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Stunning decline of Obamas presidency.




The last few weeks have been a nightmare for President Obama, in a summer of discontent in the United States which has deeply unsettled the ruling liberal elites, so much so that even the Left has begun to turn against the White House. While the anti-establishment Tea Party movement has gained significant ground and is now a rising and powerful political force to be reckoned with, many of the president’s own supporters as well as independents are rapidly losing faith in Barack Obama, with open warfare breaking out between the White House and the left-wing of the Democratic Party. While conservatism in America grows stronger by the day, the forces of liberalism are growing increasingly weaker and divided.
Against this backdrop, the president’s approval ratings have been sliding dramatically all summer, with the latest Rasmussen Daily Presidential Tracking Poll of US voters dropping to minus 22 points, the lowest point so far for Barack Obama since taking office. While just 24 per cent of American voters strongly approve of the president’s job performance, almost twice that number, 46 per cent, strongly disapprove. According to Rasmussen, 65 per cent of voters believe the United States is going down the wrong track, including 70 per cent of independents.
The RealClearPolitics average of polls now has President Obama at over 50 per cent disapproval, a remarkably high figure for a president just 18 months into his first term. Strikingly, the latest USA Today/Gallup survey has the President on just 41 per cent approval, with 53 per cent disapproving.
Related link: The Obama presidency increasingly resembles a modern-day Ancien Régime
There are an array of reasons behind the stunning decline and political fall of President Obama, chief among them fears over the current state of the US economy, with widespread concern over high levels of unemployment, the unstable housing market, and above all the towering budget deficit. Americans are increasingly rejecting President Obama’s big government solutions to America’s economic woes, which many fear will lead to the United States sharing the same fate as Greece.
Growing disillusionment with the Obama administration’s handling of the economy as well as health care and immigration has gone hand in hand with mounting unhappiness with the President’s aloof and imperial style of leadership, and a growing perception that he is out of touch with ordinary Americans, especially at a time of significant economic pain. Barack Obama’s striking absence of natural leadership ability (and blatant lack of experience) has played a big part in undermining his credibility with the US public, with his lacklustre handling of the Gulf oil spill coming under particularly intense fire.
On the national security and foreign policy front, President Obama has not fared any better. His leadership on the war in Afghanistan has been confused and at times lacking in conviction, and seemingly dictated by domestic political priorities rather than military and strategic goals. His overall foreign policy has been an appalling mess, with his flawed strategy of engagement of hostile regimes spectacularly backfiring. And as for the War on Terror, his administration has not even acknowledged it is fighting one.
Can it get any worse for President Obama? Undoubtedly yes. Here are 10 key reasons why the Obama presidency is in serious trouble, and why its prospects are unlikely to improve between now and the November mid-terms.
1. The Obama presidency is out of touch with the American people
In a previous post I noted how the Obama presidency increasingly resembles a modern-day Ancien Régime, extravagant, decaying and out of touch with ordinary Americans. The First Lady’s ill-conceived trip to Spain at a time of widespread economic hardship was symbolic of a White House that barely gives a second thought to public opinion on many issues, and frequently projects a distinctly elitist image. The “let them eat cake” approach didn’t play well over two centuries ago, and it won’t succeed today.
2. Most Americans don’t have confidence in the president’s leadership
This deficit of trust in Obama’s leadership is central to his decline. According to a recent Washington Post/ABC News poll, “nearly six in ten voters say they lack faith in the president to make the right decisions for the country”, and two thirds “say they are disillusioned with or angry about the way the federal government is working.” The poll showed that a staggering 58 per cent of Americans say they do not have confidence in the president’s decision-making, with just 42 per cent saying they do.
3. Obama fails to inspire
In contrast to the soaring rhetoric of his 2004 Convention speech in Boston which succeeded in impressing millions of television viewers at the time, America is no longer inspired by Barack Obama’s flat, monotonous and often dull presidential speeches and statements delivered via teleprompter. From his extraordinarily uninspiring Afghanistan speech at West Point to his flat State of the Union address, President Obama has failed to touch the heart of America. Even Jimmy Carter was more moving.
4. The United States is drowning in debt
The Congressional Budget Office Long-Term Budget Outlook offers a frightening picture of the scale of America’s national debt. Under its alternative fiscal scenario, the CBO projects that US debt could rise to 87 percent of GDP by 2020, 109 percent by 2025, and 185 percent in 2035. While much of Europe, led by Britain and Germany, are aggressively cutting their deficits, the Obama administration is actively growing America’s debt, and has no plan in place to avert a looming Greek-style financial crisis.
5. Obama’s Big Government message is falling flat
The relentless emphasis on bailouts and stimulus spending has done little to spur economic growth or create jobs, but has greatly advanced the power of the federal government in America. This is not an approach that is proving popular with the American public, and even most European governments have long ditched this tax and spend approach to saving their own economies.
6. Obama’s support for socialised health care is a huge political mistake
In an extraordinary act of political Harakiri, President Obama leant his full support to the hugely controversial, unpopular and divisive health care reform bill, with a monstrous price tag of $940 billion, whose repeal is now supported by 55 per cent of likely US voters. As I wrote at the time of its passing, the legislation is “a great leap forward by the United States towards a European-style vision of universal health care, which will only lead to soaring costs, higher taxes, and a surge in red tape for small businesses. This reckless legislation dramatically expands the power of the state over the lives of individuals, and could not be further from the vision of America’s founding fathers.”
7. Obama’s handling of the Gulf oil spill has been weak-kneed and indecisive
While much of the spilled oil in the Gulf has now been thankfully cleared up, the political damage for the White House will be long-lasting. Instead of showing real leadership on the matter by acing decisively and drawing upon offers of international support, the Obama administration settled on a more convenient strategy of relentlessly bashing an Anglo-American company while largely sitting on its hands. Significantly, a poll of Louisiana voters gave George W. Bush higher marks for his handling of the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, with 62 percent disapproving of Obama’s performance on the Gulf oil spill.
8. US foreign policy is an embarrassing mess under the Obama administration
It is hard to think of a single foreign policy success for the Obama administration, but there have been plenty of missteps which have weakened American global power as well as the standing of the United States. The surrender to Moscow on Third Site missile defence, the failure to aggressively stand up to Iran’s nuclear programme, the decision to side with ousted Marxists in Honduras, the slap in the face for Great Britain over the Falklands, have all contributed to the image of a US administration completely out of its depth in international affairs. The Obama administration’s high risk strategy of appeasing America’s enemies while kicking traditional US allies has only succeeded in weakening the United States while strengthening her adversaries.
9. President Obama is muddled and confused on national security
From the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq to the War on Terror, President Obama’s leadership has often been muddled and confused. On Afghanistan he rightly sent tens of thousands of additional troops to the battlefield. At the same time however he bizarrely announced a timetable for the withdrawal of US forces beginning in July 2011, handing the initiative to the Taliban. On Iraq he has announced an end to combat operations and the withdrawal of all but 50,000 troops despite a recent upsurge in terrorist violence and political instability, and without the Iraqi military and police ready to take over. In addition he has ditched the concept of a War on Terror, replacing it with an Overseas Contingency Operation, hardly the right message to send in the midst of a long-war against Al-Qaeda.
10. Obama doesn’t believe in American greatness
Barack Obama has made it clear that he doesn’t believe in American exceptionalism, and has made apologising for his country into an art form. In a speech to the United Nations last September he stated that “no one nation can or should try to dominate another nation. No world order that elevates one nation or group of people over another will succeed. No balance of power among nations will hold.” It is difficult to see how a US president who holds these views and does not even accept America’s greatness in history can actually lead the world’s only superpower with force and conviction.
There is a distinctly Titanic-like feel to the Obama presidency and it’s not hard to see why. The most left-wing president in modern American history has tried to force a highly interventionist, government-driven agenda that runs counter to the principles of free enterprise, individual freedom, and limited government that have made the United States the greatest power in the world, and the freest nation on earth.
This, combined with weak leadership both at home and abroad against the backdrop of tremendous economic uncertainty in an increasingly dangerous world, has contributed to a spectacular political collapse for a president once thought to be invincible. America at its core remains a deeply conservative nation, which cherishes its traditions and founding principles. President Obama is increasingly out of step with the American people, by advancing policies that undermine the United States as a global power, while undercutting America’s deep-seated love for freedom.
 
Why even try to refute an obvious hatchet job written by some right wing wacko who is spewing opinions, mischaracterizations, lies, and most of all, no real facts?

And the fact that the writer is British doesn't make this piece of tripe any more creditable. England has it's share of "wingers" too. :hmm:
 
Here's my response:

McCain / Palin

Bottom line, I paid very close attention to the election, and seeing the types of challenges Obama has faced from day 1, I can easily say the solutions that McCain was proposing throughout his campaign WOULD HAVE MADE OUR CURRENT SITUATION 10X WORSE... And dont get me started on Palin
 
Care to post the "Facts" behind that opinion piece ???

Waiting.

QueEx

Translation: I can't refute anything. Attack the poster mode. I know it's opinion smarty panties. It's for discussion. You not going to sit there and claim you only post facts are you. So the tea party story was all true? You're pathetic !!!! The jobless numbers were real care to opine?
 
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Here's my response:

McCain / Palin

Bottom line, I paid very close attention to the election, and seeing the types of challenges Obama has faced from day 1, I can easily say the solutions that McCain was proposing throughout his campaign WOULD HAVE MADE OUR CURRENT SITUATION 10X WORSE... And dont get me started on Palin

No argument from me buddy. McCain is not a true conservative. He sways which every the political wind blows. Although I would say 10 times worse. McCain is ultra-conservative now because his opponent is on his heels.
 
Why even try to refute an obvious hatchet job written by some right wing wacko who is spewing opinions, mischaracterizations, lies, and most of all, no real facts?

And the fact that the writer is British doesn't make this piece of tripe any more creditable. England has it's share of "wingers" too. :hmm:

Sir, with all due respect I think all of our posts are predicated on our political views. This is for mere discussion. I only ask for a rebuttal. What is spurrious to you?

If I say black on black crime is a problem in America. Does it matter who said it? Would it matter if it came from Bill Clinton or G W Bush?
 
Translation: I can't refute anything. Attack the poster mode. I know it's opinion smarty panties. It's for discussion. You not going to sit there and claim you only post facts are you. So the tea party story was all true? You're pathetic !!!! The jobless numbers were real care to opine?

Its called if you make statements or rely upon someone's opinion and you're asked what are the facts behind those statements, you state them. I'm attacking neither you or the author. There are a lot of opinions in the piece, but nothing to show that upon which the opinions are based. And, you appear to have adopted those opinions as your own.

If you don't know the underlying facts, hell, just say you don't know.

If you do have the underlying facts, state them.

If don't think you can be asked the facts, hell, then just state that.

QueEx
 
Its called if you make statements or rely upon someone's opinion and you're asked what are the facts behind those statements, you state them. I'm attacking neither you or the author. There are a lot of opinions in the piece, but nothing to show that upon which the opinions are based. And, you appear to have adopted those opinions as your own.

If you don't know the underlying facts, hell, just say you don't know.

If you do have the underlying facts, state them.

If don't think you can be asked the facts, hell, then just state that.

QueEx

What are your parameters? Don't you post to get the party started? Everyone then give opinions then provide support statements. So are you the only one that can post articles that have a slant??:confused::confused::confused:Fuck.
 
Ok lets post facts...

Fact 1. Unemployment was NOT suppose to reach over 8 percent.... Go check the unemployment rate today...

Fact 2. Guantanamo Bay is suppose to be closed....LAST YEAR...

Fact 3. Fannie and Freddy Mac did not get reformed *one of the main reasons the economy failed in the first place*..

Should I go on?
 
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Stunning decline of Obamas presidency.




The last few weeks have been a nightmare for President Obama, in a summer of discontent in the United States which has deeply unsettled the ruling liberal elites,blah,blah,blah,blah




You lost me, and your argument, at "ruling liberal elites"

Once I hear that, I instantly know your political leanings, and your support of the failed Republican/Conservative policies of the past.

What would you have done with our current situation?
What is the solution?
More tax cuts for the rich so they can create jobs?

We've been there and done that, in fact look at our economy NOW: we are in a recession and are LOSING JOBS! Any other ideas? No,there are NO ideas coming from that side of the aisle, Just more tax cuts for the richest 2 % of all Americans, and less regulation so MORE companies can gouge you and steal even MORE money.

If Obama is in a bad spot is because he is trying to right wrongs caused by EIGHT YEARS of Republican mismanagement!

Republicans did all they could to derail any work done in running this country. They did it blatantly and with impunity.No Republican President has ruled with a budget that was balanced! We HAD a balanced budget until Bush started two wars and the infamous tax cuts for the rich! The only balanced budgets were under Democratic presidents.

I guess you also support Jim DeMint's twisted view of total Obama's failure as a policy to ensure returning Republicans to power? That is ALL you can hope for because Republicans have no plan and it is funny how anybody can support policies that want to TAKE your money and give it to the RICH? You're shooting yourselves in the foot! They do not care about white or black unless it makes them money!

The only thing that Obama is guilty of is NOT FIGHTING hard enough for his base!
I'd venture to say Obama would have most of the Independents that left him if he didn't pussy-up, and start with this work with Republicans bullshit! When the Republicans were in power they could care less about bipartisanship,they just did what they wanted.

The real issue here in America is poor/working/middle-classes VS the Rich and the Corporatist "Elite" It's funny how you talk about Liberal Elites when it is the RICH ELITES who side with the Republicans!

 
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Senator Byron Dorgan expressing regret,while almost predicting what we have had happend today, way back in 1999 when REPUBLICANS led by Senator Phil Graham PASSED Grahams Financial Modernization Act!

:smh::smh::smh::smh:

BUT I GUESS THAT'S OBAMA'S FAULT TOO,HUH?
 
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