Paul Williams and that robbery

[Spectrum]

fellas...Ive been watching boxing for a long time. So obviously I have seen my fair share of robberies...

where do you rank this one. This might be in my top 3 man... Paul Williams got his ass completely kicked all fight. There is no way I can give him more than 4 rounds... and he got the majority decision. This type of shit makes me not want to watch fights for a few weeks...damn

 

[Zeferino]

fellas...Ive been watching boxing for a long time. So obviously I have seen my fair share of robberies...

where do you rank this one. This might be in my top 3 man... Paul Williams got his ass completely kicked all fight. There is no way I can give him more than 4 rounds... and he got the majority decision. This type of shit makes me not want to watch fights for a few weeks...damn

I don't know, I just didn't see the shutout the announcers did. Even though they tried to interpret the compubox different then they normally do, the compubox kind of supported that the fight was close.

Yes, I believe Williams was hurt more and hurt more often during the fight but a lot of times he just gave the impression of being the non stop just much busier puncher. Meanwhile, Lara boxed intelligently but was usually going backwards and Paul was punching on the guy at all times even when tied up.

I could see the fight going either way but personally I think Lara won. I just don't see the decision as extremely outrageous. Regardless, even Paul's trainer thought he was losing so that does mean something.

You know me with the southpaw angle. I think Paul just can't fuck with southpaws. All of his losses have come to southpaws. Some southpaws are so used to righties that they can't fight other southpaws. Lara was the worst southpaw he could have fought because Cuba makes southpaws on purpose and the whole science of fighting from a southpaw angle is a major part of the training. This is why so many Cuban fighters are southpaw and because there are so many over there at the highest level, they often spar each other along with the righties. If you have trouble with southpaws, stay away from Cubans.

 

[Alaskanredman]

fellas...Ive been watching boxing for a long time. So obviously I have seen my fair share of robberies...

where do you rank this one. This might be in my top 3 man... Paul Williams got his ass completely kicked all fight. There is no way I can give him more than 4 rounds... and he got the majority decision. This type of shit makes me not want to watch fights for a few weeks...damn

Shit is similar to the first Williams v Martinez except Martinez took a few round long breaks in between cracking Williams.

Peters v Toney I still stands out as the last great robbery to me.

 

[Spectrum]

Shit is similar to the first Williams v Martinez except Martinez took a few round long breaks in between cracking Williams. .

I can understand the first Williams vs Martinez because there were some close rounds and then Martinez was gassed the last couple of rounds. I thought Martinez won it but I understood how someone could have given a 1 round advantage to PW in that fight..

but this year....

 

[Spectrum]

You know me with the southpaw angle. I think Paul just can't fuck with southpaws. All of his losses have come to southpaws. Some southpaws are so used to righties that they can't fight other southpaws. Lara was the worst southpaw he could have fought because Cuba makes southpaws on purpose and the whole science of fighting from a southpaw angle is a major part of the training. .

Oh, he definitely cant deal with southpaws...he walks right into those overhand lefts and his trainer is telling him that he has done nothing wrong..that he doesnt need to change or adjust

Did you see the pre-fight interviews

 

[Alaskanredman]

I can understand the first Williams vs Martinez because there were some close rounds and then Martinez was gassed the last couple of rounds. I thought Martinez won it but I understood how someone could have given a 1 round advantage to PW in that fight..

but this year....

Like I said on the main board any P-Will fan would have given him 5 rounds and there wasn't five rounds to give him. Williams chin is sturdy, but Lara was going in to do serious work with a one punch game plan. Williams can't have any more fights like that.

 

[Zeferino]

Oh, he definitely cant deal with southpaws...he walks right into those overhand lefts and his trainer is telling him that he has done nothing wrong..that he doesnt need to change or adjust

Did you see the pre-fight interviews

Yeah, they seem oblivious to change. If anything they should just do better matchmaking and at least just keep him away from southpaws if he doesn't want to change tactics in the ring. At least he won't be getting hit with those left hands like that.

 

[Max Headrom]

Man, Williams threw a lot but wasn't precise at all. He definitely lost this fight though. This should've been Williams last fight because he really lost but, now it just seems like he's gonna get his ass knocked out by whoever he fights next. In my opinion, the judges just did Williams a disservice...lol

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[scorp75]

Paul got his ass handed to him and they gave him the fight. I roll with Paul, but that decision was terrible for the sport.

 

[Brother Blues]

I use to be 'outraged' at decisions in boxing...

Nowadays it's so pathetic,it's expected.

I remember watching Sweet Pea slap around,and totally confuse Julio Ceasar Chavez every round....and they called it a draw.

Chavez did not win a single round....

In fact the end of Chavez's career was filled with bullshit decisions...including a gift win over Frankie Randall,the Richard Steal/Meldrick Taylor fiasco and so on...

The real truth is,the hometown fighter or the fighter with the best connections gets the decisions.

In this case,a rematch between Williams and Martinez makes money,therefore....last night's winner.

Kinda fucked up...

To say it hurts the sporthas been said so many times...it's meaningless.

How can you hurt something that's really dead??

If you put boxing on ABC Sat. afternoon...and a hot dog eating contest on NBC at the same time,NBC gets more viewers.

I use to love boxing...now,I never buy it...and watch probably a half/dozen fights a year.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

Yeah, they seem oblivious to change. If anything they should just do better matchmaking and at least just keep him away from southpaws if he doesn't want to change tactics in the ring. At least he won't be getting hit with those left hands like that.

Just finished watching it this morning.
Williams just isn't good fighting southpaws. The slow start didn't help at all. The rust was apparent.
Lara had a good strategy and knew to come in tight on Williams when he was in trouble, negating Williams reach advantage.

He should avoid southpaws for the foreseeable and get in the ring ASAp to get back into fighting shape.
He might need to come up to middleweight. To rehydrate from 153 to 170 means he drained himself a lot.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

To say it hurts the sporthas been said so many times...it's meaningless.

How can you hurt something that's really dead??

If you put boxing on ABC Sat. afternoon...and a hot dog eating contest on NBC at the same time,NBC gets more viewers.

I use to love boxing...now,I never buy it...and watch probably a half/dozen fights a year.

The idea that boxing is dead has been said over and over and yet they're still selling hundreds of thousands and, with the top guys, millions of ppvs a year.

 

[TJervey]

Just watched it and Paul was clearly beaten! Maybe not dominated as some may seem, but he definitely landed a lot of pity pat type punches, and he really ate A LOT of BIG left hands!!!

PW is definitely not finished, but he really needs to consider a new trainer, before it is too late to totally resurrect his career.

I can see where this decision came from though, Martinez really doesn't have a lot of options in and around his weight class, and even thought he clipped PW in their last fight, it was a one punch KO and there is still room for who is better. This was definitely a political, money generated decision, where HBO is probably looking to capitalize on Martinez hot streak while they still can (he'll be 37 soon I think), in addition to milking what is left of the 'Punisher' moniker concerning PW before he is truly dealt with....

 

[Mad Genius]

There's no way Paul Williams won 4 rounds. That wasn't a boxing match, it was a sanctioned assault. That Cubano kid landed that big left at will. If he had any real power, he'd have knocked Williams out by the 5th round. It was that bad. Dude is done. And I hate to say that because I've been a fan, but that shit was hard to watch. Imagine if a cat like Pac was allowed to land big lefts w/ reckless abandon. How long do you think Williams would have stayed conscious? Not long.

 

[merce77]

Williams got a gift. He lost and anything else is just trying to rationalize. This proves what I've been saying about Floyd whupping his ass. Williams is a b+ fighter but not a star. Also, Martinez would ko him brutally one more time. Lara was landing the left at will.

 

[Zeferino]

Williams got a gift. He lost and anything else is just trying to rationalize. This proves what I've been saying about Floyd whupping his ass. Williams is a b+ fighter but not a star. Also, Martinez would ko him brutally one more time. Lara was landing the left at will.

I wouldn't call it proof that Floyd would whup Williams. Floyd would not be throwing left hands on Williams from a southpaw stance and that is the only shot that Williams has shown a continuous vulnerability to.

 

[Brother Blues]

The idea that boxing is dead has been said over and over and yet they're still selling hundreds of thousands and, with the top guys, millions of ppvs a year.

Yes they do...but in terms of what it was,it's been on life support for a long time.
No,it will never completely die...but it is at best,a fringe sport.

I remember when there were Tuesday night fights,Friday night fights and Wide World of Sports fights on the weekend.

USA had their fights,ESPN had theirs...

No it's not dead,it just does not have much life...

As for the millions of PPV...two guys do that,and only two.

We just had a heavyweight championship fight,with the two biggest stars in the division...for free,thankfully.

 

[blackmarket]

By no means am I saying Williams shouldve won the fight, especially since I turned that boring ass shit off after the 5th or 6th - But just like the announcers I see noone (except for maybe the judges) even bothering to acknowledge that Lara's "strategy" involved nonstop clenching, holding, putting Williams in headlocks, etc. every time Paul started throwing. This pussy style of fighting thats become accepted by boxing media and therefore most fans in recent years (pretty much since the Lewis era) is the real reason boxings not even worth watching anymore.

 

[Lord Vicious]

To say it hurts the sporthas been said so many times...it's meaningless.

How can you hurt something that's really dead??

Word......Boxing is dead.
The "Biggest" fight they have planned is Floyd vs Ortiz.
Really?
Ortiz......the same Ortiz that got his ass waxed and said he quit?
Really?

You can try to hype that fight all you want but to think that's going to be competitive is ridiculous.

Oh....almost forgot why i came in here....

Yeah,willams got mollywhopped and that decision was sickening.

 

[P03t]

Word......Boxing is dead.
.

 

[P03t]

robbery is an understatement....no way is Williams going to fight Sergio....he will get hurt badly....

 

[Brother Blues]

robbery is an understatement....no way is Williams going to fight Sergio....he will get hurt badly....

I bet he does fight Martinez...

Money is all that matters,does not matter if Williams might get killed...or if he's ready.

Years ago they pushed Oliver McCall into the rematch with Lennox Lewis...even tho he had been in and out of rehab and the psych ward.

And of course he went on to have the nervous break-down in the middle of the fight

 

[P03t]

I bet he does fight Martinez...

Money is all that matters,does not matter if Williams might get killed...or if he's ready.

Years ago they pushed Oliver McCall into the rematch with Lennox Lewis...even tho he had been in and out of rehab and the psych ward.

And of course he went on to have the nervous break-down in the middle of the fight

well if he does have the gurney ready....he looked terrible & his stubbornness to adjust his camp &/or style won't end well for him....

rematches overwhelmingly favor counter punchers how does he expect to be competitive against Sergio who KO'ed him easy without any adjustments....

 

[Spectrum]

well if he does have the gurney ready....he looked terrible & his stubbornness to adjust his camp &/or style won't end well for him....

rematches overwhelmingly favor counter punchers how does he expect to be competitive against Sergio who KO'ed him easy without any adjustments....

I dont want to see that fight...although PW hasnt looked good over his last few fights, he seems like a good dude.... but either he is going to take another nasty left hook from Martinez or get beaten really badly all fight (Which could be even worse for his health)... another southpaw with real power is suicide for PW

 

[P03t]

I dont want to see that fight...although PW hasnt looked good over his last few fights, he seems like a good dude.... but either he is going to take another nasty left hook from Martinez or get beaten really badly all fight (Which could be even worse for his health)... another southpaw with real power is suicide for PW

 

[MrBee]

Boxing is killing itself...

 

[Mrfreddygoodbud]

I was bugging when I turned the fight off before the decision, log on to bgol to find out paul williams one, yo I was like whaaaaaaa daaaaaaaa.... I had to go back to the tv to confirm that shit... lara shouldve won to me, he fought the much smarter fight and was destroyin paul with those overhand rights..

but Paul did come to fight and was not backing down, and coming forward counts in the pro ranks.. while lara won to me he didnt dominate, with that success of his overhand right, he shouldve had williams out of there, he fought smarter by taking advantage of a weak spot in paul williams game, he didnt really bring it, as much as paul williams made it easy..

as tall as paul is there is no way a shorter fighter should be connecting that successfully with overhands.... paul was just leaning right into those...

also how the fuck is the smaller fighter going to have a more dominant snapping jab....

paul williams needs a whole new boxing style to utilize his height, its a damn shame he doesnt know how to use his height and reach as effective weapons....

 

[Zeferino]

Boxing is killing itself...

People always say that but it just gets bigger. It'll never die. Never.