Why would you bring reality into this...? Floyd only fights bums at their weakest point. Now let's move on to real fights that will happen like Bradley vs Rios.
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Why would you bring reality into this...? Floyd only fights bums at their weakest point. Now let's move on to real fights that will happen like Bradley vs Rios.
Man..i'm gonna have to turn sigs off or stop coming in boxing threads.... i've seen a lot of shit on bgol but that sig is fucking disturbing
Never mind that Hatton and Marquez's big wins came at 140 and 135. That's like Sergio Martinez fighting Brandon Rios at 154 and justifying it by saying Rios just had a big win at 140.
Anyway, I do think it will be easier to make fights with Pacquiao because opponents will be less fearful and his bargaining power will be slightly less. I say slightly because even though he lost, he will still have some bargaining power for a while like DLH did even after he started losing.
It was their choice to move up and according to you, weight doesn't matter that much. Few pounds don't really make that much of a difference right?
That's exactly what just happened with Canelo and Josesito Lopez and nobody said SHEEEET.
So fuck all that. And Pacquiao's people have BEEN asking guys to move up and down for him so.....
Nobody has been running from Pac - if anything EVERYBODY from 140 - 154 has been wanting to get a piece of Pac. And fuck Floyd for 2013 too - Guerrero and Canelo.
It was their choice to move up and according to you, weight doesn't matter that much. Few pounds don't really make that much of a difference right?
That's exactly what just happened with Canelo and Josesito Lopez and nobody said SHEEEET.
Nobody has been running from Pac - if anything EVERYBODY from 140 - 154 has been wanting to get a piece of Pac. And fuck Floyd for 2013 too - Guerrero and Canelo.
I think you're confusing me with Alaskan. I think he's the one that says weight doesn't matter. As for me, I think catchweights don't matter as long as everyone agrees. Maybe that's what you're alluding to.
As for Floyd, I'd be surprised if he took on a powerful, undefeated young gun like Canelo. I'd give him props if he did that. As for him fighting Guerrero, I think that'd be lame.
I'd have no problem with Floyd if he fought more often. I can't stand any fighter that fights once a year and then goes around boasting about being the best. I think if you only fight once a year, you have no choice BUT to cherry pick. I see Floyd as kind of a shit or get off the pot kind of thing.
They should make a new standard where a guy has to fight at least 2 top ten guys a year in his division in order to remain P4P the best. Floyd's activity has been pitiful and it might come back to bite him on the ass.
This is basically who he has left to choose under the GBP stable. I've thought that he has been waiting for Berto to step up because that would've been a fight fans would have some buzz about, but since he got beat by Ortiz that derailed the first shot and this loss to Guerrero sealed it.
If GBP has a double-header with Canelo-Trout and Mayweather-Guerrero in May then I'm down...I doubt that it will come to fruition though
Yep.
Man..i'm gonna have to turn sigs off or stop coming in boxing threads.... i've seen a lot of shit on bgol but that sig is fucking disturbing
It was their choice to move up and according to you, weight doesn't matter that much. Few pounds don't really make that much of a difference right?
That's exactly what just happened with Canelo and Josesito Lopez and nobody said SHEEEET.
Nobody has been running from Pac - if anything EVERYBODY from 140 - 154 has been wanting to get a piece of Pac. And fuck Floyd for 2013 too - Guerrero and Canelo.
I'm co-signing all of this (yeah Zef, it was you) but more important to me is Guerrero and Canelo. I like Floyd but he's inactive so I have more interest in the guys who are fighting now and that include Ward and Martinez too.
Let me tell you why that's lame:
One, the P4P list isn't official so there can't be any rules for it. You can apply that standard if you want to but there's no way to enforce it for anyone else.
Two, fuck fighting two guys in the top ten, just fight the top guy at the time. I don't see what's proven by fighting a number 2 guy or number 3.
That would be nice and something UFC would do. I've been waiting for some boxing promotion to figure it out but I guess they won't.
It was their choice to move up and according to you, weight doesn't matter that much. Few pounds don't really make that much of a difference right?
That's exactly what just happened with Canelo and Josesito Lopez and nobody said SHEEEET.
Nobody has been running from Pac - if anything EVERYBODY from 140 - 154 has been wanting to get a piece of Pac. And fuck Floyd for 2013 too - Guerrero and Canelo.
I said the shit with this caveat, weight doesn't matter much to a fighter with skills. Now I will include fighters with the best quality in steroids for the Pacquiao's out there.
Plus when you got fighters showing up 20 lbs over the weight class that they are supposed to be fighting at... then the weight classes are a joke.
Also if motherfucker says they can fight at a weight and signs then I have nothing to say about the weight issue, but there is something to say about a fighter that always uses weight or anything else as an advantage which is why I'm critical of Pac in that regard. How is he elite and he always has to do something to get some type of edge on the other guys?
Guerrero doesn't deserve shit because he doesn't have a significant win to me, but hey if Floyd could be called out for ducking Berto and so many other people without significant wins in the past then I guess he has to fight this guy to... I don't like it but I didn't like Floyd fighting Cotto either.
Canelo is a little different because that kid destroys motherfuckers. I would like him to beat a Kirkland or Cotto first to pad out his resume but to be completely honest there is no one dude can fight right now that would make him ready.
Martinez still recovering and I think he is rematching Chavez for a reason I can't understand.
Who the fuck should Floyd be fighting?
I believe Pac's wife is going to force him to retire. If not Arum is going to force him to rematch Bradley, maybe Marquez if he stays or in the worst possible scenario fight Rios.
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Hate that shit.
Since Floyd likes that May fight, Canelo might have the chance to get in another high profile fight to set it up.
Fuck you mean you can't understand why?
That last round guarantees a rematch. To jaded guys like us, we don't see how it ends any differently but Chavez won a lot of fans with that single round. Fool's gold maybe but a lot of people lost a lot of money on fool's gold.
What a classic fight. I think it was Juan's time. He let the last fight slip away. And was getting pummeled to death in this one. But he did what we as fans all know. He caught Manny with a perfect shot. Beautiful shit. I want to see a fifth fight. Two guys like this have to do it again. Juan has the biggest win ever of a mexican fighter that I can think of since Chavez over Taylor. It was amazing.
This is how I saw it Manny was winning/doing ok untill Marquez got that first knock down on him. It was shocking as well as embarassing to Pacquiao and his pride.Manny wanted to quickly even the score..and to his credit he DID in fact score a return knock down against Marquez. Manny started to turn the heat up even MORE but it was EASY or so it seemed at the time. Pacquiao IMO appeared to now be rushing his punches and lunging BUT to that point he was getting away with it.
Again Manny lands a good punch and thought MAYBE I can end it right here..but he had Marquez in front of him..a True warrior..one that doesn't give in easily. Marquez started to fight back desprately against the ropes.
To ME it looked like Marquez was moving his head to the left to avoid a punch while throwing a "back up off me manny so I can gather myself a bit" kinda punch. The punch was thrown with alota force in an attempt to fight himself off the ropes. I don't even think HE thought that punch would land..less alone be with so much force it would knockout Manny but more like.. Hey if I can hurt this guy alittle MAYBE I can buy myself some time...enough to get back into the fight. Marquez was behind on the score cards at that time in the fight. So lets get this right people..Marquez lands ONE PUNCH that completely KO's PacquiaoTo me It was a good punch but also a lucky punch to have landed RIGHT ON THE BUTTON IMO..because it appeared HE himself was about to be KO'd or at least knock down again..he was hurt and fighting in desprate mode..ALL fighters are dangerous in such a survival mode..that same shit happen years ago to
"Carl The Truth Williams" He was beating the shit outta dude against the ropes when out of nowhere the other dude lands a haymaker of a right hand on the chin..nite nite fight over.
This usually happens to fighters that BRING IT! The ones that are the aggresser Manny knew if HE didn't bring it to marquez most likely Marquez was gonna lay back plot..wait...counter punch grab & hold here and there..the fight would be less exciting so he took a chance..but the gamble didn't go his way this time.My only complaint against Manny's fighting style is that he lunges at times against good fighters and THAT can spell disaster when in front of the right guy "Marquez"...in this case it proved to be the WRONG time and against the wrong fighter to pull such a move. Marquez has ALWAYS been a good fighter/counter puncher.. he AND his brother.At one time I thought his brother looked to be the better of the two because he was good at counter punching PLUS he would always be the aggresser in the fight. When a fighter is being aggressive with an outstanding counter puncher these are the risks you take. Manny has NOTHING to be ashamed of..he did his thang and was doing his thang when he got caught.
Damn good fight while it lasted IMO.Will there be a 5th fight? I think so because of the dramatic way this one ended. IMO if there IS a 5th fight and Manny lays back when he is ahead on the score cards he will assure an easy when most likely..will it be as exciting as THIS one was? nope. Manny try's to always be a crowd pleaser (the kind of fighter I prefer) so my hat goes off to you Manny Pacquiao sir and if you retire off this loss I thank you for all the EXCITMENT you brought into the ring and to the sport of boxing
Again Manny lands a good punch and thought MAYBE I can end it right here..but he had Marquez in front of him..a True warrior..one that doesn't give in easily. Marquez started to fight back desprately against the ropes.
To ME it looked like Marquez was moving his head to the left to avoid a punch while throwing a "back up off me manny so I can gather myself a bit" kinda punch. The punch was thrown with alota force in an attempt to fight himself off the ropes. I don't even think HE thought that punch would land..less alone be with so much force it would knockout Manny but more like.. Hey if I can hurt this guy alittle MAYBE I can buy myself some time...enough to get back into the fight. Marquez was behind on the score cards at that time in the fight. So lets get this right people..Marquez lands ONE PUNCH that completely KO's Pacquiao
To me It was a good punch but also a lucky punch to have landed RIGHT ON THE BUTTON IMO..because it appeared HE himself was about to be KO'd or at least knock down again..he was hurt and fighting in desprate mode..ALL fighters are dangerous in such a survival mode..that same shit happen years ago to "Carl The Truth Williams" He was beating the shit outta dude against the ropes when out of nowhere the other dude lands a haymaker of a right hand on the chin..nite nite fight over.
This usually happens to fighters that BRING IT! The ones that are the aggresser Manny knew if HE didn't bring it to marquez most likely Marquez was gonna lay back plot..wait...counter punch grab & hold here and there..the fight would be less exciting so he took a chance..but the gamble didn't go his way this time.My only complaint against Manny's fighting style is that he lunges at times against good fighters and THAT can spell disaster when in front of the right guy "Marquez"...in this case it proved to be the WRONG time and against the wrong fighter to pull such a move. Marquez has ALWAYS been a good fighter/counter puncher.. he AND his brother.At one time I thought his brother looked to be the better of the two because he was good at counter punching PLUS he would always be the aggresser in the fight. When a fighter is being aggressive with an outstanding counter puncher these are the risks you take. Manny has NOTHING to be ashamed of..he did his thang and was doing his thang when he got caught.
Damn good fight while it lasted IMO.Will there be a 5th fight? I think so because of the dramatic way this one ended. IMO if there IS a 5th fight and Manny lays back when he is ahead on the score cards he will assure an easy when most likely..will it be as exciting as THIS one was? nope. Manny try's to always be a crowd pleaser (the kind of fighter I prefer) so my hat goes off to you Manny Pacquiao sir and if you retire off this loss I thank you for all the EXCITMENT you brought into the ring and to the sport of boxing
This is how I saw it Manny was winning/doing ok untill Marquez got that first knock down on him. It was shocking as well as embarassing to Pacquiao and his pride.Manny wanted to quickly even the score..and to his credit he DID in fact score a return knock down against Marquez. Manny started to turn the heat up even MORE but it was EASY or so it seemed at the time. Pacquiao IMO appeared to now be rushing his punches and lunging BUT to that point he was getting away with it.
Again Manny lands a good punch and thought MAYBE I can end it right here..but he had Marquez in front of him..a True warrior..one that doesn't give in easily. Marquez started to fight back desprately against the ropes.
To ME it looked like Marquez was moving his head to the left to avoid a punch while throwing a "back up off me manny so I can gather myself a bit" kinda punch. The punch was thrown with alota force in an attempt to fight himself off the ropes. I don't even think HE thought that punch would land..less alone be with so much force it would knockout Manny but more like.. Hey if I can hurt this guy alittle MAYBE I can buy myself some time...enough to get back into the fight. Marquez was behind on the score cards at that time in the fight. So lets get this right people..Marquez lands ONE PUNCH that completely KO's Pacquiao
"Carl The Truth Williams" He was beating the shit outta dude against the ropes when out of nowhere the other dude lands a haymaker of a right hand on the chin..nite nite fight over.
This usually happens to fighters that BRING IT! The ones that are the aggresser Manny knew if HE didn't bring it to marquez most likely Marquez was gonna lay back plot..wait...counter punch grab & hold here and there..the fight would be less exciting so he took a chance..but the gamble didn't go his way this time.My only complaint against Manny's fighting style is that he lunges at times against good fighters and THAT can spell disaster when in front of the right guy "Marquez"...in this case it proved to be the WRONG time and against the wrong fighter to pull such a move. Marquez has ALWAYS been a good fighter/counter puncher.. he AND his brother.At one time I thought his brother looked to be the better of the two because he was good at counter punching PLUS he would always be the aggresser in the fight. When a fighter is being aggressive with an outstanding counter puncher these are the risks you take. Manny has NOTHING to be ashamed of..he did his thang and was doing his thang when he got caught.
Damn good fight while it lasted IMO.Will there be a 5th fight? I think so because of the dramatic way this one ended. IMO if there IS a 5th fight and Manny lays back when he is ahead on the score cards he will assure an easy when most likely..will it be as exciting as THIS one was? nope. Manny try's to always be a crowd pleaser (the kind of fighter I prefer) so my hat goes off to you Manny Pacquiao sir and if you retire off this loss I thank you for all the EXCITMENT you brought into the ring and to the sport of boxing
I disagree. The punch he hit Manny with in the 3rd and the punch that ko'd him were identical. The only difference was Manny. The first punch landed - he was moving backwards. When the second punch landed he was jumping in full force. Marquez had been timing him all fight and measuring him for that right hand. He missed an identical right hand shot seconds before he ko'd Manny. That punched was planned, executed and landed perfectly. Juan knew Manny would go all out to KO him and he planned for it.
Marquez lands ONE PUNCH that completely KO's Pacquiao
Far from desperation mode. He wasn't hurt in that round. He just timed out Pacman and landed a shot that he threw just a few seconds before.. Pacman repeated the same sequence and he just landed it square this time.
I been looking and it is clear that YES he set that up..but the LUCK part was the One punch KO IMO that doesn't happen every day. Good fight while it lasted tho.
Doubt it was luck - Manny isn't exactly a defensive wiz. And Marquez is a masterful boxer even at 39 so I'm pretty sure at some point in the fight he would have landed that right and sent Manny to the showers. Though I did have Pac winning the fight by a point when he got ko'd.
Well, I think a Manny and PBF is closer to reality. PBF has pushed aside fights against credible opposition before and waited for them to get some wear and tear. Well Manny has to look more attractive to him now with this loss. Even though I am more concerned that Manny was knocked out that beaten by decision. Knock out take a toll on fighters and play a role in how future fighters game plan against them. The saving grace for Manny is his lost was against a guy he went 40 plus rounds with. So the lost which was well earned may have less impact as if the fight was against a different fighter. Most other fighters have to figure out what they can do against an opponent. Juan knew exactly what he needed and could do. Awesome fight. I hope this fight makes PBF take a closer look at a fight with Manny. Manny beat Bradley in my opinion and was beating Juan until he got caught. I am interested in seeing them fight now. I like to see if Manny can regain his place in the sport or if PBF can inflict more damage to Manny.
Pacquiao-Marquez IV punch stats
Punches Pacquiao Marquez
Jabs 26 of 108 (24%) 11 of 96 (11%)
Power 68 of 148 (46%) 41 of 150 (27%)
Total 94 of 256 (37%) 52 of 246 (21%)
*Courtesy of CompuBox
Pacquiao-Marquez IV punch stats
Punches Pacquiao Marquez
Jabs 26 of 108 (24%) 11 of 96 (11%)
Power 68 of 148 (46%) 41 of 150 (27%)
Total 94 of 256 (37%) 52 of 246 (21%)
*Courtesy of CompuBox
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Very logical thinking here
If a 5th fight happens the split should be 50/50.
Fuck it - winner take all.
