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Cotto vs. Pacquiao In Jeopardy?

s reported by some media outlets, the proposed mega fight between Miguel Cotto & Manny Pacquiao On November 14th might not go forward. The reason is simple, but not so simple. Manny Pacquiao is now demanding that the fight be for Miguel Cotto’s Welterweight title. Manny Pacquiao is on the verge of being the first seven time world champion in seven weight divisions and the prospect of that clearly has Freddie Roach wanting the fight for Cotto’s Title.

Cotto and I quote, states “If Pacquiao wants the fight to be for the title, it will have to be at 147 pounds… My decision is final and firm.” But Pacquiao’s camp is equally insistent that the fight remain at 145 with the title at stake. “We don’t need the fight if the title is not on the line,” Freddie Roach, Pacquiao’s trainer, told The Manila Bulletin. “I want Manny to do this for a reason. I want Manny to win seven world titles. Titles are overrated but I would like to see Manny do this.”

My question is why all of a sudden is this coming out, especially after the fight had been announced? Surely, Manny Pacquiao’s camp was fully aware of the title not being up for stake when the fight was announced, Bob Arum has been stating this all along, or is Manny starting to reconsider the fight altogether with Cotto, who at 145 will be only one pound lighter than the 146 he weighed in at for the Clottey fight?

Is the stance by Cotto a relevant one as well? Should a challenger such as Manny Pacquiao (who IS the challenger in this case) be dictating the terms without any challenge from the actual champion, in this case Miguel Cotto?

Cotto, in my OPINION, has swallowed his pride and has taken a lot of abuse the last few weeks since this fight has been announced . He has taken abuse from Pacquiao’s fans and from Manny’s camp as well. He has not been given the respect by the boxing community and has been seen as the weakest opponent for Manny to fight, hence the reason Pacquiao did not jump on Shane Mosley’s proposition to give into Pacquiao’s terms.

It seems Cotto is finally getting aggravated by all of this and putting his foot down. Miguel has settled on the demands of coming down weight to 145, Cotto has given in on the purse of the fight, which from all accounts will be a 65-35 split for Pacquiao. Miguel has given in on the location of the fight which will take place At the MGM Grand in Vegas. I know what some of you are going to say ” Manny is the Pound for pound king, he should call all the shots” But I disagree. That is a STATUS given to a fighter by the fans and boxing experts, NOT AN OFFICIAL BELT. Miguel Cotto holds a Belt and is the reigning WBO champion in the welterweight division, which the last time I checked is at 147 pounds nothing more.

It would be a hypocrisy for the World Boxing Organization to strip Cotto of his belt( which has been the buzz), when Cotto has a legitimate right to state, that if you want to challenge the champion of a specific weight for his belt, you fight him at that weight. If Cotto wanted to fight Manny for his junior Welterweight title I am sure that Manny would say the same thing. Its common sense folks. If Manny wants the fight for Cotto’s belt, then it should be at Cotto’s 147 that is where the belt resides not at 145, which is fair and only right especially if the roles where in reverse.

I am a huge Manny Pacquiao fan quite possibly one of the biggest, but I am a huge fan of boxing which supersedes any fighter. I am starting to think that Freddie Roach and Pacquiao are starting to realize that they might have bitten off more than they can chew. Just a day before this title situation, in which Pacquiao has created, Miguel Cotto recently sent a stern message to Freddie Roach after Freddie had some bold prediction about the outcome of there proposed showdown.

I quote, “Hey Roach, I have some news. I am not Oscar De La Hoya at the end of his career. I am not the overrated Ricky Hatton. Roach knows what he will be facing on November 14th, it will be a war.” Have these words finally sunken into the heads of everyone in Pacquiao’s camp? They know that Miguel Cotto will not budge on this title situation and are NOW saying that without the belt they do not need Cotto. Is this their way out of the fight? Who knows, but the timing of all of this in relation to Cotto’s stern warning have to make you think.

Life is about challenging yourself and others when you are a fighter not taking a short cut to glory. I have to say that in THIS case Manny is trying to take a short cut to glory. He wants the rewards of a belt that is in a higher weight division, without actually allowing the champion to fight at that weight. I would hope that this is not just a ploy to get out of this fight with Cotto because I admire Manny Pacquiao’s body of work.

It would be a shame as well for Cotto to be forced to do something that makes complete sense on his part as well. I have a solution to all of this, Manny if you want to make history and win Cotto’s belt then do it the right way, allow Miguel Cotto to fight without a catch weight and then you would have earned a title the right way.

Cotto has given into all of your demands( and he is the champion), now it is up to you to look into yourself and think long and hard whether you are going to fight your own battle or whether you’re going to have your lawyers or the WBO fight your battle for you. Fans of boxing, Cotto is not fighting Pacquiao for his junior welterweight title he has been there done that, it is the other way around. Manny Pacquiao is fighting for Miguel Cotto’s Belt!

In closing boxing fans. If this fight is canceled then it leaves me with this sad conclusion. Someone that I love as a fighter ( Manny Pacquiao) is nothing more than a bully outside the ring in his negotiating tactics and when FINALLY faced with tough opposition, not only inside the ring, but now outside from Cotto he wants to threaten the fight from moving forward, It seems a little too familiar to why he has not fought Juan Manuel Marquez again. That is a cowardly act that threatens us boxing fans the opportunity to see what can be one of the greatest clashes we have ever seen.



Plain and simple, if you want a welterweight title then fight at welterweight, this mofo been duckin Marquez for like three divisions, got props for beating an old very washed up Oscar and got more props for doing something Floyd already did - ko Hatton who is far from a defensive fighter or a technician. I seriously hope Cotto knocks this lil' bastid the fuck out.
 
I agree that would be the right thing to do. Fight at 147 if he wants the belt. Don't agree with you about the Marquez, Hoya, and Hatton fights though. Mayweather beat down Hoya when he was passed his prime as well, Hatton has always been garbage to me, bum ass fighter, and Marquez? How many times do you need him to fight the guy for small money? There are bigger paychecks out there.
 
I agree that would be the right thing to do. Fight at 147 if he wants the belt. Don't agree with you about the Marquez, Hoya, and Hatton fights though. Mayweather beat down Hoya when he was passed his prime as well, Hatton has always been garbage to me, bum ass fighter, and Marquez? How many times do you need him to fight the guy for small money? There are bigger paychecks out there.

He steals a victory against Marquez in the second fight, jumps to lightweigt, beats a BUM called David Diaz for an alphabet title. Marquez lands at lightweight and promptly knocks the linear champ the fuck out. What's supposed to happen next, unification bout! to finally settle the Marquez business once and for all - instead he runs out of the division again, while MArquez is busy wiping out the two best 135 pounders in the world. Sorry but if anybody deserved that P4P in the last 2 years, it's Marquez not Manny. Even Floyd will tell you that. People forget that Manny did this exact same shit to Morales in the second fight. Erik couldn't make 130 anymore but Manny refused to go to 135 to fight him, so Morales who already gave Manny a lesson was forced to starch himself and got ktfo'ed.

And even though Floyd fought an old Oscar, he came in at 147 and allowed Oscar to come in at 154 and STILL won, he didn't try to starch Oscar out and quibble about weights. Floyd was a welterweight beating a super welter, which is why he gets much more prps for the victory than Manny does. Hatton I agree is just garbage and overrated.
 
He steals a victory against Marquez in the second fight, jumps to lightweigt, beats a BUM called David Diaz for an alphabet title. Marquez lands at lightweight and promptly knocks the linear champ the fuck out. What's supposed to happen next, unification bout! to finally settle the Marquez business once and for all - instead he runs out of the division again, while MArquez is busy wiping out the two best 135 pounders in the world. Sorry but if anybody deserved that P4P in the last 2 years, it's Marquez not Manny. Even Floyd will tell you that. People forget that Manny did this exact same shit to Morales in the second fight. Erik couldn't make 130 anymore but Manny refused to go to 135 to fight him, so Morales who already gave Manny a lesson was forced to starch himself and got ktfo'ed.

And even though Floyd fought an old Oscar, he came in at 147 and allowed Oscar to come in at 154 and STILL won, he didn't try to starch Oscar out and quibble about weights. Floyd was a welterweight beating a super welter, which is why he gets much more prps for the victory than Manny does. Hatton I agree is just garbage and overrated.

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Manny is a great fighter. However, he has had great matchmaking throughout his career the last 5 years. Because of that, he is a lil overrated.

He lost to Marquez last year at 130. Period

Beat the weakest title holder at 135.

Oscar basically screwed himself by taking that fight @ 147. He looked like shit at 150 against Steve Forbes. That should of told him to stay @ 154.

Hatton is a bum

This Pac fight with Cotto will tell me alot. I still don't know how actually good he is.
 
He steals a victory against Marquez in the second fight, jumps to lightweigt, beats a BUM called David Diaz for an alphabet title. Marquez lands at lightweight and promptly knocks the linear champ the fuck out. What's supposed to happen next, unification bout! to finally settle the Marquez business once and for all - instead he runs out of the division again, while MArquez is busy wiping out the two best 135 pounders in the world. Sorry but if anybody deserved that P4P in the last 2 years, it's Marquez not Manny. Even Floyd will tell you that. People forget that Manny did this exact same shit to Morales in the second fight. Erik couldn't make 130 anymore but Manny refused to go to 135 to fight him, so Morales who already gave Manny a lesson was forced to starch himself and got ktfo'ed.

And even though Floyd fought an old Oscar, he came in at 147 and allowed Oscar to come in at 154 and STILL won, he didn't try to starch Oscar out and quibble about weights. Floyd was a welterweight beating a super welter, which is why he gets much more prps for the victory than Manny does. Hatton I agree is just garbage and overrated.

There is truth to what you say but those Marquez fights can go both ways, dude did get dropped a bunch of times in the early rounds which equals points.. Hoya at any weight couldn't win vs Mayweather or Pacman at that stage in his career, his hands and reaction time just couldn't cut it anymore. I'll have to revisit those 2 Marquez fights since I recall it being very close for both sides, or they took a fight each, I could be wrong though...

PS: Hatton is a fucking bum
 
I also agree with the thread title by the way, if he doesn't fight Cotto he's off my favs list. I'm revisiting some Marquez fights, dude is brilliant, trying to find links for the first marquez vs manny fight.. heres some other shit I came across,

Pacquiao vs Marquez II

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=YVRUFSVO
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=GWUPUM60

Casamayor vs Marquez

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=KWVRKKXO

lol@the commentator at 50:35 talking about "marquez to the joy of this latino crowd" as if he forgot casamayor was latino..lol

Juan Manuel Marquez vs. Juan Diaz

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=3FCSB7PB

Though I've stated Marquez is that dude I don't think he'll be able to hit Floyd, :(

Edit:

Scored Manny vs Marquez II fight and have Marquez winning =O

1 J (may have went to Manny)
2 J
3 M (extra point for knockdown)
4 M
5 J
6 J
7 M
8 J
9 M (may have went to Juan)
10 M
11 J
12 J

Notes:

Manny made the fight what it was and Lederman & Judges had Manny winning.
 
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I also agree with the thread title by the way, if he doesn't fight Cotto he's off my favs list. I'm revisiting some Marquez fights, dude is brilliant, trying to find links for the first marquez vs manny fight.. heres some other shit I came across,

Pacquiao vs Marquez II

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=YVRUFSVO
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=GWUPUM60

Casamayor vs Marquez

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=KWVRKKXO

lol@the commentator at 50:35 talking about "marquez to the joy of this latino crowd" as if he forgot casamayor was latino..lol

Juan Manuel Marquez vs. Juan Diaz

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=3FCSB7PB

Though I've stated Marquez is that dude I don't think he'll be able to hit Floyd, :(

Good point about the commentator, lol!
He'll(Marquez) hit Floyd, he's too technically sound, check the first knockdown in the Diaz fight, dude was covering up really well and Marquez shot a four punch combo lightning fast through his guard. The scariest thing about JMM is not only how intelligent he is, just as smart as Floyd, but the fact that dude has actually been getting better in the past year, went up in weight and ko'ed two guys who've never been ko'ed. I think heads are seriously sleeping on Marquez. He dealt with Manny's speed and Pac is probably a slightly quicker than Floyd at this stage. I still see Floyd winning the fight because it's the safe bet.

But as me and tp2001 were discussing in my thread, Floyd usually give away rounds 1-3, gauges his opponent and adjusts, but MArquez is that dude also. If JMM can make it close enough of a fight by taking the middle rounds....well let's just say Floyd is hated enuff to maybe sway the judges. I'm almost looking forward to that fight more than Pac/Cotto. I really believe Cotto is going to run this kid over especially if Manny doesn't really hurt him early. Imho for Pac to win he HAS to ko Cotto early, if he doesn't, it'll be a tko victory for Cotto around round 9 or 10.

The difference is that ROACH has been picking easy to win fights for Pac. Pacman himself decided he wanted Cotto, if they don't come up with a better plan than "we're gonna ko him" which harder hitters like Mosley and Margacheato haven't been able to do, it's gonna be a long night or short night depending......

Thanks for the links, you want fights? go here......http://www.bgol.us/board/showthread.php?t=217713
 
i dont care to see pacquiao fight until he fights an african american fighter....period.


fuck that little funny looking mothafucka.

after a while it became obvious he was ducking black fighters.


fuck him all together win or lose.
 
i dont care to see pacquiao fight until he fights an african american fighter....period.


fuck that little funny looking mothafucka.

after a while it became obvious he was ducking black fighters.

:roflmao::roflmao::roflmao::roflmao:

Yo let me make sure that I didn't crack your un/pw on here because I would have said the exact same thing about Manny "The Gremlin" Pacquaio...

Now on to the main topic...

"I know what some of you are going to say ” Manny is the Pound for pound king, he should call all the shots” But I disagree. That is a STATUS given to a fighter by the fans and boxing experts, NOT AN OFFICIAL BELT."

For one, Manny is NOT the p4p king for what he has done...In fact, even though I dispute the decisions he got ;) Cotto has made more of a case of being the p4p best than Pacquiao does...

that being said, while Pac does want Cotto at 145 instead of 147, the belt can be on the line since the welterweight limit is at 147...Although I would not hold it against Cotto to balk at this fight given the crappy demands that Pac has put forth...I'd have to give props to Cotto on this one if he says "fuck the money I ain't takin this fight" because Pac needs to stop actin like a punk...
 
:hmm: interesting....

Pacquiao-Cotto Title Bout Rests on WBO's Section 15

By Mark Vester

A lot has been written on the title mishap that hangs like a bad cloud above the November 14 bout between Manny Pacquiao and WBO welterweight champion Miguel Cotto. The fight takes place at an agreed catch-weight 145-pounds and because of this weight, Cotto has not been willing to stake his welterweight crown. He says Pacquaio will have to fight him at the full welterweight limit of 147 to have the title at stake. The WBO president Francisco “Paco” Valcarcel is pushing to have the WBO title on the line. Who could blame him? There is a $150,000 sanctioning fee at stake on both sides. Top Rank's Bob Arum promotes both fighters and is willing to pay both of their sanctioning fees.

The title picture will come down to several scenarios but all of them will have the WBO title at stake. The title picture comes down to Section 15, page 17 of the WBO's Rules and Regulations.

The sections reads the following:

(b) A WBO champion shall not participate in a non-championship fight that is not a WBO Championship without the prior authorization of the WBO World Championship Committee. This authorization shall be subject to such conditions as the WBO World Championship Committee determines. In addition, this authorization will be granted only on the condition that the WBO Champion pay a fee to the WBO that is the equivalent of the amount that he WBO Champion would have paid to the WBO if the nonchampionship fight were conducted as a WBO Championship fight.

Pursuant to the official rules, the WBO is in the right to sanction the bout as a welterweight title fight. Pacquiao's trainer Freddie Roach already told BoxingScene.com that his fighter is going to pay the required sanctioning fee - even if Cotto refuses to pay his share. That move would hand Manny the title with a win or cause the title to become vacant if Cotto prevails.

The WBO has to give Cotto authorization to take the Pacquiao fight, pursuant to their rules and the WBO can set the conditions of the fight - and that includes making it a title fight. Even if Cotto refuses to put the title on the line, the WBO rules are clear, he would be forced to pay a sanctioning fee that is equal to the amount of a normal title fight.

Even if Cotto vacates the title, the WBO can place the vacant title at stake in the fight. There has already been word that Pacquiao would be lifted to the status of number 1 contender and that would give him a chance to win the title - with or without Cotto's compliance.

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For those statements in italics, I quote Penn (and Teller)....BULL...SHIT...
 
:hmm: interesting....

Pacquiao-Cotto Title Bout Rests on WBO's Section 15

By Mark Vester

A lot has been written on the title mishap that hangs like a bad cloud above the November 14 bout between Manny Pacquiao and WBO welterweight champion Miguel Cotto. The fight takes place at an agreed catch-weight 145-pounds and because of this weight, Cotto has not been willing to stake his welterweight crown. He says Pacquaio will have to fight him at the full welterweight limit of 147 to have the title at stake. The WBO president Francisco “Paco” Valcarcel is pushing to have the WBO title on the line. Who could blame him? There is a $150,000 sanctioning fee at stake on both sides. Top Rank's Bob Arum promotes both fighters and is willing to pay both of their sanctioning fees.

The title picture will come down to several scenarios but all of them will have the WBO title at stake. The title picture comes down to Section 15, page 17 of the WBO's Rules and Regulations.

The sections reads the following:

(b) A WBO champion shall not participate in a non-championship fight that is not a WBO Championship without the prior authorization of the WBO World Championship Committee. This authorization shall be subject to such conditions as the WBO World Championship Committee determines. In addition, this authorization will be granted only on the condition that the WBO Champion pay a fee to the WBO that is the equivalent of the amount that he WBO Champion would have paid to the WBO if the nonchampionship fight were conducted as a WBO Championship fight.

Pursuant to the official rules, the WBO is in the right to sanction the bout as a welterweight title fight. Pacquiao's trainer Freddie Roach already told BoxingScene.com that his fighter is going to pay the required sanctioning fee - even if Cotto refuses to pay his share. That move would hand Manny the title with a win or cause the title to become vacant if Cotto prevails.

The WBO has to give Cotto authorization to take the Pacquiao fight, pursuant to their rules and the WBO can set the conditions of the fight - and that includes making it a title fight. Even if Cotto refuses to put the title on the line, the WBO rules are clear, he would be forced to pay a sanctioning fee that is equal to the amount of a normal title fight.

Even if Cotto vacates the title, the WBO can place the vacant title at stake in the fight. There has already been word that Pacquiao would be lifted to the status of number 1 contender and that would give him a chance to win the title - with or without Cotto's compliance.

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For those statements in italics, I quote Penn (and Teller)....BULL...SHIT...

:confused::(:smh::angry:
 

If you thought I was furious in my response to the last post I had, it has been taken to a new level after reading this shit...

Pacquiao-Cotto: WBO Title, WBC Diamond Belt at Stake

By Ronnie Nathanielsz

Filipino boxing hero Manny Pacquiao can win not one but two belts should he beat Puerto Rico’s Miguel Cotto in their welterweight title fight scheduled at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas on November 14.

Pacquiao’s adviser Michael Koncz told BoxingScene.com, insidesports.ph, Standard Today and Viva Sports in an overseas telephone conversation from Las Vegas on eary Saturday, that both the WBO title as well as the newly-minted Diamond Belt which WBC president Don Jose Sulaiman told us was approved by the WBC board of governors and was created for ”elite fights” even at catch-weights, would be on the line.

The Diamond Belt itself will cost in the vicinity of $50,000 while we understand from Koncz that the WBO has agreed to bring down the original sanction fee of $150,000 demanded of each fighter for a total take of $300,000.

Koncz told us he was not sure by how much the original sanction fee was reduced but said that Top Rank promoter Bob Arum had agreed to pay the sanction fee as well as the cost of the Diamond Belt.

The Pacquiao-Cotto fight will be at 145 pounds which is a demand that Team Pacquiao made and which Cotto eventually accepted although reluctantly.
 
If you thought I was furious in my response to the last post I had, it has been taken to a new level after reading this shit...

Pacquiao-Cotto: WBO Title, WBC Diamond Belt at Stake

By Ronnie Nathanielsz

Filipino boxing hero Manny Pacquiao can win not one but two belts should he beat Puerto Rico’s Miguel Cotto in their welterweight title fight scheduled at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas on November 14.

Pacquiao’s adviser Michael Koncz told BoxingScene.com, insidesports.ph, Standard Today and Viva Sports in an overseas telephone conversation from Las Vegas on eary Saturday, that both the WBO title as well as the newly-minted Diamond Belt which WBC president Don Jose Sulaiman told us was approved by the WBC board of governors and was created for ”elite fights” even at catch-weights, would be on the line.

The Diamond Belt itself will cost in the vicinity of $50,000 while we understand from Koncz that the WBO has agreed to bring down the original sanction fee of $150,000 demanded of each fighter for a total take of $300,000.

Koncz told us he was not sure by how much the original sanction fee was reduced but said that Top Rank promoter Bob Arum had agreed to pay the sanction fee as well as the cost of the Diamond Belt.

The Pacquiao-Cotto fight will be at 145 pounds which is a demand that Team Pacquiao made and which Cotto eventually accepted although reluctantly.

These fuckers created another belt??? :confused::confused::confused: Please tell me I'm not reading this shit right!
 
These fuckers created another belt??? :confused::confused::confused: Please tell me I'm not reading this shit right!

You read it correctly...Lucky I'm not going to the fight because I would bust Pacquiao's ass for all this bullshit...

But there was a funny response to this on the thread where it came from...

Pacquiao is getting his sack licked more than any other fighter in history right now it seems like. How much preferential treatment is he going to get? Hell, the WBC didn't suck Floyd off this much.
 
You read it correctly...Lucky I'm not going to the fight because I would bust Pacquiao's ass for all this bullshit...

But there was a funny response to this on the thread where it came from...


:lol::lol: That quote was funny as hell. But truthfully this shit is really getting out of hand. The last thing boxing needs is another damn belt. There's already too many!
 
This is funny. He handpicked Cotto for two reasons: apparently he and Roach thought Miguel looked vulnerable in the Clottey fight and HBO is out of the "sucker fight" business. If he wanted to cash another big Home Box Office check this year, he was going to have to fight a big time welter/jr. welter. Now he wants to thrown hurdles in the way.

See this is why I like merce77: he don't like Floyd and I do but he's as hard on everybody.
 
This is funny. He handpicked Cotto for two reasons: apparently he and Roach thought Miguel looked vulnerable in the Clottey fight and HBO is out of the "sucker fight" business. If he wanted to cash another big Home Box Office check this year, he was going to have to fight a big time welter/jr. welter. Now he wants to thrown hurdles in the way.

See this is why I like merce77: he don't like Floyd and I do but he's as hard on everybody.

Wow, I read this Diamond Belt shit while I was in Pennsylvania in a Puerto Rican newspaper and I couldn't wait to post that "diamond belt" bullshit here, thanks for that btw TP2001. OMG!:angry:WTF?:angry: I mean I am most definitely hard on Floyd but if any fighter of this generation deserved a diamond belt before he retired it was Money not Manny.

I mean let's really look at who he's beaten. A very battle scarred and worn Barrera, a very battle scarred and worn out Morales actually beat him and then was knocked out twice when Many and Freddie pulled that bullshit with the weights in the second and third fight - refusing to fight Morales at lightweight and forcing him to starch himself as they did to Oscar.
Imho, I thought Manny lost both fights to Marquez, who in my opinion with Floyd retired should have been the #1 p4p. He beats David Diaz (for some alphabet belt) who is actually a shoemaker from Texas, a really old and worn out Oscar and a Ricky Hatton who has been overrated since day one. Pacquaio (like Floyd later in his career) is a product of carefully chosen opponents and good business guidance.

He is, in no way shape or form, NOT the second coming of Roberto Duran or Henry Armstrong and anyone who compares him to two all time LEGENDS like those guys MUST be Filipino.

I don't care if it's Mayweather or Marquez but one of those dudes needs to put Manny's head out. I believe it'll be Floyd as he should win this fight against JMM, then Manny will get to know what it's like to have someone walk him to school.:lol:

Hold on! Wait! WTF am I saying - Cotto is gonna knock this kid the fuck out!!!:lol::lol:I literally almost forgot.:lol:
 
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Wow, I read this Diamond Belt shit while I was in Pennsylvania in a Puerto Rican newspaper and I couldn't wait to post that "diamond belt" bullshit here, thanks for that btw TP2001. OMG!:angry:WTF?:angry: I mean I am most definitely hard on Floyd but if any fighter of this generation deserved a diamond belt before he retired it was Money not Manny.

I mean let's really look at who he's beaten. A very battle scarred and worn Barrera, a very battle scarred and worn out Morales actually beat him and then was knocked out twice when Many and Freddie pulled that bullshit with the weights in the second and third fight - refusing to fight Morales at lightweight and forcing him to starch himself as they did to Oscar.
Imho, I thought Manny lost both fights to Marquez, who in my opinion with Floyd retired should have been the #1 p4p. He beats David Diaz (for some alphabet belt) who is actually a shoemaker from Texas, a really old and worn out Oscar and a Ricky Hatton who has been overrated since day one. Pacquaio (like Floyd later in his career) is a product of carefully chosen opponents and good business guidance.

He is, in no way shape or form, NOT the second coming of Roberto Duran or Henry Armstrong and anyone who compares him to two all time LEGENDS like those guys MUST be Filipino.

I don't care if it's Mayweather or Marquez but one of those dudes needs to put Manny's head out. I believe it'll be Floyd as he should win this fight against JMM, then Manny will get to know what it's like to have someone walk him to school.:lol:

Hold on! Wait! WTF am I saying - Cotto is gonna knock this kid the fuck out!!!:lol::lol:I literally almost forgot.:lol:

I've said before and I'll say it again: Floyd's fight with Marquez will be tougher than any fight with Pacquiao. If everyone fights like they should and can, Cotto should be fighting Mayweather to be called p4p by March.
 
i knew the wbc would pull something like this. sanctioning bodies are all jokes. these belts are not as prestigious as they once were. its all about the money these days.
 
I've said before and I'll say it again: Floyd's fight with Marquez will be tougher than any fight with Pacquiao. If everyone fights like they should and can, Cotto should be fighting Mayweather to be called p4p by March.

Very true, Floyd should top Cotto if that match takes place but my question is will Marquez and Manny have their WWIII match if they both should lose or win. They still have unfinished business.

Does anyone know if Mosley and Berto are still negotiating a fight?
 
Does anyone know if Mosley and Berto are still negotiating a fight?

An update on that probably won't happen until later this week...If Mosley does not get Berto, then a fight with Josh Clottey will happen. Either way, Shane is slated to fight on Dec. 5th
 
Very true, Floyd should top Cotto if that match takes place but my question is will Marquez and Manny have their WWIII match if they both should lose or win. They still have unfinished business.

Does anyone know if Mosley and Berto are still negotiating a fight?

For that to happen, you know Marquez has to either win or, if he doesn't, Pacquiao has to lose. If he loses and Pac somehow wins, Pacquiao and Mayweather will be up. I know Floyd hates Bob Arum, and the feeling's mutual, but the money would be too big. But he won't be giving in on demands like Cotto.
 
An update on that probably won't happen until later this week...If Mosley does not get Berto, then a fight with Josh Clottey will happen. Either way, Shane is slated to fight on Dec. 5th

Either fight would be fun to watch.

For that to happen, you know Marquez has to either win or, if he doesn't, Pacquiao has to lose. If he loses and Pac somehow wins, Pacquiao and Mayweather will be up. I know Floyd hates Bob Arum, and the feeling's mutual, but the money would be too big. But he won't be giving in on demands like Cotto.

My prediction is we'll be seeing Mayweather/Cotto by the spring and since Manny will have nowhere left to run to, we'll get to see Pacman/Marquez III sometime next year.
 
I said it once and I'll say it again, Cotto is a major threat if he comes correct. The man has the skills but wasn't really challenged or hungry enough to step his shit up. He showed a spark of it against Shane and got my respect. I have followed him for some years now and I know for a fact that he hasn't hit his prime yet.

Manny is a great fight but I noticed something about him over the years. He uses his speed to overcome his lack of power. Now you may think I'm bullshitting after he knocked out Hatton but think about it for a moment. Name one fighter he has fought who we all know has a solid chin and has been knocked out or greatly stunned by Manny? I truly believe Cotto has been getting pissed off and has been working in the gym since the day word went out about this fight.

Now we all have said it, if Cotto trains harder and learns to connect more while saving energy that he would be damn near unstoppable. If we figured that out, don't you think Roach and Manny have? They knew if they backed out of this fight it would make Manny look like a bitch and Cotto would get a fight against PBF. The only way they could save face was to declare for the fight be for Cotto's title at 145lbs, knowing Cotto has a bit trouble with dropping weight and would have added pressure.

Mark my words, even though Cotto is the underdog it is not impossible for him to win. His punches are one of the hardest in the game and if he can learn to pace himself, stay out of Manny's range and get the crowd and judges on his side, we could see his hand being raised. Manny knows this, Roach knows this, and Cotto is slowly starting to figure out how to be the fighter everyone expects him to be. I honestly can't wait for it to go down and will be rooting for Miguel Cotto all the way.
 
Either fight would be fun to watch.



My prediction is we'll be seeing Mayweather/Cotto by the spring and since Manny will have nowhere left to run to, we'll get to see Pacman/Marquez III sometime next year.

All we need is for everybody to do what they're supposed to and, hopefully, no one gets Malignaggi'ed (is there a thread about that bullshit?).
 
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