Real Estate Bubble In Full Effect!..This is not the time to buy. Flippers be warned!

afroyale said:
Funny... I just picked up something for 390K and I ReFi it at 640K. I pulled out of that 100K of tax free funds cause borrowed money is tax free and the interest I pay is a write off ( got one of the ARM loans)... I have a tenet in the home paying rent ($1800) and my note is $1398.00 from Sec8! Maybe it is this way where you live and if so BUY! Man Buy as much as you can! But it is not this way in L.A., CA!
Let say the market change for me... I will buy as many as I can and wait for the market to change again!
There is never a bad time to buy!
"LICK"
 
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Lick said:
Funny... I just picked up something for 390K and I ReFi it at 640K. I pulled out of that 100K of tax free funds cause borrowed money is tax free and the interest I pay is a write off ( got one of the ARM loans)... I have a tenet in the home paying rent ($1800) and my note is $1398.00 from Sec8! Maybe it is this way where you live and if so BUY! Man Buy as much as you can! But it is not this way in L.A., CA!
Let say the market change for me... I will buy as many as I can and wait for the market to change again!
There is never a bad time to buy!
"LICK"

Co-Sign with equity.

If prices are dropping that is the time to buy and WAIT before you resell.I am glad people beleive the press though. I make money off of the programmed.

What happenes is that people get homes they can barely afford with an ARM. When the fed adjusts up, house payments go up. Foreclosures rise and the banks dump off the houses at whatever they loaned on it. This is a wholesale price. This sale , usually lower than the mkt value,then makes a comparable (a sale within a square mile of the subject property) lower. This reflects as values going down. What we are seeing is not a bursting bubble but a market adjustment. Housing prices have quadruppled in the last ten years, that cannot keep happening.

I am in Florida....bought a house for 435000.00 and now its worth 620000.00.
 
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You are assuming that it would go back up anytime soon. The time to buy is after it bottoms out, not during the fall.

‘Housing Bubble Has Started To Deflate’: Fortune

This Fortune piece has people talking about the housing bubble. “The great housing bubble has finally started to deflate, and the fall will be harder in some markets than others. The stories keep piling up. In many once-sizzling markets around the country, accounts of dropping list prices have replaced tales of waiting lists for unbuilt condos and bidding wars over humdrum three-bedroom colonials.”

“The message is clear. Five years of superheated price gains rescued America from stock market collapse, put billions in consumers’ pockets, and ignited a building boom that bolstered the nation’s economy. But it’s over. The great housing bubble has finally started to deflate.”

“Contracts are being canceled, deals are drying up, prices are starting to drop. The psychology is shifting even as thousands of new homes and condos join the for-sale listings each day, so the downward pressure will only get worse.”

“Things are suddenly looking very chilly indeed in four coastal cities; Boston, Washington, Miami and San Diego, as well as three Western boomtowns: Phoenix, Las Vegas and Sacramento. So far this year, monthly sales have fallen 11 percent to 25 percent in Miami, Boston, northern Virginia and San Diego.”

“The prognosis is even worse in Phoenix, where only 4,500 homes sold in the first three months of 2006, vs. 6,100 for the same period last year, and in Sacramento, where new-home sales plunged 57 percent in the first quarter.”

“The problem is as basic as beams and trusses: The triple threat of soaring prices, higher mortgage rates and relentlessly rising property taxes has drastically increased the cost of ownership and put many homes out of reach for a huge number of potential buyers.”

“With houses hovering beyond the reach of most potential purchasers, formerly frantic markets grow eerily calm. Sales shrink as buyers float low-ball offers, and sellers refuse them. Realtors and mortgage brokers find other jobs. The bubble areas turn into Dead Zones.”

“There’s no mystery about what it will take to close the affordability gap and bring the markets back to life: Prices will have to come down, and incomes will have to move up. The only question is how much of the adjustment will come from rising incomes and how much from falling prices.”

“Many individual homeowners have nothing to worry about: They can simply stay put and ride out the cycle. The only thing they’ll lose is the opportunity to brag about their paper profits. The real losers will be those who bought recently at inflated prices and are forced to sell, usually because they’re taking a job in another city or can’t make the payments when their adjustable mortgage rate jumps. And speculators who bought overpriced condos in hope of a quick killing are going to get hosed.”

http://thehousingbubbleblog.com/?p=613
 
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afroyale said:
You are assuming that it would go back up anytime soon. The time to buy is after it bottoms out, not during the fall.

Im a newbie in the game, and I have educating myself so that once I have that opportunity I will know what to do.....but just going by what I know about business period I would have to agree with afroyale.
 
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afroyale said:
You are assuming that it would go back up anytime soon. The time to buy is after it bottoms out, not during the fall.
Bruh... Ya don't remember the late 80's early 90's??? Well... I don't know how things are in your neck of the woods, but I'm in LALA land... Check out this link; http://www.cbs2.com/video/?id=17993@kcbs.dayport.com
"KICK" :dance:
 
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afroyale said:
You are assuming that it would go back up anytime soon. The time to buy is after it bottoms out, not during the fall.


I haven't assumed anything

I am an investor, I know.

How does one know when it has bottomed out? Is there a commercial on TV?

I'm being a little flippant. not rude.
A person would have to know housing prices over a period of time.

The point I was making is that for anybody serious about this do your own homework.

Don't read too many articles before you get out there and do it yourself. Most of the articles that come out are to MANIPULATE THE PUBLIC and create trends.

Thanks for posting this topic.
 
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Screwston_Native said:
Im a newbie in the game, and I have educating myself so that once I have that opportunity I will know what to do.....but just going by what I know about business period I would have to agree with afroyale.
My brother... It is good that you are getting down with the information. So you may want to add this to your list of reading; Missed Fortune by Douglas R. Andrew. After you become an owner this one will show you how to max out your goods.
Stay up! "LICK" :cool:
 
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SpiritualPorn said:
I am in Florida....bought a house for 435000.00 and now its worth 620000.00.

SP,

i was looking to buy another home near orlando... what do you know about the orange county market?
 
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SpiritualPorn said:
Co-Sign with equity.

If prices are dropping that is the time to buy and WAIT before you resell.I am glad people beleive the press though. I make money off of the programmed.

What happenes is that people get homes they can barely afford with an ARM. When the fed adjusts up, house payments go up. Foreclosures rise and the banks dump off the houses at whatever they loaned on it. This is a wholesale price. This sale , usually lower than the mkt value,then makes a comparable (a sale within a square mile of the subject property) lower. This reflects as values going down. What we are seeing is not a bursting bubble but a market adjustment. Housing prices have quadruppled in the last ten years, that cannot keep happening.

I am in Florida....bought a house for 435000.00 and now its worth 620000.00.
Dawg... You are a 100% right... Prices are adjusting and it is different from City to City. Here in the Valley, the prices are a bit lower, but nothing to write a song about. It is a little slower but when it was fast I could put a home on the market and it was sold in less than a week and for more than the asking price. Now if you put a home on the market, it may be there for a week or two and that varies from City to City here as well.
Dawg… We need to talk… If and when it go down a bit more I would like to invest out there… I hear the around the Orlando area the hurricanes don’t hit. Is that true? “LICK”
 
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cranrab said:
SP,

i was looking to buy another home near orlando... what do you know about the orange county market?

Dude, you're counting virtual money. The RE market has cooled down and devaluating rapidly. There's gonna be (if not already) more sellers wanting to cashout, but very few people are looking to buy at such inflated prices. Good if you think your house is worth $620K, but go ahead and list it. Try and sell it right now at that price, and then you'd know what you're facing. Good luck homie.
 
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afroyale said:


Did you listen to the report before posting the link? :smh:

Yeah my brother... The link was from our local news station about most owners converting their apartment into Condos. Condominiums are slow to sell in the Real Estate market here in Los Angeles until now. So the as this Real Estate market go through this adjusting period, the Condominiums are moving very well. To the point of a lot of owners (Like in the City of Long Beach) are changing the buildings and them selling them instead of collecting rents.
Yeah… I see that reporter on money issues almost everyday…
Shit... Let me check... Did I post the wrong one???? “LICK”
 
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Lick said:
Yeah my brother... The link was from our local news station about most owners converting their apartment into Condos. Condominiums are slow to sell in the Real Estate market here in Los Angeles until now. So the as this Real Estate market go through this adjusting period, the Condominiums are moving very well. To the point of a lot of owners (Like in the City of Long Beach) are changing the buildings and them selling them instead of collecting rents.
Yeah… I see that reporter on money issues almost everyday…
Shit... Let me check... Did I post the wrong one???? “LICK”

Well, I didn't get an optimistic tone from that report. Whatever. Good Luck meyyan. I am gonna wait until this insane prices fall way down. Then pick up a couple from the bargain bin.
 
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afroyale said:


Did you listen to the report before posting the link? :smh:

Dude... I just looked at the video and yeah... Are you talking about the flatting that was said in the video about the market? No biggie burh. Like the man said... You give yourself more room to protect your principle investment.
Look my brother, if you think it will go down then so be it… You and a whole lot of people have been saying it since 2001 here. I say, let it. When it does I will be there to buy more… The ones I have now are all housed in LLC’s and the mortgages are paid buy my tenants.
I at about 60% loan to value on the give or take a few dollars here and there. But the money I pulled out are in other vehicles. So no worries. Stay up my brother. “LICK”
 
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afroyale said:

Well, I didn't get an optimistic tone from that report. Whatever. Good Luck meyyan. I am gonna wait until this insane prices fall way down. Then pick up a couple from the bargain bin.
I hear ya Dawg… In my neck of the woods the supply is smaller than the demand. Therefore the prices are still up there and strong. We don’t have the room out here and ya know they ain’t making no more dirt. So buy my brother… Buy and sit… I think that is it… I don’t flip them. I hold them and then go buy more… I don’t trade up ether… So it is not the same for me. Stay up Dawg! “LICK”
 
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cranrab said:
SP,

i was looking to buy another home near orlando... what do you know about the orange county market?


I deal mostly in the Ft. Laud and Miami areas.

Orlando is a whole different animal though.

Let me talk to a realtor I know this morning
 
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Lick said:
My brother... It is good that you are getting down with the information. So you may want to add this to your list of reading; Missed Fortune by Douglas R. Andrew. After you become an owner this one will show you how to max out your goods.
Stay up! "LICK" :cool:

Appreciate that recommendation, Im always looking for educational tools.
 
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afroyale said:

Dude, you're counting virtual money. The RE market has cooled down and devaluating rapidly. There's gonna be (if not already) more sellers wanting to cashout, but very few people are looking to buy at such inflated prices. Good if you think your house is worth $620K, but go ahead and list it. Try and sell it right now at that price, and then you'd know what you're facing. Good luck homie.


I have a current appraisal that tells me it's worth 620,000.00. An appraisal requires three comparables within the same community that have sold in the last six months. Obviously home sales are continuing where I am.

In addition why would I sell it? I can refi or cash out the equity tax free.

I have been doing this the better part of 13 years and I have seen the trends. The reports that come out are usually a national average with city by city breakdowns. That does not take into consideration properties that are in demand in particular locations in those communities. For example there is an area here called Wilton Manors where a lot of redevelopment is taking place. The property values there are shooting up like crazy. Half a mile away you will find exactly the opposite.

Because of lower interest rates and exotic mtgs,people were able to "afford" higher home prices. There was exessive demand created by the FEDS which led to a SELLERS MARKET. This resulted in home prices being inflated and to spike. That trend had to adjust. The way things were going houses were gaining 100% every 4 years.

Alot of people get in the industry during those times. When there is a slowdown, they get out.

Most of the reports come from Real Estate and Lending institutions. That is why I say a person must see for themselves.

Its not devaluement, its adjusting to reflect a 60 year trend.
 
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‘Buyers Reluctant To Overpay’ In Miami

ABC has this preview of a show on flipping in Florida. “‘Flipping’ in real estate lingo means buying and quickly reselling properties for big profits. In south Florida and other popular real estate markets, it got to the point where people were buying and flipping contracts on condos before they’d even been built.”

“Mark Zilbert, a Miami real estate broker, estimates that at one point, up to 80 percent of condo purchases were purely speculative investments, made by people with no plans to ever live in one of the tens of thousands of new condos transforming the Miami skyline.”

“By last winter the Florida real estate market had taken a dramatic turn. ‘It stopped, frozen. Selling investment property was very difficult,’ said realtor and investor Peter Celnicker.”

“Celnicker came to Florida as the market was soaring. Then, almost overnight, the market changed. ‘I mean, it was really that quick. [It] went from an absolute seller’s market where you could sell a property literally in 24 hours to a buyer’s market where it can take three, four months to sell a property,’ Celnicker said.”

“There are a lot of unknowns today in south Florida real estate, where there’s concern that words like ‘hot’ and ‘flip’ may soon be replaced with ‘chilly’ and ’stalled.’ One reason: Experts now say Miami Beach has perhaps the most overvalued real estate in America.”

“‘Construction costs have gone up, prices have gone up and so there is a point, we think, that buyers are reluctant to overpay for an apartment, especially when there’s an oversupply,’ said Zilbert.”

“He remembers the moment he realized the market was changing. ‘There was a day that I woke up at the launch of a new building, and I contacted my clients and I sent out my e-mails and I did my advertising, and not a single person wanted it. Not a single person showed up. And the feedback was, ‘I think prices are gettin’ outta control,’ Zilbert said.”

“Celnicker agrees that desperation has hit the south Florida real estate market. ‘I think there’s going to be a lot of desperate sellers,’ he said. And speculative investors who bought into the high-priced, preconstruction condo market in south Florida may be in for a rough ride, Celnicker believes.”

“Buyers, Zilbert says, are becoming more cautious. ‘There’s not a day that goes by that I don’t take a buyer to a property he or she will find something he absolutely adores, wants to purchase it, but at the end of every conversation is, ‘I think I’m going to wait six months and see what happens.’”

“If you’re ready to buy a south Florida residence right now, the market could be working in your favor. Take those Delray Beach condos launched last summer. It turns out 40 percent of those units are still available, and some of the prices have dropped dramatically. That’s good news for new buyers, but not so good for those who paid $100,000 more just eight months ago.”

http://thehousingbubbleblog.com/?p=624




How Smart Is 'Flipping' Real Estate?

Buyers Take Risks in Overheated Markets

— - Though the temperature hit 100 degrees in Delray Beach, Fla., last summer, eager buyers lined up and waited outdoors for days.

Was it Springsteen tickets? A free tank of gas? Neither of these.

Watch "20/20" Friday night at 10 p.m. ET

The men and women waiting for this modern-day gold rush to begin were looking to buy condominiums in south Florida, a real estate market that over the past four years has become one of the hottest in America.

But is it overheated?

New Jersey native Jay Lutz didn't think so when he and his wife purchased a condo unit in Delray Beach's Pineapple Grove Village that he never planned to move into.

"We didn't get our first choice or our second choice, but we're pretty happy with what we got," Lutz said.

Like other buyers, the Lutz family was happy to spend $350,000 for a one-bedroom condo and up to $800,000 for a three-bedroom unit -- only to resell those units immediately.

"If I can get a buyer and I can flip it right away, I'll do it," Lutz said.

"Flipping" in real estate lingo means buying and quickly reselling properties for big profits. In south Florida and other popular real estate markets, it got to the point where people were buying and flipping contracts on condos before they'd even been built.

Big Returns on Investments Seduce Buyers

The preconstruction market in Miami has seen some of the highest investor returns in the United States. "People are seeing 2, 3, 400 percent returns on what they invest in a construction condo -- over about a year," Mark Zilbert, a Miami real estate broker, said last year.

"What kind of drives the desirability in the Miami area is where the waterfront locations are," Zilbert said.

Zilbert estimates that at one point, up to 80 percent of condo purchases were purely speculative investments, made by people with no plans to ever live in one of the tens of thousands of new condos transforming the Miami skyline.

Though some people who bought in plush waterfront towers intended to move in, the profit potential became too tempting. That's what happened to condo owner Darryl Randall.

Showing the "20/20" crew around his condominium in downtown Miami Beach, Randall said, "This three-bedroom unit was purchased originally at $1.1 million, and right now we have it listed right at $1.8. Planned on staying here forever, but $700,000 is $700,000. And in a market like this, it's time to move up and move out."

But Randall's condo languished on the market for months. Then he sweetened the deal by throwing in all the furnishings and his $125,000 dollar Maserati. It worked.

"And the final selling price was $2.3 million," Randall said.

Despite the hefty sale price, having to throw in those enticing extras after the condo sat on the market for months may have been a sign that the south Florida real estate market was weakening.

And some speculative buyers were getting cold feet. Shortly after the Lutz family put a down payment on a new condo, they decided it was too pricey and got their money back.

A Sudden Change in the Climate

All the little signs were adding up, and by last winter the Florida real estate market had taken a dramatic turn.

"It stopped, frozen. Selling investment property was very difficult," said realtor and investor Peter Celnicker.

Celnicker came to Florida as the market was soaring. After five years of savvy buying, he said that by last summer he was a millionaire -- at least on paper.

Then, almost overnight, the market changed.

"I mean, it was really that quick. [It] went from an absolute seller's market where you could sell a property literally in 24 hours to a buyer's market where it can take three, four months to sell a property," Celnicker said.

Celnicker attributes the chill to higher interest rates and a punishing Florida hurricane season. But he and his investment partners had put some money aside, rented out all their properties, and weathered what they hope is the worst of it.

"I knew as long as I could ride out those first couple of months, then I'd be safe," Celnicker said.

There are a lot of unknowns today in south Florida real estate, where there's concern that words like "hot" and "flip" may soon be replaced with "chilly" and "stalled."

One reason: Experts now say Miami Beach has perhaps the most overvalued real estate in America.

"Construction costs have gone up, prices have gone up and so there is a point, we think, that buyers are reluctant to overpay for an apartment -- especially when there's an oversupply," said Zilbert.

He remembers the moment he realized the market was changing.

"There was a day that I woke up at the launch of a new building, and I contacted my clients and I sent out my e-mails and I did my advertising, and not a single person wanted it. Not a single person showed up. And the feedback was, 'I think prices are gettin' outta control,'" Zilbert said.

But even in harder real estate times, Zilbert has a way to make money and, he said. He can bail out investors who may have gotten in too deep. His Web site, CondoFlip.com, can connect desperate sellers with "vultures," people who are ready to buy at a low price.

And he's recently added something called the panic button.

"The CondoFlip panic button gives the seller an option -- push the panic button and then we have vultures lined up, and it's something that is going to probably happen more often than we would like to see. And people will lose some money," said Zilbert.

Celnicker agrees that desperation has hit the south Florida real estate market. "I think there's going to be a lot of desperate sellers," he said.

And speculative investors who bought into the high-priced, preconstruction condo market in south Florida may be in for a rough ride, Celnicker believes. But he won't be one of them because he bought low-end properties that can be rented to cover costs if there's a downturn in the real estate market.

"This is not a 'get rich quick' thing. This is a minimum two- to three-year investment. Real estate is a long-term investment vehicle, and you have to be prepared for contingencies. And if you are, then I think it's a very safe investment. But if you're just jumping in because your neighbor made $50,000, you could get stung," Celnicker said.

Buyers, Zilbert says, are becoming more cautious. "There's not a day that goes by that I don't take a buyer to a property he or she will find something he absolutely adores, wants to purchase it, but at the end of every conversation is, 'I think I'm going to wait six months and see what happens.'"

Some realtors say even if the "flipping" frenzy has cooled for some investment speculators, Florida's got an ace in the hole. It's still a place where people want to buy homes and condos they actually plan to live in.

"We have a thousand people moving to Florida every single day. Then add to that all the vacation, the second-home buyers from Europe and around the world," Zilbert said.

If you're ready to buy a south Florida residence right now, the market could be working in your favor.

Take those Delray Beach condos launched last summer. It turns out 40 percent of those units are still available, and some of the prices have dropped dramatically.

That's good news for new buyers, but not so good for those who paid $100,000 more just eight months ago.

But, after all, no one ever said buying real estate came without risks.

http://www.abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=1923550&page=1
 
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Buyers Abandoning Ship In Washington

Sold -- or Not: When Home Buyers Walk
Some Will Give Up Thousands to Get Out of This Market

By Sandra Fleishman
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, May 6, 2006; D01

As the housing market cools, builders are reporting that more people are walking away from contracts and from tens of thousands of dollars in deposits.

Wall Street analysts say the Washington market is among those seeing the highest percentages of buyers abandoning ship -- more than double last year's rate, according to one research firm, and perhaps as high as one in three new-home buyers in some places. And nationally, some big builders are beginning to report cancellation rates upward of 25 percent.

When a housing market is hot and prices increase, as they did dramatically over the past five years here, cancellations are rare and builders generally aren't concerned because they can typically sell the units at even higher prices. But if the market is slowing, as it has been this year, builders may need to add incentives such as upgrades and price cuts to move their product. That reduces profit but provides opportunities for people who couldn't afford to buy before.

Hanley Wood Market Intelligence, a home-building research firm, this week said that its latest survey of builders showed that the cancellation rate for the Washington area in March more than doubled from a year earlier, jumping to 12.7 percent from 5.1 percent.

"But 10 to 15 percent of people deciding to cancel is not going to be unusual most of the time," said Jonathan Dienhart, Hanley Wood's director of research. "It's just that in the last couple years when we had unusually high demand, where people could just buy a property and flip it, there were fewer cancellations. It's not a cakewalk anymore."

The survey shows the cancellation rate locally highest in Fairfax County, at 30.9 percent, compared with 0.8 percent a year ago. Half of condominium buyers there canceled, compared with no cancellations a year ago. When the statistics are looked at by a single county or type of housing for one month, however, the number of transactions is small.

People who are buying for investments rather than residences are the most likely to bail out, experts said. They reason that it would be better to lose a deposit than to go ahead with an investment that could lose value, particularly if builders are cutting prices in the same or nearby projects.

Typically, buyers of new homes pay upfront deposits calculated either as flat amounts as low as $1,000 or as a percentage of the price, generally about 5 percent of the home price. In recent years, some builders increased deposits to discourage speculators and get more upfront cash from desperate buyers. Some require deposits of 7.5 to 10 percent.

Despite the pain of giving up that much money, some buyers are canceling to cut their losses because builders are pricing the same houses for so much less, Alexandria lawyer James C. "Beau" Brincefield Jr. said.

"I have seen people literally walk away from $125,000 deposits rather than go forward with the closing because the value of a house identical to their own was being sold by the builder for $100,000 less," said Brincefield, who is preparing litigation for buyers who want to sue builders to get their deposits back.

And builders are trying to make it harder for people to split, lawyers and real estate agents said. While contracts "always favor the builder" and are always hard to contest, now that it is harder to resell, "builders are fighting attempts to get the deposit back tooth and nail," Washington lawyer John Gerardo said.

"It's getting really kind of scary right now because builders are waving their sabers," said Christine Cormack, owner of brokerage Keller Williams Realty in Ashburn and a real estate investor. "They're holding people to contracts." That can include going to court to force closings.

Gopal Ahluwalia, director of research for the National Association of Home Builders, said his group's surveys show cancellation rates increasing nationwide, but not as much as others have estimated.

His April survey of builders found that 5 percent reported a "substantially" higher cancellation rate in March than a year earlier and 14 percent a "somewhat higher" rate. Seven percent said they were seeing fewer cancellations. Twenty percent of those surveyed reported cancellation rates of more than 6 percent.

While some speculators have decided they won't get their return and are walking, other buyers are canceling because rising interest rates have made the purchase unaffordable, Ahluwalia said.

"Consumers are starting to get cold feet because they think prices are not going to go up, based on what they read in the papers and what they see in the media. But I think the biggest thing is probably the interest rate hikes and the fear that 'I can't afford this,' " he said.

Credit Suisse First Boston stock analyst Ivy Zelman this week said big builders nationally are reporting cancellation percentage rates in the mid- to high 20s, compared with the mid- to high teens of a year ago. Executives from Pulte Homes, for example, said in an April 27 conference call with analysts that cancellations reached 27 percent in the most recent quarter, vs. 18 percent a year ago.

Builders with high deposits, such as luxury developer Toll Brothers Inc., say their practices have discouraged speculation and have resulted in fewer cancellations -- about 8.5 percent nationally, company executives said in a conference call yesterday. Toll Brothers requires 7.5 percent in earnest money plus a deposit for upgrades.

While some deals may have turned sour for the original buyers, that can be heartening to those looking for bargains. Builders are offering more incentives to buy, including price cuts and free upgrades.

Zelman expressed confidence in the Washington market in the long term because of its job growth and limited availability of land but said: "It will take some time to blow out this inventory. . . . People have got to lower their prices."

Other analysts have also said the Washington market is in stronger shape than most urban centers because of low unemployment; strong job creation; and house prices that are low compared with California, New York and Boston.

"It is true that the resale market has softened and that the number of listings jumped to nearly triple what it was last year," said Kenneth Wenhold, director of Metrostudy's Virginia-Maryland division. "However, last year was an unusual situation, with very few units listed for sale, resulting in bidding wars on properties. Now sales are still strong, but buyers have more choices."

He said, "Metrostudy's most recent first quarter 2006 research indicates that the new housing market is still performing very well and is almost as healthy as spring of 2005."

His study found an 11.8-month supply of new-home inventory in the region, but he said the number is "misleading, since the vast majority of the supply consists of thousands of condominium units that are under development in Fairfax and Arlington counties in Virginia."

Remove condos from the picture, he said, and inventories drop to a more-normal 7.2-month supply.

Gregory H. Leisch, chief executive of condo research firm Delta Associates, said that Hanley Wood's 12.7 percent cancellation rate may be low because of how it is calculated and could be as high as 18 percent. "But that's not an alarming figure," he said.

In looking at 1976, 1983 and 1990, when the housing market experienced "its worst points, right after a go-go period, cancellations might be at 25 percent and we're nowhere near that today," Leisch said. "We've returned to the norm."

Hanley Wood's survey showed the Sacramento area with the highest cancellation rate, 28 percent, up from 2.6 percent in March 2005. Rates in Las Vegas, Denver, Phoenix and Orange County, Calif., also were higher than those in the Washington area.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/05/AR2006050501516.html
 
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Afro,

Your articles underscore my point.

The devaluing has primarily happened with condos. I would tell anyone to stay far the hell away from condos unless you are a long time investor. The comparable home sales in condos are more negatively affected by slowdowns and foreclosures because there is very little diversity between one condo and the next (bed and bath numbers) The new home builders were also a target for flippers. You can usually sell the home for 20 -40 percent more that you paid to build it. With a market adjustment people are not as willing to be as speculative. The builders are complaining because their PROFITS ARE DOWN, not because they are LOSING MONEY. There is a difference.

The market was overheating.. This slowdown is a godsend. It has been anticipated. The people I tak to have been waiting for this for a while.

I was doing loans when the prime was 8.5% and sub prime started out at 12.5 on a thirty year fixed. THAT WAS SLOW. This adjustment is not even one tenth as bad as those times of high interest.

Let me break it down even further for you. Some real "inside dirt" that you will never read about.

There are some groups that target an area. They will go in and buy 7 houses under different names in the same area. They will then sell those same houses TO BUYERS THEY CONTROL AT INFLATED VALUES. This causes properties to artifically increase in value outside of the trend. This causes a sellers market and is a que for investors,like the sharks they are, to target the same area for flipping.

I hate flipping. I am a long term investor. Flipping brings in the quick buck artists that do all kinds of illegal crazy shit that puts heat (State Attny )on the low key guys like myself.

Flipping also has its good points. When the flipped homes go into foreclosure banks will sell them for less than they borrowed. Some times as low as 60 cents on the dollar. You need to have strong capital reserves to really play the game right and avoid trouble. This is a dirty business.

Exisisting home sales are the best investment right now. Go to city hall and find out the redevelopment schedule and planned communities permits in your city. Thats where the gold. Every one and their uncle shows up at the foreclosure auction sales. Stay off the beaten path.

Again Afro, I am not really trying to get into a debate with you and judging from the articles you posted, you arent talking out of your ass. You have done some homework. Just remember the media does not report what is happening, it reports what it WANTS to happen.

The articles have truth in them however they are like eating crab legs. You gotta do a whole lotta work to get a little meat.

Reading is good but does not take the place of experience and manifestation. Reading might help you win a debate, however experience will make you money. Its the difference between looking at porn or Halle Berry on the way over to your house. :yes:
 
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SpiritualPorn said:
Afro,

Your articles underscore my point.

The devaluing has primarily happened with condos. I would tell anyone to stay far the hell away from condos unless you are a long time investor. The comparable home sales in condos are more negatively affected by slowdowns and foreclosures because there is very little diversity between one condo and the next (bed and bath numbers) The new home builders were also a target for flippers. You can usually sell the home for 20 -40 percent more that you paid to build it. With a market adjustment people are not as willing to be as speculative. The builders are complaining because their PROFITS ARE DOWN, not because they are LOSING MONEY. There is a difference.

The market was overheating.. This slowdown is a godsend. It has been anticipated. The people I tak to have been waiting for this for a while.

I was doing loans when the prime was 8.5% and sub prime started out at 12.5 on a thirty year fixed. THAT WAS SLOW. This adjustment is not even one tenth as bad as those times of high interest.

Let me break it down even further for you. Some real "inside dirt" that you will never read about.

There are some groups that target an area. They will go in and buy 7 houses under different names in the same area. They will then sell those same houses TO BUYERS THEY CONTROL AT INFLATED VALUES. This causes properties to artifically increase in value outside of the trend. This causes a sellers market and is a que for investors,like the sharks they are, to target the same area for flipping.

I hate flipping. I am a long term investor. Flipping brings in the quick buck artists that do all kinds of illegal crazy shit that puts heat (State Attny )on the low key guys like myself.

Flipping also has its good points. When the flipped homes go into foreclosure banks will sell them for less than they borrowed. Some times as low as 60 cents on the dollar. You need to have strong capital reserves to really play the game right and avoid trouble. This is a dirty business.

Exisisting home sales are the best investment right now. Go to city hall and find out the redevelopment schedule and planned communities permits in your city. Thats where the gold. Every one and their uncle shows up at the foreclosure auction sales. Stay off the beaten path.

Again Afro, I am not really trying to get into a debate with you and judging from the articles you posted, you arent talking out of your ass. You have done some homework. Just remember the media does not report what is happening, it reports what it WANTS to happen.

The articles have truth in them however they are like eating crab legs. You gotta do a whole lotta work to get a little meat.

Reading is good but does not take the place of experience and manifestation. Reading might help you win a debate, however experience will make you money. Its the difference between looking at porn or Halle Berry on the way over to your house. :yes:


You seem to know your RE :yes:, and I might try your tips. However, I think the media is not even reporting half the truth. I think the situation is actually worse than they've portrayed it due to other factors -- Iraq, rising oil prices, incomes not rising in comparison to housing costs, weak dollar etc. etc. I'm not trying to forecast a doomsday scenario, but if I were someone who has a $500K mortgage today and make only $60K per year, I'd be shitting in my pants. A lot of RE amateurs got carried away within the past 5 years, and that's what is gonna crash the market.

For those on the sidelines like myself, just hold and keep on saving.
 
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Speculators Told ‘Get Out As Fast As Possible’

More big media are jumping on the housing bubble bandwagon. “There are signs a housing slowdown that has gripped certain high-growth markets during the past few quarters, is now spreading nationwide. Preliminary reports from builders Hovnanian and Toll Brothers indicate demand is falling faster and more sharply than previously thought, and that the pullback is no longer confined to hot markets that had seen sharp home price run-ups in the past few years.”

“On top of this, some builders, such as Centex Corp. and Hovnanian, have started taking writedowns in connection with land options. In general, when builders take writedowns to walk away from land options, it is a sign that either land values are falling or demand in that market has dried up. In past cycles, declining land values often were a sign that a market was falling fast.”

“Analyst John Tomlinson found sales fell year over year in every market during February and March. Washington, D.C., Los Angeles/Long Beach, Tucson, Ariz., Sacramento, San Francisco, and Phoenix saw the biggest declines with sales falling 22%, 50%, 50%, 46%, 30%, and 37%, respectively.”

“However, even markets that hadn’t been weak previously, such as Philadelphia, Dallas, and Las Vegas, softened in the quarter, with sales falling 30%, 15%, and 13%, respectively, he said.”

“So far, builders’ efforts to offer more incentives and discounts have ‘failed to move the needle’ in driving sales, Mr. Tomlinson said. As a result, he said some may need to resort to bigger price discounts.”

“‘We were building at a pace that we did not expect to be sustained and we’re seeing a slowdown,’ Bernard Markstein, director of forecasting at the National Association of Home Builders said. He expects builders to slow their pace of construction to meet the softer demand.”

“However, many builders aren’t cutting back, and are instead talking about opening many new communities in order to drive order growth. Toll Brothers, for example, plans to open 80 communities during the next six months, and expects to wrap up fiscal 2006 with 295 subdivisions, up from 230 in fiscal 2005.”

“Each day brings fresh evidence of peaking home prices. The worst mistake a seller can make in a softening market is to overprice a home. Even putting a high price on your home to ‘test the market’ for a few weeks (with the notion that you can always lower it later) is a bad idea.”

“Don’t cling to memories of what houses were commanding six months ago; if your area has seen a slowdown in sales, you’re not going to get top dollar.”

The game of buying a home, or two or three or 17, holding it for a bit, and then flipping it for a handsome profit has pretty much played itself out. ‘Get out as fast as possible,’ says Mark Zandi, chief economist with Moody’s Economy.com. ‘The market is moving away from the investor, and even when it stabilizes, I don’t think it’s going to come back anytime soon.’”

“So don’t repeat the mistake that tech investors made during the dot-com bubble. As stocks spiraled downward, they held on, thinking that the market would bounce back quickly. Just accept that you’re going to lose money on that Miami deal. ‘Take your lumps,’ says Jon Duncan, a Tacoma financial planner. ‘If you’re feeding this thing cash flow, it won’t take long to make this a very bad investment.’”
 
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afroyale said:
Speculators Told ‘Get Out As Fast As Possible’

Hey... I just want to say something... I don't know or want to know the flipping game... I am building wealth. I buy and rent the bitch out! I rent the bitch sec8 and so far all I have to do is fix the place like any other place... It is the game to be in whatever is going on with the Real Estate market!
My point... Your tenants pay for your mortgage! How can you beat that?
I am out! "LICK"
:cool:
 
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Lick said:
Hey... I just want to say something... I don't know or want to know the flipping game... I am building wealth. I buy and rent the bitch out! I rent the bitch sec8 and so far all I have to do is fix the place like any other place... It is the game to be in whatever is going on with the Real Estate market!
My point... Your tenants pay for your mortgage! How can you beat that?
I am out! "LICK"
:cool:

I got two words for you fam... "Liquid Assets". If you can afford to purchase a home of some reasonable value, immediately pull out the equity and rent it out to cover the cost... then eventually sell it post appreciation, you're in good shape. If you can't answer yes to all of the above, save your money man. If you put blinders on and focus in on one market without considering the impact of our entire economy you will make bad investments, you will think your approach is "clever" now, but in a few years you'll be saying, I've got lot's of money on paper, but I ain't got no real paper money. Black people gotta be smarter... you know my best investment? A fire retardant, bullet proof, bomb proof safe. Be surprised how much cash money those things can hold and guess what, the only way I loose it is if I spend it. Fuck the banks, fuck improvements, buy a few thousand acres of land - solid investment.

Peace!

One Love BGOL

Pharaoh.
 
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Pharaoh said:
I got two words for you fam... "Liquid Assets".

Pharaoh said:
If you put blinders on and focus in on one market without considering the impact of our entire economy you will make bad investments, you will think your approach is "clever" now, but in a few years you'll be saying, I've got lot's of money on paper, but I ain't got no real paper money. Black people gotta be smarter... you know my best investment? A fire retardant, bullet proof, bomb proof safe. Be surprised how much cash money those things can hold and guess what, the only way I loose it is if I spend it.

Fuck the banks, fuck improvements, buy a few thousand acres of land - solid investment..


In the same post, you talk about "Liquid Assets" and then you talk about buying a few thousand acres of (which is more than likely raw, and undeveloped and DECADES away from having the infastructure like water and sewer to make an a valuable asset) land!! Undeveloped land is one of the most illliquid assests around and can be bought for a couple of hundred dollars per acre and is worth even less. Since you are into land, I've got some land in Arizona, Montana, and Alaska that I can sell you very, very, very, very cheap.

Yes it's a good tip to keep your money in fire proof, bomb proof safe.

Someone give me this dudes address so that I can have someone show him that the safe has a few shortcomings like:

1)It isn't a "Gun to your temple and your wifes/girls/kids temple, give the combination bitch niggas before I kill you" proof safe. :angry:

2)Your safe isn't inflation proof :smh:

I've never heard someone say black people should be smarter and then follow it up with that bullshit train of thought that you shouldn't put your money into a bank. Good luck with your raw land and your fireproof safe from Home Depot.
 
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I hear people talk about buying and selling homes all the time but no one talks about what to read to actually get started.

Can someone recomend a good set of books to start reading on making money in real estate?
 
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nappy said:
I hear people talk about buying and selling homes all the time but no one talks about what to read to actually get started.

Can someone recomend a good set of books to start reading on making money in real estate?


Just google "real estate 101" or something. If you've ever financed (bought) a car, it's the same principle except you'd be applying for a larger loan as opposed to only $15K - 25K. The only difference is, unlike cars, real estate doesn't usually* devaluate after you've signed on the dotted line and are handed the keys.



* The current RE market is the exception.
 
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Real1 said:
In the same post, you talk about "Liquid Assets" and then you talk about buying a few thousand acres of (which is more than likely raw, and undeveloped and DECADES away from having the infastructure like water and sewer to make an a valuable asset) land!! Undeveloped land is one of the most illliquid assests around and can be bought for a couple of hundred dollars per acre and is worth even less. Since you are into land, I've got some land in Arizona, Montana, and Alaska that I can sell you very, very, very, very cheap.

Yes it's a good tip to keep your money in fire proof, bomb proof safe.

Someone give me this dudes address so that I can have someone show him that the safe has a few shortcomings like:

1)It isn't a "Gun to your temple and your wifes/girls/kids temple, give the combination bitch niggas before I kill you" proof safe. :angry:

2)Your safe isn't inflation proof :smh:

I've never heard someone say black people should be smarter and then follow it up with that bullshit train of thought that you shouldn't put your money into a bank. Good luck with your raw land and your fireproof safe from Home Depot.

You know, I conduct business on three continents. One thing I've learned over the years is that those of us with money can always spot those without money about a mile away - mostly just by what they say and write. Here's a good example - someone without money may think someone with money would put his money in a home... that's just silly; or maybe go to home depot to get a safe... your uselessness is showing.

I have to carry Executive Risk & KR ins., I'm full aware of security challenges and understand the value of having cash depots far more than you seem to... I think it would've been smarter for you to ask what I did for a living before you made some of the above comments and of course showed your cash depleted investment ass.

The point is simple, this white European man driven USA was designed to benefit, guess who??? the white European man. He controls the market, he controls investment potential, and by the time your blackass finally saves up enough chips, thinking you're going to hit it big and have chips & dip, he changes the game.

Let me add a little perspective. I roll out to a meeting with this guy. We walk into the meeting full of people we don't know. I'm well dressed, but he's a heavier hitter than me. He looks around the room and motions for a few folks to come over... they do. He says, "See this jacket? $5000" We're not talking about a watch, but a sports jacket. Some of those people at that company had cars worth less than his jacket. They promptly smiled, shut up, sat down and listened to every recommendation he had without question.

Later that evening, I bought a few folks drinks... he didn't think that was good enough though, so he proceeded to spend about 15K cash at the bar buying the rest of the folks drinks; never blinked an eye. Needless to say, we won the case, but not because I was so clever, which by the way I was, but instead because they were so impressed with the rich white man! That's how they win jobs; black folks have to compete hard and prove beyond doubt that we are capable to do the job and non related jobs before they'll even give us a try.

If you don't get the point, then that explains a lot about your response... make no mistake, cash is king. If you don't have enough to support you and your kids and their kids, then you have a problem. That's wealth; if you can't generate revenue then you are a consumer. Most blacks are born consumers and die consumers, which is why I do what I do and say what I say.

At the end of the day it's all about disaster recovery... if you loose your investment homes to eminent domain and the stock market crashes, and international trade takes a nose dive, where will you be? Investments are made to secure power/positioning or to expand the living you've already secured. How does the other side invest so freely and easily? The've had money in their family for hundreds of years and they've got plenty of discretionary funds.

By the way, I don't know where you're from, but $100 per acre? WTF is that? Let's count, wow if you buy 1000 of those, that's only $100,000... yeah right; I've never seen an acre that only cost $100, but it sounds like a good stretch of bullshit to me! Was that one of your sound investments?

:dance:
 
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Pharaoh said:
I got two words for you fam... "Liquid Assets". If you can afford to purchase a home of some reasonable value, immediately pull out the equity and rent it out to cover the cost... then eventually sell it post appreciation, you're in good shape. If you can't answer yes to all of the above, save your money man. If you put blinders on and focus in on one market without considering the impact of our entire economy you will make bad investments, you will think your approach is "clever" now, but in a few years you'll be saying, I've got lot's of money on paper, but I ain't got no real paper money. Black people gotta be smarter... you know my best investment? A fire retardant, bullet proof, bomb proof safe. Be surprised how much cash money those things can hold and guess what, the only way I loose it is if I spend it. Fuck the banks, fuck improvements, buy a few thousand acres of land - solid investment.

Peace!

One Love BGOL

Pharaoh.
Location, location, location! “LICK” :cool:
 
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afroyale said:

LOL! Man... You a funny MOFO! Ya had me on the floor with that one pic of that cat back window with that "Network marketing shit"
Dawg... You are right the market has slowed down in most of the US… Not so in L.A., CA we only toped off a bit… That is it my brother… However, I got a hell of a kick out that post…
I going through almost hell trying to help a Dawg in Georgia because they are in a new development and it has two foreclosures that is fucking with the numbers. So it is true in some areas… But not in L.A.! Ya brother! “LICK”
:cool:
 
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Pharaoh said:
By the way, I don't know where you're from, but $100 per acre? WTF is that? Let's count, wow if you buy 1000 of those, that's only $100,000... yeah right; I've never seen an acre that only cost $100, but it sounds like a good stretch of bullshit to me! Was that one of your sound investments?
:dance:
I feel ya.... The last time I saw land for about $100 per acre was in LA or AZ back in the 80's and it was NOT near the City... "LICK"
 
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Pharaoh said:
By the way, I don't know where you're from, but $100 per acre? WTF is that? Let's count, wow if you buy 1000 of those, that's only $100,000... yeah right; I've never seen an acre that only cost $100, but it sounds like a good stretch of bullshit to me! Was that one of your sound investments?

:dance:
I receive these links everyday... Some are good, some you have to work out the issues and some you just don't mess with. But then there are some that you can get with a samll amount of cash and you go to work on it.

The mapping part of this never seems to work for me. However, I live out here and know the area. After playing with it a bit I can always get a good idea before I drive out and look at it. So check this... It all good and I do wish everyone the best;
http://www.arasells.com/idxdetails....searchId=3f0c23c2-8df1-40c5-a81e-3f2387b5b4fb
and
http://www.arasells.com/idxdetails....searchId=3f0c23c2-8df1-40c5-a81e-3f2387b5b4fb
For less than 40K you can own a bit more than 2 acres... You have the links... Play with it and you be the judge... "LICK" :cool:
 
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