Reason # 1Why Obama better hope that his Buddies Health Care Bill's dont pass.

Chitownheadbusa

♏|God|♏
BGOL Investor
Im doing what i like to do......Im Hypothetically typing right now....lol
But considering the status quo of our Country and the fact that the Bill has already been passed in the House....the following scenario isn't far fetched .

Imma try to put this scenario as simple as possible...layman terms...your opinions are welcomed. Ill be posting more reason's as i read through the boring/BS Bill's. BTW...forgive my stats if they're a little off.

Reason #1
The Medicaid Eligibility Changes


Facts:

Medicaid is the largest source of funding for medical and health-related services for people with limited income in the United States.

The health care bills, that Obama cosigned, in both the House and Senate would expand Medicaid by upping the eligible poverty rate and adding new categories of eligibility. Some estimates have as many as 30 million new beneficiaries nationally, adding $500 billion in federal costs to the program.

Medicaid is a VOLUNTARY joint federal-state program.
About 60% paid by the Fed Gov. And 40% VOLUNTARILY being paid by the states.
(pay attention to the words in bold)

Despite what many of you may think, or what the CBO website tells you....theres no definite cost on Obama's current Health Care Reform.
Considering the rise in poor health in America, lets assume it will cost 2 Trillion over 10 years....thats excluding people that are already enrolled in government ran Health Programs.




Ok.......
Lets use one on many States thats in a very bad economical condition.

California.

The Fed government tells the folks that run California that they've changed the requirements for Medicaid. Now California must pay more money to cover new Medicaid enrollees.. i.e. people that are above the poverty line...but still need help paying for health Care.

The folks in California look at their current financial situation and think..."Hmm...We're already struggling with money. How can we afford to front 40% of 5+ million new Medicaid enrollees?

So now they do what they normally do when they run low on money. start pulling funds from other areas:

Education
Law Enforcement.
Etc.


Usually when funds get pulled from Educational Programs, Law Enforcement etc....the areas that feel it first are poor Black neighborhoods. Why? Well a lot, but not all of those type of areas dont have leadership and the people within those areas aren't educated enough and dont have the will to fight back.


Ok.....
let me try to wrap this up
So funds get pulled.....soon people start to complain to their Aldermen/Women, Mayor's, Governors, Etc. The state is starting to feel the pressure.

Considering the fact that theres a new 100% Fed Gov Funded health Care program...that Obama cosigned. And considering the fact that the current Medicaid Program is VOLUNTARY..California decides to opt out of the program and drop the Medicaid recipients that they do have into OBAMA NEW HEALTH CARE PROGRAM. Now they save millions and the people that they dropped stil have Health Care.

Now....The New Health Care Program that originally cost only 2 Trillion over 10 years...now jumps to 4 Trillion.

Oh.....dont forget about the 20+ million new citizens that we'll be getting within the next 4 years.
Add another half a Trilllion.

Ok........
What will happen?

Rationing of Health Care....?
Higher Taxes to front the higher Bill......?
Increasing debt owed to other countries due to borrowing of money...?
Blah Blah blah


Bottom line is Obama will get blamed for it all. Why? well because he didnt plan. He let a bunch of B Listers work out the Bill for him...now its filled with all kinds of BS. And when that BS plan crumbles....Obama will to take the blame.


LEGACY TARNISHED!!!!


Shout Out to Amateurs!
 
Last edited:
Is it just me or do you find it odd that muh fuckas never make this argument when billions and trillions of dollars are being spend on war or defense bullshit or for welfare for corporations and the super rich but wanna have you worried about spending when that spending is to benefit the working poor...ie most of us?

:smh:
 
Is it just me or do you find it odd that muh fuckas never make this argument when billions and trillions of dollars are being spend on war or defense bullshit or for welfare for corporations and the super rich but wanna have you worried about spending when that spending is to benefit the working poor...ie most of us?

:smh:

C/S

Didn't the Congress just pass a hugh military budget, something like $625 billion and no one made a peep about it? :confused:

Kats don't understand that even if the conservatives know this may be the right thing to do in the long run, they're not going to support it because that's how politics works... never agree with the opposite side. :smh::smh:
 
Is it just me or do you find it odd that muh fuckas never make this argument when billions and trillions of dollars are being spend on war or defense bullshit or for welfare for corporations and the super rich but wanna have you worried about spending when that spending is to benefit the working poor...ie most of us?

:smh:

you just do not get it.

THIS ISN'T THE WAY TO FIX HEALTH CARE. The war will not cost more than making a universal health care system. BTW, its not even about health care if you actually use common fucking sense. However, your hate towards this country, Bush, and overall life will blind you to the real situation.
 
Despite what many of you may think, or what the CBO website tells you ....theres no definite cost on Obama's current Health Care Reform.
Considering the rise in poor health in America, lets assume it will cost 2 Trillion over 10 years....thats excluding people that are already enrolled in government ran Health Programs.

  • What does the CBO tell us ???

  • What, if any, FACTS (not your opinion) do you have which controverts what ever the CBO is saying ???

  • What specifically do you mean by "considering the rise in poor health in America" ???

    • Does whatever it means consider that health insurance is designed to work as preventive
      medicine which encourages people to seek help early so as to prevent the costly, later ???

    • If your theory considers the "preventive effect" how does it factor into your cost analysis ???

  • What are the "FACTS" (not your opinion) which underly your assumptions ??? Are you just pulling shit out of mid-air ???

? ? ?
 
  • What does the CBO tell us ???

  • What, if any, FACTS (not your opinion) do you have which controverts what ever the CBO is saying ???

  • What specifically do you mean by "considering the rise in poor health in America" ???

    • Does whatever it means consider that health insurance is designed to work as preventive
      medicine which encourages people to seek help early so as to prevent the costly, later ???

    • If your theory considers the "preventive effect" how does it factor into your cost analysis ???

  • What are the "FACTS" (not your opinion) which underly your assumptions ??? Are you just pulling shit out of mid-air ???

? ? ?

heres one link on what im typing about......
http://uspoverty.change.org/blog/view/house_bill_expands_medicaid_to_15m_more_americans
Excuse the date.....the Medicaid change is in the current bill thats being voted on.



The CBO had the House Health Bill cost at $1.055 trillion over 10 years & the Senate at $849 Billion over 10 years ( they took and added a few billion on the Senate bill throughout the months). They said this less than 3 months ago. They claim that the cost will be a lot lower after they rip tax payers and employers off via penalties for not signing up for a plan. Yeah...theyre counting on that.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34017224/ns/politics-health_care_reform/
http://www.nasdaq.com/aspx/stock-market-news-story.aspx?storyid=200910291728dowjonesdjonline000980

As for what facts do i have to show that it wont be what they projected. Well...maybe u missed it because u can in this thread with your emotions flowing...like most Obama supporters do, but off top i stated that i was Hypothetically typing. There are no facts that say the cost will be higher than what they projected...but theres also no facts that say it will be what they projected. Considering the growing Health issues of most Americans....Im sure the cost would steady rise.

As for what i mean by "Poor health Conditions". Well...anyone that lives in America and has his/her eyes open can obviously see how unhealthy most Americans are...and wil continue to be. Why do you assume they'll change their ways?

Preventive Effect?
Take off the rose colored glasses when you examine how things work in this country buddy. There is never a true "preventive effect". If it was one...the government wouldnt be tryna get into the health care game. Why/ because there would be no money to earn.


i saw how you rallied when Obama was running for President.
:smh:@all these emotions from you people.

if you cant give your opinions on the question that i asked...which is How can struggling states pay for additional Medicaid enrollees when theyre already struggling financially & why wouldnt they opted out...then please stay out my thread....lol


people just dont wanna admit that Obama didnt plan for anything...now he's depending on B listers to construct his Legacy and fuck up our lives.
 
Last edited:
you just do not get it.

THIS ISN'T THE WAY TO FIX HEALTH CARE. The war will not cost more than making a universal health care system. BTW, its not even about health care if you actually use common fucking sense. However, your hate towards this country, Bush, and overall life will blind you to the real situation.

Oh? How do you "fix" health care? By mandating under criminal penalty that everyone purchase insurance from the very muh fuckas that fucked up the system in the first place? Dumb ass insurance brokers lickin they chops like they gonna get fat under this Obamination of a plan...idiots don't realize profits going to the top not into their pockets. The issue is what does health care currently cost? where does that money go? do we have better or worse health care in a for profit system. who in their right mind would want profits and stockholders determining what type of health care they receive? The almighty "market" you morons genuflect to is not the place to determine ANY social program least of all health care.
 
heres one link on what im typing about......
http://uspoverty.change.org/blog/view/house_bill_expands_medicaid_to_15m_more_americans
Excuse the date.....the Medicaid change is in the current bill thats being voted on.



The CBO had the House Health Bill cost at $1.055 trillion over 10 years & the Senate at $849 Billion over 10 years ( they took and added a few billion on the Senate bill throughout the months). They said this less than 3 months ago. They claim that the cost will be a lot lower after they rip tax payers and employers off via penalties for not signing up for a plan. Yeah...theyre counting on that.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34017224/ns/politics-health_care_reform/
http://www.nasdaq.com/aspx/stock-market-news-story.aspx?storyid=200910291728dowjonesdjonline000980

As for what facts do i have to show that it wont be what they projected. Well...maybe u missed it because u can in this thread with your emotions flowing...like most Obama supporters do, but off top i stated that i was Hypothetically typing. There are no facts that say the cost will be higher than what they projected...but theres also no facts that say it will be what they projected. Considering the growing Health issues of most Americans....Im sure the cost would steady rise.

As for what i mean by "Poor health Conditions". Well...anyone that lives in America and has his/her eyes open can obviously see how unhealthy most Americans are...and wil continue to be. Why do you assume they'll change their ways?

Preventive Effect?
Take off the rose colored glasses when you examine how things work in this country buddy. There is never a true "preventive effect". If it was one...the government wouldnt be tryna get into the health care game. Why/ because there would be no money to earn.


i saw how you rallied when Obama was running for President.
:smh:@all these emotions from you people.

if you cant give your opinions on the question that i asked...which is How can struggling states pay for additional Medicaid enrollees when theyre already struggling financially & why wouldnt they opted out...then please stay out my thread....lol


people just dont wanna admit that Obama didnt plan for anything...now he's depending on B listers to construct his Legacy and fuck up our lives.

Like I thought. Mostly opinion unsupported by facts or reasonable inferences from those facts. In another context, even you might call this exactly what it is.

QueEx
 
Like I thought. Mostly opinion unsupported by facts or reasonable inferences from those facts. In another context, even you might call this exactly what it is.

QueEx


i gave you some facts
but anyways...good luck with persuading people with reasons why he should be President for a second term. Cause right now..i dont see any.
 
Back
Top