Mike Pettine: Russell Wilson not quite among top tier of QBs

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Drew Brees hasn't been elite in a while and his stats this year are inflated because of one 7 TD game against the Giants.. he's been an average QB this year.. gtfohc

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/1...-wilson-seattle-seahawks-top-tier-quarterback

Cleveland Browns coach Mike Pettine doesn't consider Russell Wilson of the Seattle Seahawks among the top three or four quarterbacks in the NFL.

He does, however, put him in the next group.

"Would you put him there with the guys that can transcend their supporting cast? The [Tom] Bradys, whether it's Aaron Rodgers, [Drew] Brees, [Ben] Roethlisberger, the ones that you would consider the two, three, four elite guys? No. But he's certainly played himself into that next tier," Pettine said Wednesday.

The Browns travel to Seattle on Sunday to play a team that has been carried by Wilson over the past four weeks. In those four games, Wilson has a passer rating of 145.9, with 16 touchdowns and zero interceptions.

"I don't worry about that," said Wilson when asked about Pettine's comments. "I think it comes down to winning games ... that's the only thing I care about."

Wilson's career passer rating is 101.3, and his 44 regular-season wins match Ravens quarterback Joe Flacco as the most to start an NFL career. He's also won a Super Bowl and played in another.

"He plays at a high level, he's very productive and they win," Pettine said. "Now a lot of that I think is a function, too, is he's the perfect quarterback for what they do. To me it goes both ways. They've also built it around him."

Pettine also was asked to compare Wilson and his own quarterback, Johnny Manziel.

"I think the first [thing] is the experience level," Pettine said. "Wilson has been in the league longer and has been in the system longer and just has played more ... I don't know how many starts he has total compared to the five that Johnny has.

"You can certainly see the similarities. They've done a nice job up there kind of building the package around him. He's more of a runner than we see in Johnny. I'm talking about called quarterback runs. Do we have some zone read stuff and putting the QB on the move? We do that, but [Wilson's] I think thicker built and can withstand some of the shots in the run game more so than we would want to expose Johnny to.

"Johnny will get his rushing yards when the pocket breaks down and he has to get out. That's where Wilson's done a good job as well, when he's been forced to get out of the pocket he's a threat to scramble for the first down.

"But I think where his game has really taken off is his eyes are down the field more so now. He's made a lot of big plays with throws on the run."
 
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He won 1 Superbowl and almost won another last year.......SO whats the issue Mike Pettine????
 
Did he not draft Johnny Manziel?

Russell may not be top 3 right now, but he's definitely in the top 5-10, in no specific order.
 
experience my ass.

Wislon started 16 games his rookie year and if Johnny Football has only started 5 then you have your answer right there....No comparrison

GP CMP ATT CMP% YDS AVG TD LNG INT FUM QBR RAT
2012
16 252 393 64.1 3,118 7.93 26 67 10 3 72.5 100.0
 
Did he not draft Johnny Manziel?

Russell may not be top 3 right now, but he's definitely in the top 5-10, in no specific order.


Even,though I find Mike Pettine's comment stupid as fuck...it was the owner who drafted Manziel.......With that said,he's done in Cleveland and Seattle is going to smash on the Browns on Sunday.
 
Did he not draft Johnny Manziel?

Russell may not be top 3 right now, but he's definitely in the top 5-10, in no specific order.
He didn't want Manziel and doesn't like him, similar to RG3 and his coaches only difference is well i think you know the difference.


Also Arron Rodgers has been just OK with below average receiver really no better than Riseel or Can.

Also as right now the best three QB are Wilson Cam Big Ben
 
Cool, don't really follow the Browns. Didn't know that Manziel was forced on Pettine.
 
Cool, don't really follow the Browns. Didn't know that Manziel was forced on Pettine.


Pettine and the GM wanted Derek Carr or Teddy Bridgewater,really Derek Carr,but the owner wanted headlines,so he overruled them both and force them to get Manziel
 
He didn't want Manziel and doesn't like him, similar to RG3 and his coaches only difference is well i think you know the difference.


Also Arron Rodgers has been just OK with below average receiver really no better than Riseel or Can.

Also as right now the best three QB are Wilson Cam Big Ben

Yeah, he hates Manziel. The Browns are so fucking dysfunctional.

As for Russ, he is going through the same thing Ben went through for years. No respect. Ben is just now getting mentioned with Brady. I can't recall how many 'experts' always placed Ben below Brady, Manning, Rodgers, and Brees.
 
Russell Wilson currently leads the NFL in passer rating. If he were white itd be ok to call him "elite"

Really when you sit back and look at his numbers this year along with his career numbers and what he has accomplished in his career so far there is no reason not to call him elite other than the fact he is black
 
Isn't Pete Carrol a players coach (as in lets run up the score on these losers)?
 
You guys are overracting to his comments.

Post your top ten QBs right now and you will see that you actually agree with him.

Real talk. Here is mine.

Brady
Rothliesburger
Palmer
Newton
Rodgers
Wilson
Romo (healthy)
Manning (Eli)
Rivers
Stafford
 
You guys are overracting to his comments.

Post your top ten QBs right now and you will see that you actually agree with him.

Real talk. Here is mine.

Brady
Rothliesburger
Palmer
Newton
Rodgers
Wilson
Romo (healthy)
Manning (Eli)
Rivers
Stafford

No way do I agree with your list...but to be clear is this career or this season ? ..either way you answer I don't agree with your list
 
Really when you sit back and look at his numbers this year along with his career numbers and what he has accomplished in his career so far there is no reason not to call him elite other than the fact he is black

He's only able to do what he does because he has Lynch behind him.....oh wait
 
No way do I agree with your list...but to be clear is this career or this season ? ..either way you answer I don't agree with your list

My list is based on today bruh. You dont have to agree with my list, its just off the top of my head, but you should post your list.
 
You guys are overracting to his comments.

Post your top ten QBs right now and you will see that you actually agree with him.

Real talk. Here is mine.

Brady
Rothliesburger
Palmer
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What has Palmer ever done over his career to even be mentioned with Wilson? And Arizona has had really good defenses and all type of talent. What has he done with it? What big game has he won over this career? He's been in the league more than twice as long as Russell too..

Put Carson on the Seahawks and I bet they never get to .500 and he wouldnt even make it through the season with that OL. Put Russell on the Cardinals and nothing changes... they probably get better. He's throwing to way superior talent in Arizona and has much better offensive talent.. OL is not even comparable since Arizona's OL is way better.
 
What has Palmer ever done over his career to even be mentioned with Wilson? And Arizona has has really good defenses and all type of talent. What has he done with it? What big game has he won over this career? He's been in the league more than twice as long as Russell too..

My list is based on right now. Who is playing the position at the highest level right now. Thats all Im saying. Notice that i dont have Peyton or Brees on my list.

Also, im not dissing Wilson. Im just saying he is right outside my top 5. I think theres a gap after my top 4 and the rest actually.
 
They were saying this about him the first super bowl run. It was the defense of the Seahawks that carried them more than it was Russell as QB.

Russell has seen steady improvement since the first two Super Bowls and now even this season he is still making improvement. Can't take it away from him that he is definitely a top 10 QB in the league. Two super bowl appearances back to back I think it's ok to call him an elite QB.
 
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You guys are overracting to his comments.

Post your top ten QBs right now and you will see that you actually agree with him.

Real talk. Here is mine.

Brady
Rothliesburger
Palmer
Newton
Rodgers
Wilson
Romo (healthy)
Manning (Eli)
Rivers
Stafford

No Flacco? No Brees?
 
Yeah, he hates Manziel. The Browns are so fucking dysfunctional.

As for Russ, he is going through the same thing Ben went through for years. No respect. Ben is just now getting mentioned with Brady. I can't recall how many 'experts' always placed Ben below Brady, Manning, Rodgers, and Brees.

Man he still doesn't get put in the Top 3 three its always Brady Rodgers Brees.....
My list is based on right now. Who is playing the position at the highest level right now. Thats all Im saying. Notice that i dont have Peyton or Brees on my list.

Also, im not dissing Wilson. Im just saying he is right outside my top 5. I think theres a gap after my top 4 and the rest actually.
Well how do you have Rodgers over

People don't realize the talent level Russell is playing with. 2 undrafted receivers who are at best number 3 options on good teams, and rookie wide receiver who was drafted in the 3rd round. When Arron Rodgers has the same talent level you see how his numbers drop. Russel is doing shit even Rodgers hasn't done with the same level of talent and Palmer has the best talent on Offense besides Big Ben and His numbers aren't vastly greater than Wilsons.
 
Right now though? Russell has statistically had the best 4-game run in NFL history for a QB

Yup. That's why I ranked him where did. I still feel that the QBs I put ahead of him are better. Before his crazy run he wasn't exactly lighting it up either.
 
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Yup. That's why I ranked him where did. I still feel that the QBs I put ahead of him are better.
Man he still doesn't get put in the Top 3 three its always Brady Rodgers Brees.....

Well how do you have Rodgers over

People don't realize the talent level Russell is playing with. 2 undrafted receivers who are at best number 3 options on good teams, and rookie wide receiver who was drafted in the 3rd round. When Arron Rodgers has the same talent level you see how his numbers drop. Russel is doing shit even Rodgers hasn't done with the same level of talent and Palmer has the best talent on Offense besides Big Ben and His numbers aren't vastly greater than Wilsons.


There's always different factors. Big Ben has been injured. Rodgers has slow receivers. Cam has a great running game... Im only trying to project what happens with all things being equal.
 
Yup. That's why I ranked him where did. I still feel that the QBs I put ahead of him are better. Before his crazy run he wasn't exactly lighting it up either.
That's an OL issue and WR corps issue. He has two WRs that were undrafted and his OL was ranked 2nd to last in the league and been without beast mode. That's why I mentioned Palmer would likely be on IR if he was the Seattle QB
 
There's always different factors. Big Ben has been injured. Rodgers has slow receivers. Cam has a great running game... Im only trying to project what happens with all things being equal.

Man. GTFHO. Cam is the second leading rusher by yardage and leads his team in Rushing TDs. he actually has a higher per/rush average than Stewart. Panthers have a great rushing game because of Cam. Stewart is not a great RB and neither is the Carolina OL great. They actually came into the season ranked below average (22nd).. it's just Cam making them look better than what they are.
 
That's an OL issue and WR corps issue. He has two WRs that were undrafted and his OL was ranked 2nd to last in the league and been without beast mode. That's why I mentioned Palmer would likely be on IR if he was the Seattle QB

Yes Palmer would be done for if he played behind that o-line. I agree with that.

You know it's funny when we talk about undrafted players, rookies and whatever, Lockett has been everything and more that Harvin was supposed to be.
 
Man. GTFHO. Cam is the second leading rusher by yardage and leads his team in Rushing TDs. he actually has a higher per/rush average than Stewart. Panthers have a great rushing game because of Cam. Stewart is not a great RB and neither is the Carolina OL great. They actually came into the season ranked below average (22nd).. it's just Cam making them look better than what they are.

This is why Cam needs this to be the year. He isn't go to last long with the punishment he is exposed to. Yes, he is big, but hits take their toll.
 
Dat pussy will be fired by season's end so who gives a fuck what he thinks.

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Man. GTFHO. Cam is the second leading rusher by yardage and leads his team in Rushing TDs. he actually has a higher per/rush average than Stewart. Panthers have a great rushing game because of Cam. Stewart is not a great RB and neither is the Carolina OL great. They actually came into the season ranked below average (22nd).. it's just Cam making them look better than what they are.

Cam is part of the running game and Stewart isn't great but yes as a team they do have a great running game and the o-line is built to run block.

They are 2nd in rush yards per game and 25th in pass yards per game. Cam is 19th in pass attempts.
 
Yes Palmer would be done for if he played behind that o-line. I agree with that.

You know it's funny when we talk about undrafted players, rookies and whatever, Lockett has been everything and more that Harvin was supposed to be.

Harvin is just made of glass... damn shame.. lots of talent but he has to rank up there with one of the most brittle players in history.. he's ALWAYs hurt...when was the last time he's really been healthy?
 
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