Natalie Cole hating on Amy Wine house (taken from the main board)

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Its a little bit of jealousy I figure. :smh: I think Amy can sing despite her inability to stay away from the hardcore ish that is messing her up but she IS in rehab yes. For Natalie Cole to dispute her Grammy win because of her dependency is childish. Its about the music not the person's personal behaviour.









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ladyscorpio said:
Its a little bit of jealousy I figure. :smh: I think Amy can sing despite her inability to stay away from the hardcore ish that is messing her up but she IS in rehab yes. For Natalie Cole to dispute her Grammy win because of her dependency is childish. Its about the music not the person's personal behaviour.









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I agree wholeheartedly LadyScorpio, a hell of a lot of the musicians with Grammy's have had issues with substance abuse. Everybody from Dionne Warwick to Kurt Cobain to Whitney Houston to Marvin Gaye to Natalie herself (and the list goes on). I was surprised that she would hate like she did...
 
SWATLANTA said:
I agree wholeheartedly LadyScorpio, a hell of a lot of the musicians with Grammy's have had issues with substance abuse. Everybody from Dionne Warwick to Kurt Cobain to Whitney Houston to Marvin Gaye to Natalie herself (and the list goes on). I was surprised that she would hate like she did...
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I think on some level perhaps Ms Cole is reliving her own failings where Amy is concerned. People only put out what they are feeling towards themselves onto others. Especially where the negative is concerned.
So, in order for her to feel good about herself she decides to put someone else down.






Peace
 
NC was on drugs,high whatever but she has never looked as bad as AW.Should she have won?yes,why not but should she have performed?thats should be up for debate.
 
I read about this elsewhere and I was upset that she made those comments. Despite Amy's drug problems she's a helluva artist.. and like someone else said she's not the first artist to have a drug problem.. Hell, I think some artists (Mary J. Blige) make better music high than sober.. not that I want AW not to get better, cuz girl does look sick...
 
ladyscorpio said:
I think on some level perhaps Ms Cole is reliving her own failings where Amy is concerned. People only put out what they are feeling towards themselves onto others. Especially where the negative is concerned.
So, in order for her to feel good about herself she decides to put someone else down.






Peace
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Well said !! This Lady never disappoints...:D

Cleopatra_J said:
I read about this elsewhere and I was upset that she made those comments. Despite Amy's drug problems she's a helluva artist.. and like someone else said she's not the first artist to have a drug problem.. Hell, I think some artists (Mary J. Blige) make better music high than sober.. not that I want AW not to get better, cuz girl does look sick...
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I couldn't agree more...
shanebp1978 said:
Let's post more Natalie Cole pics.
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:hmm:....:lol:

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It’s a non issue. Just another overrated white celebrity just like most of today’s so called artists. Winehouse or what ever the fuck her name is couldn’t hold a pair of draws to Natalie Cole. If it weren’t for the visual medium, music videos, she would be another obscure white chick. Today’s singers are all style and very little substance. In 5 years we will be saying "Winehouse who."
 
thoughtone said:
It’s a non issue. Just another overrated white celebrity just like most of today’s so called artists. Winehouse or what ever the fuck her name is couldn’t hold a pair of draws to Natalie Cole. If it weren’t for the visual medium, music videos, she would be another obscure white chick. Today’s singers are all style and very little substance. In 5 years we will be saying "Winehouse who."
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All that doesn't even matter. Who cares if she is a one hit wonder ? I never even listened to the chick before. Last night was Winehouse's night and Natalie made herself look like a hypocrite by criticising Winehouse when she is guilty of walking the same path.
 
SWATLANTA said:
All that doesn't even matter. Who cares if she is a one hit wonder ? I never even listened to the chick before. Last night was Winehouse's night and Natalie made herself look like a hypocrite by criticising Winehouse when she is guilty of walking the same path.
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Exactly. Say what you want about about the girl, but she deserved the awards she received last night. Whether she'll still be making records five years from now or not, her album is good and it's something you will be able to listen to years from now, despite any personal demons she's facing. I think Natalie Cole was out of line for making the comments that she did.
 
thoughtone said:
It’s a non issue. Just another overrated white celebrity just like most of today’s so called artists. Winehouse or what ever the fuck her name is couldn’t hold a pair of draws to Natalie Cole. If it weren’t for the visual medium, music videos, she would be another obscure white chick. Today’s singers are all style and very little substance. In 5 years we will be saying "Winehouse who."
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I hate to agree but your right. Amy Winehouse's recognition can be traced to a number of factors such as a public that lack's knowledge on good quality music and a lack of quality artist. With so many artist now dependent upon studios, studio gimics and sampling, Winehouse's music was a fresh change although IMO not outstanding.

There's only a handful of singer's today that show promise of long term success within the music industry. As you said, "today’s singers are all style and have very little substance." These stylish singers get over because there's always been a demand for new music. But the question is, how many will have lifelong careers in the music industry? The answer is very few.

Load a track up with heavy bass, a sample of someone's legit hit from the past, loop the sample and bingo a hit record. That is because the public is ignorant to what good music really is but moreso demand little from today's artist. Most people (artist included) today wouldn't know the difference between middle C vs. a glass of Hi-C.

Natalie Cole's rant as was Dee Dee Bridgewater's rant on Norah Jones (aka Snorah Jones) a few years ago though on point, didn't show much class, was ill-timed on her part but it needed to be said. When a drugged out Amy Winehouse takes home 5 Grammy's to Alicia Keys one Grammy, it does send the wrong message.
 
Mo-Better said:
I hate to agree but your right. Amy Winehouse's recognition can be traced to a number of factors such as a public that lack's knowledge on good quality music and a lack of quality artist. With so many artist now dependent upon studios, studio gimics and sampling, Winehouse's music was a fresh change although IMO not outstanding.

There's only a handful of singer's today that show promise of long term success within the music industry. As you said, "today’s singers are all style and have very little substance." These stylish singers get over because there's always been a demand for new music. But the question is, how many will have lifelong careers in the music industry? The answer is very few.

Load a track up with heavy bass, a sample of someone's legit hit from the past, loop the sample and bingo a hit record. That is because the public is ignorant to what good music really is but moreso demand little from today's artist. Most people (artist included) today wouldn't know the difference between middle C vs. a glass of Hi-C.

Natalie Cole's rant as was Dee Dee Bridgewater's rant on Norah Jones (aka Snorah Jones) a few years ago though on point, didn't show much class, was ill-timed on her part but it needed to be said. When a drugged out Amy Winehouse takes home 5 Grammy's to Alicia Keys one Grammy, it does send the wrong message.
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It's amazing how people assume that they are experts on art. Music is art, and art is subjective. The Grammy was not awarded to Winehouse for her full library of work. She was recognized for one piece (her album). I can't stand Kanye West or his music but that doesn't give me the right to say he is an inferior talent just because I don't like it (a whining faggot maybe, but I digress :D). The fact that so many others do feel his work automatically gives his music credibility. Her album was multi-platinum which speaks for itself.
 
SWATLANTA said:
It's amazing how people assume that they are experts on art. Music is art, and art is subjective. The Grammy was not awarded to Winehouse for her full library of work. She was recognized for one piece (her album). I can't stand Kanye West or his music but that doesn't give me the right to say he is an inferior talent just because I don't like it (a whining faggot maybe, but I digress :D). The fact that so many others do feel his work automatically gives his music credibility. Her album was multi-platinum which speaks for itself.
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Uhh....no.

Using that logic Hammer, Vanilla Ice, and Milli Vanilli are great talents with credibility.
 
Silencer said:
Uhh....no.

Using that logic Hammer, Vanilla Ice, and Milli Vanilli are great talents with credibility.
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I never said they were great talents, I said people felt their music (even though you or I may not have) which gives them credibility on some level. Milli Vanilli were frauds (so they aren't relevant), Hammer was an entertainer, and Vanilla Ice could dance. Amy Winehouse is a songwriter and poet and over 5 million people worldwide felt what she was doing enough to spend their money on her. RIF
 
No hate in Natalie Cole.

Natalie Cole is a grown ass woman that has been an addict. She knows that Amy is being rewarded for her addiction. Her hit record is "I don't wanna go to rehab." Why are people ignoring the fact that she is such a junkie, that they had to cancel her tour. She has been in and out of jail. This chick is so gone that she sings addiction anthems.

This ain't hate, crazy people.

Every addict now has an anthem to inspire them to remain in the depths of their addiction.

I guess artists should make songs like.

I don't want to go to child support court.
I don't want to go to dui court.
I don't want to go to domestic violence class.
I don't want to go home cause my infant is home alone.
I am pregnant and I get high.
She 12 and I'm R Kelly.



This junkie is being celebrated for being a junkie. An ex junkie (Natalie Cole) knows the dangers of how honoring a celebrity junkie can lead to destruction and death.

Meanwhile, the public will look to revere another junkie.

This is common sense.

If Whitney houston had made the rehab song, yall would clown her to no end.

Lastly, Winehouse voice had Keyes faded. Besides, all Keyes songs sound the same. Alicia album should be sold as a remix.
 
The point is people DO have the right to say someone sucks if they think someone sucks.

SWATLANTA said:
I can't stand Kanye West or his music but that doesn't give me the right to say he is an inferior talent just because I don't like it
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Many clueless kids are feeling some of these garbage ass ringtone rappers. But they have no credibility-- to me, and many others. Opinions are allowed.
 
rNubb said:
No hate in Natalie Cole.

Natalie Cole is a grown ass woman that has been an addict. She knows that Amy is being rewarded for her addiction. Her hit record is "I don't wanna go to rehab." Why are people ignoring the fact that she is such a junkie, that they had to cancel her tour. She has been in and out of jail. This chick is so gone that she sings addiction anthems.

This ain't hate, crazy people.

Every addict now has an anthem to inspire them to remain in the depths of their addiction.

I guess artists should make songs like.

I don't want to go to child support court.
I don't want to go to dui court.
I don't want to go to domestic violence class.
I don't want to go home cause my infant is home alone.
I am pregnant and I get high.
She 12 and I'm R Kelly.



This junkie is being celebrated for being a junkie. An ex junkie (Natalie Cole) knows the dangers of how honoring a celebrity junkie can lead to destruction and death.

Meanwhile, the public will look to revere another junkie.

This is common sense.

If Whitney houston had made the rehab song, yall would clown her to no end.
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Do you realize how many songs have celebrated drug use that have been hits ?

Black Sabbath - Snowblind
Eric Claptin - Cocaine
System of a Down - This Cocaine Makes Me Feel Like I'm on This Song
SOAD - Psycho ("psycho, groupie, cocaine crazy)
Grateful Dead - Truckin' (livin' on reds, vitiman c and cocaine)
Lynyrd Skynyrd - That Smell ("take another toke, have a blow for your nose
White Lines - Grandmaster Flash
Draggin' The Line - Tommy James & The Shondells
Johnny Cash - Cocaine Blues.
"Mr. Brownstone" - Guns N' Roses (heroin)
King Heroin James Brown
Jimi Hendrix - Cocaine

I could go on for days...

If you want to ride, ride the white horse
More, More, More, How do you like it etc.
 
Mo-Better said:
I hate to agree but your right. Amy Winehouse's recognition can be traced to a number of factors such as a public that lack's knowledge on good quality music and a lack of quality artist. With so many artist now dependent upon studios, studio gimics and sampling, Winehouse's music was a fresh change although IMO not outstanding.

There's only a handful of singer's today that show promise of long term success within the music industry. As you said, "today’s singers are all style and have very little substance." These stylish singers get over because there's always been a demand for new music. But the question is, how many will have lifelong careers in the music industry? The answer is very few.

Load a track up with heavy bass, a sample of someone's legit hit from the past, loop the sample and bingo a hit record. That is because the public is ignorant to what good music really is but moreso demand little from today's artist. Most people (artist included) today wouldn't know the difference between middle C vs. a glass of Hi-C.

Natalie Cole's rant as was Dee Dee Bridgewater's rant on Norah Jones (aka Snorah Jones) a few years ago though on point, didn't show much class, was ill-timed on her part but it needed to be said. When a drugged out Amy Winehouse takes home 5 Grammy's to Alicia Keys one Grammy, it does send the wrong message.
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What kind of message is that?

It's not like Alicia Keys is all that talented either.
And let's be real.
Peeps all over Black websites have downed her latest effort.

That Winehouse record was out for a few years before it hit state-side.
I liked it when I first heard it.
Love the horn arrangements.
And the fact that she honored The Specials by doing a few of their Brit Ska stuff. That took me by surprise.
Winehouse ain't manufactured. But she could possibly be a train wreck waiting to happen. Though I was glad to see that she was extremely humbled by her wins on Sunday. Hopefully a road to recovery for her.

Not overly-produced, sythesized, stuff that permeates much music (especially American R&B/Soul) these days.
Which pretty much describes Alicia Keys music.
IMO
 
rNubb said:
This junkie is being celebrated for being a junkie. An ex junkie (Natalie Cole) knows the dangers of how honoring a celebrity junkie can lead to destruction and death.
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Sunday night she was being celebrated for her music, not for her lack of willpower and self-control.
 
I realize that the Grammy's are a nite for celebration and no hate-ration should be taking place on the red carpet. However, Ms. Cole has a right to her opinion and she makes a damn good point. In the past drug use (by and large) wasn't something you did in the open or something to be proud of. People tried shake that shit and get clean in private. Artists today are smoking and drinking (cough syrup or whatever's in the cup) in videos and on stage. That can't be sending a good message to youngsters knowing how much they admire these performers today. The only artists that you knew smoked back in the day were Reggae artists.
 
Silencer said:
The point is people DO have the right to say someone sucks if they think someone sucks.




Many clueless kids are feeling some of these garbage ass ringtone rappers. But they have no credibility-- to me, and many others. Opinions are allowed.
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I can respect your opinion fam. I don't like Kanye and a lot of people feel the way I do, but he has a lot of fans that think he is the next great artist. I don't listen to those cats (ringtone rappers) either, but the kids feel it ( for some reason)and their opinions are no less valid then yours or mine. I just think (my opinion) that when the musicians art is consumed by the masses (multi-platinum speaks for itself), that it is an indication that their art is validated. I still remember my older cousins hating on UGK, Outkast, Tupac etc. because they preferred Dougie Fresh, PE, and the other artists of their time. All this shit is cyclical.
 
rNubb said:
No hate in Natalie Cole.

Natalie Cole is a grown ass woman that has been an addict. She knows that Amy is being rewarded for her addiction. Her hit record is "I don't wanna go to rehab." Why are people ignoring the fact that she is such a junkie, that they had to cancel her tour. She has been in and out of jail. This chick is so gone that she sings addiction anthems.

This ain't hate, crazy people.

Every addict now has an anthem to inspire them to remain in the depths of their addiction.

I guess artists should make songs like.

I don't want to go to child support court.
I don't want to go to dui court.
I don't want to go to domestic violence class.
I don't want to go home cause my infant is home alone.
I am pregnant and I get high.
She 12 and I'm R Kelly.



This junkie is being celebrated for being a junkie. An ex junkie (Natalie Cole) knows the dangers of how honoring a celebrity junkie can lead to destruction and death.

Meanwhile, the public will look to revere another junkie.

This is common sense.

If Whitney houston had made the rehab song, yall would clown her to no end.

Lastly, Winehouse voice had Keyes faded. Besides, all Keyes songs sound the same. Alicia album should be sold as a remix.
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Thank you for making the points I made in the other thread.

SinaminDelite said:
Sunday night she was being celebrated for her music, not for her lack of willpower and self-control.
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Hard to believe this when the song she performed that night was "They're tryin to take me to rehaaaaab I said NO....NO...NO....". :hmm: That wasnt a coincidence, that was Grammy Hype gone wrong.

Our kids dont need to see that bullshit bottom line.

I would have liked for Natalie Cole to have made it more obvious that she was criticizing NARAS and not Amy Winehouse--since it made it easier to dismiss her comments as "hatin'".

But Im glad she stood up, stood tall and said it.

If a former junkie who was enabled by the music biz cant call out the music biz for being on the same bullshit that got Janis Joplin (the old Amy) killed--who can? Sometimes our elders ARE on point, you know.
 
DaleMabry said:
Thank you for making the points I made in the other thread.



Hard to believe this when the song she performed that night was "They're tryin to take me to rehaaaaab I said NO....NO...NO....". :hmm: That wasnt a coincidence, that was Grammy Hype gone wrong.

Our kids dont need to see that bullshit bottom line.

I would have liked for Natalie Cole to have made it more obvious that she was criticizing NARAS and not Amy Winehouse--since it made it easier to dismiss her comments as "hatin'".

But Im glad she stood up, stood tall and said it.

If a former junkie who was enabled by the music biz cant call out the music biz for being on the same bullshit that got Janis Joplin (the old Amy) killed--who can? Sometimes our elders ARE on point, you know.
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She specifically stated that she didn't deserve to win the award and that she needed to get her life together first. Her mentioning young people was a cop out to cover her ass because she knew that comment was pure hate. The music business has been singing and praising drugs and drug use since the 1950's. 80% of rappers have sung about weed or coke.

Winehouse isn't the first artist to promote drug use...
Grandmaster Flash

[FLASH]http://www.youtube.com/v/yGFn-Q_FN44&rel=1[/FLASH]

Eric Clapton

[FLASH]http://www.youtube.com/v/qYS732zyYfU&rel=1[/FLASH]

Johnny Cash
[FLASH]http://www.youtube.com/v/ITsvPjbEPtc&rel=1[/FLASH]

Robin Thicke
[FLASH]http://www.youtube.com/v/rTPKaedwnxg&rel=1[/FLASH]



This shit has been going on for years...
 
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I know all that SWAT but she MIGHT be the first artist asked to perform at the grammies and mock getting help in her song, as she is in the middle of a fullblown junkie meltdown. Any youtubes on that one? :D

I mean DAMN. She's been all over the tabloids for her junkie hijinx in 08 (AND 07...AND 06).

Can we NOT ask her to perform the fuckin song that treats rehab as a joke...the night she's getting the award?

When is enough enough?

And ultimately why SHOULDNT a former Music Industry junkie call that shit out.

Why, cause its been that way forever? Shit, racist-ass white presidents have been that way forever.

Maybe Im just feeling that CHANGE campaign slogan LOL but precedent never justifies itself.
 
DaleMabry said:
I know all that SWAT but she MIGHT be the first artist asked to perform at the grammies and mock getting help in her song, as she is in the middle of a fullblown junkie meltdown. Any youtubes on that one? :D

I mean DAMN. She's been all over the tabloids for her junkie hijinx in 08 (AND 07...AND 06).

Can we NOT ask her to perform the fuckin song that treats rehab as a joke...the night she's getting the award?

When is enough enough?

And ultimately why SHOULDNT a former Music Industry junkie call that shit out.

Why, cause its been that way forever? Shit, racist-ass white presidents have been that way forever.

Maybe Im just feeling that CHANGE campaign slogan LOL but precedent never justifies itself.
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I see where you are coming from Dale, but I don't think she was taking the strong stance that you might be giving her the credit for. I really feel that if she cared about Winehouse's well-being that she would have reached out to her in private and offered her assistance, instead of taking a shot at her (or the industry ) on the red carpet. That wasn't the right time IMO. And i'm all for hope and removing racist ass white presidents...:lol:

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SWATLANTA said:
I see where you are coming from Dale, but I don't think she was taking the strong stance that you might be giving her the credit for. I really feel that if she cared about Winehouse's well-being that she would have reached out to her in private and offered her assistance, instead of taking a shot at her (or the industry ) on the red carpet. That wasn't the right time IMO. And i'm all for hope and removing racist ass white presidents...:lol:
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You know what Im the first one to complain about tactics like that. Excellent counterpoint. Hats off.

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But serious, fuck them crackas who sat up like...

"How can we top the Britney Controversy from the MTV Awards? :confused: Oh you know what would be FUNNY? If we had Amy Winehouse singing about rehab after months of tabloid headlines!! :yes: "
 
DaleMabry said:
You know what Im the first one to complain about tactics like that. Excellent counterpoint. Hats off.

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'Preciate it fam !! Much respect...:yes:



DaleMabry said:
But serious, fuck them crackas who sat up like...

"How can we top the Britney Controversy from the MTV Awards? :confused: Oh you know what would be FUNNY? If we had Amy Winehouse singing about rehab after months of tabloid headlines!! :yes: "
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^^Agree 100%^^

You know they were completely aware of the controversy her performance would stir up (especially after she wasn't released to come to the states), and the ratings boost that would follow. They know we love watching train wrecks...
 
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