Pacquiao vs. Marquez: Roach wants Manny to use his right hand more.

[merce77]

By Chris Williams

Trainer Freddie Roach has noticed that his pupil WBO welterweight champion Manny Pacquiao has started using his left hand more than his right, and that’s the same problem Pacquiao made in his other two fights with Juan Manuel Marquez in 2004 and 2008. Roach is now working on Pacquiao making adjustments to his style by having him use his right hand more.

Roach said this to philboxing.com: “I will have to make a very small adjustment in his style of fighting…we will continue to change it this week. That’s what I don’t want to happen. Manny falling back to what he’d been doing before, especially in their first two fights which did not impress many. I don’t want a repeat of that. [Since then] Manny fought heavier, bigger opponents after that split decision victory [in 2008] in the second fight. He’s [Pacquiao] stronger, faster and more mature now.”

I think Roach is completely wrong about Pacquiao being faster than he was in 2008. Is Roach kidding? Anyone with two eyes can see that Pacquiao has slowed down significantly in the past three years. Some of it is because he’s eaten his way to 147 lbs, which of course would slow someone down. After all, Pacquiao has put on 20 pounds and it doesn’t matter if it’s all muscle. He’s slower and his stamina isn’t nearly as good as it was. But the other part is age.

Pacquiao is in his 30s now, and he’s mature but not in a good way. I don’t see Pacquiao as a better fighter now than he was in 2004 and 2008. He’s bigger and older, but not better. Pacquiao gets hit a lot more than he ever did before, and he’s so tired all the time. He’s clearly better. But I can understand why Roach is staying that. He probably wants the gravy train to last as long as possible.

It doesn’t matter if Pacquiao uses his right more in his third fight with Marquez, he’s still going to be made to look silly at times, because Marquez is simply a better fighter than he is. Pacquiao will win if he knocks Marquez down a couple of times, but if not, there’s going to be controversy. Marquez will make Pacquiao look silly enough in most of the rounds to cause a lot of boxing fans to see him as the winner. The only way that can be avoided is if Pacquiao can score a knockdown or two. Roach wants a knockout, because he doesn’t like that many boxing fans think that Marquez got ripped off in his two fights with Pacquiao.

 

[Alaskanredman]

How about defense...

 

[merce77]

How about defense...

Whaddaya think his face is for?

 

[HisFlyness]

How about defense...

Whaddaya think his face is for?

 

[P03t]

How about defense...

Whaddaya think his face is for?

 

[nyghtcrawler]

I would be surprised if Pacquiao has a lot of trouble with Marquez this time around. I think Marquez definitely was a better "boxer" than Pacquiao back when they fought the first two times, but I think Pacquiao has closed the boxing gap significantly since they last fought. And I think Pacquaio has increased his advantage as a better "fighter" than Marquez.

I don't think Pacquiao and Roach get enough credit for transforming from a one-handed slugger to a guy who still is a slugger at heart, but can box beautifully, with great movement of both head and feet, much improved defense, better balance (although that can still be an issue at times when he's slugging of course), and just in general so much well rounded as a fighter/boxer.

Of course I'm speculating like everyone else, but I expect Pacquiao to not have much trouble against Marquez this time around.

 

[merce77]

I would be surprised if Pacquiao has a lot of trouble with Marquez this time around. I think Marquez definitely was a better "boxer" than Pacquiao back when they fought the first two times, but I think Pacquiao has closed the boxing gap significantly since they last fought. And I think Pacquaio has increased his advantage as a better "fighter" than Marquez.

I don't think Pacquiao and Roach get enough credit for transforming from a one-handed slugger to a guy who still is a slugger at heart, but can box beautifully, with great movement of both head and feet, much improved defense, better balance (although that can still be an issue at times when he's slugging of course), and just in general so much well rounded as a fighter/boxer.

Of course I'm speculating like everyone else, but I expect Pacquiao to not have much trouble against Marquez this time around.

Pacquiao is the same fighter he was back then, he's just fighting easier competition than Barrera, Morales and Marquez. Pac always looks shitty against guys who can box and move and counterpunch. His last opponents have been old washed up fighters. He couldn't even cut the ring off on Mosley. Anyone with some rudimentary boxing skills should be able to move left to right or vice versa. Mayweather, Marquez, Hopkins, those are beautiful boxers, Pacquiao is a volume puncher with sloppy footwork. And Roach is overrated as a trainer, his greatest strength is as a matchmaker. They could fight 100 times and Pac will ALWAYS have trouble with Marquez because JMM is a true boxer.

"It doesn’t matter if Pacquiao uses his right more in his third fight with Marquez, he’s still going to be made to look silly at times, because Marquez is simply a better fighter than he is."

 

[tp2001]

Pacquiao is the same fighter he was back then, he's just fighting easier competition than Barrera, Morales and Marquez. Pac always looks shitty against guys who can box and move and counterpunch. His last opponents have been old washed up fighters. He couldn't even cut the ring off on Mosley. Anyone with some rudimentary boxing skills should be able to move left to right or vice versa. Mayweather, Marquez, Hopkins, those are beautiful boxers, Pacquiao is a volume puncher with sloppy footwork. And Roach is overrated as a trainer, his greatest strength is as a matchmaker. They could fight 100 times and Pac will ALWAYS have trouble with Marquez because JMM is a true boxer.

"It doesn’t matter if Pacquiao uses his right more in his third fight with Marquez, he’s still going to be made to look silly at times, because Marquez is simply a better fighter than he is."

Da trooooof!!!!

Where is this significant improvement that some people see in Manny Pacquaio? Maybe I am blind, but from what I saw in the Mosley, Cotto, and Margarito fights is that he still has spots where he lacks discipline/consistency, accuracy,and good footwork when he is in the ring. He gets caught off guard so many times when he throws punches, and if he fought anyone with power that could counterpunch him, he would be floored repeatedly...

Of course he could not cut the ring off with Mosley because he does not know how to walk down his opponents effectively. Cotto does a better job of that than Manny does. In addition, if he fought someone who moves around a lot (which could be the reason why he didn't even attempt to fight Raheem) or could counter and then move/slip away (JMM, Floyd) then he gets flustered. Makes for an easy strategy to beat him...and folks wonder why most of us Pac critics are up in arms on how folks think he is so great...

 

[Alaskanredman]

Whaddaya think his face is for?

 

[Upgrade Dave]

Whaddaya think his face is for?

Damn, you beat me to that. I was thinking "Use his right hand more and his face less."

Fuck you Merce.

 

[dime bag]

Naazim Richardson Breaks Down Pacquiao-Marquez III

For most American fight fans, their first glimpse of Manny Pacquiao came in the summer of 2001 when the Filipino whirlwind delivered a scintillating performance in dispatching highly-regarded IBF super bantamweight champion Lehlo Ledwaba inside of six rounds. In the following years Pacquiao would only further enhance his legacy by locking horns with the likes of Marco Antonio Barrera, Juan Manuel Marquez, and Erik Morales, showing himself to be a fighter with a penchant for the kill despite being a little rough around the edges.</p><p>And while Pacquiao has always seemed to have something special inside of him, his run up in weight and through a well-known list of opponents in the past few years has been completely unexpected and thoroughly impressive. In speaking with respected North Philadelphia trainer Naazim Richardson, known best for his work with light heavyweight champion Bernard Hopkins, he states that the simple fact that nobody saw this coming is what makes Pacquiao’s heroics so unique.“Nobody can anticipate greatness,” said Richardson. “We can anticipate champions, we can anticipate talent; nobody can anticipate greatness. So whenever somebody goes on and does something great, we can’t call that. That’s the reason it is great, because nobody could call it. We picked Sonny Liston to knock out Cassius Clay. We picked Buster Douglas to get knocked out by Mike Tyson. And that’s why these feats are called great, because we couldn’t call it. If we could call it, it isn’t great.”</p><p>Pacquiao is now a little over six weeks away from another high-profile encounter as he will face off with Mexico City’s Juan Manuel Marquez for a third time inside of the MGM Grand in Las Vegas on November 12th. The first two encounters between the them were memorable, with a split-draw arising after their May 2004 encounter and Pacquiao walking away with a debatable split-decision victory nearly four years later.</p><p>Given Pacquiao’s refinements since their first encounter and Marquez’s advanced age of 38, Manny is considered a huge favorite yet Richardson feels the style clash between the two men will always lead to an intriguing match.</p><p>“The Marquez fight is an entertaining fight because Marquez knows how to fight Pacquiao,” Richardson said. “He’s probably not the same guy, but he does know how to actually fight Pacquiao. The method has been revealed how to fight Manny Pacquiao but this little joker punches so hard, that usually when they get into it, they go into defensive mode.”Richardson had the arduous task of trying to defeat Pacquiao in the eight-division champion’s last fight, which ended up being a dominant yet painfully tepid unanimous decision over Shane Mosley in May. The Pomona fighter was dropped hard in the third round and spent much of the rest of the fight backpedaling and staying out of harm’s way while Pacquiao plodded forward looking to land more punishing shots.Seeing the fight unfold from ringside, Richardson was taken back to Felix Trinidad’s May 2001 drubbing of William Joppy inside of Madison Square Garden. Hopkins was in line to face the winner, and while Trinidad did electrify the crowd by scoring a first-round knockdown, Joppy found a way to survive up until the fifth round by pumping his jab and constantly moving.</p><p>Richardson can’t help but to compare the Trinidad-Joppy and Pacquiao-Mosley fights and in seeing Shane find a way to maneuver away from Pacquiao round after round following his knockdown, he wonders if that might be part of the blueprint on how to defeat Pacquiao.</p><p>“To me, Joppy lead me to formulate something where it was obvious how to beat Trinidad,” Richardson reflected. “Because if a man is hurt and tarnished against one of the best finishers of the era, then usually they are finished. But if that man still goes on to get rounds in, people are going to look and say ‘How did he get those rounds in?’”</p><p>Richardson has spoken in-depth about the career of Floyd Mayweather Jr., who is still looked at as the biggest threat to Pacquiao, but it still seems highly unlikely that the two men will ever meet. It would be a shame but Richardson feels that Pacquiao would be able to look back still knowing that his legacy is intact.</p><p>“It wouldn’t be incomplete. He’s amassed so much work and he’s put together so many great championships and to add him jumping in weight classes; them not fighting will hurt Mayweather more than it will Pacquiao.”

 

[TJervey]

I don't even take these articles seriously anymore. What real boxing trainer would offer up a real strategic assessment of his fighter especially againsta threat like Marquez? Roac has been doing this for years, trying to bait a fighters camp into preparing for a new wrinkle, setting traps. marquez would be better suited to do what he's done twice already, box counter and cause Mannys one dimensional ass problems.

 

[2211]

Nothing new in here, manny and roach know that this is the right time to take on a fight of this caliber. This guys don't take matches where they don't have a clear advantage, and i mean clear as water.

Marquez is a dangerous fighter, but his peak, is well behind him.

 

[merce77]

Nothing new in here, manny and roach know that this is the right time to take on a fight of this caliber. This guys don't take matches where they don't have a clear advantage, and i mean clear as water.

Marquez is a dangerous fighter, but his peak, is well behind him.

One could argue that he's looked even better than Manny in their last 2 fights a piece though. That is, without counting that 1 round farce JMM had a few weeks ago.

 

[Spectrum]

Whaddaya think his face is for?