new england patriots: looking more and more like it WAS the system
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The offense was different in 2001 then it is now. Charlie Weis ran a simiar offense to what seattle runs now. No shotgun. All short passes and screens.Josh McDaniels runs an entire different offense. A shogun orientated offense. Passing 70 percent of the time. Almost like an college spread.
Matt Cassel has been on the team for 4 years. He should perform decently. Tom Brady was in his second season when he got the start.
Matt Cassel has been on the team for 4 years. He should perform decently. Tom Brady was in his second season when he got the start.
This may all be true. I have no reason to doubt you. BUT...
It may interest you to note that through tom brady's first 7 games as a starter, the new england patriots O looked like this:
205 rushing attempts, 213 passing attempts
through matt cassell's first 7 games as a starter, the new england patriots O looked like this:
215 rushing attempts, 214 passing attempts
in other words, tom brady threw 51% of the time, while matt cassell threw 49.9% of the time. that's pretty damn similar, in spite of your noted evolutionary changes to the O.
i still say system.
You hit it right on the noggin. One player does not "winnig/Champion" team make!!
Bill Belicheck is a true football genius. He doesn't put all his eggs in one basket. His style has always been to focus on every aspect of the team, not just QB. That's where a lot of teams play themselves........ They put it all on the shoulders of a star QB/RB/WR...... or defensive "beast". the fact that the Patriots seem to be a "plug & play" system is a true testament to his coaching supremacy!!!
Bill Belicheck is a true football genius. He doesn't put all his eggs in one basket. His style has always been to focus on every aspect of the team, not just QB. That's where a lot of teams play themselves........ They put it all on the shoulders of a star QB/RB/WR...... or defensive "beast". the fact that the Patriots seem to be a "plug & play" system is a true testament to his coaching supremacy!!!
The reason its so balanced is because hes a fresh QB. Tom Brady threw it alot more times than they ran last season. Beginning the season Pats had good depth in the backfield(Maroney,Jordan,Morris,Faulk). But now they gonna definitely have to pass more. But the offense is different.
But with all new starting QBs you have to run the more so they get used to the system. Thats just not with the Pats.Thats every team in the NFL
hey, i could be 100% wrong, and i would be man enough to admit it.
only problem is, whenever the media pushes an idea on a generally apathetic public, i start to smell a rat.
for example, as i've admitted ad nauseum, i'm only a casual fan of football. but i'm trying to learn more as time goes by. but i recognize my ignorance on the subject and refrain from blankly adopting conclusions arrived at by others.
if this sort of "show me" approach to learning sports was more prevalent, there wouldn't be so many POOR basketball discussions on BGOL.
only problem is, whenever the media pushes an idea on a generally apathetic public, i start to smell a rat.
for example, as i've admitted ad nauseum, i'm only a casual fan of football. but i'm trying to learn more as time goes by. but i recognize my ignorance on the subject and refrain from blankly adopting conclusions arrived at by others.
if this sort of "show me" approach to learning sports was more prevalent, there wouldn't be so many POOR basketball discussions on BGOL.
As much as I hate the Patriots,I must admit...what they have done this season is most impressive.Could the Colts have been like this with no Manning?...or any other team for that matter.It would not surprise me if they made the SuperBowl...
Not even going to mention the losses of Harrison,Moroney,Adailus Thomas...damn,it is the system.
Not even going to mention the losses of Harrison,Moroney,Adailus Thomas...damn,it is the system.
Not only do players who leave the Patriot's system not fare well when they leave...but coaches are exposed also.
Just look at Fat-Boy Weis at Notre Damn...he was suppose to be an offensive 'genius'.
And Romeo is probably history at Cleveland...
Just look at Fat-Boy Weis at Notre Damn...he was suppose to be an offensive 'genius'.
And Romeo is probably history at Cleveland...
You may think you have made a valid observation but is flawed on so many levels that I wish I had enough time to point them out to you. For example, Rule changes for defense.
I believe the single most important point is the receivers group. What do you think could have happened if Tom had Moss in his first season. Look that the crappy receivers Tom has had to work with? Branch thought he was the real deal until he left Brady. I just have too many things to say about this topic yet, I just don't want to go into it.
I believe the single most important point is the receivers group. What do you think could have happened if Tom had Moss in his first season. Look that the crappy receivers Tom has had to work with? Branch thought he was the real deal until he left Brady. I just have too many things to say about this topic yet, I just don't want to go into it.
i am truly sorry at this missed opportunity to learn about the game. i am most interested in hearing about how the "rules changes for defense" has improved the performance of backup QBs in the same system league-wide. because the rule changes effected everyone, correct?
another interesting point. true, tom brady did NOT have randy moss. tom brady had all pro, pro bowl WR troy brown his first season as a starter. troy brown was 5th in the league in receptions, 10th in the league in receiving yards. true "crap".
meanwhile, matt cassell has wes welker who hasn't been to a pro bowl, has never been named to a 1st team all pro, is currently 2nd in the league in receptions and 11th in the league in receiving yards. randy moss is currently somewhere around 20th in both categories.
please return when you have more time, because all are welcome to the discussion. my knowledge is a work in progress.
Don't know about the Pats, but the Sox been stealing signs for years. So maybe it's just a Noreastern thing. They just HAVE to cheat, it's in their blood or something.
Deception is only part of the game anyway. There are times when the defense will KNOW what is about to happen, but the real powerhouse team does not care. The feeling is that we are SO powerful at what we do, you won't be able to stop us anyway.
Deception is only part of the game anyway. There are times when the defense will KNOW what is about to happen, but the real powerhouse team does not care. The feeling is that we are SO powerful at what we do, you won't be able to stop us anyway.
bump for update comparison.
matt cassell 2008 as starting QB with patriots: 10-5
matt cassell 2009 as starting QB with chiefs: 3-8
system? looks like it.
matt cassell 2008 as starting QB with patriots: 10-5
tom brady 2009 as starting QB with patriots: 8-5
system? looks like it.
randy moss excuse? still there, check.
wes welker excuse? still there, check.
did i mention something about the D being very important? nah, couldn't be the D.
right?
matt cassell 2008 as starting QB with patriots: 10-5
matt cassell 2009 as starting QB with chiefs: 3-8
system? looks like it.
matt cassell 2008 as starting QB with patriots: 10-5
tom brady 2009 as starting QB with patriots: 8-5
system? looks like it.
randy moss excuse? still there, check.
wes welker excuse? still there, check.
did i mention something about the D being very important? nah, couldn't be the D.
right?
Sounds about right. Unfortunately for me, I fell for the hype and took Cassell in the fantasy draft. He's stunk it up all year but so have the Patriots (based on how they've done in the past)
But you're right. The defense is what carried them and now that it's lacking, they're a 3rd, 4th seed at best.