Music Head Explain what is going on in this Day 26 Song
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He's mixing it?
The instruments and vocals are all seperate peices of the puzzle. What you hear at the end is the finished product. Kind of like painting a picture.
He's mixing it?
The instruments and vocals are all seperate peices of the puzzle. What you hear at the end is the finished product. Kind of like painting a picture.
Re: Music Heads Explain what is going on in this Day 26 Song
I did not know that vocals and music was recorded on separate pieces.How does one learn something like that. That looks complicated. How does he know what button to pushHe's mixing it?
The instruments and vocals are all seperate peices of the puzzle. What you hear at the end is the finished product. Kind of like painting a picture.
Re: Music Heads Explain what is going on in this Day 26 Song
Each "row" of knobs is called a track. Tracks are recorded separate. Like you start with the drums. There is the kick, the snare and the hi-hat. That's three tracks. At the front he is mixing the kick track and trying to figure out how he wants it to sound.
So if you have an MPC and you have those three tracks they are routed to one of those "rows" on the machine. Then the bass line, then the keyboard, etc, etc...
So when you sing like Day 26 does they could go in there and sing all in one mic which happens sometimes but usually you will send one guy in there to sing his part all the way through and then the next and then the next.
It's really kind of a simple thing when you think about it. It's like connect the dots. Then at the end the "mixer" will take all of those tracks and make them sound like one.
I did not know that vocals and music was recorded on separate pieces.How does one learn something like that. That looks complicated. How does he know what button to push
Each "row" of knobs is called a track. Tracks are recorded separate. Like you start with the drums. There is the kick, the snare and the hi-hat. That's three tracks. At the front he is mixing the kick track and trying to figure out how he wants it to sound.
So if you have an MPC and you have those three tracks they are routed to one of those "rows" on the machine. Then the bass line, then the keyboard, etc, etc...
So when you sing like Day 26 does they could go in there and sing all in one mic which happens sometimes but usually you will send one guy in there to sing his part all the way through and then the next and then the next.
It's really kind of a simple thing when you think about it. It's like connect the dots. Then at the end the "mixer" will take all of those tracks and make them sound like one.
Re: Music Heads Explain what is going on in this Day 26 Song
only watched a couple secs but seems like you talkin about the sound engineer. basically he just compiles all the parts, makes sure the levels (volume) match all around and does the little stuff the make it sound really good that the avg person probably doesn't know is being done.
if you go to the producer section, i'm sure they could break it down much better what he does. i know many ppl go to college to learn that stuff, sure there are ways to do it w/o school though
edit: or like what said above, nice explination Andeyhollawho
only watched a couple secs but seems like you talkin about the sound engineer. basically he just compiles all the parts, makes sure the levels (volume) match all around and does the little stuff the make it sound really good that the avg person probably doesn't know is being done.
if you go to the producer section, i'm sure they could break it down much better what he does. i know many ppl go to college to learn that stuff, sure there are ways to do it w/o school though
edit: or like what said above, nice explination Andeyhollawho
Anything hip-hop from the 80's are bad engineered tracks!
You don't get much of that today if it's major releases. I'll try to think of a few.
The thing about a good mix is that you can't tell one thing from the other. Nothing sticks out. If you listen to a track and you turn it up and the bass drum sticks out like a mutha then the track is not mixed right.
Or if you turn it up and you hear all of the high hats and snares but you can't hear the drums it's not mixed right. I'll find you a few examples but most of the "unreleased" tracks that you hear are not mixed. Mixing costs a lot of money.
oh damn no I get what you are saying. I have got that from time to time..Turn up a song and that shit sounded crazyAnything hip-hop from the 80's are bad engineered tracks!
You don't get much of that today if it's major releases. I'll try to think of a few.
The thing about a good mix is that you can't tell one thing from the other. Nothing sticks out. If you listen to a track and you turn it up and the bass drum sticks out like a mutha then the track is not mixed right.
I'll find you a few examples but most of the "unreleased" tracks that you hear are not mixed. Mixing costs a lot of money.
Aight here is a Prince track. Prince mix his music to the damn T.
If you turn this up as loud as you can on whatever you play it will sound like everything gets louder at the same time. That is a good mix. Nothing will ever sound louder or weaker than anything else.
If you turn this up as loud as you can on whatever you play it will sound like everything gets louder at the same time. That is a good mix. Nothing will ever sound louder or weaker than anything else.
Here's an example of a good album mix gone bad.
This is really clear and really even but the whole album was engineered REAL LOUD! So even if you turn it down low it still sound loud. But clear as hell and even...just too loud. Whole album is like that.
This is really clear and really even but the whole album was engineered REAL LOUD!
So even if you turn it down low it still sound loud. But clear as hell and even...just too loud. Whole album is like that.
Yal BGOL brothas won't let Soulja Boy get any wins on this board...
oh shit! I can see what you are sayingHere's an example of a good album mix gone bad.
This is really clear and really even but the whole album was engineered REAL LOUD!
Yal BGOL brothas won't let Soulja Boy get any wins on this board...
Nah they won't!
As far as mixing go if you ever heard that Crank That song on the radio before Collipark got Soulja Boy signed and "remastered" that song that shit was the worst mix ever!
Soulja Boy did it on Fruity Loops and that shit was just WILD fucked up!
Nah they won't!
As far as mixing go if you ever heard that Crank That song on the radio before Collipark got Soulja Boy signed and "remastered" that song that shit was the worst mix ever!
Soulja Boy did it on Fruity Loops and that shit was just WILD fucked up!
for real?
why do i have the feelin that you could probably hear it clipping and shit
for real?
Hell yeah!
The drums bottomed out. And they was loud and flat as hell. YOu couldn't hear the damn snare at all. You know when they scream Ohhhh on the hook...You couldn't even hear the next three words on that shit!
Soulja Boy up in this Ohhhhhhhhhh crank and watch me ohhhhhhh in this thing now superman that ohhhhhhhhh!!!
That shit was AWFUL!!! It sounded like when the DJ be on live remote inside the club and he be on the mic talking...
Hell yeah!
The drums bottomed out. And they was loud and flat as hell. YOu couldn't hear the damn snare at all. You know when they scream Ohhhh on the hook...You couldn't even hear the next three words on that shit!
Soulja Boy up in this Ohhhhhhhhhh crank and watch me ohhhhhhh in this thing now superman that ohhhhhhhhh!!!
That shit was AWFUL!!! It sounded like when the DJ be on live remote inside the club and he be on the mic talking...
damn
Aight here go a bad mix...
If you listen to this one...classic song but if you listen to that Mobb Deep song and then you listen to this one you can see the difference. The music fades in and out every time Rakim raps. Like listen to it when he is actually talking and when he stops to take a breath.
And you can tell it's not very clear at all.
If you listen to this one...classic song but if you listen to that Mobb Deep song and then you listen to this one you can see the difference. The music fades in and out every time Rakim raps. Like listen to it when he is actually talking and when he stops to take a breath.
And you can tell it's not very clear at all.
Here's an example of a good album mix gone bad.
This is really clear and really even but the whole album was engineered REAL LOUD!
I LITERALLY SAT HERE AND SANG THIS SONG WORD FOR WORD....GREAT POST!!
Fuck that! I'll take those "bad" mixes from back then all damn day next to these
over produced over mixed electronic sounding no heart no warmth bullshit releases
these days. Every spoil is a style, and tracks need a lil dirt in em so they crunch right.
love my old records.
over produced over mixed electronic sounding no heart no warmth bullshit releases
these days. Every spoil is a style, and tracks need a lil dirt in em so they crunch right.
love my old records.
Oh me too Ten. Not talking about those. I'm talking about the hip-hop stuff really. You know it was hook up an MPC on one track and a turntable on the other track and there you go. Grab a mic and record it all in one take and you good back in the 80's and early 90's!
But like I said people who played instruments (like Prince) were always good at getting good mixes.
Yeah mixing is a very underrated step in making good music, it takes a very good and keen ear for frequencies, clarity, and volume levels.
Thats part of the drawback to DAWS being so accessible now, most people don't have the know how to mix well and in a lot of cases the budget to get their project mixed well. Also most artist (if they stay on top of their contract and have good management and a lawyer) try to find corners to cut in production costs to be able to keep more money in pocket. The dude who does our mixing has years of experience under his belt and it's amazing to see him spend 4+ hours mixing 4 1/2 minutes worth of music.
Thats part of the drawback to DAWS being so accessible now, most people don't have the know how to mix well and in a lot of cases the budget to get their project mixed well. Also most artist (if they stay on top of their contract and have good management and a lawyer) try to find corners to cut in production costs to be able to keep more money in pocket. The dude who does our mixing has years of experience under his belt and it's amazing to see him spend 4+ hours mixing 4 1/2 minutes worth of music.
Oh me too Ten. Not talking about those. I'm talking about the hip-hop stuff really. You know it was hook up an MPC on one track and a turntable on the other track and there you go. Grab a mic and record it all in one take and you good back in the 80's and early 90's!
But like I said people who played instruments (like Prince) were always good at getting good mixes.
i see it as, if you play instruments (especially in a band or past band experience) you have to listen to all the parts. so you would know what each part is doing, what it should do, and how it works with everything overall. with hip hop then (assuming) it was just let me catch the beat, ok here is my rhyme over it.
Depends if the MC is content just being and MC or really has a desire to be a musician.
word bro i cosign 100%
pro-tools and the digital recording has taken alot of the soul out of music
then again you gotta remember back when parliment started out in the early 70s they had some rinky dink equipment and sound system, but then when they started opening up for the rock band mc5 and they used there new equipment that took there sound to a new direction, they had the skills before that tho
back in the day cats would flip the 4 track tascam better than people these days on pro-tools with unlimited digital tracks, nowadays cats start out with everything from the start to make music top of the line equipment, youtube tutorials you name it and there music still be wack
that's the question, how many MCs desire to be musicians rather than just MCs?
At my old job we had a 2002 Sony Oxford board... Studio heads will know what this is, and a full suite of pro tools and every filter known to man.
I would look at that shit and get dizzy with all the knobs and buttons and computer controls.
For shits and giggles, my man put me in studio to do a reference jingle and sweeper and then mixed the shit down and threw some filters and played with the pitch and tempo on it.
I sounded just like fucking Barry White with the damn New York Philharmonic behind me!
Then some more trickery and I sounded like a Maxwell.esque falsetto.
Then some more trickery and I had the whole T Pain, thing happening with my natural voice.
I would look at that shit and get dizzy with all the knobs and buttons and computer controls.
For shits and giggles, my man put me in studio to do a reference jingle and sweeper and then mixed the shit down and threw some filters and played with the pitch and tempo on it.
I sounded just like fucking Barry White with the damn New York Philharmonic behind me!
Then some more trickery and I sounded like a Maxwell.esque falsetto.
Then some more trickery and I had the whole T Pain, thing happening with my natural voice.
Great Post!!!
Aight here go a bad mix...
If you listen to this one...classic song but if you listen to that Mobb Deep song and then you listen to this one you can see the difference. The music fades in and out every time Rakim raps. Like listen to it when he is actually talking and when he stops to take a breath.
And you can tell it's not very clear at all.
This was that "sound" back then fam, I know it sounds shitty when analyzed now. I compare it to the whole "motown sound" phenom, just something about the production of these old school joints that gave them that edge. I get your point totally however...
Just goes to show how important the engineer actually is in monaural mixing. Jazz heads know about Rudy Van Gelder who recorded and mastered virtually all of Blue Note records performers in the 50s and 60s.
His "sound" was and remains sheer perfection.
His "sound" was and remains sheer perfection.
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