Pakistan vs. Afghanistan (Over Osama)

[QueEx]

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New York Daily News
BY MICHAEL McAULIFF
DAILY NEWS WASHINGTON BUREAU
March 6, 2006

WASHINGTON - Two key U.S. allies in the hunt for Osama Bin Laden are locked in their own battle of bluster, with the rulers of Afghanistan and Pakistan each suggesting the other is slacking off in the war on terror.
The latest volleys of verbal bomb-throwing bracketed President Bush's four-day visit to the region that ended yesterday.

Before Bush arrived, Afghan President Hamid Karzai leaked complaints that the government of Pakistan President Gen. Pervez Musharraf was failing to act on Afghan tips about the locations of top Al Qaeda and Taliban fugitives hiding in Pakistan.

Musharraf yesterday called his neighbor's intel junk.

"They have given a list," he said on "Late Edition" on CNN. "Two-thirds of it is months old, and it is outdated, and there is nothing," he said.

He acknowledged he does not have control of his own border regions, but accused Karzai's government of trying to make Pakistan look bad with Bush in town.

"I feel there is a very, very deliberate attempt to malign Pakistan by some [Afghan intelligence] agents, and President Karzai is totally oblivious of what is happening in his own country," Musharraf said.

He also said relations between the two countries had deteriorated over the last two months.

Asked whether tension between the allies in the forefront of the hunt for Bin Laden is a problem, the State Department pointed to Secretary of State Rice's remarks Saturday in Pakistan.

"There are long histories of suspicion between Afghanistan and Pakistan. That's no secret to anyone," she said. "The good news is that they're getting better." Bin Laden is suspected of being in hiding along the Afghan-Pakistan border.


http://www.nydailynews.com/news/wn_report/story/397104p-336597c.html

 

[Greed]

your dirtbag boss sucks

 

[Greed]

Blair says anti-US feeling 'madness'

Blair says anti-US feeling 'madness'
2 hours, 52 minutes ago

British Prime Minister Tony Blair urged the international community to stay the course in Iraq and said the "madness" of anti-Americanism threatened democracy worldwide.

Blair, who has faced strong criticism for his support of the US-led invasion of Iraq, said in a speech to the Australian parliament that the West could not afford to cut and run in the face of ongoing violence in Iraq and Afghanistan.

"If the going is tough, we tough it out," said Blair. "This is not a time to walk away. This is a time for the courage to see it through."

Dismissing any suggestion that he was an unquestioning ally of US President George W. Bush, Blair said that Washington was not excessively involved in world affairs but that there was instead a danger it could turn isolationist.

"I do not always agree with the US," he said.

"Sometimes they can be difficult friends to have. But the strain of frankly anti-American feeling in parts of European politics is madness when set against the long-term interests of the world we believe in," he said.

Blair, who has been a steadfast supporter of the Iraq invasion in March 2003 with some 8,000 troops currently in the country, said it was important to have "active foreign policy of engagement" rather than isolation.

"The danger with America today is not that they are too much involved. The danger is that they decide to pull up the drawbridge and disengage. We need them involved. We want them engaged."

Spiralling violence and sectarian unrest have led to increased calls for the multinational force to pull out and fuelled debate about whether Iraq since the ouster of Saddam Hussein has descended into civil war.

It was the second in a series of three major foreign policy speeches for Blair, and only the fourth time a foreign leader has addressed a joint session of the Australian parliament.

It expanded on themes introduced in London last week, notably that the struggle for freedom, democracy, justice and fairness, were universal values and not just those of the West.

He stressed that a steadfast and effective international approach involving the United States would help in the world beyond.

"Wherever people live in fear, with no prospect of advance, we should be on their side -- in solidarity with them, whether in Sudan, Zimbabwe, Burma, North Korea," he said.

"Where countries, and there are many of them in the Middle East today, are in the process of democratic development, we should extend a helping hand," the prime minister said.

He said a global alliance would also help towards eradicating world poverty and disease in Africa, as well as end protracted wranglings ove a deal in the Doha round of the World Trade Organisation talks.

A third speech, on a date to be fixed, will set out his views on reforming world institutions to implement his broad vision.

Before his address, Blair received warm praise from Australian Prime Minister John Howard and the leader of the main opposition Australian Labor Party, Kim Beazley.

Howard -- who like Blair is pro-US and drew controversy at home for supporting the Iraq war -- said no one in the world had better articulated the threat to the world from extremist terrorism than his British counterpart.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/2006032...2CFOrgF;_ylu=X3oDMTA5aHJvMDdwBHNlYwN5bmNhdA--

 

[dyhawk]

Re: Blair says anti-US feeling 'madness'

Terrorism at its finest...



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[African Herbsman]

Re: Blair says anti-US feeling 'madness'

Fuck Blair also.

 

[oneofmany]

Re: Blair says anti-US feeling 'madness'

^ Indeed. Not only is Blair a highly corrupt politician, he is a member of various secret societies and is a high-ranking freemason.

 

[Makkonnen]

Re: Blair says anti-US feeling 'madness'

good post dyhawk - that shit should be its own thread

 

[GET YOU HOT]

NATO to take over control of 12,000 US troops in Afghanistan

The Associated Press
Kabul
02 October 2006


America's direct control of military operations in Afghanistan will dwindle to a single air base within days as the NATO alliance assumes a nationwide command that places 12,000 more U.S. troops under its authority, a spokesman for the alliance said Sunday.

The expansion will consolidate military command under top NATO leader British Lt. Gen. David Richards and phase out the role of U.S. Lt. Gen. Karl Eikenberry, whose troops will be transferred to NATO, said Mark Laity, an alliance spokesman in Kabul.

Of 40,000 foreign troops in Afghanistan, only 8,000 U.S. troops will function outside NATO control: those tracking al-Qaeda terrorists or involved in air operations, Laity said. The overall level of American forces will remain around 20,000.

"In a few days, on a date yet to be declared, you will see the completion of the steady expansion of ISAF," the NATO-led International Security Assistance Force, Laity said.

The NATO expansion into the east wasn't expected to happen for a few weeks. The alliance's troops took command of southern Afghanistan just two months ago and have struggled to stem escalating violence. A forthcoming NATO order will give the exact date of the handover that places 12,000 U.S. troops in eastern Afghanistan headed by U.S. Army Maj. Gen. Benjamin Freakley under alliance command.

 

[African Herbsman]

Re: NATO to take over control of 12,000 US troops in Afghanistan

All the News That's Fit For Us to See

The NationMon Sep 25, 5:14 PM ET

The Nation -- For a little thought experiment, go to the website of Newsweek's international edition. There, running down the left side of the page, are three covers, all the same, for the European, Asian, and Latin American editions of the October 2 issue.

Each has a dramatic shot of a Taliban fighter shouldering an RPG (rocket-propelled grenade). The cover headline is: "Losing Afghanistan," pointing to a devastating piece on our Afghan War by Ron Moreau, Sami Yousafzai, and Michael Hirsh, "The Rise of Jihadistan." which sports this subhead: "Five years after the Afghan invasion, the Taliban are fighting back hard, carving out a sanctuary where they--and Al Qaeda's leaders--can operate freely." The piece begins: "You don't have to drive very far from Kabul these days to find the Taliban." (In fact, the magazine's reporters found a gathering of 100 of them in a village just a two-hour drive south of the Afghan capital.)

Now, go back to the international edition and take another look. Scroll down the page to the cover which doesn't match the others. That's the one for Newsweek's American edition. No Taliban fighter. No RPG. Instead, a photo of an ash-blond woman with three young children dressed in white, one in her arms, and the headline: "My Life in Pictures." The woman turns out to be Annie Liebovitz, photographer of the stars, and the story by Cathleen McGuigan, "Through Her Lens," has this Taliban-free first line: "Annie Leibovitz is tired and nursing a cold, and she' s just flown back to New York on the red-eye from Los Angeles, where she spent two days shooting Angelina Jolie for Vogue."

"The Rise of Jihadism" is still inside, of course; now, a secondary story. After all, Angelina Jolie is ours, while a distant botch of a war in Afghanistan..? As the magazine's editors clearly concluded, while the rest of the world considers the return of the Taliban, let us eat cake.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/thenation/20060925/cm_thenation/15124430

 

[SpiritualPorn]

Re: NATO to take over control of 12,000 US troops in Afghanistan

Thanks for this

The more telling story is that US citizens and its Army has been given to an outside force.

This is a great setup for the UN troops patroling the US

These guys are genius

 

[GET YOU HOT]

Re: NATO to take over control of 12,000 US troops in Afghanistan

New World Order

U.S. sets ambitious "global" NATO summit agenda
Mon Oct 30, 2006 12:27pm ET
By Paul Taylor

BRUSSELS (Reuters) - The United States set out an ambitious agenda on Monday for transforming NATO into a global security organization at a summit next month but acknowledged that some European allies have misgivings.

U.S. NATO ambassador Victoria Nuland said the 26-nation alliance had gone beyond debates about whether to act outside its Euro-Atlantic area, deploying forces on four continents in the last 18 months, most importantly in Afghanistan.

http://today.reuters.com/news/artic...7_RTRUKOC_0_US-NATO-SUMMIT.xml&src=rss&rpc=22

 

[GET YOU HOT]

Re: NATO to take over control of 12,000 US troops in Afghanistan

bump

 

[GreedySmurf]

More Than Half of Afghanistan "Under Taliban"

So why did we go into the Middle East again?

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] More Than Half of Afghanistan "Under Taliban"
By Kim Sengupta
The Independent UK[/FONT][/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] Thursday 22 November 2007[/FONT][/FONT]
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] More than half of Afghanistan is back under Taliban control and the Nato force in the country needs to be doubled in size to cope with the resurgent group, a report by the Senlis Council think-tank says. A study by the group found that the Taliban, enriched by illicit profits from the country's record poppy harvest, had formed de-facto governments in swathes of the southern Pashtun belt.[/FONT][/FONT]
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] The Afghan government and its Nato allies strongly deny the Senlis version of what is taking place in the country and say the extent of alleged Taliban control - 54 per cent - is a major exaggeration. In particular, British troops in Helmand have, in recent months, recovered territory lost to the Islamist group.[/FONT][/FONT]
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] But senior defence sources say that a lack of frontline combat forces has meant that areas clawed back from the Taliban often cannot be held and have to be retaken after costly and fierce fighting. There is also an acknowledgement that the dangers on the ground have meant that aid efforts are being stymied.[/FONT][/FONT]
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] The Senlis Council made a name for itself by advocating that Afghan opium, which supplies 93 per cent of the world market, should be regulated and produced for medicinal purposes. The organisation had been regarded in the past as very much a fringe body with unrealistic policies.[/FONT][/FONT]
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] But it has recently begun to hold seminars with influential think-tanks such as the International institute for Strategic Studies (IISS), which are attended by senior diplomats and military commanders. Last month, the European Parliament passed a motion urging the production of opium for medicine on an experimental basis by a sizeable majority.[/FONT][/FONT]
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] Yesterday's Senlis dossier coincided with an Oxfam report saying that Afghanistan is facing a humanitarian crisis in which millions face "severe hardship comparable with sub-Saharan Africa". It highlights the fact that US spending on aid in the country, $4.4bn since 2002, was only a fraction of its military expenditure of $35bn in 2007 alone.[/FONT][/FONT]
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] "As in Iraq, too much aid is absorbed by profits of companies and subcontractors, on non-Afghan resources and on high expatriate salaries and living costs," said the report. "Each full-time expatriate consultant costs up to half a million dollars a year."[/FONT][/FONT]
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] Meanwhile, Louise Arbour, the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights, said civilian casualties caused by military action has reached "alarming levels" this year. "These not only breach international law but are eroding support among the Afghan community for the government and international military presence, as well as public support in contributing states for continued engagement in Afghanistan," she said.[/FONT][/FONT]
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] The Senlis report, while accepting that "collateral damage"' has led to alienation among the population, maintains that the Nato force needs to be doubled in size, from 40,000 to 80,000, and some contributing nations should remove caveats which prevent their troops from taking part in frontline duties. It also urged Nato to invite Muslim countries to contribute to the Afghan force.[/FONT][/FONT]
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] Norine MacDonald QC, the president of the Senlis Council, said: "The security situation has reached crisis proportions. The insurgency now controls vast swathes of unchallenged territory including rural areas, border areas, some district centres, and important road arteries.[/FONT][/FONT]
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] "The disturbing conclusion is that despite a universal desire to 'succeed' in Afghanistan, the country is in grave danger of becoming a divided state. The Taliban are the de facto authority in significant portions of territory in the south. Exploiting public frustration over poverty and inflammatory US-led counter narcotics policies, the Taliban are gaining increasing political legitimacy in the minds of the Afghan people."[/FONT][/FONT]

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/asia/article3182330.ece

 

[MATHEMATICS]

Re: More Than Half of Afghanistan "Under Taliban"

If soldiers were allowed to fight the enemy instead of the "don't know SHIT" politicians here in the states, we would have been buliding Super Walmarts there now. Afghanistan is worse now than when we first went there.....DUMB ASS LIBERALS that don't have family in the military....

 

[QueEx]

Re: More Than Half of Afghanistan "Under Taliban"

If soldiers were allowed to fight the enemy instead of the "don't know SHIT" politicians here in the states, we would have been buliding Super Walmarts there now. Afghanistan is worse now than when we first went there.....DUMB ASS LIBERALS that don't have family in the military....

What is it that the "don't know shit" politicians did that caused a failure in Afghanistan ??? Any specifics ???

QueEx

 

[GET YOU HOT]

Re: More Than Half of Afghanistan "Under Taliban"

Red tape things like "mission accomplished", "the war is over", "THERE IS NO CIVIL WAR IN IRAQ", "human rights", people realize-- its an all out free for all for Taliban and American soldiers are being prosecuted for killing at wartime...?, So, we are (un)bound by laws, Guantanamo torture, imprisonment without trial, RENDERING, put private protection soldiers can kill innocents?

Taliban(the perfect fiction) don't give a fuck about politics...

The Thin Red Line...

First Sgt. Edward Welsh: Everything a lie. Everything you hear, everything you see. So much to spew out. They just keep coming, one after another. You're in a box. A moving box. They want you dead, or in their lie... There's only one thing a man can do - find something that's his, and make an island for himself. If I never meet you in this life, let me feel the lack; a glance from your eyes, and my life will be yours.


Private Edward P. Train: [narrating] What is this great evil? How did it steal into the world? From what seed, what root did it spring? Who's doing this? Who's killing us? Robbing us of light and life. Mocking us with the sight of what we might have known.

Private Witt: How did we loose all the good that was given us?. Let it slip away. Scattered careless.


First Sgt. Edward Welsh: What difference do you think you can make, one man in all this madness?

 

[mcboob]

Re: More Than Half of Afghanistan "Under Taliban"

If soldiers were allowed to fight the enemy instead of the "don't know SHIT" politicians here in the states, we would have been buliding Super Walmarts there now. Afghanistan is worse now than when we first went there.....DUMB ASS LIBERALS that don't have family in the military....

This doesn't sound very intelligent to me.

Warfare is one thing, colonization is another.

Marines,Soldiers etc. cant colonize a country, they can only kill its inhabitants.

 

[Makkonnen]

Re: More Than Half of Afghanistan "Under Taliban"

dumb ass liberals made bush lose the war and send everyone to Iraq?

you smoking all that taliban poppy?

 

[GreedySmurf]

Re: More Than Half of Afghanistan "Under Taliban"

If soldiers were allowed to fight the enemy instead of the "don't know SHIT" politicians here in the states, we would have been buliding Super Walmarts there now. Afghanistan is worse now than when we first went there.....DUMB ASS LIBERALS that don't have family in the military....

And how do soldiers in the middle east know who the enemy is? If you walk down a street in Afghanistan, Iraq, or Iran you couldn't tell the difference between an enemy combatant and a middle eastern ally until you see the direction the bullet from his gun is moving.