NAACP: Vick Treatment A "Crime"

[QueEx]

<font size="5"><center>NAACP Leaders Urge Fairness for Vick</font size></center>

Georgia president of The National Association for the
Advancement of Colored People Edward Dubose, left,
speaks as Atlanta NAACP president R.L. White and
executive board member Dr. Martha Plowden, right,
look on during a news conference in Atlanta, Monday,
July 30, 2007. The NAACP is asking the public to withhold
judgment until all the facts come out in court in connection
with the federal dogfighting charges against Atlanta Falcons
quarterback Michael Vick. (AP Photo/John Bazemore)

Associated Press
ERRIN HAINES | July 30, 2007 04:50 PM EST

ATLANTA — NAACP leaders urged public restraint Monday in judging Michael Vick before he has his day in court.

R.L. White, president of the Atlanta chapter of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, said the Atlanta Falcons quarterback has been vilified by animal rights groups, talk radio and the news media and prematurely punished by his team and corporate sponsors.

"If Mr. Vick is guilty, he should pay for his crime, but to treat him as he is being treated now is also a crime," White said at a news conference. "Be restrained in your premature judgment until the legal process is completed."

Vick has pleaded not guilty to charges of sponsoring a dogfighting operation.

White plans to contact Vick to see what assistance the Atlanta NAACP chapter can offer. White predicted that public opinion may worsen in the wake of Taylor's plea deal.

Until then, he said he would keep an open mind and encouraged others to do the same.

Georgia NAACP President Edward Dubose thanked Vick for his community service and the money and excitement he has brought to Georgia as a Falcon. Dubose said Vick is being prosecuted in the court of public opinion before he has had a chance to defend himself.

"We're not condoning bad behavior, but Michael Vick is innocent until proven guilty," Dubose said.

Atlanta chapter member Bernadette Allen attended the news conference and also a rally Sunday to support Vick.

"The man is entitled to due process under the law, as is any citizen," Allen said.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20070730/fbn-vick-naacp/

 

[Fuckallyall]

Sort of like the way everybody witheld judgement for the Duke Lacrosse team ? GTFOH. This is a clear example of the hypocrisy within the NAACP, and why so many rank and file black folks don't want shit to do with them. All they are interested in is establishing and exploiting rich black folks. Period.

 

[REMINGTON_BLACK]

Hmmmm.....very interesting. I wonder what their true intentions are with the case.

 

[AtlSportsFan]

Hmmmm.....very interesting. I wonder what their true intentions are with the case.

True intentions?

Try this:

Their intentions are to try and MANUFACTURE THIS INTO A CASE OF RACISM AGAINST A RICH MOFO!

By doing this they are trying to send a message to Black People that if RICH BLACK PEOPLE are subject to RACISM, then ALL BLACK PEOPLE are subject to racism.

When this mindset is adopted by more Black People, then more Black People will JOIN OR CONTRIBUTE MONEY to the NAACP; this is their ultimate goal; MORE MONEY!

Every chance they get the NAACP tries to get Black People RILED UP into thinking that every INCIDENT is racism; and by "manufacturing" more "incidents" into RACISM; they can TRICK MORE BLACK PEOPLE OUT OF THEIR MONEY!

Mike Vick is one person!

Why won't the NAACP attack the HS dropout rate among black students nationwide, it currently stands at 50% (40% for blk. Females, and 60% for blk. Males)?

Getting more black students to NOT DROP OUT might help MILLIONS; but it won't get blacks riled up into JOINING or contributing more money.

THE NAACP WANTS TO PUT ON A "FRONT" THAT THEY ARE STILL RELEVANT, they do this by CHASING DOWN high profile cases like the OOKIE Dogfighting case!

 

[bromack1]

True intentions?

Try this:

Their intentions are to try and MANUFACTURE THIS INTO A CASE OF RACISM AGAINST A RICH MOFO!

By doing this they are trying to send a message to Black People that if RICH BLACK PEOPLE are subject to RACISM, then ALL BLACK PEOPLE are subject to racism.

When this mindset is adopted by more Black People, then more Black People will JOIN OR CONTRIBUTE MONEY to the NAACP; this is their ultimate goal; MORE MONEY!

Every chance they get the NAACP tries to get Black People RILED UP into thinking that every INCIDENT is racism; and by "manufacturing" more "incidents" into RACISM; they can TRICK MORE BLACK PEOPLE OUT OF THEIR MONEY!

Mike Vick is one person!

Why won't the NAACP attack the HS dropout rate among black students nationwide, it currently stands at 50% (40% for blk. Females, and 60% for blk. Males)?

Getting more black students to NOT DROP OUT might help MILLIONS; but it won't get blacks riled up into JOINING or contributing more money.

THE NAACP WANTS TO PUT ON A "FRONT" THAT THEY ARE STILL RELEVANT, they do this by CHASING DOWN high profile cases like the OOKIE Dogfighting case!

Yep.... I always wonder why so called black leaders support negative characters but are always absent on matters that could really benefit the black community.

 

[m10_v]

You can't pick and choose who gets equal treatment under the law. A serial killer is innocent untill the state can prove otherwise. Vick isn't a "negative character" untill it has been proven beyond a resonable doubt that he is.

 

[nittie]

Maybe the NAACP wants Blacks to see that Mike Vick is being publicly lynched and it's happening to the rest of us to. That's why a million black men are wasting away in prison, that's why so many black kids attend poor public schools and why so many black women are heads of household...racism is alive and well whats happening to Vick is just another chapter in a long, hateful story.

 

[AtlSportsFan]

Maybe the NAACP wants Blacks to see that Mike Vick is being publicly lynched and it's happening to the rest of us to. That's why a million black men are wasting away in prison, that's why so many black kids attend poor public schools and why so many black women are heads of household...racism is alive and well whats happening to Vick is just another chapter in a long, hateful story.

Geez!

How NAIVE you are!

OOKIE is not being publicly LYNCHED!

Thanks to his $130 Million Contract he can afford a VERY COMPETENT DEFENSE!

One of the reasons he has that $130 Mil Contract is because he was HYPED BY THE SAME MEDIA THAT BLACK PEOPLE NOW HATE because they are covering a Fed. Indictment of the most RECOGNIZABLE and highest paid player in the HISTORY OF THE SPORT!

Those million black men in prison:

I got news for you; a HUGE PERCENTAGE ARE THERE BECAUSE THEY BROKE THE LAW AND GOT CAUGHT!

999,000 of the million deserve to be there; and guess what; their VICTIMS were more than likely OTHER BLACK PEOPLE that did nothing to deserve being a VICTIM of these predators.

Those black children in poor schools:

More than likely they have BLACK teachers, BLACK Principals, and Black School Board members, and in some case they also have BLACK Superintendents; and damn near 100% of them have BLACK PARENT(s).

With all that obviously BLACK INFLUENCE listed above, the problems with black education can clearly be TRACED TO BLACK FOLKS!

Those Black Women that head households:

In most instances they were NEVER MARRIED; meaning they threw their legs open for a man that HAD NO INTENTION TO MARRY HER; when this happens you WILL in most instances, end up raising a child BY YOURSELF!

You say racism is alive and well; and there is DEFINITELY RACISM IN THIS WORLD; but those items you listed above are not the way THEY ARE because of "racism"; they are they way they are BECAUSE BLACK PEOPLE ALLOW THEM TO BE THAT WAY!

"Our" community standards are so LOW that we accept those things you listed above as NORMAL EVERYDAY BLACK EXISTENCE; this is SAD AS HELL, and racism is NOT A FACTOR.

OOKIE made stoopid choices, he put his head in the NOOSE; don't come screaming public lynching when ya' azz get caught doin' dirt!

 

[nittie]

Geez!

How NAIVE you are!

OOKIE is not being publicly LYNCHED!

Thanks to his $130 Million Contract he can afford a VERY COMPETENT DEFENSE!

One of the reasons he has that $130 Mil Contract is because he was HYPED BY THE SAME MEDIA THAT BLACK PEOPLE NOW HATE because they are covering a Fed. Indictment of the most RECOGNIZABLE and highest paid player in the HISTORY OF THE SPORT!

I'm naive? Sounds like you're doing some projecting here. Are we suppose to believe that 130 million can get him a fair trial after all the publicity this has gotten, cmon. The man is being tried and convicted on t.v everynight. Now the feds have another indictment waiting because they know he shouldn't get any time even if he's convicted on running a dog fighting organization.

Those million black men in prison:

I got news for you; a HUGE PERCENTAGE ARE THERE BECAUSE THEY BROKE THE LAW AND GOT CAUGHT!

999,000 of the million deserve to be there; and guess what; their VICTIMS were more than likely OTHER BLACK PEOPLE that did nothing to deserve being a VICTIM of these predators.

You're still being naive...Most of those people are in prison for non-violent drug offenses. Mandatory sentencing for having rock cocaine while powder cocaine possession only carries probation. Add that to the fact that CIA has admitted to planting the drugs in Black communities and you have a Black community being de-stablized and it's citizens imprisoned like we're some enemy government.

Those black children in poor schools:

More than likely they have BLACK teachers, BLACK Principals, and Black School Board members, and in some case they also have BLACK Superintendents; and damn near 100% of them have BLACK PARENT(s).

With all that obviously BLACK INFLUENCE listed above, the problems with black education can clearly be TRACED TO BLACK FOLKS

Am I wrong or didn't Brown vs Board of Education outlaw segregation in schools. If thats the case why are those Black kids still in all black public school systems. Because whites who can afford it send their kids to private schools basically undermining the education system.

Those Black Women that head households:

In most instances they were NEVER MARRIED; meaning they threw their legs open for a man that HAD NO INTENTION TO MARRY HER; when this happens you WILL in most instances, end up raising a child BY YOURSELF!

You say racism is alive and well; and there is DEFINITELY RACISM IN THIS WORLD; but those items you listed above are not the way THEY ARE because of "racism"; they are they way they are BECAUSE BLACK PEOPLE ALLOW THEM TO BE THAT WAY!

"Our" community standards are so LOW that we accept those things you listed above as NORMAL EVERYDAY BLACK EXISTENCE; this is SAD AS HELL, and racism is NOT A FACTOR.

OOKIE made stoopid choices, he put his head in the NOOSE; don't come screaming public lynching when ya' azz get caught doin' dirt!

You still don't get it. Most of those women go into destructive relationships because they and the men they deal with don't know anything about healthy relationships. Thats what happens when you subject people to 400 years of racism they develop self-destructive behavior.

 

[Osca Lee]

thats fucked up mf comment on his salary, is it a war against rich blacks or what.

Dayum Scooter can lie under oath and get a pardon, gonzales did the same but they stand by him while all this shit goes on in the white house we have dumb ass people who want to focus on a Black quarterback over a dog fight.

and all that talk about being honest and fair is pure bullshit, them mf lie all day, cheat, steal and kill. Black leaders my azz im my own mf black leader cause im will never settle for less or let anyone talk for me or express my views.......

Micheal Vick will never get a fair trial

 

[Fuckallyall]

to Nittie:

Stop your paranoia. Vick's jersey has been a top 10 seller of official jerseys from NFL.com. Who pays $250 for a jersey over the internet? White people. He had several endorsements. Who buys most of that high priced stuff? White people. He is not being "lynched". He is being vilified because he was involved in animal torture. He happened to torture the wrong animal. America loves dogs.

To Osca lee - good way of setting up an excuse for a likely guilty verdict. Vick will get a fair trial most likely. Question- have you, or anyone else on this board for that matter, actually served on a jury?

 

[GET YOU HOT]

Conspiracy cases are tough to beat. Its all about he say she say and times dates and circumstances. Not to tough to convict someone with those means. I say it will seriously weaken Vick's stardom. Kinda like putting a uppity nicca in check. So sad, that these heroes allow themselves to be wounded with death by association. I don't think he is 100% coupable, but he should have been more aware of happenings on his property...

 

[QueEx]

. . . Question- have you, or anyone else on this board for that matter, actually served on a jury?

Yep; on both sides. By far, more times on this side than the other.

Without question, as most prosecutors do, those in this case are wasting no time attempting to "poison the potential jury pool" with little leaks here and little leaks there. Prosecutors are in it to win, inspite of the common notion that it is the search for truth which is pre-imminent. Hence, they have no compunction about little leaks of evidence showing a defendants culpability - -but <u>never</u> leaks of exculpatory evidence.

Ordinarily, a lawyer tells his defendant-client from the time he gets involved to shut-the-fuck-up. Rarely does running off at the mouth help but nearly always give the prosecution something it doesn't have or know. However, in Vicks case, I'm not too surprised that he gave an interview the other day -- saying something in his behalf . . . because the potential jury pool is being given a heavy dose of cyanide by the prosecution.

Question: Can a defendant receive a fair trial when the jury pool is likely poisoned ???

QueEx

 

[VegasGuy]

Sort of like the way everybody witheld judgement for the Duke Lacrosse team ? GTFOH. This is a clear example of the hypocrisy within the NAACP, and why so many rank and file black folks don't want shit to do with them. All they are interested in is establishing and exploiting rich black folks. Period.

Can't argue with you there.

Vick is in some pretty tough shit right now and his lawyer should at least be looking for a way to mitigate the damages before the feds begin to read those "friends of the court" briefs from PeTA and whatever other whacked out animal rights group looking to advance their cause.

-VG

 

[Fuckallyall]

Yep; on both sides. By far, more times on this side than the other.

Without question, as most prosecutors do, those in this case are wasting no time attempting to "poison the potential jury pool" with little leaks here and little leaks there. Prosecutors are in it to win, inspite of the common notion that it is the search for truth which is pre-imminent. Hence, they have no compunction about little leaks of evidence showing a defendants culpability - -but <u>never</u> leaks of exculpatory evidence.

Ordinarily, a lawyer tells his defendant-client from the time he gets involved to shut-the-fuck-up. Rarely does running off at the mouth help but nearly always give the prosecution something it doesn't have or know. However, in Vicks case, I'm not too surprised that he gave an interview the other day -- saying something in his behalf . . . because the potential jury pool is being given a heavy dose of cyanide by the prosecution.

Question: Can a defendant receive a fair trial when the jury pool is likely poisoned ???

QueEx

Que, I have to disagree with the poisoning theory. I think it's just an overused defense attorney shibboleth for bad information on thier client. And, it's not like defense attorneys don't use leaks as well. I just don't think Vick's guys have any yet. Remember in the Duke case when the defense leaked the ATM photo ? It happens from both sides. And from my experience with juries, alot of that goes down the drain come trial time. Vick's attorneys will have much more influence over the jury pool than the prosecution.

 

[nittie]

to Nittie:

Stop your paranoia. Vick's jersey has been a top 10 seller of official jerseys from NFL.com. Who pays $250 for a jersey over the internet? White people. He had several endorsements. Who buys most of that high priced stuff? White people. He is not being "lynched". He is being vilified because he was involved in animal torture. He happened to torture the wrong animal. America loves dogs.

Sounds like you have already tried and convicted him and you can't portray vick's jersey sales as him being loved by whites if anything it shows their love for football heroes not vick personally.

 

[Fuckallyall]

to Nittie:

Stop your paranoia. Vick's jersey has been a top 10 seller of official jerseys from NFL.com. Who pays $250 for a jersey over the internet? White people. He had several endorsements. Who buys most of that high priced stuff? White people. He is not being "lynched". He is being vilified because he was involved in animal torture. He happened to torture the wrong animal. America loves dogs.

Sounds like you have already tried and convicted him and you can't portray vick's jersey sales as him being loved by whites if anything it shows their love for football heroes not vick personally.

The reason for my belief is not the media, but personal experinces. I know a couple of ex pro football players who knew what Vick was involved in. Many other professional athletes and rappers are involved in it too. Jay Z for example.
Also when I was younger, I helped breed Pitts, Rotties and Mastiffs. I saw who who bought and fought the dogs. I hated what they did, so I didn't help the guy out anymore. Just to show how old I am, I remmeber seeing Just-Ice and Eric B at a fight back before the earth cooled. Believe you me, homie, Vick's all over this one. Now, whether he owned the kennel and bankrolled the ops, that we'll have to see.

 

[Osca Lee]

I have served on several and the jurors who came in ready to convict had the same mind state as you. They worried more about the innocents until proven guilty assets and money or what kind of car he drives and how big his houses are.

Just because you claim you know people who informed you about what was going on make you just as guilty. You even stated you did the same thing back in the day, hell you go as far as even naming names.

Dont redirect the question about me serving on courts of any land because it dont mean shit-

 

[Fuckallyall]

I have served on several and the jurors who came in ready to convict had the same mind state as you. They worried more about the innocents until proven guilty assets and money or what kind of car he drives and how big his houses are.

Just because you claim you know people who informed you about what was going on make you just as guilty. You even stated you did the same thing back in the day, hell you go as far as even naming names.

Dont redirect the question about me serving on courts of any land because it dont mean shit-

First, thanks for finally answering the question, it does mean something. My experience has shown that most people have who have little knowledge about something often have doubts about its usefullness.

Second, dog fighting in the black community (as well as others) has been an open secret for years. That is why so much has happened with near impunity.

Third, when I have served, it was up to the those who were pressing the case to prove it. Unlike most on this board, I let the facts presented overcome personal beliefs. Most people act that way.

 

[bromack1]

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Second, dog fighting in the black community (as well as others) has been an open secret for years. That is why so much has happened with near impunity.

Third, when I have served, it was up to the those who were pressing the case to prove it. Unlike most on this board, I let the facts presented overcome personal beliefs. Most people act that way.

In all my years of being a "black man" and staying in black communities, I have seen drug dealers, bums, numbers runners, prostitutes, pimps, bootleggers and crack heads....

Never have I seen anything like dog fighting.....I've had neighbors who had loudmouthed dogs.... and I've even ran from a few.... but I have never seen dogfighting.....

Interestingly, I heard some white guy saying that same point you were trying to make.... Who made up the "excuse" that dog fighting is an open secret in the black community....

There is no "rational" explanation for Mr Vick engaging in such cheap, low life entertainmentr. Just like it makes no sense whatsoever to throw around close to $70,000 in cash (Pacman Jones) at a strip club and then have the stupidity to try and pick it all up. When I'm at a strip club, the only thing I'm thinkin about is gettin some pussy...the only gun I'm pullin out is my dick.... not a 9 mm.

Its no way in hell I would do anything stupid to jepordize a $130 million dollar contract to hang around low life people. Money and low life friends just don't mix no matter how hard you try to stir it.

Lets get back to basics by calling this type of behavior what it is.... just plain ol stupid.

 

[Profit]

In all my years of being a "black man" and staying in black communities, I have seen drug dealers, bums, numbers runners, prostitutes, pimps, bootleggers and crack heads....

Never have I seen anything like dog fighting.....I've had neighbors who had loudmouthed dogs.... and I've even ran from a few.... but I have never seen dogfighting.....

I noticed Atl in your location. Were you raised there? I ask because I'm from Savannah and pitbull fighting was quite common in black rural areas when I comining up. Same for my cousins in Mississippi and Alabama so I assumed it was that way in the South period. Just because you didn't know about it doesnt mean it didnt exisist. I think it's more of a back country thing as opposed to hood. You probably just didn't move in those circles. Still bad nonetheless and stupid on Vick's part. Most people I know grew out of shit like that after highschool.

Chappelles line "They neva shoulda gave you niggas money" could not be more appropiate than this situation.

 

[Jim_Browski]

Question: Can a defendant receive a fair trial when the jury pool is likely poisoned ???

No...but Vick should have known that something like this would happen and offered his co-defendants at least 3 mill a piece to take it on the chin for 5 years.

I hope thats what the remaining defendants are going to do. That would REALLY muddle the case up because it would seem that the feds have something fearsome one the snitch to make him just give up the tapes without any real pressure being applied....

My best wishes go out to Vick because if Ray Lewis can get off on a murder trial and all these prosecutors can eat meat, Mike Vick should be able to get off on a dog fighting case....

Eff the law...it's all about proportionality to me.

 

[cuznpete]

Vick Conspiracy

This shit has been weighing heavily on my mind so I jus t got to put this shit out there. Ya’ll can dispute this all you want to, as matter of fact I would love so feedback on this shit.

First off Mick Vick is guilty as hell, that’s not the issue here. The issue is who ratted Vick and why.

When this shit first kicked off they talked about how hard it was to catch people in the dog fighting ring. So this leads me to thing the Feds didn’t stumble on Vick’s house. They either needed a snitch/informant or someone that infiltrated the dog fight ring.

According to the indictment it started in early 2001…Vick was drafted in April 2001
This also leads me to think that think that they (Feds), according to the indictment, they should have known Vick was involved way back then. But the feds like to build up evidence to make their case stronger—so we will just say they just let this organization operate a kill dogs for the next 6 years… yea right! I think they didn’t know shit until this year.

According to the indictment Vick and the others started a dog fighting business in early 2002 with shirts and headbands to promote their business. This leads me to think that if someone seeing this in the Falcon organization would ask THE question… Someone in the Falcon camp knew what Vick was into but kept it quiet

Vick has been through 3 coaches all the while gaining popularity in Atlanta. Vick was a god in Atlanta. They could never trade him without the city of Atlanta damn near boycotting the games. After three coaches the organization had to try something different and that was to get rid of Vick. But how?
Dan reeves became a talent consultant for the Houston Texans… guess where Matt Schaub is right now. To divert blame from the Falcon organization they traded Schuab before they dimmed Vick. I say this because those dumbass Vick fans would have said they got rid of Vick to put the white boy at quarterback. Shockley did not and will not ever get a start in Atlanta because he mirrors Vick style which is what they want to get away from. He was signed only because he was a Georgia boy that would bring in patrons.

As good as Schaub is why did the falcons traded him? If Vick go hurt Schaubs was the perfect back up. Remember Shockley got NO play time the whole season last year. Even in the last game of the season. The game meant nothing and they were clearly losing but Vick started and would have finished a meaningless game if he didn’t almost get his leg broke.

Another thing that makes me raise the bullshit flag is that in the whole United States this is the only federal dog fighting case. If there are more it’s not getting any coverage, why because it’s too secretive. Ask yourself how many people you heard talk about fighting dog. We know it goes on but you have to be in the know to get into it.

I say Jim Mora is a likely candidate of who dimmed Vick if not him then it was definitely someone in the Falcon camp. Ya’ll holla back and let me know what you think.

 

[TonguedawgQue]

Re: Vick Conspiracy

This is not by far the only federal dog fighting case. The question you should ask your self is how many federal cases do you read about in the local and national newspapers? Most federal cases don't get get the kind of coverage that is being applied to the M.V. case. The only reason this is getting some press is because...

#1. He is professional athlete (Don't get is twisted there are many professional athletes current and former that have had state and federal cases brought against them, but none with the current status of M.V.)


The dog fighting is not the big issue for M.V. right now. That carries a jail sentence of only 1 yr in jail. It is gambling and conspriacy that is the big thing which carries and sentence of 5 yrs. In order for M.V. not be convicted of the conspriacy charge he would have to have done the following:

1. Renouced his activity to the persons with whom he was involved in the alleged conspriacy. The other participants (either known or assumed) must know that he is renoucing the involvement.

2. He must notify the police of the ongoing criminal activities and assist them in thrawting the activities of the others.


I am explaing it this way because that is how I had to learn it. I just finished law school two years ago.

The feds are probably going to attach RICO charges on him because the activity it was organized. The federal governement can go at you a lot of ways.

 

[Temujin]

Re: Vick Conspiracy

From what I've read about the history of the case Vicks house came under scrutiny when his cousin used the address as his place of residence when he got arrested on drug charges. The Virginia police searched the house presumably based on his cousins drug charges found the dog fighting equipment and then contacted the Feds. The feds searched the house found the equipment and then started pressuring informants.

Secondly from what I understand the felony dogfighting charge was a new law. Bush just signed the bill this year that turned what Vick is accused of from a misdemeanor to a felony.

I don't think this was an ongoing thing that alot of people knew about. As you stated dogfighting is a very secretive pursuit but dog breeding is not. Everyone could have known Vick breed dogs and not blinked an eye. If Vick does get out of it I think it will be based on the defense that he was engaged in a legal dog breeding business and the dog fighting was an illegal activity beyond his knowledge. From what I understand the only physical evidence can be innocently explained through the dog breeding the only thing Vick has to fight is the witness evidence which will probably be the crux of the case.

Also renouncing a criminal conspiracy is not effective against acts already commited and you never have a legal obligation to inform the police of anything unless you have a duty to do so.