Navy Secretary Forced Out Because He Questioned Trump's Meddling With Shit He Didn't Have Any Business With

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Esper forces out Navy secretary over disputed SEAL case

At issue was the fate of a sailor who had been accused of war crimes and whose rank President Trump recently restored.

By Wesley Morgan
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Navy Secretary Richard Spencer resigned Sunday at Defense Secretary Mark Esper’s request over a private compromise Spencer proposed to the White House that would have allowed a sailor accused of war crimes to retire as a SEAL rather than being kicked out of the elite force’s ranks, the Pentagon said.

Spencer‘s departure marks the latest development in a case that has pitted military leaders against President Donald Trump, whose desire to keep the sailor in the SEALs Spencer criticized in a letter to the president. It also adds to a year of turmoil at the Pentagon as Trump has cycled through top civilian leaders there.

Spencer kept Esper out of the loop on the proposal, which contradicted the Navy secretary’s public position that a board to potentially kick Chief Petty Officer Eddie Gallagher out of the SEALs should proceed despite Trump’s opposition. But Esper has also ordered that Gallagher remain a SEAL.

Esper sought Spencer’s resignation “after losing trust and confidence in him regarding his lack of candor over conversations with the White House involving the handling of Navy SEAL Eddie Gallagher,” Pentagon spokesperson Jonathan Hoffman said in a statement. Esper received Spencer’s resignation this evening, Hoffman added.

But in a letter to Trump acknowledging his departure from the top Navy job, Spencer made no mention of the private deal, and said that he and the president had different views of “the key principle of good order and discipline.”

The Defense Department’s statement quoted Esper as saying: “I am deeply troubled by this conduct shown by a senior DOD official. Unfortunately, as a result I have determined that Secretary Spencer no longer has my confidence to continue in his position.” A spokesperson for Spencer referred queries to Esper’s office. The Washington Post first reported Esper’s request.

In a series of tweets, Trump said that Esper fired Spencer, and he criticized Spencer both for his handling of the Gallagher case and for other aspects of his performance as Navy secretary.

“I was not pleased with the way that Navy Seal Eddie Gallagher’s trial was handled by the Navy,” Trump wrote on Twitter. “He was treated very badly but, despite this, was completely exonerated on all major charges. I then restored Eddie’s rank. Likewise, large cost overruns from past administration’s contracting procedures were not addressed to my satisfaction. Therefore, Secretary of the Navy Richard Spencer’s services have been terminated by Secretary of Defense Mark Esper.”

Trump didn’t specify which contracting issues he meant, but he and Spencer have butted heads over the delivery schedule of the Navy’s next aircraft carrier, the USS Gerald Ford. Delays have plagued the carrier’s weapons elevators, and Spencer publicly bet Trump last January that if the problems weren’t resolved by the next time the warship put to sea, the president could fire him — only for the carrier to sail last month with only some of its elevators working.

Trump’s relationship with his administration’s top Pentagon leaders has been marked by increasing turmoil over the past year, starting with retired Gen. Jim Mattis’s resignation as Defense secretary last December following a presidential order, which was later partly reversed, to pull the U.S. military presence out of Syria. Trump has since gone through three acting Defense secretaries — including, briefly, Spencer — before Esper was confirmed in July. On Esper’s watch, Trump has again ordered a pullout from Syria, only to again partially reverse it under pressure from the Pentagon and Congress.

Sen. Jim Inhofe (R-Okla.), chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, said in a statement: “Both Secretary Esper and President Trump deserve to have a leadership team who has their trust and confidence. It is no secret that I had my own disagreements with Secretary Spencer over the management of specific Navy programs, and I look forward to receiving and considering a nomination for the next Secretary of the Navy as soon as possible.”

Gallagher was acquitted over the summer of murdering a wounded prisoner in Iraq, but convicted of posing for a photo with the dead militant’s body and demoted. Days after Trump restored Gallagher’s rank earlier this month, Navy officials said that the top admiral responsible for the SEALs was notifying Gallagher and three of his superior officers that boards were being convened to consider expelling them from the commando unit.

“I hereby acknowledge my termination as United States Secretary of the Navy, to be effective immediately,” Spencer wrote in a letter to Trump posted on Twitter by CNN.

Spencer did not refer in the letter to the communications with the White House that the Pentagon cited in its announcement.
 
1st..gallagher most likely did what he was accused of and it was covered up. Organizations that have a fraternal culture have a habit of covering for their bad actors especially if they are well regarded or popular. You see it in college frats, the police and most certainly the military. The only times you see a person actually getting punished is when the offense is clear and they literally get caught in the act. Otherwise, complaints and accounts from witnesses can get brushed aside. (e.g. the current impeachment hearing)

One thing is indisputable...gallagher took a trophy pic with a corpse and it was disturbing enough to warrant punishment from his commanding officers closer to the issue that the president is. Trump overriding their decision undermines the authority of the UCMJ, it seems to say that aberrant behavior on the battlefield will be tolerated at the highest levels and It shows the president micromanaging an issue his experienced officers should be dealing with.

2. Spencer fucked up by trying to make a deal with the whitehouse without going thru the defense sec first. Dude was trying to save face for the UCMJ and got caught out there.
 
1st..gallagher most likely did what he was accused of and it was covered up. Organizations that have a fraternal culture have a habit of covering for their bad actors especially if they are well regarded or popular. You see it in college frats, the police and most certainly the military. The only times you see a person actually getting punished is when the offense is clear and they literally get caught in the act. Otherwise, complaints and accounts from witnesses can get brushed aside. (e.g. the current impeachment hearing)

One thing is indisputable...gallagher took a trophy pic with a corpse and it was disturbing enough to warrant punishment from his commanding officers closer to the issue that the president is. Trump overriding their decision undermines the authority of the UCMJ, it seems to say that aberrant behavior on the battlefield will be tolerated at the highest levels and It shows the president micromanaging an issue his experienced officers should be dealing with.

2. Spencer fucked up by trying to make a deal with the whitehouse without going thru the defense sec first. Dude was trying to save face for the UCMJ and got caught out there.
I'm having a hard time believing this deal thing. Why would he lie to the President, when he had to know that the President wanted that man to retire with full rank no matter what? Did he expect military and public opinion to kick in and force the President to back off?
 
I'm having a hard time believing this deal thing. Why would he lie to the President, when he had to know that the President wanted that man to retire with full rank no matter what? Did he expect military and public opinion to kick in and force the President to back off?
I think he was trying to save face for the UCMJ and maintain some level of authority for them. Trump intervening undercuts their authority with the enlisted men and dude was trying to find a way to appease the Commander in Chief and still look like they have authority too
 
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I think he was trying to save face for the UCMJ and maintain some level of authority for them. Trump intervening undercuts their authority with the enlisted men and dude was trying to find a way to appease the Commander in Chief and still look like they have authority too
Everybody knows you don't go against Trump. I just don't get logic that he purposely lied to the administration. The only scenario that makes sense to me is he truly believed he could get the navy to back down. However, after talking to the Navy, realized either the Navy was right in their argument or thought it was pointless to start a pissing contest with them.
 
They said dude was so bad, his fellow soldiers would change his gun sights behind his back, so he couldn't shoot straight, because he had a habit of taking sniper shots at civilians.
 
1st..gallagher most likely did what he was accused of and it was covered up. Organizations that have a fraternal culture have a habit of covering for their bad actors especially if they are well regarded or popular. You see it in college frats, the police and most certainly the military. The only times you see a person actually getting punished is when the offense is clear and they literally get caught in the act. Otherwise, complaints and accounts from witnesses can get brushed aside. (e.g. the current impeachment hearing)

One thing is indisputable...gallagher took a trophy pic with a corpse and it was disturbing enough to warrant punishment from his commanding officers closer to the issue that the president is. Trump overriding their decision undermines the authority of the UCMJ, it seems to say that aberrant behavior on the battlefield will be tolerated at the highest levels and It shows the president micromanaging an issue his experienced officers should be dealing with.

2. Spencer fucked up by trying to make a deal with the whitehouse without going thru the defense sec first. Dude was trying to save face for the UCMJ and got caught out there.
I think it also undermines the authority commanders and senior NCO have over the troops in their charge.
If a troop doesn't like a command, will they run to the media when the UCMJ forbids it?
 
I think it also undermines the authority commanders and senior NCO have over the troops in their charge.
If a troop doesn't like a command, will they run to the media when the UCMJ forbids it?
this isn't just about gallagher who was convicted of the trophy photo thing...trump pardoned two other SEALs and refused to let gallagher be disciplined for the trophy photo.. That essentially says GO CRAZY BOYS THE PRESIDENT'S GOT YOUR BACK. So the next time (and there will be a next time) something like that happens it will be much hard to punish operators for it. A bad precedent has been set.
 
1st..gallagher most likely did what he was accused of and it was covered up. Organizations that have a fraternal culture have a habit of covering for their bad actors especially if they are well regarded or popular. You see it in college frats, the police and most certainly the military. The only times you see a person actually getting punished is when the offense is clear and they literally get caught in the act. Otherwise, complaints and accounts from witnesses can get brushed aside. (e.g. the current impeachment hearing)

One thing is indisputable...gallagher took a trophy pic with a corpse and it was disturbing enough to warrant punishment from his commanding officers closer to the issue that the president is. Trump overriding their decision undermines the authority of the UCMJ, it seems to say that aberrant behavior on the battlefield will be tolerated at the highest levels and It shows the president micromanaging an issue his experienced officers should be dealing with.

2. Spencer fucked up by trying to make a deal with the whitehouse without going thru the defense sec first. Dude was trying to save face for the UCMJ and got caught out there.


His own men turned him in...
 
Now the crazy military Cac's are going to see this as 45 will come to your rescue if you do some crazy shit :smh: this will lead to some bad shit.
Trump just pissed on everyone in the military with this. Honor and integrity is out the door now.
 
I found this to be informative about this whole situation

From Quora:

Trump states the Navy will not take away Gallagher's SEAL Trident. Adm. Green says he disagrees with the president and is going to take Gallagher’s Trident, thus remove him from the SEALS. Do you agree with Trump or the military?





Most people think this is just about Chief Gallagher posing with a corpse—it’s not. That is the public side of this issue (which is a heck of a lot of bigger than Gallagher and his actions).

Rear Admiral Green has removed the senior leadership of SEAL Team 7 (and that has a lot more to do with Gallagher and the incidents involving him). According to a memo that Green sent to everyone in the SEAL community: “our force has drifted from our Navy core values of honor, courage, and commitment ... due to a lack of action at all levels of leadership. We have found that a portion of this force is ethically misaligned with our culture…”

Again, this is a lot more than Gallagher. It includes killing Staff Sgt. Logan Melgar (US Special Forces) and then trying to first label it as hand-to-hand practice gone bad and when that story didn’t take, as hazing that went a bit overboard. The initial report I saw said that Melgar was disgusted that they were pocketing money set aside to recruit assets in Mali. Or the rape of a shipmate. Or multiple SEALs found to be repeatedly using cocaine.

With Gallagher, there is no dispute that he left his duty station in order to drive to where the wounded POW was, then knife him, apparently thinking he’d killed him. Gallagher then told members of his platoon that anyone who turned him in he’d kill, multiple team members closed ranks and changed their stories or refused to testify, one team member who had been given complete immunity then changed his story to say that it was he who killed the POW. For those team members who did testify, Gallagher’s defense was that they were jealous millennials with no experience (stop and think about that defense for a second—Gallagher is basically saying that a bunch of SEALs are wet-behind-the-ears incompetents who aren’t fit for combat or responsibility).

Multiple members of Gallagher’s platoon testified that they saw him snipe civilians against the ROE (but there was no forensic proof—no-one recovered the bodies so it was only the “word” of the SEALS that they were positive the shots came from Gallagher’s location).

Gallagher’s lawyers are good friends and former co-workers of Rudy Giuliani. They’ve met with the President. The President then personally intervened to order (at the threat of being fired) that Gallagher not be placed in the Brig. The President ordered Gallagher be restored in rank. When he found out that Green had ordered a review to determine if Gallagher should lose his Trident, Trump ordered the SecNavy that he would not allow other disciplinary action against Gallagher. BTW, all of this happened with efforts by the Joint Chiefs to intervene—they discouraged the pardons, they discouraged the intervention into the Navy review process.

Gallagher (and his punishment for posing with the corpse of a POW he thought he killed) are what the public knows about and thinks what this dispute is about. It isn’t. It is so much bigger than that. What Admiral Green and the former SecNavy are grappling with is a series of operational issues when deployed and a couple of public/semi-public issues (Gallagher of which is only one).
 
Not a big fan of military coups but, i understand...prolly be a nice improvement..

 
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