NBA owners to seek big salary rollback

[Maxxam]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4894018

The NBA will put its marquee players on display in next weekend's All-Star Game in Dallas, but the party-like atmosphere is sure to be chilled when the stars learn the details of the collective bargaining agreement offer presented at the end of January by commissioner David Stern to players' union director Billy Hunter.
The proposal, a source familiar with talks said, includes rollbacks that could reduce maximum guaranteed salaries, both for veterans such as Kobe Bryant and LeBron James, as well as up-and-comers like Kevin Durant and Derrick Rose, to almost a third of what they would have been eligible for under the current agreement.
Perhaps the biggest shocker: The owners' proposal includes a provision that would require any pre-existing deals to be revised to conform to the new deal's limits.
The current deal is set to expire as of July 1, 2011. The league's owners have the option to extend it one more year, but they've already made it clear they don't intend to.
"The league has to be careful," said one agent who requested anonymity. "If the top players are united against David, that's going to make for a tough fight. It could get very ugly."
Presenting a new proposal nearly 18 months in advance of the current deal's anticipated expiration is unprecedented, several sources said. Doing so right before All-Star Weekend also seems odd, particularly since Dallas Mavericks owner Mark Cuban, the weekend's host owner, has crowed about the event drawing a record 100,000 fans and a surrounding spectacle dwarfing that of the NFL's Super Bowl XLIV.
"It's the most dire economic time, so they want to take advantage of that and scare the players now," the agent said. "It is a negotiation. This is what you do."
The total value for a veteran maximum deal would be well under $60 million and for players currently on rookie salary-scale deals well under $50 million, the source familiar with the proposal said. Fully guaranteed maximum deals also could be a thing of the past, with the proposal allowing for less than half of any contract to be guaranteed.
The mid-level exception and other devices that allow teams over the salary cap to sign free agents also would be abolished, several sources said, effectively creating a hard cap.
Both the league and players association declined to comment on the source's details of the proposal, as did union president Derek Fisher. "David and Billy have decided not to comment until we get to All-Star Weekend and I'll fall in line with those two gentlemen," Fisher said Friday night.
Stern and Hunter are expected to address where negotiations stand on a new labor agreement sometime during the weekend.

 

[easy_b]

NBA lockout coming soon????

 

[Hey Julian!]

That's the dumbest shit, I've heard, who offering them all this money in the first place? CACs always trying to get over. I second that on a lockout.

 

[shaddyvillethug]

 

[pyramidbuilder]

The less they payout, the more they can keep for themselves.

What about them taking a rollback too???

 

[darkninja7000]

The less they payout, the more they can keep for themselves.

What about them taking a rollback too???

thats how it is in every business. when i worked in banking... they used to cut our staff all the time. we had longer lines and they refused to hire help. why? because the more $ they saved on employees and costs... the bigger their end of year bonus would be. likewise the MTA. they cutting train service and everything else. the higher ups could easily take a paycut to see the transit system run smoothly... but they would rather see it go to hell. greedy rich white men.

 

[vader]

Everybody going crazy for a quarter, the owners want all the money. The players get only a small part of the cash being made, which is more than the average man makes. I fell that the NBA will have a lock out because these two want all of the money. Unlike the NFL, the fans won't miss the NBA as much, and this only going to hurt the sport in the long run......

 

[malaki]

Everybody going crazy for a quarter, the owners want all the money. The players get only a small part of the cash being made, which is more than the average man makes. I fell that the NBA will have a lock out because these two want all of the money. Unlike the NFL, the fans won't miss the NBA as much, and this only going to hurt the sport in the long run......

The players get 57% of revenues. The owners supposedly want to push that back dramatically to like 45%. The owners also want only 3 years to be guaranteed on any contract, and players can be cut after that which is definitely shots fired.

Me I think they should split 50-50 and start signing players to a % of team revenues. You wil see a lot less foolishness and a lot more effort if team performance is directly related to how much players make.

Owners have a plan to probably lock the players out. they know those guys live check to check and are overextended so if they lock out half a season they can completely break the players. Plus if you listen to talk radio fans are MASSIVELY anti-labor and pro owners - which is dumb since labor should support labor but we have a nation of uncle toms by design (corporate propaganda did a real number on the US). Just look at the Crabtree situation - shit even here on BGOL people were livid at the guy, even though he was just trying to make as much money as the employer said he was worth, like ANY BUSINESS PERSON SHOULD.

 

[Ming Fei Hong]

Foreign basketball leagues, willing/able to shell out big bucks, are about to blow up.

 

[shaddyvillethug]

Foreign basketball leagues, willing/able to shell out big bucks, are about to blow up.

"im double dippin on you niggus"

 

[Cruise]

It's about time.

I can't stand these asshole athletes.

They flaunt and show off their comfortable lifestyles, have these attitudes like they are entitled to it, get mad when they have to "work" instead of play, and give tokens back to the communities that produced them, then rush to live with whitey at the first opportunity.

Now, they are going to be put in their place and see what reality is all about. This country is in the greatest economic calamity it has ever seen.

Already happened to hockey. Then the NFL. Now, the NBA. Finally, baseball.

We've got countries about to collapse, so soccer is coming too!

And, yes, I'm hating strong.

 

[Mt. Yukon]

The players get 57% of revenues. The owners supposedly want to push that back dramatically to like 45%. The owners also want only 3 years to be guaranteed on any contract, and players can be cut after that which is definitely shots fired.

Me I think they should split 50-50 and start signing players to a % of team revenues. You wil see a lot less foolishness and a lot more effort if team performance is directly related to how much players make.

Owners have a plan to probably lock the players out. they know those guys live check to check and are overextended so if they lock out half a season they can completely break the players. Plus if you listen to talk radio fans are MASSIVELY anti-labor and pro owners - which is dumb since labor should support labor but we have a nation of uncle toms by design (corporate propaganda did a real number on the US). Just look at the Crabtree situation - shit even here on BGOL people were livid at the guy, even though he was just trying to make as much money as the employer said he was worth, like ANY BUSINESS PERSON SHOULD.

You act as if the owners are rolling in dough right now.., Just like the NFL, owners are divided by the haves and have nots. Yeah, The Lakers, Knicks, Celtics, Bulls(thanks to the Whitesox makin Riensdof more money), Mavs and a handfull of others can afford to sit and wait it out... The others CANT. New Orleans is about to close shop now, they cant go losing money while the shit shakes out, the Detroits, Indianas, Sactos, Orlandos etc... arent gonna be unified with the high profile teams who have money in the coffers to play hardball. Most pro leagues need to roll back salaries to numbers that reflect the current economic situation to survive, but you cant stuff that Genie back in the harp.

 

[Nobody]

It's about time.

I can't stand these asshole athletes.

They flaunt and show off their comfortable lifestyles, have these attitudes like they are entitled to it, get mad when they have to "work" instead of play, and give tokens back to the communities that produced them, then rush to live with whitey at the first opportunity.

Now, they are going to be put in their place and see what reality is all about. This country is in the greatest economic calamity it has ever seen.

Already happened to hockey. Then the NFL. Now, the NBA. Finally, baseball.

We've got countries about to collapse, so soccer is coming too!

And, yes, I'm hating strong.

Stop being a hating ass bitch. So fuck black athletes and let white owners get more miry so THEY can show off?

 

[MrImpossible]

It's about time.

I can't stand these asshole athletes.

They flaunt and show off their comfortable lifestyles, have these attitudes like they are entitled to it, get mad when they have to "work" instead of play, and give tokens back to the communities that produced them, then rush to live with whitey at the first opportunity.

Now, they are going to be put in their place and see what reality is all about. This country is in the greatest economic calamity it has ever seen.

Already happened to hockey. Then the NFL. Now, the NBA. Finally, baseball.

We've got countries about to collapse, so soccer is coming too!

And, yes, I'm hating strong.

Of course.

If you were a million dollar athlete, you'd possibly be no different. At the same time, even if the NBA get's their way, it's not as if these dude would be able to relate to common man, anyway. They're still going to be rich, just not as rich as they could have been under the old cba.

 

[Anthony-Cruz]

"im double dippin on you niggus"

 

[Anthony-Cruz]

It's about time.

I can't stand these asshole athletes.

They flaunt and show off their comfortable lifestyles, have these attitudes like they are entitled to it, get mad when they have to "work" instead of play, and give tokens back to the communities that produced them, then rush to live with whitey at the first opportunity.

Now, they are going to be put in their place and see what reality is all about. This country is in the greatest economic calamity it has ever seen.

Already happened to hockey. Then the NFL. Now, the NBA. Finally, baseball.

We've got countries about to collapse, so soccer is coming too!

And, yes, I'm hating strong.

I don't agree with any of your posts but the NFL is probably the most entertaining sport to watch right now because the players play SO hard, every single game. Same with the NHL now. After the lockout, the players have been going hard and Hockey has become so much more entertaining.

 

[unda_line]

Has Anyone thought just maybe their revenues aren't what they used to be due to the economy?

Everyone I know has either been laid off or taken a pay cut..so why can't the motherfuckers take one (as long as the contract is clearly written).

 

[chemist]

It's about time.

I can't stand these asshole athletes.

They flaunt and show off their comfortable lifestyles, have these attitudes like they are entitled to it, get mad when they have to "work" instead of play, and give tokens back to the communities that produced them, then rush to live with whitey at the first opportunity.

Now, they are going to be put in their place and see what reality is all about. This country is in the greatest economic calamity it has ever seen.

Already happened to hockey. Then the NFL. Now, the NBA. Finally, baseball.

We've got countries about to collapse, so soccer is coming too!

And, yes, I'm hating strong.

You clown. If you had the skill to be able to make $10 to $200 million dribbling a basketball, catching a football or hitting a baseball would you say no. Of course not you envious piece of shit.

 

[Nobody]

Has Anyone thought just maybe their revenues aren't what they used to be due to the economy?

Everyone I know has either been laid off or taken a pay cut..so why can't the motherfuckers take one (as long as the contract is clearly written).

The NBA salaries is 50-51% of revenue. It's set yearly I believe. Owners fick up and overpay guys for too many years. That's what hurts them. Guys like lebron and Kobe are worth every penny they get.

 

[TheKingofVa]

The less they payout, the more they can keep for themselves.

What about them taking a rollback too???

Do you understand it's only like 10 NBA teams that turn a profit now? The NBA Owners are losing money every season. These guys need to take pay cuts. Half the areas are empty, jersey/merchandise sales are down, TV ratings aren't doing great.

The owners can't take a rollback because they honestly aren't making a lot of money from their NBA team. Honestly no one I know even watches the NBA anymore til the playoffs. No one in that league deserves a 100 million dollar contract. There are no Jordans in this so-so talent era.

 

[chemist]

Has Anyone thought just maybe their revenues aren't what they used to be due to the economy?

Everyone I know has either been laid off or taken a pay cut..so why can't the motherfuckers take one (as long as the contract is clearly written).

Whats happening in the NFL is they want the players to take an 18% pay cut. If teams aren't making the same amount of money they were five years ago then players and owners need to take an equal pay cut.

The problem with the owners is they don't want to show their books and show they're losing money.

If the owners are making 10% less then they did five years ago and they can show this in the numbers then players should take a 5% pay cut and not 18% to were the owners losses are covered and they still make a bigger profit.

 

[unda_line]

Whats happening in the NFL is they want the players to take an 18% pay cut. If teams aren't making the same amount of money they were five years ago then players and owners need to take an equal pay cut.

The problem with the owners is they don't want to show their books and show they're losing money.

If the owners are making 10% less then they did five years ago and they can show this in the numbers then players should take a 5% pay cut and not 18% to were the owners losses are covered and they still make a bigger profit.

Thats what I meant (a little emotional LOL) but if each team is a company and say your revenue 1s off 50% you have to take drastic measures to keep it solvent..Layoffs, pay cuts, ect.

If anything they should tie some of the salaries to revenues with a minimum salary attached like a sales person. That way they would never be overdrawn.....

 

[duppy_maka]

they should turn that shit into football
no guarantee contracts..

everyone knows
guaranteed contracts destroyed the nba..
after they get the money
90% of them niggas stop working hard to improve there skills or
just maintain them..

90% of nba players don't give a fuck about winning or losing..
half ass effort on the court..
fuck them niggas..
and
yes..
I am hating on them niggas money...

 

[chemist]

The NBA salaries is 50-51% of revenue. It's set yearly I believe. Owners fick up and overpay guys for too many years. That's what hurts them. Guys like lebron and Kobe are worth every penny they get.

I don't have a problem with those franchise players getting max deals. In the league its only a handful.

Lebron, Kobe, Melo & D-Wade are the only guys in the league that if contracts are offered right now should be making max deals. Kevin Durant will be in a few years but not right now. Guys like Chris Bosh & Joe Johnson are great players but aren't #1 players and shouldn't make #1 money but some team is going to offer them a max deal so it doesn't matter how much you should make but how much a team is willing to pay you.

Andrew Bynum is making $12.5 million this year. In no way should he make that amount as a fourth option on his team but the Lakers are forced to pay him that amount because if they don't some other team will.

Owners allow their GM's to sign Eddie Curry to a bullshit $10 million contract then cry broke.

 

[Heist]

THey can roll it back ...

China and Europe are dropping MAJOR coin on average NBA talent.

They'd give Prime All Star NBA talent a part of the damn country probably.

Especially Kobe since he can speak Italian and Spanish. Europe is drooling over him.

 

[Complex]

they should turn that shit into football
no guarantee contracts..

everyone knows
guaranteed contracts destroyed the nba..
after they get the money
90% of them niggas stop working hard to improve there skills or
just maintain them..

90% of nba players don't give a fuck about winning or losing..
half ass effort on the court..
fuck them niggas..
and
yes..
I am hating on them niggas money...

, but I agree.

For the life of me I can't understand how dudes can be in the league for 10 years and still not have a jumper. When someone like Hakeem went from having no post moves, to the best post moves in the history of the league.

Then you have your fat asses like Eddy Curry who would rather go to McDonald's than make money

 

[Complex]

THey can roll it back ...

China and Europe are dropping MAJOR coin on average NBA talent.

They'd give Prime All Star NBA talent a part of the damn country probably.

Especially Kobe since he can speak Italian and Spanish. Europe is drooling over him.

But also a lot of the accommodations aren't as good, and some of them had problems paying players, ask Brandon Jennings. Plus being away from your family and being unnoticed in America. Who cares if Steph scores in a weak Chinese league.

It would be like going from a Mercedes to a Kia.

 

[glueguy]

It's about time.

I can't stand these asshole athletes.

They flaunt and show off their comfortable lifestyles, have these attitudes like they are entitled to it, get mad when they have to "work" instead of play, and give tokens back to the communities that produced them, then rush to live with whitey at the first opportunity.

Now, they are going to be put in their place and see what reality is all about. This country is in the greatest economic calamity it has ever seen.

Already happened to hockey. Then the NFL. Now, the NBA. Finally, baseball.

We've got countries about to collapse, so soccer is coming too!

And, yes, I'm hating strong.

you sound like one of those fat middle age republican white dudes with glasses

 

[glueguy]

Has Anyone thought just maybe their revenues aren't what they used to be due to the economy?

Everyone I know has either been laid off or taken a pay cut..so why can't the motherfuckers take one (as long as the contract is clearly written).

top executives at banks that recieved a bailout might disagree with you

 

[glueguy]

I don't agree with any of your posts but the NFL is probably the most entertaining sport to watch right now because the players play SO hard, every single game. Same with the NHL now. After the lockout, the players have been going hard and Hockey has become so much more entertaining.

how do you reach this conclusion. just from your own observation.
hmmn
can this be verified

 

[Spectrum]

Me I think they should split 50-50 and start signing players to a % of team revenues. You wil see a lot less foolishness and a lot more effort if team performance is directly related to how much players make.

.

Mofos would be BALLING every night...diving for EVERY lose ball and shit ..

 

[glueguy]

, but I agree.

For the life of me I can't understand how dudes can be in the league for 10 years and still not have a jumper. When someone like Hakeem went from having no post moves, to the best post moves in the history of the league.

Then you have your fat asses like Eddy Curry who would rather go to McDonald's than make money

they don't have an nba jumper which is entirely different from everbody else's jumper. in real life they will bust all of our asses.
certain players have certain skill sets. you don't try to make a closer into a starter is the best analogy i can think of

 

[Spectrum]

The NBA salaries is 50-51% of revenue. It's set yearly I believe. Owners fick up and overpay guys for too many years. That's what hurts them. Guys like lebron and Kobe are worth every penny they get.

Cosign the part in bold... but some cats are stealing money...mofos be balling in a contract here and after that dont do shit... that is the problem with gauranteed contracts.

 

[Cruise]

You clown. If you had the skill to be able to make $10 to $200 million dribbling a basketball, catching a football or hitting a baseball would you say no. Of course not you envious piece of shit.

That's irrelevant.

There is no way any functioning economy is paying a ball dribbler/thrower/hitter who produces "NOTHING" millions a year and expect to survive.

Now, I do think NFL players work for their paychecks, but that is irrelevant.

They are all luxuries/indulgences/sports that the world can no longer afford.

It is time to get back to business and PRODUCING something.

you sound like one of those fat middle age republican white dudes with glasses

Well, let's see.

These asshole team owners want to tax the community for their sport palaces that you can only use unless they get an additional usage fee.

You have the asshole athletes acting like spoiled brats and living like immature children making inner-city kids think that is a realistic future.

You have these same asshole athletes ending up broke, squandering fortunes that would take 100 people to earn in their lifetimes.

Then, when they get the paycheck, they magically get injured in their first year and only work hard when a contract is looming.

To me, only the NFL deserves their pay. But, they are all sports and they all must suffer.

 

[mike123]

The less they payout, the more they can keep for themselves.

What about them taking a rollback too???

c/s

The players get 57% of revenues. The owners supposedly want to push that back dramatically to like 45%. The owners also want only 3 years to be guaranteed on any contract, and players can be cut after that which is definitely shots fired.

Me I think they should split 50-50 and start signing players to a % of team revenues. You wil see a lot less foolishness and a lot more effort if team performance is directly related to how much players make.

Owners have a plan to probably lock the players out. they know those guys live check to check and are overextended so if they lock out half a season they can completely break the players. Plus if you listen to talk radio fans are MASSIVELY anti-labor and pro owners - which is dumb since labor should support labor but we have a nation of uncle toms by design (corporate propaganda did a real number on the US). Just look at the Crabtree situation - shit even here on BGOL people were livid at the guy, even though he was just trying to make as much money as the employer said he was worth, like ANY BUSINESS PERSON SHOULD.

gotta agree wit this too except the pay scale should be more like 70-30. If the owners wanna make more coach the team or lace up them nikes

Or yeah fans aint supporting the players cause most of the ones makin all the money are black.