactly. Our solar system is actually in one of the arms of our galaxy, the Milky Way.

From the outside, our galaxy closely resembles a hurricane with the center resembling a flattened ball.

In darker areas outside of major cities when you look up in the sky you can actually see our arm of the Milky Way.

And even though our solar system is technically "fixed" in our part of the galaxy, we still have comets and meteors that move on their own according to how gravity dictates.

Meteors hit the Earth all the time, they just burn up in our atmosphere.

We refer to them as "shooting stars".

Hope the pic helps!

 

[mealstrom]

 

[CharlieBrown]

The earth (and other planets) do not exactly orbit the sun (yes this is correct). They EACH orbit a point in space that is deterimed by their mutual gravitational attraction. The sun is just so much more massive than the earth and other planets that this point is actually WITHIN the sun. But ALL the objects (including the sun) orbit this point. So the sun sort of wobbles around it.

P.S don't look for science advice on a porn board !- most will be wrong, or at least wildly inaccurate and you will be dumber that when you started!

Go to Wolframs science and math page.

 

[Djmarkxr7]

The Delta quadrant contained those crazy ass Cardassians and Changelings whom sought to enslave the Bajorans.
Captain Sisko to the rescue!

Actually if I remember right, the Cardassians are from our quadrant (Alpha) but the Changelings were from the Delta Quadrant

 

[4ce of n8ur]

The earth (and other planets) do not exactly orbit the sun (yes this is correct). They EACH orbit a point in space that is deterimed by their mutual gravitational attraction. The sun is just so much more massive than the earth and other planets that this point is actually WITHIN the sun. But ALL the objects (including the sun) orbit this point. So the sun sort of wobbles around it.

P.S don't look for science advice on a porn board !- most will be wrong, or at least wildly inaccurate and you will be dumber that when you started!

Go to Wolframs science and math page.

this was why i referenced the gravitational equations. i think people on here knew this but decided not to mention it to a guy who thinks the universe exists inside galaxies. it only complicates what you're trying to explain.

newtonian gravity

sounds like you're talking newtonian and there are excpetions to newtonian gravity as i'm sure you know.

 

[dasmybikepunk]

The earth (and other planets) do not exactly orbit the sun (yes this is correct). They EACH orbit a point in space that is deterimed by their mutual gravitational attraction. The sun is just so much more massive than the earth and other planets that this point is actually WITHIN the sun. But ALL the objects (including the sun) orbit this point. So the sun sort of wobbles around it.

P.S don't look for science advice on a porn board !- most will be wrong, or at least wildly inaccurate and you will be dumber that when you started!

Go to Wolframs science and math page.

.....C/S but even simpler one word: Gravity!


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[ScorpDiesel]

Care to explain these equations? Enthrall me with ur scientific acumen.

this was why i referenced the gravitational equations. i think people on here knew this but decided not to mention it to a guy who thinks the universe exists inside galaxies. it only complicates what you're trying to explain.

newtonian gravity

sounds like you're talking newtonian and there are excpetions to newtonian gravity as i'm sure you know.

 

[4ce of n8ur]

Care to explain these equations? Enthrall me with ur scientific acumen.

i care not to explain as you came in here to clown and not to seriously discuss.

i obviously can explain this equation as i explained it in a previous post.

if you'd read instead of looking to clown you wouldn't be asking me now. and if you know what this equation is you don't need an explanation.

also, as you CAN PLAINLY SEE - It's NOT EQUATION(S) plural - It's ONE EQUATION expressed slightly differently to illustrate that gravity affects both referenced bodies. NOT TWO EQUATIONS - 1.