NBA mulling idea of five-team expansion in Europe

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NBA mulling idea of five-team expansion in Europe

Wednesday February 13, 2008

London Mayor Ken Livingstone's city would be a leading candidate to land an NBA team if commissioner David Stern is able to execute the league's European expansion idea.

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The NBA's on-and-off approach to expansion into Europe is back on again. Commissioner David Stern is considering new plans to create five full-fledged NBA franchises in Europe over the next decade, a league source told SI.com.

The initiative promises to be the big news of All-Star weekend in New Orleans, where international basketball officials are arriving this week for their annual meetings with the NBA. Stern is expected to reveal the league's new stance at a news conference Saturday, according to a league source.

The current idea would be to create five new teams in major markets to form a "European'' division within the NBA. The teams would play the full 82-game schedule and compete for the NBA championship. But the proposal is new and many factors will influence the eventual outcome, the league source said.

This will not be the first time Stern has proposed expansion overseas. In 2003, he said the league would investigate planting teams in Europe within a decade, but then shelved the proposal as the NBA focused on developing profitable relationships with China and other emerging markets.

Those relationships have helped Stern formulate a new two-pronged approach to growing the business of the NBA and world basketball in general.

Stern's preference has been to develop international partnerships with local federations and business interests, as in the formal announcement last month of NBA China. ESPN and four Chinese investors have already pledged $253 million to the nascent project.

According to the league source, Stern has realized that it's much easier to do business in emerging basketball markets than in Western Europe, where government regulation as well as the basketball organizing bodies -- the complex network of old-world federations that run the sport in each country and throughout Europe -- have choked off attempts to turn European basketball into a profitable enterprise since the opening of the Berlin Wall almost 20 years ago.

"Say you put five teams there in NBA buildings and see what happens,'' the NBA source said of plans to expand to Europe. "Because then it's out of the hands of the governments; it's an American company with American divisions operating in Europe.''

Pro basketball remains a minor sport throughout Western Europe, with a low-scale popularity not unlike that of soccer in the United States. In an interview with Sports Illustrated two years ago, former NBA player Sarunas Marciulionis, a Lithuanian who founded the Northern European Basketball League, outlined the problems in Europe while calling on Stern to preside over a summit to overhaul basketball on the continent.

"There are no big brands -- none -- connected with high-scale basketball in Europe because it's a mess,'' Marciulionis said while attending the 2006 All-Star Game in Houston. "We need one structure, one clean pyramid. I think David could unite Europe. I think they would listen to him.''

Nothing came of Marciulionis's proposal: The Europeans declined to ask for Stern's leadership, and at that time Stern told SI that he was neither interested in expanding the NBA to Europe, nor was he willing "to intrude'' in the affairs of the European leagues.

But the landscape has changed with the emergence of NBA-styled arenas in Europe. The 02 Arena in London and the soon-to-be-opened 02 Arena in Berlin (both named after a mobile phone sponsor in Europe) are NBA-ready venues outfitted with the necessary suites and amenities. In addition, Rome has broken ground on a new arena, and Real Madrid is expected to begin construction soon on a new building in Spain. Those four cities would be among the leading candidates to receive NBA franchises in the next decade, if Stern pursues his vision. But the expansion is predicated on more arenas being built in Europe in coming years.

Stern has long said that the absence of NBA-sized buildings had been the biggest obstacle to putting franchises in Europe. Now that a marketplace is developing for large arenas capable of providing revenue streams to support NBA franchises, the league can seriously begin to consider expansion overseas.

There is a sense that the clock is ticking down on the league's long-term plan to grow basketball in Western Europe. With NBA-ready buildings sprouting up, the source suggested that Stern feels the need to move before a competing entity seizes the opportunity of moving into those arenas and starting up a new European league from scratch.

Of course, there would be many issues. Would European audiences buy expensive season tickets to 41 home games per year? Would they adapt to the American dynamic of sport as entertainment, equivalent to attending a concert or the cinema? Could the NBA sustain expansion to as many as 35 teams? Would American players be willing to play overseas? And how would teams adapt to the transatlantic road trips?

European basketball officials have been skeptical that the NBA could succeed in the Old World. But others view the success of European soccer's Champions League -- in which huge numbers of fans have watched the best players in the world without necessarily having a rooting interest in the teams -- as an indication that the NBA model could succeed in Europe.

There is little room for the NBA to expand its business domestically. If Stern decides to move overseas, he will do so based on the availability of new venues and the perspective that there are no better options for growing the game in Europe.

"We need to do more market research, of course,'' the league source said. "But in the end there's only one way to find out, and that's by going there and doing it.''

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/20...tional.expansion/index.html?section=si_latest
 
I think its an intriguing idea but the NBA should move teams-- i.e. Memphis, maybe Seattle, New Orleans (though they're probably heading for Oklahoma City) but more expansion seems sure to dilute the quality of the game.
 
Try telling somebody we trading you from the LA LAkers to the Livingstone Admirals. SSSSSSSSHHHHHHHIIIIIIIITTTTTTT!!!!!!
 
I think its an intriguing idea but the NBA should move teams-- i.e. Memphis, maybe Seattle, New Orleans (though they're probably heading for Oklahoma City) but more expansion seems sure to dilute the quality of the game.

That won't happen. The only way the players association goes for this will be the 60 new jobs for players.
 
How would the Players Association agree to their members getting paid? This was one of the reasons why the Vancouver franchise failed and early on why the Toronto franchise had difficulty hanging on to top talent (Vince Carter). The US dollar was worth more than the Canadian dollar. Now the Canadian dollar is worth more than the US dollar and there is less a of out cry.
 
Just make a seperate leauge called the EBA and have the winner play the NBA winner for a true world champion.ALL-STAR GAME LONDON 2015
 
This would only work if the teams are in the major Euro markets ie: London, Paris, Munich, Rome, Athens or Madrid
 
I don't know why the Euro league Champions don’t play the NBA Champions and alternate rules with each home court, like Baseball's National and American leagues in the World Series. That would be the true world championship.
 
I like the idea but why do all the teams have to be in Europe? Why can't a team be in Hong Kong, one in Johansburg, South Africa, Tokyo, Japan, Dubai, etc...
 
Tell that shithead David Stern before he does anything do something about all the Crooked ass referees that has all but ruined viewership and fanbases of the NBA
 
I like the idea but why do all the teams have to be in Europe? Why can't a team be in Hong Kong, one in Johansburg, South Africa, Tokyo, Japan, Dubai, etc...

I would think the flight would be too taxing on the players. It took me a day to get home from Johannesburg and the Tokyo flight took like 18 hours. And I still don't trust that Dubai will succeed, although the prince would probably by all the extra tickets every night just to say his teams games are always sold out. :lol: :lol:
 
They don't really want to open up that can of worms!
Shit if the value of the dollar keeps on falling, half of the
American based teams will look for an excuse to move over
seas, were they can get a higher profit using the Euros!
Anyways the league is watered down enough, we barley have
enough decant centers in the league as it is, so why bother with
five more teams!
 
I don't have a problem with it. America is the only country were we are so insular about our sports. Soccer has a World Wide League. Formula One might as well be world wide league.

But I can't think of the logistics of how this would work. I can't see anyone paying to see 82 games of the same 5 Euro teams playing each other, or worse, any NBA US franchise owner agreeing to forgoe 2 weeks worth of revenue while their team plays the European tour.
 
good for business, bad for (american) basketball.

unfortunately, it WILL happen. julius erving is part of the project to get it going.
 
He must be broed. On his agenda should be A) Puting NBA games back on NBC, B) Keeping the Sonics in Seattle, C) Letting player's wear what the fuck they want if they ain't suited to play, D) Fixing the Ref's so we won't keep seeing the Pistons and Spurs in the finals cause that shit is blahhh
 
He must be broed. On his agenda should be A) Puting NBA games back on NBC, B) Keeping the Sonics in Seattle, C) Letting player's wear what the fuck they want if they ain't suited to play, D) Fixing the Ref's so we won't keep seeing the Pistons and Spurs in the finals cause that shit is blahhh

FUCK YOU!!!:angry:

Sincerely,
Pistons Fans
 
I don't have a problem with it. America is the only country were we are so insular about our sports. Soccer has a World Wide League. Formula One might as well be world wide league.

But I can't think of the logistics of how this would work. I can't see anyone paying to see 82 games of the same 5 Euro teams playing each other, or worse, any NBA US franchise owner agreeing to forgoe 2 weeks worth of revenue while their team plays the European tour.
The Spurs leave San Antonio for about that length of time every year when there's a rodeo at their arena. The Lakers did the same thing this year.

It all balances out; they play the same amount of home games.
 
It could work. I can't imagine teams making trans-Atlantic trips for one or two games. I imagine lengthy road trips - maybe two weeks - that would create a different kind of hardship.

Another idea could be to establish a World Cup of Basketball. That way the best team from Europe, North America, Asia, Africa, etc. only meet during the playoffs - say for a best of seven series. Less travel that way. For instance, the football (soccer) World Cup is held once every four years, and teams qualify by accumulating points during the preceding three years.

There are already a number of Americans playing basketball abroad, as well as a number of foreigners playing basketball in the USA.
 
He must be broed. On his agenda should be A) Puting NBA games back on NBC, B) Keeping the Sonics in Seattle, C) Letting player's wear what the fuck they want if they ain't suited to play, D) Fixing the Ref's so we won't keep seeing the Pistons and Spurs in the finals cause that shit is blahhh

It's always hard watching a game on ABC. They have the worst analysts that has ever covered the NBA. Even their selection of music is garbage. The NBA went downhill with Jordan's retirement and their move to ABC. It's especially noticeable during coverage of the NBA Finals.
 
isn't this powermove also a ploy to 'whiten' the nba?

I dont see how if American born NBA players would still be on the European team rosters. Plus, alot of the top European talent is black. Shit...look at France's national team. The whole team is black except for 2 or 3 white dudes
 
It could work. I can't imagine teams making trans-Atlantic trips for one or two games. I imagine lengthy road trips - maybe two weeks - that would create a different kind of hardship.

Another idea could be to establish a World Cup of Basketball. That way the best team from Europe, North America, Asia, Africa, etc. only meet during the playoffs - say for a best of seven series. Less travel that way. For instance, the football (soccer) World Cup is held once every four years, and teams qualify by accumulating points during the preceding three years.

There are already a number of Americans playing basketball abroad, as well as a number of foreigners playing basketball in the USA.

they already have that.:hmm:

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