NBA Eastern Conference: The Worst Conference in Sports History

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By Bill Simmons
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You couldn't even call the Eastern Conference an apocalypse -- it's more like a poopocalypse. Consider the following things:

A. We're hitting December in two days and the Orlando Magic are leading the East by two games. You heard me. The Orlando Magic. The Magic of Orlando.

B. Eleven of the 15 teams in the East are at least two games under .500.

Paul Pierce
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A .385 winning percentage? That's good enough for first place for Paul Pierce and the Celtics.

C. The Celtics are leading the Atlantic Division even though they're 5-8 and came within one second-half comeback of canning their coach last weekend.

D. The five Atlantic teams have a combined record of 25-46.

E. If the season ended today, the Atlanta Hawks would be a 7-seed with Ty Lue as their starting point guard.

F. The 5-11 Knicks are only one game out of the last playoff spot.

You get the picture. It's not pretty. And since we're looking at a potentially historic situation, I couldn't resist the chance to delve into the Eastern abyss, from worst to first:

THE DREGS

15. TORONTO
The big problems: The Raptors have the worst collection of perimeter guys in the league, which is kind of a problem when you're playing up-tempo basketball and trying to outscore other teams. (It's just too bad they couldn't have moved up last June to take Adam Morrison. Oh, wait, they had the No. 1 pick. Scratch that.) And poor Sam Mitchell wore out his welcome about two years ago. He's like the Artie Lange of NBA coaches; every day that he beats the odds and makes it another day feels like a miracle.

Most interesting subplot: Poor Chris Bosh busting his butt every night and looking like the poor man's KG -- not his play as much as the weird look on his face that's a cross between "I hate losing" and "I might punch one of my teammates in the locker room after the game." He even makes the weird face that KG makes right after sinking a big shot (the one when he bulges his eyes, sticks his chin out and looks like he's battling severe constipation). You know what? I think Bosh is actually trying to become the left-handed KG. We're coming very close to a trademark suit here.

Random thought: Anthony Parker gets my vote for the MMP Award (Most Mediocre Player): 30 minutes a game, 10-11 points a night, gets you three rebounds, two assists and a steal, plays OK defense, and you forget he's out there at least five times per game. He's perfectly average.

Worst-case scenario: They finish with the worst record in the East, lose out on a top-three pick, then use their 2007 cap space to bring Vince Carter home. Imagine the Raps re-signing Vince, then Vince not living up to the max contract and killing them again? Has a fan base ever hated a player two times over before? Does it make me a bad person that I'm rooting for this?

Prognosis: Factoring in the inevitable T.J. Ford injury, 22 wins.

14. CHARLOTTE
The big problem: It's admirable to see a team build a young foundation and wait for the perfect summer to strike with free agency. At the same time, the Bobcats need to spend another $1.7 million just to reach the NBA's salary cap minimum this season. If the Bobcats don't spend that money, my ESPN.com home slice Marc Stein reports that the $1.7 million would be divvied up among the current Bobcat players, almost like an extended family dividing up the contents of a will. How ridiculous is that? On the other hand, there's a chance the Bobcats franchise was created solely to make all the other teams feel dumb. I mean, they're no better or worse than 10-12 other teams in the league (including the Raptors and the next 6-8 on this list). How many teams would trade rosters and cap situations with them in a millisecond? Fifteen? Twenty? By not doing anything other than drafting players every year, they're better off than two-thirds of the league.

(The NBA ... it's fannnnnnnn-tastic! I love this game!)

Most interesting subplot: Between golf vacations, all-night poker affairs and corporate meetings for Nike and Jump 23, Michael Jordan apparently runs this team or something.

Random thought: If you made the All-"Player Who Keeps Recklessly Driving to the Basket And Could End Up Suffering a Horrific Injury Some Day" team, Gerald Wallace would have to be the MVP. The dude has no fear. It's like he's waiting and waiting for someone to play the McHale to his Rambis.

Adam Morrison
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Not since Rollie Fingers has America been treated to such a fine mustache.

Silver linings: Okafor and Morrison -- two blue-chippers with competitive streaks. You could do a lot worse. By the way, Morrison's NBA career has been a tour de force so far: He's one of the best streak shooters in the league; his fist-pump/screaming routine is already as good as anything that Derrick from the "Real World/Road Rules Challenge" ever pulled off; he's already caught fire down the stretch in road wins against San Antonio and New Jersey; and his hair/mustache combo, for all the jokes we've made over the years, remains one of those sports gifts that keeps on giving. Just a delightful draft pick. You can't tell me the Blazers and Raptors' fans aren't jealous right now.

Worst-case scenario: Not sure there is one. They're about two years away from being interesting. I just hope we're not still saying that two years from now.

Prognosis: 26 wins and the Rookie of the Year Award for Morrison.

13. NEW YORK
The big problems: Well, Isiah Thomas is the Knicks' coach ... they're an atrocious home team with the fans booing them so vociferously ... Isiah Thomas is their GM ... they have four point guards on the roster, but all four of them are shoot-first point guards ... Isiah Thomas is their coach/GM ... they're in Salary Cap Hell through 2009 ... Isiah Thomas makes all major decisions ... their owner looks and dresses like he's about to accept an AVN Award for Best Gonzo Director ... if they're not making their jumpers, they can lose by 25 to anyone in the league, as well as some NBDL teams and possibly Florida and Kansas.

Most interesting subplot No. 1: The Curry trade might not haunt them as much as everyone feared because (A) they might not be the worst team in the league, and (B) Chicago is struggling more than anyone thought (even me). Does this mean it was a good idea to sacrifice a lottery pick and $60 million for a center who doesn't rebound, takes nights off and has a life-threatening heart condition? Of course not. On a scale of 1 to 10, with 1 being "short-sighted" and 10 being "apocalpyptic," the Curry trade looked like a 9.5 heading into the season ... but now we're nestled more in the 7.5-range.

Most interesting subplot No. 2: The simultaneous fall of Steve Francis and Stephon Marbury from "All-Star caliber guys" to "complete stiffs." Shades of Bob McAdoo's career suddenly falling apart 30 years ago.

Most interesting subplot No. 3: Not only is there a good chance that no Knicks player will finish with more than four assists a game, but two of the biggest ball hogs in recent NBA history (Nate Robinson and Jamal Crawford) might crack a combined 4,500 minutes this season without notching 350 assists combined. Did you know Robinson has played 16 games and 343 minutes and dished out 24 assists total? He's a point guard! He's 5-foot-7!!!! How is this possible????? And where is John Hollinger during all of this? Couldn't he break down the biggest ball hogs of all time with a convoluted minute/assist/field goal attempt/turnover ratio statistical amalgam?

(Paging John Hollinger ... John Hollinger, please report to the ESPN front desk ... )

Random thought No. 1: It shouldn't have taken a Channing Frye injury for David Lee to start playing more than 25 minutes a game. No, really. Now that Ben Wallace is ramming his back into a fork at warp speed, Lee is the third-best rebounder alive behind Dwight Howard and KG. There hasn't been a white guy who rebounded like this since Dave Cowens. Seriously. You can look it up. Please don't bring this up to Michael Irvin.

Random thought No. 2: I have been watching basketball for something like 30 years. Never in my life have I seen a coaching matchup like Isiah-Doc at MSG on Nov. 18 ... it was like Bizarro Bobby Fischer taking on Bizarro Garry Kasparov, just an ugly game with two terrible coaches. And just when you thought it couldn't get any better, Isiah got himself kicked out with two technicals with two minutes to play, even though his team was down by six and had the ball. I'm telling you, this was one for the ages. Er, anti-ages.

Worst-case scenario: They miss the lottery but finish right behind the Bulls (something like No. 8 to Chicago's No. 9) as all the Knicks fans exhale in delight ... and then Chicago lands the No. 1 pick. It would be just like the Ewing Lottery, only the exact opposite.

Prognosis: 27 wins, with 23 of them coming on the road.

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CINCY (-3) over Baltimore.

12. MILWAUKEE
The big problem: Hey, speaking of terrible coaches, it's Terry Stotts! Is there an inordinate amount of inept coaches this season or is it just me? Things are so bad that the Clips just gave Mike Dunleavy a $21 million extension even though he blew the Suns series last season and is currently treading water at .500 with one of the deepest teams in the league. No wonder Don Nelson came back -- even in his mid-60s, he was probably watching the NBA package on his satellite in Maui last winter and thinking to himself, "Wait a second, I could still outcoach 80 percent of these guys, what am I doing here?"

Most interesting subplot: Ray Allen handing the Karl Malone Memorial Torch to Michael Redd as "the best player under 30 to start going suddenly and inexplicably bald." And in the same season when he submitted the incredible 57-point, 0-assist game! Big year for Michael Redd.

Random thought: Not only is Ruben Patterson playing for the Bucks now, he's actually playing pretty well. To answer your question, yes, it's a contract season. But here's a question you didn't ask: With Patterson living in the same city as the one and only Latrell Sprewell, how long before they're partying on Spree's yacht and something horrible happens that requires an extensive Milwaukee police report? Should The Smoking Gun just start building the page with the picture of Spree's yacht and the inset photo of Patterson right now to save time? I say yes.

Worst-case scenario: Everyone in Milwaukee turns their attention to Marquette's hoops season and forgets they have an NBA team. Whoops, that already happened.

Prognosis: I see the Bucks making a second-half jump after Stotts gets fired, Villaneuva and Simmons come back and Patterson leaves the team to play himself in the pilot episode of "CSI: Milwaukee." Let's give them 31 wins.

11. WASHINGTON
The big problem: A dreadful defensive team that gets routinely creamed on the road. On the bright side, we're in the middle of an unbelievably dramatic "First Coach Fired?" race between Rivers, Isiah, Mitchell, Stotts and Eddie Jordan, who might get fired in time to make the first day of filming for "Hustle and Flow 2" if everything works out right. But you know what? For once, I'm not blaming the coach. How can you play good team defense when your best two players (Arenas and Jamison) can't play defense and your centers are Etan Thomas and Brendan Haywood? Plus, is it Jordan's fault that Arenas' home scoring average nearly doubles his road scoring average (35.2 to 18.7), or that he's shooting an impossible 29 percent on the road? I thought Arenas would become a top-10 NBA player this season -- instead, he's going the other way. I can't believe David Thorpe hasn't completely overreacted to this yet.

Most interesting subplot: The Wizards are wasting a career season from Caron Butler, who spent the summer working out, shed some weight and even hired a personal chef to cook correctly for him; now he's a potential All-Star forward. Wouldn't it be weird if both Butler and Odom made the All-Star team next February? So much for those idiots who argued that the Lakers gave away Shaq.

(Wait, I just remembered that I was one of those idiots. Let's just move on.)

Random thought: Choosing between Michael Ruffin and Shelden Williams for the starting power forward spot on the All-Ugly Team is going to be like choosing Bird or Magic for the '87 MVP. This could keep me awake at nights.

Worst-case scenario: Well, they started out 4-9, their best player is floundering, their centers are fighting in the locker room, and they broke out the worst home unis in the history of mankind two weekends ago (those hideous gold ones that looked like rejected WNBA uniforms). Let's hope we already hit rock bottom.

Allen Iverson
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What's that smell AI? Just the decaying corpse of CWebb's career.

10. PHILLY
The big problem: For the 37th straight year, the only good player on the team is Allen Iverson. Fortunately for Sixers fans, the Sixers never change and the East keeps getting worse and worse. By 2011, they could be in the Finals again.

Most interesting subplot: An unhappy Chris Webber getting benched in crunch time for two straight weeks and going public with his unhappiness, followed by the Sixers basically telling him, "Look, we can't trade you, you make $20 million a year and you run with a limp, even Isiah won't return our calls for God's sake," followed by C-Webb coming down with a mystery injury and disappearing into thin air. And if that's not enough, Shavlik Randolph took his job and even happens to be playing pretty well. Did you ever think in a kajillion years that C-Webb, one of the 10 greatest power forwards of all time, would lose his job to Shavlik Freaking Randolph? Meanwhile, Juwan Howard is a contract albatross in Houston, Jalen Rose can't get any minutes in Phoenix, and I think Jimmy King made me an Animal-style burger at In-N-Out last night. So much for the Fab Five.

Random story: During the Clips-Sixers game two weeks ago, the stoned guy behind me started screaming "Ashton! Ashton!" every time Kyle Korver ended up near our section. Of course, I felt obligated to join in. As did one or two others. So for the next 90 minutes, every time there was a dead ball with Korver anywhere near us, we unleashed an "Ashton!" cacophony while Korver pretended not to hear us. And you wonder why I have Clippers season tickets.

Random thought: Andre Iguodala and Shaun Livingston are the co-captains of the "We Aren't Even One Iota Better Than We Were Two Years Ago" team. Screw it, I'm keeping the faith. These guys could be in their mid-30s and I'd still be waiting for them to make the leap.

Worst-case scenario: Other than Billy King getting bored and talking himself into a C-Webb/Steve Francis trade? Probably Iverson getting frustrated and demanding a trade within the next two months, followed by the self-loathing Philly fans taking Iverson's side and saying, "Just trade him, throw him a bone, we're not good enough to deserve him, let the Sixers rot to death like our other teams," and then King dealing him for 40 cents on the dollar and all the Philly fans heading outdoors and angrily whipping snowballs at one another.

9. BOSTON
The big problem: The Celtics are playing just hard enough that it doesn't make sense to fire the coach, but not nearly consistently/coherently/decently enough that it would be smart to keep that same coach. It's extremely frustrating. For instance, on Saturday night, as the crows were circling after an embarrassing 24-point home loss to the Knicks (replete with "Fi-re Doc!" chants and the C's being flummoxed by a basic 2-3 zone), the Doc Era was on life support with the team trailing by 14 at halftime in Milwaukee. Of course, Pierce went bonkers in the second half, they played their best team defense of the season and Boston ended up cruising to a comeback win, and I called my half-asleep father just to scream, "He won't diiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiie!!!!!!!!!!!!!" Not a fun first month for the current Atlantic Division leaders.

Most interesting subplot: Rumors of a possible Pau Gasol trade (with Gerald Green and Al Jefferson as the bait), which would go a long way toward solving the whole "we have too many young guys" problem but raises another issue ... namely, can you really give up on Green this early? I attended almost every home game during Joe Johnson's only Boston season, when poor Joe looked like a scared puppy for 50 straight games. When they finally traded him for bench help, my father and I were both on board with the deal. We never thought Johnson would make it -- he seemed like one of those guys who drifted through games and never did anything. Five years later, he's a top-20 guy and even plays the role of Peter Lawford in LeBron and Wade's NBA Rat Pack.

Here's the point: You never know with young guys. Green might have a low hoops IQ, but he's an A-plus athlete and a good kid with an absolutely breathtaking jumper (especially coming off screens). Seriously, we're talking Mike Miller Territory here. Will he disappear from the league five years from now like Kedrick Brown did? I don't know. Will he turn into a top-20 guy like Johnson some day? I don't know. The point is ... I don't know. And neither does Danny Ainge. I bet the Celtics end up keeping him. And you know what? I can't wait to flip-flop on the Gerald Green Era another 20 times over the next three years. He's going to take about nine months off my life before everything's said and done.

Random revelation: I like Bassy Telfair. There. I said it. At some point, he's going to cross paths with a coach who realizes that he should be running high screens for him, and that's when his career will take off like Monta Ellis' career took off this month.

Worst-case scenario: Win two, lose two, win two, lose three (blood pressure rising), win one, lose two, win two (blood pressure rising), lose one, win two, lose three (blood pressure rising) ...

Prognosis: Somewhere between 28 and 47 wins.

8. ATLANTA
The big problem: And the hits just keep on comin'. As if the Chris Paul/Marvin Williams debacle wasn't bad enough, Deron Williams dropped 15 pounds and emerged as an MVP candidate on a 12-2 Jazz team. If I were a Hawks fan watching Ty Lue taking crunch-time jumpers every night, I don't think I'd ever be able to get past this. Seriously. It would be a deal breaker for me. Like dating a girl that smoked or something.

Deron Williams
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For Hawks fans looking for their daily dose of bad news we present Deron Williams.

Most interesting subplot: Here's the logical team for Gasol -- they could offer Zaza Pachulia (solid young center), Williams, Lorenzen Wright and a future No. 1 pick for Gasol, Brian Cardinal's contract and a year's supply of Propecia. Atlanta gets a legitimate one-two punch (Joe Johnson and Gasol), while the new Memphis owners dump two of their two biggest contracts and firmly position themselves as the leaders for the Oden/Durant Sweepstakes. Just throwing it out there.

Random tip: The Hawks have one of my favorite NBA beat writers: Sekou Smith of the Atlanta J-C. He always breaks a sweat, does a good job breaking games down, passes along a steady stream of inside gossip/anecdotes and strikes a nice balance with his newspaper stuff and blogging. While we're here, I also like Brian Windhorst of the Akron Beacon-Journal, Ivan Carter and Michael Lee from the Washington Post, Jason Quick from the Oregonian and Howard Beck of the New York Times. All of those guys do an excellent job. I don't know why I'm telling you this.

Worst-case scenario: Come on, how can you think "worst-case scenario" when the Hawks are eighth on this list right now? This is a victory for the dozens of Hawks fans everywhere!

7. CHICAGO
The big problem: Wait a second ... so it was a bad idea to devote $24 million of this season's cap to acquire two big guys who can't score when your main problem last season was that you couldn't score? Really? I can't believe it! Who would have seen this coming???? And wait ... it might have been a mistake to hand out $60 million to a past-his-prime, mercurial, 34-year-old rebounder/defender who can't score, hadn't been an impact player since the defensive rules changed and had just about no chance of getting along with a control freak like Scott Skiles??? You're kidding me? This is a major shock! I'm in disbelief right now!

Most interesting subplot: You mean, other than the fact that we're not even through the first month of Ben Wallace's four-year contract and the Bulls are already wishing they had a mulligan on it?

Random question: You realize they basically traded Tyson Chandler and J.R. Smith for P.J. Brown and two No. 2's this summer, right? I know they needed Brown's contract for trading purposes -- you know, assuming they can pull off a trade -- but with that said, are we sure the Paxson brothers haven't been secretly switched? How many times can they trade someone or give someone away because they didn't "mesh" with Skiles before they think to themselves, "Hey, maybe we should stop blaming the players here?" And why aren't the Bulls players allowed to wear headbands? What's happening to this country? The Bulls have me brimming with questions.

Worst-case scenario: The Lakers trump them with a Bynum/Odom offer for KG; Indiana, Philly and Boston decide to hold onto O'Neal/Iverson/Pierce because the East is so crappy; and Seattle decides against trading Ray Allen (the guy who makes more sense for them than anyone else). So if they want to deal P.J. Brown's contract, that means they would be stuck either overpaying for Gasol (a very good player but another second banana going to a team filled with second bananas), or waiting until this summer to make a run at VC (knowing all along that Vince and Skiles would be a worse couple than Kid Rock and Pam Anderson).

Prognosis: Tough to say because (A) they might have a trade coming and (B) Skiles and Wallace might end up fighting to the death. Let's give them 37 wins to be safe.

THE (GULP) CONTENDERS

6. NEW JERSEY
The big problem: You got me. Why wouldn't the Nets be as good as they were last season? They brought everyone back. The conference is worse. And yet, they lost to Charlotte on Tuesday night. It's inexplicable. I don't get it. Ric Bucher says they're too slow on the perimeter. Maybe. My head hurts.

Vince Carter
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Vince has held more people hostage than the bad guys from "Die Hard."

Most interesting subplot: Should they think about making a move? For instance, Vince is in a contract season and might not return, and the Clippers desperately need a go-to guy, even someone who's secretly slipping a little like Vince. Well, what about Maggette, Mobley and James Singleton for Vince? Who doesn't make that one? Or what if the Nets preyed on Isiah's love for VC and dangled him for Crawford, Quentin Richardson and David Lee? What about Vince to the Bulls for P.J. Brown's contract, Ben Gordon and Ty Thomas? I feel like there's something here, right?

Random thought: Marcus Williams seems poised to re-enact Jamaal Tinsley's entire career, right down to the draft slide for character reasons, the in-your-face rookie season, the inevitable weight problems, a free agent contract that his team instantly regrets and everything else. I'm excited for this.

Best-case scenario: Just when we're writing them off, they roll off one of those trademark 11-game winning streaks and everyone says, "Oh, yeah, the Nets have Kidd, Jefferson and Carter, I forgot ..."

Prognosis: Come on, how could these guys win less than 39 games? It's impossible. I refuse to believe it.

5. MIAMI
The big problem: The Heat are like a group of women who went out for somebody's birthday, ordered food and wine and spent the next three hours talking and eating and drinking and having a grand old time. And then the check comes and they're completely floored by the total. Wait, it's how much??? So they spend the next 25 minutes figuring out who owes what, and there are always 2-3 people who didn't bring enough cash, so somebody has to cover them (and they're pissed off about it), and then there's a girl who left early because she has a kid, and she left only $40 when it's $75 per person (so everyone's pissed off about that), and then there's the one slutty friend who got housed and wants to stick around because she thinks she might have a chance to knock boots with one of the waiters, so one of the other girls has to stay to keep an eye on her and make sure the bus boy doesn't get involved, and there's so much drama going on that everyone ends up leaving with a bad taste in their mouth and forgetting that they had a barrel of fun for the first three hours.

(Translation: The Heat mortgaged the second half of the decade to win one championship. And they did. Now they're looking at the check and saying, "Wait, it's how much?")

Most interesting subplot: Did you know that Shaq makes $20 million this season ... and another $60 million over the next three? Every Miami fan just threw up on their creepy all-white T-shirt.

Random question No. 1: Did they have the funeral for Antoine Walker's career yet? Thirty minutes a game, 39 percent shooting, 10 points, four rebounds ... and he even got benched for Jason Kapono last weekend. The young guys from the mid-1990s draft classes have NOT been aging well. I mean, he's only 30 years old, right? There's no way anyone should be washed-up at 30, right? Then you remember he played 800 combined regular-season and playoff games and logged nearly 30,000 minutes over the past 10 years. And it all makes sense.

Random question No. 2: Does Pat Riley wake up every morning and think to himself, "Why the $%#& didn't I retire last summer?" I sure would.

Worst-case scenario: Missing the playoffs with the exact same cast that won a championship one year earlier. That would be downright humiliating. In fact, that hasn't happened since the 1956 Syracuse Nationals did it. And yes, I just spent 20 minutes looking that up.

Best-case scenario: A one-man team (Miami and Wade) takes on another one-man team (LeBron and the Cavs) in the first-ever one-on-one conference finals.

Prognosis: Riley + Wade + 45 games of Shaq has to equal 42 wins. They just need to get into the playoffs and see what happens from there. Nothing else matters.

Jermain O'Neal
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Hey, Jermaine ... if you see the other Jermaine could you ask him when he's coming back?

4. INDIANA
The big problem: Now that the Jail Blazers have been disbanded, this is the signature Shaky Chemistry Franchise in basketball. After watching the Celtics blow out the Pacers two weeks ago, my dad called me afterward just to say, "What a crazy team that was!" and "What's up with that Stephen Jackson, he's like a lunatic out there!" and even, "Maybe we don't have a great team, but at least we have good guys and we play hard ... I couldn't watch a team like the Pacers for 82 games, I'd give up my tickets!" You can only imagine how poor Rick Carlisle and the Legend feel. And this is the fourth-best team in the conference right now? Unbelievable. My head is throbbing.

Most interesting subplot: Jermaine O'Neal's determined quest to become the most overrated player in the league. I mean, if you're paying your big guy $18 million a season (and ohbytheway, the Pacers are on the hook for $64 million for the next three for him), and he's giving you 38 minutes, 18 points, 9 rebounds, 3 blocks, 45 percent shooting and about 35 scowls a game ... I mean, does that sound like something you'd be interested in? Me neither. What happened to this guy? I want the old Jermaine O'Neal back.

Random thought: Marquis Daniels gets my vote for "the player who most looks like he could play a character from 'The Wire.'" Couldn't you see him playing Marlo Stanfield's monosyllabic brother and quietly listening to instructions for a counterattack on Omar? And while we're here, I hate to keep asking this, but when is someone casting Chris Kaman as the killer in a horror movie? He lives in L.A.! It's a no-brainer! Throw some fake blood on him, give him a chainsaw and some college girls and turn the cameras on. It's that easy.

Worst-case scenario: I'm not sure how they top starting the season with three guys getting arrested outside a strip club and one of them firing shots in the air after getting run over by a car. But let's see how it plays out.

Best-case scenario: Ditto.

Prognosis: Probably a 43-win team. Whatever.

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3. ORLANDO
The big problem: The Magic are doing well because of a stifling defense, a deep bench, the best rebounder in the league (Dwight Howard), an underrated point guard combo (Jameer Nelson and Carlos Arroyo, averaging a combined 25/8 every night), an effective center combo that protects the rim (Battie and Darko), and the veteran leadership and all-around play of the great Grant Hill. Unfortunately, the words "Grant" and "Hill" are in this paragraph. He played 135 games in the previous six seasons and cracked the 30-game mark only once (two seasons ago). I hate to be a party pooper, but, well ...

Most interesting subplot: If Hill ends up going down, they could easily flip his expiring contract ($16.9 million) with Darko for an impact player on a team looking to dump salary. If he stays healthy, they have another $11 million in expiring deals (Battie, Bo Outlaw and Pat Garrity) to move. And they still have a major trading chess piece with the rights to Fran Vazquez. All right, that's not true. But everything else is. Lots of roster flexibility here. That's a good thing for a potential 50-win team. Why not make a run right now?

(By the way, there should be a mandate that every positive article written about the Magic this season includes a reference to Isiah single-handedly turning their fortunes around by taking Steve Francis off their hands. I'd even consider voting him "Executive of the Year" if the Magic gets a top-three seed. Seriously, what exec had a bigger impact on a team than Isiah had on the Orlando Magic? Can you name one? Didn't think so.)

Random thought: The only thing keeping Dwight Howard from becoming the next Moses Malone -- and there's a 80/20 chance it's happening -- will be a lack of a mean streak. He's just too nice a guy. Ever seen him interviewed? He makes Mario Lopez seem hostile and combative. Just a little too much David Robinson in him right now.

Worst-case scenario: When they're playing in the playoffs this spring, Hill is working for ABC's studio crew.

Best-case scenario: When they're playing in the playoffs this spring, Hill is working for ABC's studio crew with Doc Rivers.

Prognosis: Impossible to say because of Hill's health and the trading possibilities ... but let's give them 47 wins to be safe. I like this team. They play well together.

2. DETROIT
The big problem: Now here's the team that should be kicking itself, between passing on Melo and Bosh, giving away Arroyo and Darko, screwing up the Wallace situation and everything else. The Pistons are headed nowhere fast. In fact, just two weeks ago, I was exchanging e-mails with my friend Mike Mandt (diehard Pistons fan) and having the requisite "should the Pistons blow everything up, trade Billups and Rasheed and start over?" conversation after a depressing home loss to the Hornets ... and Mike was saying that he'd do it. Now they're probably a 2-seed in the screwed up East if they can stay healthy. Go figure.

Most interesting subplot: Sheed getting whistled for four technicals in the first four games because of the Rasheed Wallace Rule, then making it through the next 10 games (and counting) without a single technical. Screw Brett Favre -- that's the most amazing streak in sports right now.

Random thought: I'll turn this over to Manhattan Beach, Calif., reader Michael Hunter, who writes, "Could you please create the Ben Wallace Award for the free agent who kills his original team with his departure and manages to make his new team worse as well? Also, can't Ben be credited with destroying the Pacers as well by instigating the Palace Brawl? That's three franchises destroyed in a career, incredible! Here's hoping he becomes a GM."

Worst-case scenario: They lose in the second round, Billups leaves after the season, Melo wins the MVP and Pistons fans still refuse to admit that Joe Dumars screwed this entire decade up for them.

Best-case scenario: A relatively harmless exit in the Eastern finals that's punctuated by lots of weird facial ticks from Flip Saunders.

Prognosis: 49 business-like wins.

LeBron James
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The Cavs only shot would be to sign the rest of the LeBrons.

1. CLEVELAND
The big problem: Hey, speaking of GMs who screwed up the decade for their teams ... it's Danny Ferry! When you're trying to make the Finals with Eric Snow and David Wesley on pace for a combined 2,500 minutes, you know you've really accomplished something substantially crappy. What a shame. It's like the NBA decided to give LeBron a degree of difficulty to become the greatest player of all time. Here's how bad the situation is: Unless Larry Hughes can stay healthy (apparently an impossibility at this point), the Cavs' best five is Damon Jones, LeBron, Sasha Pavlovic, Anderson Varejao and Drew Gooden. Does that sound like the starting lineup of an NBA Finals team to you? Didn't think so.

Most interesting subplot: My buddy House went to a Cavs-Wiz game two Saturdays ago and reported that LeBron submitted one of those full-fledged "no matter how this game turns out, I really don't give a crap either way" performances out of the VC Playbook. Can't remember MJ ever having one of those.

Random fact No. 1: LeBron takes a four-hour nap after the team's shootaround on game days, explaining, "If anything's going on that's important between 12 and 4, I probably missed it."

Random fact No. 2: Cavs coach Mike Brown owns 22 different pairs of glasses that are color coordinated to his suits.

Random Fact No. 3: I didn't make either of the last two facts up.

Random prediction: Somebody is going to get into a fantastic brawl with Anderson Varejao this season. Mark my words. He's like the Daniel LaRusso of the NBA -- he has a natural instinct for pissing people off. You watch.

Worst-case scenario: Can you have a worst-case scenario when LeBron is involved? I say no.

Best-case scenario: One of the top seeds and at least one shady trade ordered by the Commish so that the 2007 Finals maintains a semblance of competitiveness. Did you ever think the Cavs could get Sam Dalembert, Kyle Korver and Andre Iguodala from the Sixers for Ilgauskas, Ira Newble and Eric Snow? Well, it's about to happen!

Prognosis: 52-55 wins and the title "Winner of the worst conference in the history of professional sports."

Bill Simmons is a columnist for Page 2 and ESPN The Magazine. His book "Now I Can Die In Peace" is available in paperback.
 
I hate the way they're performing, but I still watch the games on TV (for whatever reason). Isiah Thomas needs to be treated like he took steroids or something. NO Hall of Fame, banned from every conversation remotely relevant to basketball, and banned from every court on this earth. He's clearly fucked the Knicks over for years to come.
 
dullards: sometimes you just gotta love 'em

here we go AGAIN :smh: with another dumb ass who should've checked his facts before he wrote a column... and to think someone actually PAID this bum to write it...

i will admit i found some of his observations amusing, and the article overall was entertaining, but he FAILED to bring up a salient point.

could it be POSSIBLE that the east in general has a comparatively poor-er w/l record SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY'VE PLAYED MORE ROAD GAMES? duh?

take a look at the eastern teams and you'll see that most of their games have been on the road. the WORSTern conference can temporarily thank david stern for allowing them fat, cushy schedules at home.

examples:

the fakers? 10 home games, and only 4 road games
golden state? 11 home games, and only 4 road games
sacramento? 8 home games, and only 5 road games

oh! what a coincidence! :rolleyes: all of those fantastic squads are over .600. wonder how that happened? :rolleyes:
 
Re: dullards: sometimes you just gotta love 'em

cranrab said:
here we go AGAIN :smh: with another dumb ass who should've checked his facts before he wrote a column... and to think someone actually PAID this bum to write it...

I agree, but for different reasons

I knew the writer would attack Isiah with a hate only reserved
for dark chocolate sistas on BGOL, but I wanted to see if he TRULY
would be as objective in his critique of all the coaches/GMs, etc.

And sure enough, when you get to the NETS. There is NO
critique of the BACKWARDS ass jobs done by Laurence Frank OR
by management. Only a dumbassed, "I don't know what's wrong"
statement. When the Nets have relied on stiffs and faggots to man
the paint (with the exception of Kenyon Martin and MAYBE Clifford
Robinson) and have done NOTHING up to this point with signings
or the draft under the FRANK regime. Still relying on VC, Kidd and
Richard Jefferson to do all the big man work. Then acting surprised
or disappointed when they break down from having to do it

When Byron Scott was coach, this team was a high semi finalist
or a finalist. Under Frank, they are a first round, MAYBE second
round team (if they make it at all)


Also, the "AI doesn't have any help" argument?? Dude been there
10 years. Maybe, just maybe, HE is the problem??? At least part
of it?? Iguodala hasn't gotten any better?? Webber?? Korver?? Trade
em and I bet they get better alot quicker


Anyway, the eastern division (or whatever it is called) maybe weak.
Just remember that Doc Rivers was Coach of the Year not too long
ago and that things move in cycles. I think given ample time, things
will even out. Even for Frank (who has the longest tenure of any
coach in the division) and the Nets
 
Before I even read the article I'd like to say that I follow the Western Conference a lot more than the East and I think the Eastern Conference is not bad at all. Apparently dumb ass Simmons doesnt understand that in a more competitive conference, teams are going to have records similar to each other. I believe the Eastern's central division is the most competitive division in the NBA.

Anyway, on to the article...

Well nothing much to say other than Simmons is a comedy writer correct? The guy is obviously out of the loop when it comes to understanding basketball but there were some funny bits in his article. The East will be fine and things will start to balance out as the year goes on. Just like the KC Royals in MLB last year.
 
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xfactor said:
Before I even read the article I'd like to say that I follow the Western Conference a lot more than the East and I think the Eastern Conference is not bad at all. Apparently dumb ass Simmons doesnt understand that in a more competitive conference, teams are going to have records similar to each other. I believe the Eastern's central division is the most competitive division in the NBA.

Apparently, your dumb ass doesnt understand that the teams in the Eastern Conference will play 500 ball against each other. For every win there is a loss. So if the conference as a whole has a shitty record... then it is because the are getting their asses kicked by the other confernce!!!

:smh: Did you even think before making this statement? :rolleyes:

You couldn't possibly have been serious, I had to edit this post because I just looked at the standings are there are only 4 teams in the whole Eastern Conference with winning records. 4. And its not like they have a bunch a teams 1 game under 500, they are well under.

FYI... Western Confernce teams win more than twice their games against Eastern Confernece Teams (50-24 as of this morning)... and the most competitive division in the NBA is clearly the SouthWest Division!
 
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TrojansFan said:
Apparently, your dumb ass doesnt understand that the teams in the Eastern Conference will play 500 ball against each other. For every win there is a loss. So if the conference as a whole has a shitty record... then it is because the are getting their asses kicked by the other confernce!!!

That's the whole point idiot. If a conference is more competitive than the records at the end of the year will not have as much disparity. 3 of the NBA top 5 teams are in the East (Cleveland, Detroit, Miami). Only a fool such as yourself would actually take records serious a month into the season. :smh:

TrojansFan said:
:smh: Did you even think before making this statement? :rolleyes:

You couldn't possibly have been serious, I had to edit this post because I just looked at the standings are there are only 4 teams in the whole Eastern Conference with winning records. 4. And its not like they have a bunch a teams 1 game under 500, they are well under.

Like I said, only a group of idiots (Bill Simmons and yourself included) would take records serious this early in the season.

Take last night for example... The East played the West in 4 games... Winning 2 of them (on the road I might add) with Seattle winning on a last second shot and Phoenix having to come back.

TrojansFan said:
FYI... Western Confernce teams win more than twice their games against Eastern Confernece Teams (50-24 as of this morning)... and the most competitive division in the NBA is clearly the SouthWest Division!

Again, a month into the season and you are getting giddy over the alledged "Western Conference dominance" but before you do, why dont you take a look at how many of those games the East played on the road...Then take a look at the amount of games Western teams have started at home as compared to Eastern teams.

FYI ( 9 out of 15 teams in the East have more away games than home where as 5 out of 15 teams in the West have more away games than home )

:smh: @ idiots like TrojansFan always trying to chime in on grown folks' conversations and end up looking dumber than they were when they walked in.

EDIT...

You also failed to mention the Western Conference division leaders... LAL, UTH, and DAL all have more home games at this point than away games where as the Eastern Conference division leaders... All have more road games than home.

:smh: @ people not knowing anything other than what is spoon fed to them by the media.
 
xfactor said:
That's the whole point idiot. If a conference is more competitive than the records at the end of the year will not have as much disparity. 3 of the NBA top 5 teams are in the East (Cleveland, Detroit, Miami). Only a fool such as yourself would actually take records serious a month into the season. :smh:



Like I said, only a group of idiots (Bill Simmons and yourself included) would take records serious this early in the season.

Take last night for example... The East played the West in 4 games... Winning 2 of them (on the road I might add) with Seattle winning on a last second shot and Phoenix having to come back.



Again, a month into the season and you are getting giddy over the alledged "Western Conference dominance" but before you do, why dont you take a look at how many of those games the East played on the road...Then take a look at the amount of games Western teams have started at home as compared to Eastern teams.

FYI ( 9 out of 15 teams in the East have more away games than home where as 5 out of 15 teams in the West have more away games than home )

:smh: @ idiots like TrojansFan always trying to chime in on grown folks' conversations and end up looking dumber than they were when they walked in.

EDIT...

You also failed to mention the Western Conference division leaders... LAL, UTH, and DAL all have more home games at this point than away games where as the Eastern Conference division leaders... All have more road games than home.

:smh: @ people not knowing anything other than what is spoon fed to them by the media.


OK, u say to early to look at records, East has more road games than West, etc. etc....

Just answer one question... At what point will the East have a better record against the West teams? You give me that date today, and we will check back then and see if u r the only dumbass who cant see how shitty the Eastern Confernence or if I am the dumbass for believing that the Western Confernce's dominace over the East will continue throughout the season.

Just A DATE THATS ALL WE NEED AND WE CAN TABLE DISCUSSION UNTIL THEN!!!
 
TrojansFan said:
OK, u say to early to look at records, East has more road games than West, etc. etc....

Just answer one question... At what point will the East have a better record against the West teams? You give me that date today, and we will check back then and see if u r the only dumbass who cant see how shitty the Eastern Confernence or if I am the dumbass for believing that the Western Confernce's dominace over the East will continue throughout the season.

Just A DATE THATS ALL WE NEED AND WE CAN TABLE DISCUSSION UNTIL THEN!!!

The only date that matters... June 28, 2007. The day of the 2007 NBA draft. By that time the season will be over. A champion will be crowned, and you can talk about what conference is better.

But knowing how much of a coward you are, you wont be back. Just like when you went MIA after the Miami Heat and Shaquille O'Neal won the title in June. :lol:
 
xfactor said:
The only date that matters... June 28, 2007. The day of the 2007 NBA draft. By that time the season will be over. A champion will be crowned, and you can talk about what conference is better.

But knowing how much of a coward you are, you wont be back. Just like when you went MIA after the Miami Heat and Shaquille O'Neal won the title in June. :lol:


So, what u r saying is that u don't believe at any time the Eastern Confernce will have a better records than West...

so why all thsi bullshit about East has too many road games, too early in season???

I asked for a date when the Eastern Confernce you claimed was more competitive than the West would have a better record than the West and u bitched out and won't give one. It doesnt matter who wins the Championship...that is the best team in the league! That doesnt have shit to do with which confernce is more compettive dumb ass. Thats just like your previous dumb ass statement that the East has a shitty record because it is more competitive!

:lol:
 
TrojansFan said:
So, what u r saying is that u don't believe at any time the Eastern Confernce will have a better records than West...

so why all thsi bullshit about East has too many road games, too early in season???

I asked for a date when the Eastern Confernce you claimed was more competitive than the West would have a better record than the West and u bitched out and won't give one. It doesnt matter who wins the Championship...that is the best team in the league! That doesnt have shit to do with which confernce is more compettive dumb ass. Thats just like your previous dumb ass statement that the East has a shitty record because it is more competitive!

:lol:


I just gave you a date you media mark... June 28, 2007. When ALL games will have been played including the finals which is East vs. West. Why would I give any other date other than the end of the season which is the only time records and final place in the standings matter? :confused:

:smh: @ how stupid you really are. I take it that the fact that USC choked against UCLA was such a traumatizing experience for you, its affecting how you think. (Not that you ever needed an excuse for being socially inept but I'm trying to give you the benefit of the doubt) :lol:
 
stirring the pot - MORE FACTS & EXAMPLES

the ENTIRE pacific division has played more home games than road games...

is that how phoenix has crawled back into the hunt? current owners of the longest active winning streak at 7 games, they've played 5 out of those 7 at home... coincidence?

the indiana pacers, on the other hand, just wrapped up a 6 game road trip, losing 4 of those 6 games... coincidence? the pacers' last loss on the road trip was a double digit loss to the fakers, who played more than half the game without tobe - and won... coincidence?

incidentally, kwame brown was the most important player on the floor (i can't believe i just wrote that, but it's TRUE) for the fakers that night. it was kwame brown's size and aggressiveness to the rim that the pacers had no answer for. it was kwame brown who sparked the Q2 run that ran the pacers off the floor. it was kwame brown's presence in the middle during Q2 that opened up the perimeter for tobe's jumpers during the same run.

and it was kwame brown's absence in the 2nd half when the pacers made their run to cut the lead to 7. and kwame brown's return that repelled the pacers' run. a very unusual game because coach jackson emptied the bench (all 12 fakers got tick, with 11 of them getting AT LEAST TEN MINUTES).
 
cranrab said:
the ENTIRE pacific division has played more home games than road games...

is that how phoenix has crawled back into the hunt? current owners of the longest active winning streak at 7 games, they've played 5 out of those 7 at home... coincidence?

the indiana pacers, on the other hand, just wrapped up a 6 game road trip, losing 4 of those 6 games... coincidence? the pacers' last loss on the road trip was a double digit loss to the fakers, who played more than half the game without tobe - and won... coincidence?

incidentally, kwame brown was the most important player on the floor (i can't believe i just wrote that, but it's TRUE) for the fakers that night. it was kwame brown's size and aggressiveness to the rim that the pacers had no answer for. it was kwame brown who sparked the Q2 run that ran the pacers off the floor. it was kwame brown's presence in the middle during Q2 that opened up the perimeter for tobe's jumpers during the same run.

and it was kwame brown's absence in the 2nd half when the pacers made their run to cut the lead to 7. and kwame brown's return that repelled the pacers' run. a very unusual game because coach jackson emptied the bench (all 12 fakers got tick, with 11 of them getting AT LEAST TEN MINUTES).

How does an analysis of the Laker game end up in a thread about how poor the Eastern Conference is???

But if you want to report the game... report it accurately. Everything you said about Kwame Brown was directly on point. He was the Most Important player on the court for the Lakers Monday night. However, you failed to mention that the Lakers had a 20+ lead when Kobe left mid way through the 3rd quarter with his injury, and it wasn't until he left the game that the Pacers manage to cut the lead to 7.

I don't understand why you always like to report half the truth to support your great didain for Kobe (tobe) whatever you want to call him. We know you don't like him, so why not just keep his dick (uh name) out of your mouth and report on other basketball news you can be less biased about. Let's just see how long you can go without mentioning this guy you so odddly infatuated with.
 
The Worstern Conference

TrojansFan said:
How does an analysis of the Laker game end up in a thread about how poor the Eastern Conference is?

uh, because it was an EASTERN team who played the fakers? and EASTERN team that was finishing a SIX game road trip? and a WORSTern team that played TWELVE games at home and only FIVE games on the road?

TrojansFan said:
if you want to report the game... report it accurately. Everything you said about Kwame Brown was directly on point. He was the Most Important player on the court for the Lakers Monday night.

so on the 1 hand, i was on point, but on another hand, you suggest i'm not accurate. which is it?

did you even watch the game? do you even understand the game? what exactly is the national armenian sport, anyway? growing back hair? smoking in the shower?

TrojansFan said:
However, you failed to mention that the Lakers had a 20+ lead when Kobe left mid way through the 3rd quarter with his injury, and it wasn't until he left the game that the Pacers manage to cut the lead to 7.

now who's not being accurate, son?

let's see, kwame brown, william parker and lamar odom set the tone (again, i can't believe i just typed that!) in Q1 FROM JUMP, going 7-2 on the pacers. EXCEPT FOR MISSING SHOTS, tobe wasn't involved.

then how about the SEVEN POINTS in 2:01 :eek: by kwame brown, and the fouls he drew against the pacers (most notably jermaine o'neal)? oh, and BTW, who was that playing D against jermaine o'neal during that stretch? scoreboard check: 25-15

tobe checks out at 1:47, lakers up 28-15. fakers finish Q1 strong 33-19. so much for you watching the game. :rolleyes: why does your bizarre man worship cloud your perception of reality? :confused:

EDIT:

and BTW jackass, a 65-46 lead is NOT a "20+ lead". it's not a 20 point lead. it's not a 19+ lead. it's a NINETEEN point lead. god damn box score readers. :smh:
 
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The Worstern Conference PART 2

TrojansFan said:
I don't understand why you always like to report half the truth to support your great didain for Kobe (tobe) whatever you want to call him.

i suppose you meant disdain in that sentence. but what supposed HALF TRUTH are you alleging? i've already dispelled that in my reply above. you know, the one that RELIES UPON FACT AND WATCHING THE GAME, and not some cheap (and INCORRECT) recreation from the next day's box score.

let's look further into your supposed "recollection of events".

in Q2, coach jackson replaced kwame brown with andrew bynum. fakers up by 14. tobe checked in at 8:59. kwame brown re-entered the game at 6:40. do you "remember" the score at that time? of course you don't. it was 42-33 fakers. the pacers cut the lead to single digits with tobe on the floor. so who's not accurate? :smh:

kwame picked up his 3rd PF and quickly left at 5:06 with the score 45-33. do you know how many points your precious tobe scored the rest of the way? SIX. fakers finished Q2 strong, IN SPITE OF tobe's 2 missed FGAs and 1 TO IN THE FINAL :37. :puke: fakers leading at halftime 60-44.

you also wrote that tobe left "midway" through Q3. more evidence that you didn't WATCH the game, because if you did, you'd know that he didn't even play 3 minutes of Q3. tobe turned his ankle when he landed on jeff foster's foot and came out at the 9:34 mark. so who's not accurate? :smh:

We know you adore him, so why not just keep his dick IN your mouth and STFU so we don't have to hear more LIES and MYTHS born out of hero-worship? hell, we'd prefer to hear you speak on anything you could be less biased about. Let's just see how long you can go without lying on this guy's jock that you are so obviously infatuated with.
 
Yeah the East is a joke, I'm a Wizards and Magic fan so I hope both of my teams can take control of the East while it's so weak. I think it's because the West has better coaches and deeper teams. The East has alot of 1 man teams.
 
Looking back on this article.. Bill Simmons is truly clairvoyant... A modern day swami :rolleyes:

TrojansFan said:
and the most competitive division in the NBA is clearly the SouthWest Division!

Southwest Division -

132 games played .553 winning percentage

Central Division -

129 games played .558 winning percentage

:lol: Yeah the Southwest is clearly the most competitive division in the NBA.

:smh: @ TrojansFan
 
xfactor said:
I just gave you a date you media mark... June 28, 2007. When ALL games will have been played including the finals which is East vs. West. Why would I give any other date other than the end of the season which is the only time records and final place in the standings matter? :confused:

Aren't you the one who said this? So why are you jumping on here to tell me that the Central Divison has a better record than the Southwest by a game an half (72-57 to 73-59)??? At the time I made the statement the Southwest was the most competitive divison and that didn't change until last night. But I noticed you didnt mention the Eastern Conference's record which was our original argument. Maybe its because the East is still far behind the West in terms of winning percentage still?

You look like a jackass bringing up a side issue and avoiding the main topic!

If you are going to violate your own imposed date on when it is appropriate to look at records, then please address the main topic. I will wait to hear from you on the Eastern Confernce vs Western! Don't be a bitch, please keep us up to date on how the East is doing compared to the West.
 
Xfactor,

No need to wait any longer...

Time to bring yoru ass back in here and admit YOU WERE WORNG on both accounts!!! :lol:

The Eastern Conference still has a losing record vs West (and it will stay that way no matter what happens in the final week). So much for having to play on the road early being the reason they were losing those games to Western Conference teams.

And the SouthWes division proved me right in being the most competitive division in the league (not the Central). And thats even having the worst team in the whole league in their division they still proved to be the best division in the league!!! I love how your bitchass came back in when the Central Division briefly posted a better record than the Southwest for 1 game, so bring your ass back now!!!


Don't bother coming back with any more excuses, the records are what the records are!
 
:lol: I had forgotten all about this thread because of how garbage the article by Simmons was (not a surprise there was a complete shake up in the standings) but its funny you bump it to call me out after you went on record to say O'Neal couldnt lead the Heat to the playoffs (while they immediately reeled off 12 wins in the next 15 games)

TrojansFan said:
Xfactor,

No need to wait any longer...

:smh: I thought cranrab used to take shots at your lack of understanding the English language as joking but obviously he was serious.

xfactor on 12-04-2006 said:
The only date that matters... June 28, 2007. The day of the 2007 NBA draft. By that time the season will be over. A champion will be crowned, and you can talk about what conference is better.

Last I checked, the season was not over and its April 15, 2007 so why are you blowing your load faster than a dude getting his first piece of pussy? :confused:

TrojansFan said:
The Eastern Conference still has a losing record vs West (and it will stay that way no matter what happens in the final week). So much for having to play on the road early being the reason they were losing those games to Western Conference teams.

You are partially right. Out of the playoff teams, 4 out of 8 teams in the East had .500 or better records against the West whereas in the East, 6 out of the 8 playoffs teams had .500 or better records against the West.

TrojansFan said:
And the SouthWes division proved me right in being the most competitive division in the league (not the Central). And thats even having the worst team in the whole league in their division they still proved to be the best division in the league!!! I love how your bitchass came back in when the Central Division briefly posted a better record than the Southwest for 1 game, so bring your ass back now!!!

Is that so? You do know if Indiana makes the playoffs the Eastern Central division will have 4 teams in the postseason (as opposed to 3 in the Southwest). I dont know how it is where you are from, but in America, 4 is greater than 3. :smh: @ how dumb you continue to sound opening your mouth about things you know nothing about.

Also, the two bottom teams in the Southwest went 57-103 and a combined 7-25 in the division (Both worse records than the bottom two teams in the Central division. So yeah, I'm sure Houston, Dallas, and San Antonio had a tough time trying not to paid their records against those teams going a combined 12-0 against Memphis and a combined 9-3 against New Orleans.

Once again... :lol: @ TrojansFan
 
xfactor said:
:lol: I had forgotten all about this thread because of how garbage the article by Simmons was (not a surprise there was a complete shake up in the standings) but its funny you bump it to call me out after you went on record to say O'Neal couldnt lead the Heat to the playoffs (while they immediately reeled off 12 wins in the next 15 games)



:smh: I thought cranrab used to take shots at your lack of understanding the English language as joking but obviously he was serious.



Last I checked, the season was not over and its April 15, 2007 so why are you blowing your load faster than a dude getting his first piece of pussy? :confused:



You are partially right. Out of the playoff teams, 4 out of 8 teams in the East had .500 or better records against the West whereas in the East, 6 out of the 8 playoffs teams had .500 or better records against the West.



Is that so? You do know if Indiana makes the playoffs the Eastern Central division will have 4 teams in the postseason (as opposed to 3 in the Southwest). I dont know how it is where you are from, but in America, 4 is greater than 3. :smh: @ how dumb you continue to sound opening your mouth about things you know nothing about.

Also, the two bottom teams in the Southwest went 57-103 and a combined 7-25 in the division (Both worse records than the bottom two teams in the Central division. So yeah, I'm sure Houston, Dallas, and San Antonio had a tough time trying not to paid their records against those teams going a combined 12-0 against Memphis and a combined 9-3 against New Orleans.

Once again... :lol: @ TrojansFan


OK, do you realize what an ass you look like??? :confused:

You were cleary wrong, and can't admit it! :smh:
I admitted I was wrong about my opinion on Shaq leading the HEat to the playoffs. ASo why would you bring that up? Nobody is right all the time and a real MAN can adamit when they are wrong!!! :yes:


All that shit you typed in your response cant change two facts...

1. At the end of the season the Western Confernce will have a better record against the Eastern Confernce. Since Wins and Losses are all that matter in sports. You were wrong! All the other nonsense coming out of your mouth is irrelevent to which conference is better. ( I don't have to wait till the end of teh season because the lead is large enough that nothing the East can do change the outcome)

2. At the end of season the Southwest Division will have a better record than the Central Dividion and any other division in the NBA. This the Southwest division proved to be the most competitive. I notice you want to count the number of teams the Central might send to the playoffs as some indication of most competitive divison, but that is irrelevant considering that point 1 already established that Eastern Confernce is weaker and thereby easier to make the playoffs. The fact that you point out how weak Memphis and NO were in the SouthWest and yet the division still posted a better record than anyother shows just how dominate the teams at the top of that divison are (remember within a division the records even out to a nifty .500 winning percentage just like within a confernce, so for the division to post the best won/lost record in the league with those two teams holding them back is MORE IMPRESSIVE NOT LESS and there is no padding since Memphis went 0-12 against the top 3 to offset the 12-0 they posted against them)

Why do have to explain basic math principles to you? Did you go to college? Did you even graduate high school??? I thought I explained this to you when you tried to suggest that Eastern Confernce had a poor record because they beat up on themselves. Did you not understand that cant happen??? For the last time, teams within the same confernce or within the same divison will always post equal numbers of wins and losses against eachother, because for every win there is a loss and vice versa.

Your arguments are totally off point and just plain STUPID!!!
Notice you have gotten no support from your friends, that should tell your dumbass something!

Stop trying to make excuses you lame ass nigga, you was wrong.

Be a fucking a man and admit it and move on!!!
 
TrojansFan said:
Stop trying to make excuses you lame ass nigga

I was happily ready to reply to your uninformed drivel until I read this. nigga? Arent you some euro-asian trash immigrant? GTFOH.

You always provide the comic relief when you come to the sports board with your cake boys rants and regurgitated ESPN propoganda but now you've stepped out of line.

Keep your estrogen laced tirades for the main board. You're about as bad as your fellow woman commentator Swin Cash. :smh:
 
xfactor said:
I was happily ready to reply to your uninformed drivel until I read this. nigga? Arent you some euro-asian trash immigrant? GTFOH.

You always provide the comic relief when you come to the sports board with your cake boys rants and regurgitated ESPN propoganda but now you've stepped out of line.

Keep your estrogen laced tirades for the main board. You're about as bad as your fellow woman commentator Swin Cash. :smh:


Yo

Some dudes are real emotional about some shit, huh?

Trojans Fan is officially on ignore at this point....

Makes me really appreciate TimRock
 
xfactor said:
I was happily ready to reply to your uninformed drivel until I read this. nigga? Arent you some euro-asian trash immigrant? GTFOH.

You always provide the comic relief when you come to the sports board with your cake boys rants and regurgitated ESPN propoganda but now you've stepped out of line.

Keep your estrogen laced tirades for the main board. You're about as bad as your fellow woman commentator Swin Cash. :smh:


WHERE WOULD YOU GET THE IDEA THAT I AM IMMIGRANT?

I'M GUESSING JUST BECAUSE CRANRAB CALLS ME ARMENIAN... YOU BELIEVE IT?

DUMBASS, I AM AN EDUCATED BLACK MAN WHO GRADUATED MAGNA CUM LAUDE FROM A HBCU!!!

MAYBE YOU SHOULDN't LISTEN TO ALL THE SHIT THAT COMES OUT OF CRANRABS MOUTH!!!

WHAT'S REALLY HILLARIOUS IS I JUST DID A GOOGLE SEARCH OF "TROJANS FAN" TO SEE WHAT IS OUT THERE... LOW AND BEHOLD SOME ARMENIAN'S WEB PAGE CAME UP!!!

SO LETS GET TWO THINGS STRAIGHT...

1. THAT AINT ME! :smh:
(apparently more than one person on this planet likes the Trojans) :rolleyes:

2. CRANRAB IS SO OBSESSED WITH ME THAT HE IS GOOGLING ME??? :confused: R U FUCKING SERIOUS??? HE GETS INTO A DISCUSSION WITH A SCREENNAME ON A PORN MESSAGE BOARD AND STARTS GOOGLING THAT SCREENNAME??? :confused: YEAH, YALL KEEP LISTENING TO EVERYTHING HE SAYS - HE IS DEFINITELY STABLE! :roflmao:
(Now I know he just an obsessed hater of Kobe that can't let it go, if he can get obsessed with me to the point that he is looking me up on the internet, no telling how far he will take the Kobe thing. All this time I just thought he was calling me armenian like he calls kobe tobe, didnt realize he actually thought he had researched me :lol: )


THIS IS PORN MESSAGE BOARD, YALL ARE TAKING SHIT A BIT TOO SERIOUS IF YOU TRYING TO RESEARCH ME!!! BY THE WAY, I AM TO SMART TO PUT MY PERSONAL INFO ON THE INTERNET SO YOU ARE WASTING YOUR TIME.
 
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TrojansFan said:
WHAT'S REALLY HILLARIOUS IS I JUST DID A GOOGLE SEARCH OF "TROJANS FAN" TO SEE WHAT IS OUT THERE... LOW AND BEHOLD SOME ARMENIAN'S WEB PAGE CAME UP

what's REALLY hilarious is that you can't even tell the TRUTH with some simple shit like this.

:lol:

i've never googled your username before, but I DID JUST NOW.

first listing a myspace page.

next listings, christian websites.

next listing, israeli website.

next listing, ebay page.

what "armenian web page came up"?

sad.

:smh: @ an armenian who can't keep my name out his mouth.
 
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TrojansFan said:
WHAT'S REALLY HILLARIOUS IS I JUST DID A GOOGLE SEARCH OF "TROJANS FAN" TO SEE WHAT IS OUT THERE... LOW AND BEHOLD SOME ARMENIAN'S WEB PAGE CAME UP

poor, poor armenian.

i wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt, so i just performed a SECOND google search, this time for the EXACT words you claimed you typed.

so let's get some things straight:

1. i googled your username ("trojansfan", no space), and no "armenian web page came up".

2. i googled what you typed above ("trojans fan", with a space), and AGAIN, no "armenian web page came up".

3. i based my estimation of your ethnicity based on:

(a) your obvious lack of command of the english language.
(b) the preponderance of armenians who are BOTH fakers and usc fans in southern california.

unlike you, i'm NOT a simp beef googler. i must be pretty close in my estimation for you to react in this alarming way.

4. this is an internet message board. unlike you, i have NO interest in concocting elaborate lies to try and save face.

5. i am prepared to admit that i may have mistakenly assumed you were an adult. this latest childish ruse of yours forces me to adjust for your age considerably.
 
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TrojansFan said:
WHERE WOULD YOU GET THE IDEA THAT I AM IMMIGRANT?

maybe because you compose sentences like arnold schwarzenegger speaks?

TrojansFan said:
I AM AN EDUCATED BLACK MAN WHO GRADUATED MAGNA CUM LAUDE FROM A HBCU!

thank god you didn't reveal the name of the institution. given your poor working knowledge of english, it would have seriously devalued the degrees of other graduates.

or in your case, does HBCU mean historical BALTIC colleges and universities?

oh wait, i found your graduation picture on your imaginary "armenian website". you really did graduate magna cum laude :rolleyes:

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i think i reasonably speak for others when i say nobody here cares to verify your (obviously phony) credentials. how'd you decide on magna cum laude? did you feel that summa cum laude would have been pushing it?

:lol:
 
TrojansFan said:
DUMBASS, I AM AN EDUCATED BLACK MAN WHO GRADUATED MAGNA CUM LAUDE FROM A HBCU!!!

:eek:

This looney tune has finally flipped. An educated black man from an HBCU? You arent even a man.

:smh: @ TrojansFan outting herself as not only Armenian but female as well.

And I dont even know why you brought Historically Black Colleges and Universities into this thread. Discrediting black education like that? Your "degree" is obviously as phony as your knowledge of basketball.

TrojansFan said:
WHAT'S REALLY HILLARIOUS IS I JUST DID A GOOGLE SEARCH OF "TROJANS FAN" TO SEE WHAT IS OUT THERE... LOW AND BEHOLD SOME ARMENIAN'S WEB PAGE CAME UP!!!

I did a GOOGLE.com search, YAHOO.com search, and an ASKJEEVES.com search and guess what? Non of the shit you said popped up. :smh:

Dumb ass Armenian outted herself not once, but twice in the same post.

Like I said before, leave the estrogen filled, over emotional tirades for the main board.

:lol: Obviously TrojansFan got some "Groupie love" from Wobe and thinks she's an expert on the game. It's all starting to make sense now.
 
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cranrab said:
oh wait, i found your graduation picture on your imaginary "armenian website". you really did graduate magna cum laude :rolleyes:

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:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
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