Neil deGrasse Tyson Admits He Was Wrong On Deflategate

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It doesn't happen very often, but astrophysicist Neil deGrasse Tyson was wrong this week. And like any good scientist, he's not afraid to admit it, correct it and explain himself.

On Monday, the director of the Hayden Planetarium at the American Museum of Natural History took to Twitter in an attempt to deflate the New England Patriots' Deflategate excuse.

Coach Bill Belichick had said atmospheric pressures and balls being transported from the warm indoors out onto a cold field could have caused them to lose enough pressure to fall below league standards. But Tyson tweeted that to lose as much pressure as the balls did, they would need to be inflated with 125-degree air.

"My calculation used the well-known gas formula that relates pressure to temperature within a fixed volume," Tyson explained on Facebook on Tuesday. "Quite simply, the two quantities are directly and linearly related. e.g. Halve the temperature, you've halved the pressure. Triple the temperature, you've tripled the pressure."

He wrote that his mistake was using absolute pressures instead of gauge pressures. Going by gauge pressures, the balls would need to be inflated with 90-degree air.

"A delightfully moot point since neither temperature absolves the NE Patriots even as we all know that the NE Patriots, in their 45 to 7 victory over the Colts, would have won the game no matter the ball pressure," he wrote. "And, as far as I am concerned, the Patriots would have won that game even in the vacuum of space."

Tyson could have left it at that. But he didn't, adding a postscript that explains how these same calculations are at work in far more significant ways than football deflation:

"A version of this principle even applies to the universe itself. When the famous cosmic microwave background was formed, the temperature of the universe was about 3,000 degrees (K). Since then, the universe has expanded by a factor of 1000, dropping the temperature to 1/1000th of 3,000 degrees. Or about 3 degrees (K), the current temperature of the universe."

Here's his full explanation, as posted on Facebook:

DeflateGate
January 27, 2015 at 5:07pm
Monday, January 27, 2015

Having resisted for a week, yesterday I posted a tweet weighing in on DeflateGate - the accusation that the New England Patriots, in their trouncing of the Indianapolis Colts, slightly deflated their contributed game balls.

Here is the tweet:
"For the Patriots to blame a change in temperature for 15% lower-pressures, requires balls to be inflated with 125-degree air."

My calculation used the well-known gas formula that relates pressure to temperature within a fixed volume. Quite simply, the two quantities are directly and linearly related. e.g. Halve the temperature, you've halved the pressure. Triple the temperature, you've tripled the pressure.

Shortly afterwards, many of my physics-fluent twitter followers, as well as others in the blogosphere, were quick to point out that in my calculation I neglected to account for the fact that the football pressures were "gauge" pressures (as would be the pressures measured in any ball on Earth) rather than "absolute" pressures. And the calculation that I performed applies only to absolute pressures -- which reference the case where the football pressure is measured in the vacuum of space, without the effects of atmospheric pressure on the measurement. Using the (correct) gauge pressure in the calculation reduces the needed inflation temperature to about 90-degrees for that effect.

This is simply an oversight on my part, and I'm glad so many stepped forward to correct it. But what it means is that the Patriots would simply need to have inflated the balls with (more accessible) 90 degree air rather than 125 degree air. A delightfully moot point since neither temperature absolves the NE Patriots even as we all know that the NE Patriots, in their 45 to 7 victory over the Colts, would have won the game no matter the ball pressure. And, as far as I am concerned, the Patriots would have won that game even in the vacuum of space.

As Always, Keep Looking up.

-Neil deGrasse Tyson, Chicago


p.s. Using the same formulas, if you keep pressure the same, the temperature and volume scale in the exact inverse of one another. Double the volume of a gas the temperature will drop by half. A version of this principle even applies to the universe itself. When the famous cosmic microwave background was formed, the temperature of the universe was about 3,000 degrees (K). Since then, the universe has expanded by a factor of 1000, dropping the temperature to 1/1000th of 3,000 degrees. Or about 3 degrees (K), the current temperature of the universe.

p.p.s. If you want to see more of how physicists makes approximations, have a look at this essay from several years back:
http://www.haydenplanetarium.org/tyson/read/1997/03/01/on-being-round which was excepted for the book "Death By Black Hole", if you are interested: http://www.haydenplanetarium.org/tyson/buy/books/death-by-black-hole

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This is simply an oversight on my part, and I'm glad so many stepped forward to correct it. But what it means is that the Patriots would simply need to have inflated the balls with (more accessible) 90 degree air rather than 125 degree air. A delightfully moot point since neither temperature absolves the NE Patriots even as we all know that the NE Patriots, in their 45 to 7 victory over the Colts, would have won the game no matter the ball pressure. And, as far as I am concerned, the Patriots would have won that game even in the vacuum of space.
 
Good of him to correct that.

Still doesn't explain why the Colts' footballs weren't deflated as well.

Colts use a different process to prep their footballs. Plus Brady is quoted as saying he likes his on the lower end of the scale. The Colts footballs may have experienced a change in pressure as well however they may have remained in the normal range if the initial pressure of their footballs was higher.
 
Hes saying that regardless of his oversight the Pats are still full of shit. But he admits the fuckery had no outcome of the game considering the score was 45-7.

True and they scored more with the properly inflated balls in the second half but still beside the point.
The Pats were trying to gain an unfair advantage. Richard Nixon didn't need to try to cheat George McGovern but he did anyway.

Colts use a different process to prep their footballs.

Obviously.
 
What process is that? Do they inflate theirs on the moon?

If the Colts process has them inflate their footballs at the higher end of the range they can still experience a change in pressure but still be within spec. My point is that could provide the answer the question. The use of an air compressor vs a handheld pump could also be a factor. There are two many variables here. The variables are different and without knowing the differences your just making blind assumptions to support your point.
 
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If the Colts process has them inflate their footballs at the higher end of the range they can still experience a change in pressure but still be within spec. My point is that could provide the answer the question. The use of an air compressor vs a handheld pump could also be a factor. There are two many variables here. The variables are different and without knowing the differences your just making blind assumptions to support your point.
What process would account for a two pound drop in two hours?

But fuck all that, Dont make it about the Colts. The pats was 2pounds under after being inspected. This has nothing to do with the Colts. They deflated them fucking balls. Period.
 
Colts use a different process to prep their footballs. Plus Brady is quoted as saying he likes his on the lower end of the scale. The Colts footballs may have experienced a change in pressure as well however they may have remained in the normal range if the initial pressure of their footballs was higher.

Stop it.

Brady likes the football at the low end... 12.5

Why then did he say that he likes the footballs after Gronk spikes them because it's deflated even more?

If it's already at the bottom end of the rung then it loses more pressure after a spike, what does that tell you?

Stop trying to justify this shit. If the lowest accepted level was 11.5, guarantee Brady would have said he likes his footballs at 11.5

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What process would account for a two pound drop in two hours?

But fuck all that, Dont make it about the Colts. The pats was 2pounds under after being inspected. This has nothing to do with the Colts. They deflated them fucking balls. Period.

Going by gauge pressures, the balls would need to be inflated with 90-degree air.

It is very feasible to have 90 degree output of air from a compressor.

Im not choosing sides. I am just trying to use logic.
 
People keep saying that it wouldn't have made a difference. What would have happened if the Pats fumbled twice in the first half? Or if Tom through a couple of picks?

Football is a game of momentum.
 
It is very feasible to have 90 degree output of air from a compressor.

Im not choosing sides. I am just trying to use logic.
Feasible but extremely unlikely. But its far more feasible that they purposely deflated them balls after inspection.
 
In science it's not being right or wrong that's truly most important , it's how you how you come up with your conclusion that matters most, case point, a meteorologist may predict rain but you notice that it always sunny the next day , after your dog barks more that night, now if it happens not to rain , does it make your fog a better weather forecaster? Scientists all weigh and measures different variables, meaning if one of the veritable change or are incorrect, then their conclusion may be thrown off, this is way different than guessing and happen to get it right.
 
People keep saying that it wouldn't have made a difference. What would have happened if the Pats fumbled twice in the first half? Or if Tom through a couple of picks?

I don't understand the people who say, because of the score it wouldn't have made a difference. If one team can hold, throw, and catch a ball in wet conditions better than the other team, that's a significant advantage. But before this story, I didn't know each team used their own balls. I thought they shared the same balls.
 
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