Opinions of Actinanass, Part 2: Another edition of "the opinion of actinanass"

[Lamarr]

Re: Another edition of "the opinion of actinanass"

It took about 225 years for the US to create a 1 trillion dollar debt. It took Reagan and GHW Bush 12 years to have 3 trillion dollar debt. Were they conservatives? Conservatism never meant fiscal thriftiness. Conservation means jingoistic military bullying, racism and preservation of the wealthy class. Name a conservative politician that has ever had the interest of the ENTIRE nation at heart?

JFK was extremely conservative! By todays standards, Clinton displayed more conservatism than W or his daddy. Thanx for proving my point playboy! You don't have to have an 'R' next to your name to govern conservatively.

 

[actinanass]

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It would appear that you are part of the so called "ultra radical wing of BGOL," since clearly the majority of members of BGOL are very much apposed to the conservative/Republican point of view that was so soundly rejected in the 2009 general election. You are not in the mainstream of thinking of BGOL.

2008 election....


Mainstream BGOL member do not take their time to look at all sides. Plus, I've talk to people OFF THE RECORD that agrees with majority of what I'm saying. The problem is, we have fuckheads like YOU that will terrorize them if they spoke out on some issues. Believe it or not, mainstream BGOL comes on here for PORN/MUSIC/MOVIES, not for their political fix.

So, basically, if I'm radical with my thinking, your on the other extreme end.

BTW, socially speaking, I guarantee you that majority of people on BGOL will oppose liberal thought when it concerns things such as gay marriage, or gun control.

 

[QueEx]

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So, basically, if I'm radical with my thinking, your on the other extreme end.

BTW, socially speaking, I guarantee you that majority of people on BGOL will oppose liberal thought when it concerns things such as gay marriage, or gun control.

Well, T.O., . . . does he have a point ? ? ?

QueEx

 

[thoughtone]

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2008 election....

Mainstream BGOL member do not take their time to look at all sides. Plus, I've talk to people OFF THE RECORD that agrees with majority of what I'm saying. The problem is, we have fuckheads like YOU that will terrorize them if they spoke out on some issues. Believe it or not, mainstream BGOL comes on here for PORN/MUSIC/MOVIES, not for their political fix.

Typical right wing thinking. If you can't back up your arguments with FACTS, they cry intimidation. Accusing those that see right through the bullshit as not looking at all sides. The conservatives are the least informed. From what I see, hear and read, the right is the most bullying force. Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'ReallY, Sean Insanity, the republican congress threatening to suspend years of parliamentary protocol by threatening to end the filibuster, Nixon and his enemies list, GW by using federal prosecutors for political purposes. Shall I go on?

The five or so people that you claim are afraid to air their views on this board (Greed, Fuckyall, Greedy smuf, yourself and maybe two others) who may be one in the same people are just as misinformed as you are. This board is clearly for " Politics and the Topics of the day." Those that post here know what his forum is for.

So, basically, if I'm radical with my thinking, your on the other extreme end.

You are the one throwing around labels. You are the one that called me radical. Obama won by 53%. Did you vote for Obama? you are the one on the outside of mainstream thought. You maybe in the majority in the outskirts of Dallas, but the country as a whole is not with you.

BTW, socially speaking, I guarantee you that majority of people on BGOL will oppose liberal thought when it concerns things such as gay marriage, or gun control.

If the BGOL members were so conservative, they would not even be looking at porn, or is that another conservative republican family value?

 

[thoughtone]

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JFK was extremely conservative! By todays standards, Clinton displayed more conservatism than W or his daddy. Thanx for proving my point playboy! You don't have to have an 'R' next to your name to govern conservatively.

Wow, so when Clinton raise taxes in 1993, proposed "don't ask, don't tell" in the military and extended the Brady gun law he was acting conservative. Revisionism is a muthafucka to defend conservatism.

 

[thoughtone]

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Well, T.O., . . . does he have a point ? ? ?

QueEx

No!

 

[Lamarr]

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Wow, so when Clinton raise taxes in 1993, proposed "don't ask, don't tell" in the military and extended the Brady gun law he was acting conservative. Revisionism is a muthafucka to defend conservatism.

T. O, ok, My statement was subjective, but check it out. Bush AND Clinton raised taxes, remember, 'Read My Lips'? Both were participants in an interventionist foreign policy with Gulf War 1 and Kosovo. For the record, we should not have to police the world through UN Mandates! We need to be out of the UN!

At the same time, take a look at welform reform. After that, the handling of the 1st WTC attack was correct. It is a law enforcement issue, which W completely dropped the ball on. Clinton was successful because he kept spending low. 'W' tripled the size of govt and got us into more debt than ever. Do you really belive W is conservative?

 

[actinanass]

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No!

ok, the burden of proof is on your end....

Here's what you can do, start a gay rights thread on the main board, and see what happens...

 

[actinanass]

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T. O, ok, My statement was subjective, but check it out. Bush AND Clinton raised taxes, remember, 'Read My Lips'? Both were participants in an interventionist foreign policy with Gulf War 1 and Kosovo. For the record, we should not have to police the world through UN Mandates! We need to be out of the UN!

At the same time, take a look at welform reform. After that, the handling of the 1st WTC attack was correct. It is a law enforcement issue, which W completely dropped the ball on. Clinton was successful because he kept spending low. 'W' tripled the size of govt and got us into more debt than ever. Do you really belive W is conservative?

I agree that the first WTC attack was a law enforcement issue, however, W's action was justified because of Clinton's irresponsible foreign policy. Meaning, he did not successfully attack Bin Laden when Bin Laden was vulnerable.

In Bush Jr's first term, he was a fiscal conservative *think of Bush tax cuts*. This is how our stock market reached record highs *research 2002-2004 stock market numbers*. However, during his second term, became more of an social conservative. The difference is, fiscal conservatives would NEVER agree with how Bush offered all that money for katrina victims *notice that you do not hear much from ACTUAL Katrina victims anymore*. Social conservatives tend to be the most compassionate group of people in politics. I believe there's an NY TIMES article stating how conservatives tend to give more to CHARITY than any other group in the political landscape. This explains why now we have a deficit higher than Clinton's term.

 

[Lamarr]

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I agree that the first WTC attack was a law enforcement issue, however, W's action was justified because of Clinton's irresponsible foreign policy. Meaning, he did not successfully attack Bin Laden when Bin Laden was vulnerable.

In Bush Jr's first term, he was a fiscal conservative *think of Bush tax cuts*. This is how our stock market reached record highs *research 2002-2004 stock market numbers*. However, during his second term, became more of an social conservative. The difference is, fiscal conservatives would NEVER agree with how Bush offered all that money for katrina victims *notice that you do not hear much from ACTUAL Katrina victims anymore*. Social conservatives tend to be the most compassionate group of people in politics. I believe there's an NY TIMES article stating how conservatives tend to give more to CHARITY than any other group in the political landscape. This explains why now we have a deficit higher than Clinton's term.

The Bush Tax Cuts. I believe tax cuts are a good thing but they will only have the desired effect if spending is under control. So the end result was to print money to cover the shortfall of revenue from expenses. That lead to an increase in food and energy costs. That was the unintended consequence of the Bush Tax Cuts and I fear Mr. Obama is heading down the same road. Thats why I say 'Tax cuts in the time of war is economic lunacy'.

9/11, its still a law enforcement issue. I can't justify bombing the crap out of Afghanistan without taking a hard look at Saudi Arabia (15 of the 19 hijackers originated there), At least thats what the media told us!

Katrina, let's not talk about Bush's handling of that. I'll just say this, the levees are still not fixed but we have more FEMA Camps and police for the solution the next time an incident like this happens. It appears to me that is the solution for everything nowadays, More military, More FEMA Camps! Additional Spending is justified when you protect your citizens. FIX THE LEVEES!

 

[actinanass]

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The Bush Tax Cuts. I believe tax cuts are a good thing but they will only have the desired effect if spending is under control. So the end result was to print money to cover the shortfall of revenue from expenses. That lead to an increase in food and energy costs. That was the unintended consequence of the Bush Tax Cuts and I fear Mr. Obama is heading down the same road. Thats why I say 'Tax cuts in the time of war is economic lunacy'.

9/11, its still a law enforcement issue. I can't justify bombing the crap out of Afghanistan without taking a hard look at Saudi Arabia (15 of the 19 hijackers originated there), At least thats what the media told us!

Katrina, let's not talk about Bush's handling of that. I'll just say this, the levees are still not fixed but we have more FEMA Camps and police for the solution the next time an incident like this happens. It appears to me that is the solution for everything nowadays, More military, More FEMA Camps! Additional Spending is justified when you protect your citizens. FIX THE LEVEES!

on the first point, you hit it on the head..... However, it's not BUSH'S fault that the republicans went against the true conservative agenda. What people needs to understand that a president is only as good as his congress. About that "Tax cuts during a time for war is economic lunacy" comment, let me remind you one thing. During a time of war, the way you regain a stable economy is to either use the draft *referring to World War 2*, or give tax cuts to the class that CREATES JOBS. I believe most of everyone in here needs to study economics again.

Seriously, how raising taxes make more jobs? I mean damn this is common sense type shit...

Ok, lets say 9-11 is a law enforcement issue. How do we SUCCESSFULLY conduct the law outside of our shores? Have we forgot that Clinton treated this as a law enforcement issue, and we had more terrorist attacks under him? That law enforcement strategy is outdated like the WISHBONE offense.... BTW, didn't Bush waited until late october before he attacked Afghanistan? How do you know that he didn't LOOK IN TO what you stated? I guess Bush needs to come to each, and everyone's front door and explain what he has done/planning to do.


I do agree that they need to fix the levees. However, it seems to me that you do not pass the blame on the lack of leadership on the state/local level. Again, Bush is limited in what he can do. The dude isn't God *in some cases OBAMA to some*. To measure Bush's handling of Katrina is to look at the survivors that have had their situations APPROVED since Katrina. Something many probably cannot fathom.

 

[Lamarr]

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on the first point, you hit it on the head..... However, it's not BUSH'S fault that the republicans went against the true conservative agenda. What people needs to understand that a president is only as good as his congress. About that "Tax cuts during a time for war is economic lunacy" comment, let me remind you one thing. During a time of war, the way you regain a stable economy is to either use the draft *referring to World War 2*, or give tax cuts to the class that CREATES JOBS. I believe most of everyone in here needs to study economics again.

Seriously, how raising taxes make more jobs? I mean damn this is common sense type shit...

ok, Question? How can you agree on my first point of tax cuts being good if spending is under control without acknowledging spending on this war is astronomical. Thats why I say 'Tax cuts in time of war is economic lunacy'. My point is this: If you stop the wars, the economy would rebound in no time because spending would drop. But as long as were imposing democracy in the Middle East, we will plunge deeper into debt and the only recourse the govt has is to print more money. The war and the economy are connected, the sooner people recognize this, we can turn the corner and start healing our nation.

2 questions, How many jobs did the 'Bush' tax cuts generate? How many people think the 'Obama' tax cuts will have a different result? They are doing the same thing only Obama may give more tax cuts.

Damn, this is some common sense type shit. Get out of the war NOW and stop oppressing the 'brown' people!

 

[actinanass]

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ok, Question? How can you agree on my first point of tax cuts being good if spending is under control without acknowledging spending on this war is astronomical. Thats why I say 'Tax cuts in time of war is economic lunacy'. My point is this: If you stop the wars, the economy would rebound in no time because spending would drop. But as long as were imposing democracy in the Middle East, we will plunge deeper into debt and the only recourse the govt has is to print more money. The war and the economy are connected, the sooner people recognize this, we can turn the corner and start healing our nation.

2 questions, How many jobs did the 'Bush' tax cuts generate? How many people think the 'Obama' tax cuts will have a different result? They are doing the same thing only Obama may give more tax cuts.

Damn, this is some common sense type shit. Get out of the war NOW and stop oppressing the 'brown' people!

The war spending isn't the problem, its the earmarks congress happily pass through fine print in necessary bills in which Bush passed. This is why I agree with giving a president the line item veto so this type of shit can be fixed. However, majority of the liberals do not want ANY president to have that type of power. Earmarks drove the spending crazy WAY MORE than the war on terror. Spending is what drove the republicans out of congress, not the war.

Under Bush's term, he created close to 5 million new jobs. However, that's not factoring all the private businesses that were created in the process. Obama will probably create more jobs, however, there will be less opportunity for movement due to his tax plan in the long run. On this link, Clinton did create way more jobs during his term. Mostly from the internet boom of the middle 90's. Bush just added on the already good job market Clinton had. Lets remember this, however, look at the type of congress President Clinton dealt with during the middle/late 90's, and look at the type of congress Bush had to deal with during 06-08. Clinton had a congress that didn't like him, however, they worked for him for the better of the country. Bush had a congress that wanted to stab him in the back at any moments notice.

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/22...ile-tax-and-spend-clinton-created-23-million/

As for Obama, I think his thing would work if he do not push things through so fast. If he push tax hikes too fast, then he will be a 1 term president....

 

[Lamarr]

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The war spending isn't the problem, its the earmarks congress happily pass through fine print in necessary bills in which Bush passed. This is why I agree with giving a president the line item veto so this type of shit can be fixed. However, majority of the liberals do not want ANY president to have that type of power. Earmarks drove the spending crazy WAY MORE than the war on terror. Spending is what drove the republicans out of congress, not the war.

Under Bush's term, he created close to 5 million new jobs. However, that's not factoring all the private businesses that were created in the process. Obama will probably create more jobs, however, there will be less opportunity for movement due to his tax plan in the long run. On this link, Clinton did create way more jobs during his term. Mostly from the internet boom of the middle 90's. Bush just added on the already good job market Clinton had. Lets remember this, however, look at the type of congress President Clinton dealt with during the middle/late 90's, and look at the type of congress Bush had to deal with during 06-08. Clinton had a congress that didn't like him, however, they worked for him for the better of the country. Bush had a congress that wanted to stab him in the back at any moments notice.

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/22...ile-tax-and-spend-clinton-created-23-million/

As for Obama, I think his thing would work if he do not push things through so fast. If he push tax hikes too fast, then he will be a 1 term president....

earmarks, line-item veto, I agree with your statements. 'War spending isn't the problem', I disagree. Not only are govt contracters and banks getting rich from this fiasco, Our kids are getting hurt and even killed in the name of promoting democracy through the barrel of a gun. It was a mistake to go, therefore, it is a mistake to stay. Yes, I'm a fiscal conservative but these wars are immoral, I cannot support the mission.

When looking at job creation, I'm more concerned with the quality of jobs as opposed to the quantity. After NAFTA was passed, our manufacturing base desintegrated and Bush's phony consumer-based economy flourished. (we traded engineers for bartenders!) Please notice how both parties are at fault for the direction of the country for at least 20 yrs!

 

[QueEx]

For those who want to know, here's part 2.

 

[VegasGuy]

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"My concern now about Obama is that he has turned a little bit too sensitive. By all honesty, the "republican" attack machine hasn't even been turn on, yet he feels the heat."

What is there to debate? For me beyond this sentence, the balance has to fall by the wayside. The Terror network has been in full effect since candidate Obama won the democratic nomination.

Rupert Murdocs Terror Network has been editing Obama's speeches, creating lies about what he's said and his intentions, endorsing far right activists aka, the klan, attacking President Obama's children AND his wife Michelle, your people have threatened the mans life over and over again and you want to talk like, it's been a mild winter.

All that is not supposed to affect the man at all in your opinion. He continues to try to include you in his decisions but you insist his decisions must be yours and it doesn't work that way.

Obama won. You lost. Get over it.

-VG

 

[actinanass]

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"My concern now about Obama is that he has turned a little bit too sensitive. By all honesty, the "republican" attack machine hasn't even been turn on, yet he feels the heat."

What is there to debate? For me beyond this sentence, the balance has to fall by the wayside. The Terror network has been in full effect since candidate Obama won the democratic nomination.

Rupert Murdocs Terror Network has been editing Obama's speeches, creating lies about what he's said and his intentions, endorsing far right activists aka, the klan, attacking President Obama's children AND his wife Michelle, your people have threatened the mans life over and over again and you want to talk like, it's been a mild winter.

All that is not supposed to affect the man at all in your opinion. He continues to try to include you in his decisions but you insist his decisions must be yours and it doesn't work that way.

Obama won. You lost. Get over it.

-VG

I've been over it since Nov. 4.

I find it funny that some people on this forum still try to find republicans to put under the bus. I mean, damn why are you worried about the RIGHT when your side have ALL the power? If I say that your side is scared of the RIGHT, then all you going to do is deny it. So what is it VG, THOUGHT, and whoever?

 

[VegasGuy]

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I've been over it since Nov. 4.

I find it funny that some people on this forum still try to find republicans to put under the bus. I mean, damn why are you worried about the RIGHT when your side have ALL the power? If I say that your side is scared of the RIGHT, then all you going to do is deny it. So what is it VG, THOUGHT, and whoever?

Oh well. It's tough for average people to just "get over" going from surplus to recession or from work to welfare. When your job gets hit, maybe you won't be so relentless in your pursuit to be like Mike. [Steel]

-VG

 

[actinanass]

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Oh well. It's tough for average people to just "get over" going from surplus to recession or from work to welfare. When your job gets hit, maybe you won't be so relentless in your pursuit to be like Mike. [Steel]

-VG

Actually, I work for the post office so I'm already getting hit. The funny thing about "jobs getting hit" is the fact that for 5 in a half years, the economy was good OVERALL. I wonder what happened in 2006. I guess you don't place any blame on congress RIGHT?