Michael Strahan or Charles Haley
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Yea he should've been first ballot ATLEAST. His impact on defenses got the Cowboys and 9ers rings. Granted, those teams were stacked but his impact was felt on both of those teams. For Strahan to get in 1st ballot and Haley to be struggling to get in? Its a travesty and its the media trying to get him back for the years he shitted on them. They really need to get unbiased voters.
they're rubbing it in Haley's face by going with Mr Popularity on first ballot. Strahan had 4 great years numbers wise but his teams never won a damn thing.
He got that ring at the end of his career that probably sealed his fate. But I agree. They're rubbing it in Haley's face. He showed his ass in those 90's years and its coming back to bite him. These guys always hold grudges and they can't take his money from him or do nothing to him physically so this is their only avenue to get him back.
Easily Charles Haley
Haley
Good article of some of the reasons he's not in the Hall
http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/dallas-cowboys/headlines/20100102-With-therapy-grit-ex-2899.ece
Good article of some of the reasons he's not in the Hall
http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/dallas-cowboys/headlines/20100102-With-therapy-grit-ex-2899.ece
Haley.
Strahan is grossly overrated. Was never the best at his position, and only had 3 great seasons and had more than few mediocre ones mixed in. He also played the left side most of his career. Haley could stand up, put his hand in the dirt, and was effective on both sides.
Strahan is grossly overrated. Was never the best at his position, and only had 3 great seasons and had more than few mediocre ones mixed in. He also played the left side most of his career. Haley could stand up, put his hand in the dirt, and was effective on both sides.
Charles Haley rubbed too many people the wrong way..
Some people simply refuse to vote for him
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Best-selling author and liberal Jew from New York Jeff Pearlman has a new book on the 1990s Cowboys that comes out today (Buy it here). Now, you probably already know that this book has already given us the profound gift that is Charles Haley masturbating in front of teammates. A little meet and skeet, if you will. Ah, but that is merely one of the many juicy tidbits that litter Pearlman’s book, which reads like a virtual “Hammer Of The Gods” for football.
For instance, there’s the fact that Michael Irvin, in addition to being a cokehead, a philanderer, and a selfish prick, is also an… how does one put this? Oh yes… AN ATTEMPTED FUCKING MURDERER. See now, I had remembered long ago that Irvin had gotten into a fight with teammate Everett McIver, but I had forgotten about this tidbit of information:
Irvin grabbed a pair of scissors, whipped back his right arm, and slashed McIver across the neck… inches from the carotid artery.
What was McIver’s transgression? He wouldn’t get out of the team’s barbershop chair when Irvin showed up for a haircut. When Irvin showed up and saw McIver getting his hair cut, he screamed: “Seniority! Seniority! Seniority! Punk, get the fuck out of my chair!” When McIver refused, the two got into a fistfight, which then led to Irvin STABBING HIM IN THE NECK WITH SCISSORS. Irvin then paid McIver off for six figures, charges were never filed, and the team tried to bury the story (They were not very successful in this regard).
So, yeah, there’s a Hall of Famer for you. Pearlman has a knack for getting great stories from everyone surrounding the team. The book is packed top to bottom with tales of players fucking, fighting, or doing drugs. And that’s the hallmark of any classic book, as far as I’m concerned. I know that’s all I ever want to read about.
As Pearlman tells the tale of the team, from Jimmy Johnson’s hiring all the way through to the end of the Switzer era, it became clear to me that a team like this simply doesn’t exist anymore. It can’t. As the NFL has become a corporate monolith, and as the Internet has taken over the way NFL news is both created and digested, the idea that a football team can get away with everything depicted in Pearlman’s book is now laughable.
Those 1990’s Cowboys represented the end of an era, an era that had no salary cap, an era where players (and coaches) could party all the time and still win multiple titles. There’s a tone of wistfulness here, the idea that this was the end of true old time football, and that the NFL has lost a bit of its soul in the ensuing years as it has grown bigger and bigger.
Just as real rock stars don’t walk the earth anymore, NFL players are now packaged and micromanaged to the point where they aren’t allowed to be the gloriously flawed people that fans, against all rationality, grow to love. In some ways, that’s tragic. In other ways, Michael Irvin STABBED A FUCKING GUY IN THE NECK WITH SCISSORS. So I suppose you take the good with the bad.
Some more fascinating tidbits:
-Charles Haley once cut a hole in the roof of Tim Harris’ BMW and pissed onto the steering wheel. This story made me happy, because as a Vikings fan I fucking hated Tim Harris.
-Once in a team meeting, Haley came back from the bathroom, pulled down his shorts, wiped his ass, and threw his poopy toilet paper at 49ers linebacker coach John Marshall.
-During another team meeting, Haley whispered to teammate Scott Case, “Scott, turn around, I gotta show you something… Scott, dammit, turn around! You need to see this!” When Case turned around, according to Pearlman, he “saw Haley’s erect penis stretched across the desk.”
-The Cowboys often held position meetings at strip clubs.
-Michael Irvin financed a Cowboys charity basketball team called the Hoopsters that had its own private plane, which was mostly used to hold airborne orgies, with Irvin dictating who should be fucking who. “There was nothing Mike couldn’t think of,” said his assistant. “He had quite the imagination.”
-Irvin also charged huge personal appearance fees for the Hoopsters to show up at events. In one case, he charged the Little Dribblers of Fairfield Texas $5,600 to appear, then RAISED the fee, then failed to show up and refused to refund the original money after the organizer balked at paying the increased charge. Irvin also slugged a volunteer ref during one of the team’s games.
-The Cowboys gave specific instructions to American Airlines to only hire beautiful attendants for their charter flights, and kept a book with photos and measurements of the best-looking stewardesses.
-One Christmas, Emmitt Smith gave teammates copies of his own autobiography as a gift.
-When he was very young, Barry Switzer’s mother committed suicide in front of him. Even worse, she did it just after Switzer had bravely (and quite eloquently) confronted her about her alcoholism. And if you can’t feel for Switzer after reading the whole story, I don’t really want to know you.
-Nate Newton once hid a Snickers bar in his uniform, which then flew out during a game. Afterwards, cornerback Larry Brown was heard to remark, “Did a damn candy bar just fly from Nate’s body, or am I imagining things?”
-Jerry Jones routinely cheated on his wife with a Texas Stadium Corp employee named Susan Skaggs, often using the team plane to do so. (What is it with the Cowboys and fucking in the sky?) Jones’ pilot said, “We could feel the airplane moving and shaking. It didn’t move and shake that long.” WOO HOO!!! YOU AIN’T EVER HAD LOVIN’ LIKE THE OL’ DOUBLE-J! Excuse me for moment. I now have motion sickness.
-Switzer fucked the wife of player personnel head Larry Lacewell. And Lacewell wasn’t even mad about it.
And now some money quotes:
Haley to Steve Young in the locker room after a 49ers loss: “I could have fucking won that game in my sleep! You’re a motherfucking pussy faggot quarterback! A motherfucking pussy faggot quarterback with no balls!” You know, I used to say the EXACT same things about that guy!
James Washington on Jim Everett: “Yeah, I would smash Jim Everett when I wasn’t supposed to, but I thought the bitch was a punk.”
Washington: “A lot of were addicted to it… to the pussy.” Well, who can blame anyone for pussyholism?
Irvin, to teammates in the locker room: “How can I allow only one woman to have a body this good? This is the body you will aspire to have. This is the body you will aspire to achieve. You will not achieve it, but this is what you will strive to achieve.” Notice he made no similar boasts about his brain.
Anonymous player: “Mike got more Cowboys laid than touchdown catches.”
Anthony Montoya, Irvin’s assistant: “The one thing I felt guilty about is helping Mike lie so many times to Sandy (Irvin’s wife). He cheated on her nonstop.”
Columnist Mike Freeman on Emmitt Smith: “He had a huge ego that made him sort of a dick.”
Emmitt Smith to cornerback Clayton Holmes, after Holmes asked Smith to sign an autograph for his mom, with his mom standing right nearby: “Man, I ain’t signing shit!”
Anonymous player: “Mike didn’t have a drug problem. Mike had a pussy problem.”
Jerry Jones: “I could step out and hire Barry Switzer as coach of the Dallas Cowboys tomorrow and he’d do a better job than Jimmy (Johnson). Hell, I could probably get Lou Holtz over here.”
“I had one of those anal probes, but I’m a little more clearheaded now… Did you say you wanted me to coach the Cowboys?…” Switzer to Jones, after being offered the Cowboys job right after having a colonoscopy. Jones never bothered to interview Switzer before offering him the job.
Switzer, at his first meeting with the team: “Where the hell is Charles Haley? I’m mad at you! I heard you flicked your dick at everybody, and you didn’t do it to me? What am I, chopped liver?”
“Give me five minutes and I’ll take you to heaven,” Jones to a female friend of a reporter. He also asked the woman if she had any panties on under her skirt.
And all that barely begins to scratch the surface of what Pearlman was able to dig up. So I implore you to buy “Boys Will Be Boys” with all due haste. That way, we can all make inside jokes about Charles Haley’s Frankencock TOGETHER, as a family.
Read more: http://kissingsuzykolber.uproxx.com...e-of-charles-haley’s-penis.html#ixzz39Lbxp0jA
Some people simply refuse to vote for him
http://kissingsuzykolber.uproxx.com...-featuring-more-of-charles-haley’s-penis.html
Best-selling author and liberal Jew from New York Jeff Pearlman has a new book on the 1990s Cowboys that comes out today (Buy it here). Now, you probably already know that this book has already given us the profound gift that is Charles Haley masturbating in front of teammates. A little meet and skeet, if you will. Ah, but that is merely one of the many juicy tidbits that litter Pearlman’s book, which reads like a virtual “Hammer Of The Gods” for football.
For instance, there’s the fact that Michael Irvin, in addition to being a cokehead, a philanderer, and a selfish prick, is also an… how does one put this? Oh yes… AN ATTEMPTED FUCKING MURDERER. See now, I had remembered long ago that Irvin had gotten into a fight with teammate Everett McIver, but I had forgotten about this tidbit of information:
Irvin grabbed a pair of scissors, whipped back his right arm, and slashed McIver across the neck… inches from the carotid artery.
What was McIver’s transgression? He wouldn’t get out of the team’s barbershop chair when Irvin showed up for a haircut. When Irvin showed up and saw McIver getting his hair cut, he screamed: “Seniority! Seniority! Seniority! Punk, get the fuck out of my chair!” When McIver refused, the two got into a fistfight, which then led to Irvin STABBING HIM IN THE NECK WITH SCISSORS. Irvin then paid McIver off for six figures, charges were never filed, and the team tried to bury the story (They were not very successful in this regard).
So, yeah, there’s a Hall of Famer for you. Pearlman has a knack for getting great stories from everyone surrounding the team. The book is packed top to bottom with tales of players fucking, fighting, or doing drugs. And that’s the hallmark of any classic book, as far as I’m concerned. I know that’s all I ever want to read about.
As Pearlman tells the tale of the team, from Jimmy Johnson’s hiring all the way through to the end of the Switzer era, it became clear to me that a team like this simply doesn’t exist anymore. It can’t. As the NFL has become a corporate monolith, and as the Internet has taken over the way NFL news is both created and digested, the idea that a football team can get away with everything depicted in Pearlman’s book is now laughable.
Those 1990’s Cowboys represented the end of an era, an era that had no salary cap, an era where players (and coaches) could party all the time and still win multiple titles. There’s a tone of wistfulness here, the idea that this was the end of true old time football, and that the NFL has lost a bit of its soul in the ensuing years as it has grown bigger and bigger.
Just as real rock stars don’t walk the earth anymore, NFL players are now packaged and micromanaged to the point where they aren’t allowed to be the gloriously flawed people that fans, against all rationality, grow to love. In some ways, that’s tragic. In other ways, Michael Irvin STABBED A FUCKING GUY IN THE NECK WITH SCISSORS. So I suppose you take the good with the bad.
Some more fascinating tidbits:
-Charles Haley once cut a hole in the roof of Tim Harris’ BMW and pissed onto the steering wheel. This story made me happy, because as a Vikings fan I fucking hated Tim Harris.
-Once in a team meeting, Haley came back from the bathroom, pulled down his shorts, wiped his ass, and threw his poopy toilet paper at 49ers linebacker coach John Marshall.
-During another team meeting, Haley whispered to teammate Scott Case, “Scott, turn around, I gotta show you something… Scott, dammit, turn around! You need to see this!” When Case turned around, according to Pearlman, he “saw Haley’s erect penis stretched across the desk.”
-The Cowboys often held position meetings at strip clubs.
-Michael Irvin financed a Cowboys charity basketball team called the Hoopsters that had its own private plane, which was mostly used to hold airborne orgies, with Irvin dictating who should be fucking who. “There was nothing Mike couldn’t think of,” said his assistant. “He had quite the imagination.”
-Irvin also charged huge personal appearance fees for the Hoopsters to show up at events. In one case, he charged the Little Dribblers of Fairfield Texas $5,600 to appear, then RAISED the fee, then failed to show up and refused to refund the original money after the organizer balked at paying the increased charge. Irvin also slugged a volunteer ref during one of the team’s games.
-The Cowboys gave specific instructions to American Airlines to only hire beautiful attendants for their charter flights, and kept a book with photos and measurements of the best-looking stewardesses.
-One Christmas, Emmitt Smith gave teammates copies of his own autobiography as a gift.
-When he was very young, Barry Switzer’s mother committed suicide in front of him. Even worse, she did it just after Switzer had bravely (and quite eloquently) confronted her about her alcoholism. And if you can’t feel for Switzer after reading the whole story, I don’t really want to know you.
-Nate Newton once hid a Snickers bar in his uniform, which then flew out during a game. Afterwards, cornerback Larry Brown was heard to remark, “Did a damn candy bar just fly from Nate’s body, or am I imagining things?”
-Jerry Jones routinely cheated on his wife with a Texas Stadium Corp employee named Susan Skaggs, often using the team plane to do so. (What is it with the Cowboys and fucking in the sky?) Jones’ pilot said, “We could feel the airplane moving and shaking. It didn’t move and shake that long.” WOO HOO!!! YOU AIN’T EVER HAD LOVIN’ LIKE THE OL’ DOUBLE-J! Excuse me for moment. I now have motion sickness.
-Switzer fucked the wife of player personnel head Larry Lacewell. And Lacewell wasn’t even mad about it.
And now some money quotes:
Haley to Steve Young in the locker room after a 49ers loss: “I could have fucking won that game in my sleep! You’re a motherfucking pussy faggot quarterback! A motherfucking pussy faggot quarterback with no balls!” You know, I used to say the EXACT same things about that guy!
James Washington on Jim Everett: “Yeah, I would smash Jim Everett when I wasn’t supposed to, but I thought the bitch was a punk.”
Washington: “A lot of were addicted to it… to the pussy.” Well, who can blame anyone for pussyholism?
Irvin, to teammates in the locker room: “How can I allow only one woman to have a body this good? This is the body you will aspire to have. This is the body you will aspire to achieve. You will not achieve it, but this is what you will strive to achieve.” Notice he made no similar boasts about his brain.
Anonymous player: “Mike got more Cowboys laid than touchdown catches.”
Anthony Montoya, Irvin’s assistant: “The one thing I felt guilty about is helping Mike lie so many times to Sandy (Irvin’s wife). He cheated on her nonstop.”
Columnist Mike Freeman on Emmitt Smith: “He had a huge ego that made him sort of a dick.”
Emmitt Smith to cornerback Clayton Holmes, after Holmes asked Smith to sign an autograph for his mom, with his mom standing right nearby: “Man, I ain’t signing shit!”
Anonymous player: “Mike didn’t have a drug problem. Mike had a pussy problem.”
Jerry Jones: “I could step out and hire Barry Switzer as coach of the Dallas Cowboys tomorrow and he’d do a better job than Jimmy (Johnson). Hell, I could probably get Lou Holtz over here.”
“I had one of those anal probes, but I’m a little more clearheaded now… Did you say you wanted me to coach the Cowboys?…” Switzer to Jones, after being offered the Cowboys job right after having a colonoscopy. Jones never bothered to interview Switzer before offering him the job.
Switzer, at his first meeting with the team: “Where the hell is Charles Haley? I’m mad at you! I heard you flicked your dick at everybody, and you didn’t do it to me? What am I, chopped liver?”
“Give me five minutes and I’ll take you to heaven,” Jones to a female friend of a reporter. He also asked the woman if she had any panties on under her skirt.
And all that barely begins to scratch the surface of what Pearlman was able to dig up. So I implore you to buy “Boys Will Be Boys” with all due haste. That way, we can all make inside jokes about Charles Haley’s Frankencock TOGETHER, as a family.
Read more: http://kissingsuzykolber.uproxx.com...e-of-charles-haley’s-penis.html#ixzz39Lbxp0jA
I really wish people would stop saying shit like this. Haley is 1 man on a team. He didn't win jack shit... The team won those championships...
With your logic, Robert Horrey is better than Jordan since he's won more rings than him.
Dude, I said I am not knocking what Straham has done, but you can't hate on Haley. Dude has over 100 sacks and mutiple rings. The writers are hating on his antics, but he was diagnosed with being bi-polar after his NFL career.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000371799/article/why-charles-haley-belongs-in-the-hall-of-fame
I really wish people would stop saying shit like this. Haley is 1 man on a team. He didn't win jack shit... The team won those championships...
With your logic, Robert Horrey is better than Jordan since he's won more rings than him.
Haley made championship defenses better. he played a much bigger role than Horry did and he had to be double teamed almost every play. take him off that Dallas team and they don't dominate the Niners like they did.
Strahan has 4 years of great stats and the rest of his career is average.
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Haley should be in but I went Strahan. Strahan had a couple DOMINANT years. Haley was good and had some really good years but I don't know that I'd say the same. BS that he's not in but also BS that Strahan had to wait a year. I know it's not easy but they created a log jam with some guys like Parcells and Cris Carter that they "pushed him back". Same thing this year with keeping Harrison, arguably Haley and some others out b/c they finally decided to let Andre Reed and Claude Humphrey in.
Strahan vs Haley? Must be a ton of Cowgirls/Niners fans pumping haley over Strahan.
But I'll play along:
Haley:
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/H/HaleCh00.htm
Strahan:
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/StraMi02.htm
See, this is easy and I like Haley, but he's no Strahan. If Strahan retired in 2003, he'd still have more sacks and tackles then Haley. Overrated indeed. C'mon man, Mike at 34 was putting up double digit sacks after tearing his bicep the previous season.
But I'll play along:
Haley:
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/H/HaleCh00.htm
Strahan:
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/StraMi02.htm
See, this is easy and I like Haley, but he's no Strahan. If Strahan retired in 2003, he'd still have more sacks and tackles then Haley. Overrated indeed. C'mon man, Mike at 34 was putting up double digit sacks after tearing his bicep the previous season.
Strahan ALL DAY… EVERY DAY… 
Charles Haley doesn't come close to Strahan…
You put Strahan on those 49ers and Cowboys teams, Strahan would have had 200 sacks and 3 D.P.O.Y awards…
NO DEBATE!!!!
Charles Haley doesn't come close to Strahan…
You put Strahan on those 49ers and Cowboys teams, Strahan would have had 200 sacks and 3 D.P.O.Y awards…
NO DEBATE!!!!
Strahan isn't first ballot. Ask Warren Sapp about that.
HOF needs to be about what happens/happened on the field - these estrogen filled girlie-men who make decisions need to be stomped and thrown out. Charles Haley was a fucking force. If you didn't account for him, your play...run or pass..was going nowhere. There are players who when you call a number, one immediately knows who it is. Just a few..56, 94, 75, 58, 7, 13, 16..just off the top of my head.
Ronnie lott, Prime Time, Michael Carter, Dana Stubllefield, Bryant Young, Ken Norton jr, Darren Woodson, Russell Maryland, Rickey Jackson…. and that's just the defensive side of the ball.
Line Strahan up with these dudes…
Line Strahan up with these dudes…