Overpriced Euro-bum Jaric asks to be traded..

Rollie_Fingaz

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I hated this dude when he came to Minnesota. McHale should have kept Cassell and Sprewell.

These goodbyes not worth tears
The Timberwolves have been playing well lately. Now things really are looking up.

Eddie Griffin, who makes J.R. Rider look like a born-again Christian, has given the Wolves every reason to dump him. His latest suspension, for violating the NBA's anti-drug policy, provides the perfect excuse to rid the organization of an embarrassing problem.

But wait, it gets better. Finally, Marko Jaric has stepped forward to help the Timberwolves. He has asked to be traded.

Let's hope Glen Taylor takes him seriously. If so, it looks as if some of the Wolves' dead weight might be cleared at last. Goodbye, Griffin; goodbye, Jaric. What a great start to peace and harmony on and off the court.

Yes, Jaric has four more years — and an ungodly sum of money — remaining on his contract. That Kevin McHale is a real sharpie. But that's the great thing about the NBA. There always are teams looking to dump one high-priced problem for another. It's worth a shot.

Coach Dwane Casey has been in a difficult position. How does he work youngsters into the lineup at the expense of high-priced veterans and still keep the peace? Troy Hudson, Griffin and Jaric all have expressed displeasure at their reduced roles. Griffin and Hudson haven't even had roles. They've been expensive bench ornaments.

"I've been in this, in college and the pros, since 1979 and always, always somebody is not happy about playing time," Casey said before Saturday night's game against the Nets.

Then his team beat New Jersey on the strength of a solid fourth quarter.

"Good ball movement," Casey beamed. "I loved the fact they were diving on the floor."

The Nets made one run when their guards started playing pick and roll. You seldom see two guards doing that in the NBA. Casey made the defensive adjustment by "inverting the switches," and the Wolves were on their way.

Key performers down the stretch included youngsters Randy Foye and Bracey Wright. When Rashad McCants comes back, other veterans will lose playing time. Of course, the rotation isn't set in stone. A hard-working player could bust his way back into the picture. Casey said there are two types of unhappy campers: "Some guys do something about it. Some guys talk about it."

We've got a lot of talkers here.

"I don't think anyone has really played themselves out of their position," Casey noted.

Griffin might be the ultimate piece of work. That's saying a lot for a franchise that has had its share of beauties over the years. Eddie hadn't played in 14 consecutive games before his latest suspension. So the Wolves might not yet realize that he's missing.

This fellow has embarrassed the Wolves organization, which is hard to do. People still are making jokes about last summer's parking lot-porno escapade. He'll get no sympathy on this end. If he does have any sort of problem, he also has the best resources in the world to help him overcome it.

As a pro athlete, he can avail himself of the best treatment or counseling that money can buy. All he has to do is want to do better. Most people have to struggle through their troubles without such help. Chances are that Eddie is going to meet a very bad end.

The Loop is going to miss him.

Jaric is another Kevin McHale Special. Which is to say he's been not just a bust but an expensive bust. It soon became apparent that he was not the answer at point guard. He has been complaining ever since he was demoted. Surely he'll do better somewhere else.

I think McHale has billions of dollars tied up in dysfunctional point guards. Getting rid of Jaric would constitute an uncharacteristic burst of good judgment.

Meanwhile, Casey should get a contract extension. He has put up with an awful lot of nonsense. He's rebuilding, yet he's not rebuilding. We can't call it that because Kevin Garnett would become discouraged.

Now we have unlikely circumstances that seem to have floated down from heaven. One wacko deserves to disappear. One unhappy camper is asking to disappear.

What luck!
 
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praying that Rod Thorn did not see this article

You know at some point winning has to take precedent
over how much money a player is making. If the 10 mil
guy is playing like a bum, he can't be benched??

I say, let his ass sit and stew. Meanwhile, if I play the
young, hungry cats and keeping winning games, fans
should come out and support the team. And we'll still
make money

At least in theory. It doesn't happen if you go out and
pay bums absorbitant sums of money.

It's why I wopn't knock Isiah. He may overpay people,
but if you give him time, he WILL get his money's worth
out of the player (with the possible exception of Jerome James)
 
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i called out marko jaric for the bum he was back when he was with the clippers.

like most euros of note, marko jaric does have something to bring to the table: athleticism and spurts of energetic play.

but again like most euros of note, his decision making is piss poor, his shot selection is dreadful, and his feel for the rhythm of the game doesn't exist.

where are all the idiots that say GMs are brilliant and know more about estimating talent?

:smh:
 
cranrab said:
i called out marko jaric for the bum he was back when he was with the clippers.

like most euros of note, marko jaric does have something to bring to the table: athleticism and spurts of energetic play.

but again like most euros of note, his decision making is piss poor, his shot selection is dreadful, and his feel for the rhythm of the game doesn't exist.

where are all the idiots that say GMs are brilliant and know more about estimating talent?

:smh:

I don't even think thay have athletic ability. They possess the fundamentals that the average american players lack. That being said Jaric was a bum that was in a system that worked to his strengths. The offense was kept very simple. When he came to the T-Wolves, he stunk the joint up.

I'm starting to see you can put any point guard in the Clippers offense and they will do well.
 
Rollie_Fingaz said:
They possess the fundamentals that the average american players lack.

I dont even agree with that. Some of them are good shooters but that isnt the only fundamental skill of basketball. How many euros are amoung league leaders in assists? steals? rebounds?

Their defense is awful and their inability to make sound decisions and poor ball handling is always a problem.

Other than Nowitzki, non of them will be remembered as a game changing player. Nothing more than David Stern trying to fill a quota.

EDIT:

Biedrins from Golden State does lead the league in FG% at the moment.

He also leads the league in PFs along with Memhet Okur at #2 :lol:
 
Rollie_Fingaz said:
I don't even think thay have athletic ability.

by athletic ability i typically mean mobility and agility where euros are concerned. i assure you that i'm not referring to explosive quickness or leapers. :D

guys like gordon giricek, marko jaric and jose calderon may not be able to break down the D off the dribble, but they can move well without the ball and run the floor in transition.

Rollie_Fingaz said:
They possess the fundamentals that the average american players lack.

euros are technically proficient. i've always felt that "fundamentally sound" is overstating the case. their technical proficiency doesn't always translate to game day results. most often you have tall euros with outside touch on the floor to stretch the defense (dirk nowitzki, predrag stojakovic, hedo turkoglu).

watching euros on the floor is like watching a bunch of guys play H-O-R-S-E with set shots. no innovation. :(
 
That link you posted has a redirect in it. It's very difficult to reply.
Plz edit it out or something. Thanks
 
xfactor said:
I dont even agree with that. Some of them are good shooters but that isnt the only fundamental skill of basketball. How many euros are amoung league leaders in assists? steals? rebounds?

Their defense is awful and their inability to make sound decisions and poor ball handling is always a problem.

Other than Nowitzki, non of them will be remembered as a game changing player. Nothing more than David Stern trying to fill a quota.

EDIT:

Biedrins from Golden State does lead the league in FG% at the moment.

He also leads the league in PFs along with Memhet Okur at #2 :lol:

What I mean by fundamentals is that they survive on basic basketball skills

All Euro big men are required ro be able to hit mid-range jumpers. The mid range jumper is a lost art in America because coaches don't stress it enough. Sam Cassell eats off of it. But how many U.S. players knock that shot down with regularity. And don't even get me started on free throws.

My grandfather told it to me like this:

When you're young you learn the trade
As you get older you learn the tricks of the trade.
When you get old, you forgot the trade and survive off of the tricks.

American players stopped learning the trade..their fundamentals suck.Euros have better fundamentals than the average U.S. player. (I've watched Biddy basketbll coaches run whole practices wiothout any shooting or footwork drills and wonder why they got killed by a prep squad that wasn't flashy, but ran the same boring fundamental plays over and over again.) Five Euros ran pick and roll on the U.S. squad (Greece) and won. But in the NBA they get torched nightly. The ones that survive are ones that are put in simple systems where all they have to do is get to a spot on the floor and shoot or whatever it is thet do.

RunawaySlave said:
That link you posted has a redirect in it. It's very difficult to reply.
Plz edit it out or something. Thanks

done deal.
 
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Rollie_Fingaz said:
What I mean by fundamentals is that they survive on basic basketball skills

All Euro big men are required ro be able to hit mid-range jumpers. The mid range jumper is a lost art in America because coaches don't stress it enough.


Wait a minute.....jump shooting for a "big" man is not a fundamental
skill. Rebounding and blocking shots are. And most Euros are woefully
lacking in that department. Even if they aren't great at rebs or shot
blocking, a 7 footer should at least be versed in patrolling the paint.
Dirk Nitwitski, the most prolific of the euros, SUCKS in these things.
Although he does at least get rebounds (many on missed FTs)


Jump shots for players 6'9" and above are most or less a luxury. The
fundamental skill for such players would be the art of scoring INSIDE
points. Because in order to play WINNING basketball (the whole reason
why fundamentals are important), it is the team who makes the most
INSIDE points (meaning layups) who usually wins. And it is not the
job of the Mugsy Bogues of the world to get those layups. It's the
BIG mans' job. Even if he doesn't get many attempts (like a Mutumbo).
All or most of his points should come in the paint.

If a 6'10" player does the "big man" things, THEN has a nice touch from
20 feet out, it is a nice bonus. But if he doesn't get those things done...
If he averages 5 rebounds a game (for his career) like 7'4" Rik Smits
AND teams have no fear of him and drive to the hoop at will (like they
do on Dirk), then I say that big man is NOT fundamentally sound

That's just my opinion
 
RunawaySlave said:
Wait a minute.....jump shooting for a "big" man is not a fundamental
skill. Rebounding and blocking shots are. And most Euros are woefully
lacking in that department. Even if they aren't great at rebs or shot
blocking, a 7 footer should at least be versed in patrolling the paint.
Dirk Nitwitski, the most prolific of the euros, SUCKS in these things.
Although he does at least get rebounds (many on missed FTs)


Jump shots for players 6'9" and above are most or less a luxury. The
fundamental skill for such players would be the art of scoring INSIDE
points. Because in order to play WINNING basketball (the whole reason
why fundamentals are important), it is the team who makes the most
INSIDE points (meaning layups) who usually wins. And it is not the
job of the Mugsy Bogues of the world to get those layups. It's the
BIG mans' job. Even if he doesn't get many attempts (like a Mutumbo).
All or most of his points should come in the paint.

If a 6'10" player does the "big man" things, THEN has a nice touch from
20 feet out, it is a nice bonus. But if he doesn't get those things done...
If he averages 5 rebounds a game (for his career) like 7'4" Rik Smits
AND teams have no fear of him and drive to the hoop at will (like they
do on Dirk), then I say that big man is NOT fundamentally sound

That's just my opinion

I can respect that...but jump shooting is as fundamental as you can get. If the play breaks down and you're left wide open. I EXPECT you to knock that wide open 15-20 footer down, or you don't get the rock. Dosen't matter if you're Georghe Muresan or Earl Boykins.

It kills me when I see games lost because an NBA player can't make an open jumper of make a free throw.

This is why certain players stand out and others don't. Euros are robotic in the way they stay in a system, but when the play breaks down or their pet move is cut off they don't know what to do. But you can run pick and roll with pretty much any euro big man and they can hit the J if the ball is passed back to them.

Big men should have good footwork and rebound..but I still expect them to do shit you should be taught in biddy basketball.
 
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