Making Sense of Iraq's Vote

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<font size="6">Making Sense of Iraq's Vote</font size>

<font size="3">Despite violence at the polls, Iraq completes its historic election.
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Monday, Jan. 31, 2005

<font size="3">Iraq's first competitive election in a half-century — which, despite its serious flaws, marked an historic breakthrough for the democratic principle in Iraq—has been claimed by President Bush as Exhibit A in his global mission to spread freedom. "Today, the people of Iraq have spoken to the world, and the world is hearing the voice of freedom from the center of the Middle East," the President said Sunday, greeting news reports that voter turnout had been greater than expected. Expectations, of course, had been gloomy, as the raging insurgency had effectively precluded most campaign activity, and voters on Sunday went into ballot booths to select from parties and coalitions whose candidates had, for the most part, been kept a secret.

Once the dust settled, in fact, the Iraqi Electoral Commission's initial estimate of a 72 percent turnout was <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1402260,00.html"> revised down to 57 percent of eligible voters</a> — later around 60 percent — with the ethnic breakdown as expected: Strong voter turnout among the long-marginalized Shiites and Kurds, who together comprise over 80 percent of the population; poor turnout among the Sunni Arabs in whose name the insurgency fights. Still, the very fact of Iraq's next government being chosen at the ballot box entrenches the principle that no government can claim legitimacy in Iraq without a democratic popular mandate. There can be no underestimating the epic significance of that principle in a country that has, for most of its history, been run by autocrats and thugs who derived authority either from the backing of foreign powers, or from their own ability to inflict pain on fellow citizens.

Sistani's victory

But even as President Bush claimed vindication for his Iraq strategy in the spectacle of millions of Iraqis braving terror and intimidation to go to the polls, the real author of Sunday's election —Grand Ayatollah Ali Sistani — confined himself to a simply thanking voters for turning out, and expressing regret that his own Iranian birth prevented him from joining them. It may be easily forgotten in the post-election spin that Sunday's vote was not the Bush administration's idea—quite the contrary. The U.S. had never intended for Iraqis to democratically choose the body that would write their new constitution; Washington had envisaged an election only after a constitution had been written by a body appointed by, and under the tutelage of the U.S.

Initially, the plan had been to hand power to returning exiles after toppling Saddam Hussein. When the exiles proved too unpopular, the U.S. then sought to have its handpicked Iraqi Governing Council write the new constitution. Even after the IGC proved incapable, the Bush administration consistently rejected Sistani's demand for democratic elections. Instead, U.S. administrator J. Paul Bremer proposed, that a constitution-making body be appointed by a series of caucuses comprising handpicked elites around the country. Sistani was having none of it. He insisted on democratic elections, used his influence among Shiites on the Governing Council to block Bremer's scheme, and then brought his supporters onto the streets to warn that anything short of democracy would be deemed illegitimate by the Shiite majority.

And it was this pressure from the Iranian-born Ayatollah—certainly an unlikely Tom Paine figure —that forced the administration to scrap its own plans for Iraq and agree to hold elections by the end of January 2005. Still, once the decision was made, President Bush stuck to his guns despite repeated entreaties at home and abroad—and from a number of Iraqis that had worked closely with Washington—to postpone the poll. And the election could mark a major turning point for the U.S. mission in Iraq.

From here, it gets complicated

Once the results are known—the wait could be up to ten days —the new National Assembly will be seated, and begin the tortuous process of choosing a government that begins with electing a president and two vice presidents by two thirds majority, and then requiring them to reach unanimity among themselves on a prime minister, who must then appoint a government for approval by the assembly. The election was contested by broad coalition lists, but once their representatives are seated according to the share of vote they won on Sunday there’s nothing to stop individual legislators or factions making common cause with those of election-day rivals and creating new alignments. Suffice to say that it will likely be at least a month, if not more, before the makeup of the new government is settled. Still, that government will be the first that the Bush administration has had to deal with in Iraq that has not been of its making. And indications are that it might not be smooth sailing.

Most reporting from polling stations suggests that the big winners, as expected, will be the Shiite-dominated United Iraqi Alliance, backed by Sistani. But the extent of its dominance remains to be seen. There were indications in the weeks preceding the election that the coalition of Prime Minister Iyad Allawi was reeling in the UIA's lead, drawing support not only from a middle class secular constituency but also from Shiites wary of giving clerics political authority. Allawi may have been helped by what appears to have been a <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/29/international/middleeast/29iraq.html?oref=login&oref=login&pagewanted=print&position=">de facto boycott by supporters of the radical Shiite cleric Moqtada Sadr</a>, on whose votes the UIA may have been counting. Indeed, if the 57 percent turnout figure is accurate, then the high Kurdish turnout and the fact that there was a substantial if small vote among Sunnis would suggest that a significant number of Shiites stayed away. UIA leaders remain confident, however, that they'd carried a comfortable majority among the Shiites.

But whatever the precise makeup of the government, much of the campaigning —to the extent that there was any—by the major parties presented voting as a means of ending "the occupation," the unflattering shorthand used by Iraqis across much of the political spectrum (including members of Allawi's own cabinet) to describe the U.S. presence. Opinion polls continue to show that a majority of Iraqi voters want the U.S. to leave immediately after the election, and a new government, whatever its makeup, will be expected to respond to that sentiment.

'End the occupation? '

Ironically, ending the U.S. presence is a point of consensus between Iraq's new political class and the insurgents who kept their promise to bloody the poll with a steady stream of attacks in the months preceding it, and which killed at least 41 people on election day despite the elaborate security procedures in place. Still, the death toll would almost certainly have been considerably higher had not banning all vehicles from the roads prevented car bombings. But the insurgents are almost certain to redouble their efforts in the coming weeks, as if to show that the election hasn't altered the strategic reality. And as long as turnout out in Sunni areas was low and the community questions the legitimacy of its outcome, they'll have achieved their basic strategic objective for the campaign season.

For the Kurds, election day was as much an opportunity to claim their stake in a new Iraq as to affirm their reluctance to be part of Iraq at all. In tents outside official polling stations, a movement demanding a referendum on Kurdish independence collected signatures with permission of the main Kurdish political parties, whose voters proclaim their desire for independence even as party leaders look to arrange the next best thing in the form of maximum autonomy from Baghdad. The flashpoint, of course, comes in cities where Kurds and Arabs (and in some cases Turkmen) compete for control, none more so than Kirkuk — the mainstream Kurdish parties are claiming as their own a city forcibly "Arabized" by Saddam Hussein, setting up a clash not only with resident Arabs and Turkomen but also with neighboring Turkey which is alarmed by any manifestation of Kurdish nationalism on its border. And right now, it's difficult to see how a new government, whose makeup is not yet determined, can stop tensions in Kirkuk from boiling over in scramble for post-election power.

If getting the U.S. out is one point of consensus between the radical Sunni Arab insurgents and the moderate Shiite Arab Islamists that look set to emerge with the largest share of Sunday’s vote, they also share a common hostility to Kurdish secessionism. Grand Ayatollah Sistani has made no secret of his hostility to the provisions of the Transitional Administrative Law — the interim constitution crafted under U.S. direction — that gives the Kurds an effective veto over a new constitution. The Kurd-Arab distinction may yet prove as powerful a destabilizing factor as the Sunni-Shiite one in the months ahead.

Iraq, or rather a large part of it, has spoken, no matter how imperfect the process. And as a result, the country's future appears to be up for grabs, with all players forced to rewrite their scripts. Now, it gets interesting.

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<font size="3">ANKARA - A senior US official Monday sought to ease Turkey's concerns that Iraqi Kurds were plotting to take control of the ethnically volatile oil-rich city of Kirkuk in northern Iraq and make it the capital of a future independent Kurdish state.

Douglas Feith, the US undersecretary of defense for policy, told reporters here that Washington supports the unity of Iraq and that the settlement of the dispute over Kirkuk would not be left to a certain ethnic group.

"The issue of Kirkuk is an important one... It is going to be worked on by the Iraqis from the point of view that this is not a matter for one group or another but for the Iraqi people in general. We support that view," Feith said after talks with Foreign Minister Abdullah Gul.

Feith underlined that Washington "strongly believes that it is crucial that the territorial integrity of Iraq be preserved... and that problems like Kirkuk be solved in a way that reinforces the unity and territorial integrity of the country."

In a newspaper interview published Monday, Gul warned that Turkey could be forced to take action if ethnic turmoil erupts in Kirkuk, which also has a large population of Turkmens, a community of Turkish origin.

Tens of thousands of Kurds said to have been expelled from Kirkuk under the regime of Saddam Hussein have settled in the city following the US-led occupation of Iraq in March 2003 and were allowed to vote in Sunday's elections.

Ankara says many of the settlers have no bonds with Kirkuk and sees the influx as part of a design to incorporate the city into the Kurdish enclave in northern Iraq.

Critics here believe that the population shift is taking place with the tacit approval of the United States, which has the Kurds among its closest allies in Iraq.

Many Kurds want to see Kirkuk, which has some of the largest oil resources in the country, as the capital of an independent Kurdish state, a nightmare scenario for Turkey.

Ankara fears that independence-minded Kurdish moves in northern Iraq could spill over the border to southeast Turkey, which is home to its own sizeable Kurdish community.

In their meeting Monday, Feith told Gul that "the United States understands Turkey's worries and is shaping all its policies regarding Iraq taking into account Turkey's concerns," a senior Turkish diplomat said.

Gul, for his part, renewed Ankara's frustration over the United States' failure to act against Turkish Kurd rebels who have found refuge in the mountains of northern Iraq after a bloody 15-year campaign for self-rule in adjoining southeast Turkey, the diplomat said.

Part of the rebels, members of the Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK), which is considered a terrorist group both by Ankara and Washington, have reportedly infiltrated Turkey to engage in renewed violence since the group called off a five-year unilateral ceasefire with Ankara last June.

Feith and Gul also discussed the situation in Afghanistan, where Turkey next month will take over the command of the NATO-led International Security Assistance Force, the struggle against the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction and the two countries' cooperation within NATO.

Feith was to meet with the number two of the Turkish general staff, Ilker Basbug, later in the day and with the secretary-general of the National Security Council, Yigit Alpogan, before leaving Ankara on Wednesday.


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American Imperialist have been down this "elections" road before.
Read this article from <font color="#ff0000">1967</font>. It is eerily prescient.</font>

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<font face="arial" size="4" color="#0000FF"><b>Officials Cite 83% Turnout Despite Vietcong Terror</b></font>
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<b>by Peter Grose, Special to the New York Times
<font color="#ff0000">September 4,1967</b></font>

WASHINGTON, Sept. 3, 1967-- United States officials were surprised and heartened today at the size of turnout in South Vietnam's presidential election despite a Vietcong terrorist campaign to disrupt the voting.

According to reports from Saigon, 83 per cent of the 5.85 million registered voters cast their ballots yesterday. Many of them risked reprisals threatened by the Vietcong.

The size of the popular vote and the inability of the Vietcong to destroy the election machinery were the two salient facts in a preliminary assessment of the nation election based on the incomplete returns reaching here.

Pending more detailed reports, neither the State Department nor the White House would comment on the balloting or the victory of the military candidates, Lieut. Gen. Nguyen Van Thieu, who was running for president, and Premier Nguyen Cao Ky, the candidate for vice president.

A successful election has long been seen as the keystone in President Johnson's policy of encouraging the growth of constitutional processes in South Vietnam. The election was the culmination of a constitutional development that began in January, 1966, to which President Johnson gave his personal commitment when he met Premier Ky and General Thieu, the chief of state, in Honolulu in February.

The purpose of the voting was to give legitimacy to the Saigon Government, which has been founded only on coups and power plays since November, 1963, when President Ngo Dinh Deim was overthrown by a military junta.

Few members of that junta are still around, most having been ousted or exiled in subsequent shifts of power.

<b><u>Significance Not Diminished</u></b>

The fact that the backing of the electorate has gone to the generals who have been ruling South Vietnam for the last two years does not, in the Administration's view, diminish the significance of the constitutional step that has been taken.

The hope here is that the new government will be able to maneuver with a confidence and legitimacy long lacking in South Vietnamese politics. That hope could have been dashed either by a small turnout, indicating widespread scorn or a lack of interest in constitutional development, or by the Vietcong's disruption of the balloting.

American officials had hoped for an 80 per cent turnout. That was the figure in the election in September for the Constituent Assembly. Seventy-eight per cent of the registered voters went to the polls in elections for local officials last spring.

Before the results of the presidential election started to come in, the American officials warned that the turnout might be less than 80 per cent because the polling place would be open for two or three hours less than in the election a year ago. The turnout of 83 per cent was a welcome surprise. The turnout in the 1964 United States Presidential election was 62 per cent.

Captured documents and interrogations indicated in the last week a serious concern among Vietcong leaders that a major effort would be required to render the election meaningless. This effort has not succeeded, judging from the reports from Saigon.

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BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) - Insurgents struck back with a vengeance <u>following a post-election lull</u>, killing at least 26 Iraqis and two Marines in new attacks, and the first partial election results, released Thursday, showed the Shiite cleric-endorsed ticket running strong as expected.

The partial results came from 1.6 million votes counted so far in Baghdad and five others of Iraq's 18 provinces. The United Iraqi Alliance, which is backed by the country's most influential Shiite cleric, Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani, had 1.1 million votes, and the list led by interim Prime Minister Ayad Allawi's list was second with more than 360,500 votes.

The figures showed the alliance leading over Allawi in all six provinces but were too small to indicate a national trend. The results came from 25 percent of the votes cast in Baghdad and partial counts from five Shiite-dominated provinces, where the Alliance had been expected to do well.

The commission has said it could take up to seven to 10 days from Sunday's election to produce full official results. So far, tallies from 10 percent of the country's polling stations have been counted, it said.


Seats in the 275-member National Assembly will be allocated by the percentage of the nationwide vote that each faction wins. Around 14 million Iraqis were eligible in the election, but turnout is still not known, so it was not known what percentage of the total vote 1.6 million ballots would be.

Iraqi election officials said Thursday they sent a team to Mosul to look into allegations of voting irregularities in Ninevah province, a largely Sunni region. Complaints have included polling stations running short of ballots, confusion over the poll locations and ongoing military operations. It was not clear how many voters were affected.

Shiites, who make up about 60 percent of Iraq's estimated 26 million people, turned out in large numbers in Sunday's balloting, eager to turn their majority into political power.

But many in the Sunni Arab minority stayed away, raising fears the outcome could further alienate them and continue to fuel the Sunni-led insurgency.

Insurgents had eased up on attacks following the elections, when American and Iraqi forces imposed sweeping security measures. But starting Wednesday night, guerrillas launched a string of dramatic attacks.


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<font size="6">The long road ahead for Iraq</font size>

<font size="4">Iraq must learn to bear foreign occupation for years to come.
For now, it seems unlikely that, shot of divine intervention,
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The News International - Pakistan
By Arif Azim
Saturday February 05, 2005-- Zil Haj 25, 1425 A.H</tt>

After fifty years of manhandling, the Iraqis finally had a taste of multiparty elections on Sunday. Although there were no independent observers to authenticate neutrality of the campaign, polling does appear to have been largely free and fair. Consequently, there is little premium on accusations from those political factions that called for a boycott simply because the elections were being conducted by occupation forces having vested interests.

Security concerns warranted that identities of contestants competing for office be withheld till the end of January, which would tend to raise concerns about choices available to voters. Preliminary signs indicate that turnout has been more than 70 percent, which compares favourably with the last Iraqi election that witnessed an incredible hundred percent voter turnout and a perfect score for Saddam. National Assembly seats will be allocated to more than 1,100 political entities on the basis of proportion of votes received. The United Iraqi Alliance, a Shiite electoral slate supported by Ayatollah Sistani, and the Iraqi List, a secular coalition steered by interim Prime Minister Ayad Allawi, are expected to collect a majority `of the seats. Kurdish parties, representing 20 percent of the nation, will perform well too since elections will bring forth long-awaited political stability in Kurdish areas.

The traditionally potent Sunni minority will almost certainly lose political clout by staying away from the ballot and fears of violence in Sunni areas. Thus there will be questions asked whether the assembly is wholly representative of the Iraqi nation. Boycott by Sunni factions and threats from insurgents that they would "wash the streets with voters' blood" kept substantial voters indoors. Accordingly, extensive security measures had to be put in place and 15,000 soldiers patrolled Baghdad alone, in tandem with bans on travel and weapons. As events turned out, these were hardly idle threats as spates of attacks on Sunday left at least twenty-nine people dead.

While the assembly will perform as parliament with authority to legislate and elect a president and two deputies, leading to the appointment of the prime minister, framing the constitution shall be the immediate item on the agenda. The constitution must be approved by August and ratified thereafter through a nation-wide referendum by October. Elections under the new constitution could be called by the end of the year. Whatever the eventual outcome, the elections mark a landmark achievement for Bush and his international coalition who have been embroiled in a bloody insurgency since walking over Saddam.

Impartial elections have been held. Job done, as the Brits would say. Not quite yet, according to the Americans. Regardless of the latest information that Iraq abandoned its chemical weapons programme as long back as 1991 and we know that no weapons of mass destruction have so far been found nor are likely to be unearthed, the Americans plan to stay. A call made by Democrat Senator Edward Kennedy for Bush to present a roadmap for withdrawal of troops, and to pull out at least 12,000 troops in the first instance, has been brushed aside as a mere frivolity by Republican hawks.

There are visible concerns in the US whether coalition troops are any safer after elections even if they provide a mere supportive role to indigenous security forces. A UN mandate calls for the presence of multinational forces to be reviewed in June, unless the Iraqi government specifically requests a review earlier. Despite 1,433 American casualties since the start of the war, and the ominous possibility that fatalities could grow if occupation is not rolled back, the message has gone out loud and clear that there will be no significant troop reductions until ground conditions are ripe to allow withdrawal.

Condoleezza Rice has stated categorically that there is no question of a timeframe to recall 150,000 American troops and explained that the issue of how long they will remain in Iraq is linked with the time-scale of equipping Iraq with the wherewithal to police a democratic, stable environment. She mentioned that the United States could discuss need for outside security forces with the newly elected Iraqi government -- as if this means anything.

According to Rice the 120,000 or Iraqi security personnel (including more than 50,000 police so far trained) do not constitute sufficient capacity to maintain law and order. What this essentially means is that a larger, well-equipped and indoctrinated Iraqi armed force would have the dual function of not only preserving peace but also interfering with the democratic process should there be signs of divergence from long-term American objectives.

Coalition forces in Iraq include about 24,000 troops from other countries. There are increasing indications that most of the twenty-eight coalition partners had been waiting for elections and not deployment of trained Iraqi forces to start calling their soldiers home. If that happens, the Americans are prepared to go it alone, although it will cost them heavily in financial terms. There appears to be an unaffordable budget gap to fund the cost of keeping American troops in Iraq and Congress will have to sanction huge appropriations to finance an extended stay.

The Iraqi nation has suffered enough misery over the last two decades under a brutal dictatorship, two wars, extremely tough economic sanctions and the ultimate insult of foreign occupation. What lies ahead is another rough ride. There are calls for the Sunnis to defy a Shiite government that will be formed to frame the constitution and hold fresh elections under a new social contract. The elected government must therefore gain credibility by inviting those parties that refused to be a part of the election process to participate in writing the constitution and provide a basis for a more definitive and inclusive election. Iraq is burdened with fast deteriorating sectarian and ethnic divides between the Sunnis and Shias and between the Kurds and everyone else that can create insurmountable obstacles on the path to political and economic stability. Most significantly, the nation must bear the bane of foreign occupation especially since it would seem that the Americans will be dislodged only through divine intervention.



The writer is a freelance columnist. Email: hhkidglove@yahoo.co.uk

http://jang.com.pk/thenews/feb2005-daily/05-02-2005/oped/o3.htm
 
Iraq army 'intimidated by rebels'

Iraqi security forces are losing men because of "severe intimidation" by rebels, a top US general has said.

Lt Gen David Petraeus, in charge of training Iraqi troops, said few of the 90 battalions were at full strength.

He referred to incidents where soldiers returning from leave had been killed by rebels, but he did not say how many troops had deserted because of threats.

In the latest violence, four Iraqi soldiers were killed on Saturday when their patrol was attacked in Basra.

A booby-trapped motorcycle exploded near their vehicle in the southern city, an army spokesman said.

The US general said 136,000 Iraqi soldiers and police officers were now trained and equipped.

The US is helping to train Iraqi forces so they can eventually take over security and allow US troops to leave.

Privately, officials say everything depends on just how tenacious rebels turn out to be - but the American public ought to be ready for their troops to stay in Iraq for years, reports the BBC's Adam Brookes at the Pentagon.

But the US casualties continue to rise as well. Two US soldiers were killed and four injured in a roadside bomb near the northern Iraqi town of Baiji on Friday night, the US military said.

'Real challenge'

Gen Petraeus said 88 Iraqi battalions were conducting operations. But he conceded that few of those units were at full strength.

"Not all have every vehicle or piece of unit equipment," Gen Petraeus told Pentagon reporters via video link from Baghdad.

"And some are still receiving replacements from combat casualties and losses suffered due to severe intimidation."

He highlighted the particular challenge for US and Iraq forces in insurgent strongholds north and west of Baghdad.

"This is an area where the insurgents were actually cutting the heads off soldiers that were trying to come back from leave and so forth," Gen Petraeus said.

"It was a real challenge during that time but we've turned a corner with that and as I said, a substantial number of soldiers are heading to those units."

Doubts

But some independent analysts in Washington question the general's numbers, our correspondent reports.

The Center for Strategic and International Studies says it has found that only handful of Iraqi police and military battalions are able to fight independently.

US Deputy Defence Secretary Paul Wolfowitz told Congress on Thursday that Iraqi units, on average, had absentee rates of about 40%.

The Bush administration has not given a timetable for the withdrawal of US troops.

Following last weekend's election in Iraq, the US has announced it will reduce troop levels by 15,000. It expects to keep 135,000 troops in Iraq throughout the year.

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Top Iraq Shiites Exert Influence on Constitution

The leaders want their faith to be enshrined as the national religion, governing marriage, divorce and family inheritance.

NAJAF, Iraq, Feb. 4 - With religious Shiite parties poised to take power in the new constitutional assembly, leading Shiite clerics are pushing for Islam to be enshrined in the new constitution.

Exactly how Islamic to make the document is the subject of debate.

At the very least, the clerics say, the constitution should ensure that legal measures overseeing personal matters like marriage, divorce and family inheritance fall under Shariah, or Koranic law. For example, daughters would receive half the inheritances of sons under that law.

On other issues, opinion varies, with the more conservative leaders insisting that Shariah be the foundation for all legislation.

Such a constitution would be a sharp departure from the transitional law that the Americans enacted before appointing the interim Iraqi government led by Prime Minister Ayad Allawi. American officials pressed Iraqi politicians drafting that law in early 2004 to guarantee equal rights for women and minorities. The Americans also persuaded the authors to designate Islam as just "a source" of legislation.

That irked senior Shiite clerics here, who, confident they now have a popular mandate from the elections, are advocating for Islam to be recognized as the underpinning of the government. They also insist that the Americans stay away from the writing of the new constitution.

The clerics' demands underscore the biggest question surrounding the new government: How Islamic will it be?

Many factors could force the clerics to compromise their vision. The alliance of Shiite politicians in the constitutional assembly could splinter as its members vie against one another for power and trade favors with rival politicians like Dr. Allawi. Too strong a push for a Shiite religious state could prompt opposition from the former governing Sunni Arabs, a minority that already has said it feels disenfranchised, or from the Kurds, who can exercise veto power over the new constitution.

And Shiite politicians, recognizing a possible backlash from secular leaders and the Americans, have publicly promised not to install a theocracy similar to that of Iran, or allow clerics to run the country.

But the clerics of Najaf, the holiest city of Shiite Islam, have emerged as the greatest power in the new Iraq. They forced the Americans to conform to their timetable for a political process. Their standing was bolstered last Sunday by the high turnout among Shiite voters and a widespread boycott by the Sunni Arabs, and the clerics will now wield considerable behind-the-scenes influence in the writing of the constitution through their coalition built around religious parties.

Once official election results are tallied, that coalition - a huge slate of Shiite candidates called the United Iraqi Alliance - is expected to take the largest share of seats in the 275-member National Assembly. The assembly is charged with appointing an executive government, drafting a constitution and preparing the country for full-term elections by the end of the year.

"The constitution is the most dangerous document in the country and the most important one affecting the future of the country," said Alaadeen Muhammad al-Hakim, a son of and spokesman for Grand Ayatollah Muhammad Said al-Hakim, one of the most senior Shiite clerics in Iraq. "It should be written extremely carefully."

The leading Shiite clerics say they have no intention of taking executive office and following the Iranian model of wilayat al-faqih, or direct governance by religious scholars. But the clerics also say the Shiite politicians ultimately answer to them, and that the top religious leaders, collectively known as the marjaiya, will shape the constitution through the politicians.

Some effects are already being felt locally. In Basra, the second-largest city in Iraq, where one of Ayatollah Sistani's closest aides has enormous influence, Shiite religious parties have been transforming the city into an Islamic fief since the toppling of Mr. Hussein. Militias have driven alcohol sellers off the streets. Women are harassed if they walk the streets in anything less than head-to-head black. Conservative judges are invoking Shariah in some courts.

"The opinion of the marjaiya will be raised through its representatives in the national assembly," said Sheik Abbas Khalifa, a senior aide to Ayatollah Muhammad Yacoubi, one of the most politically active clerics here. Ayatollah Yacoubi's organization is part of the Shiite alliance and could get nine or more seats in the national assembly. "The first thing the marjaiya wants to see in the constitution is respect for everybody and maintenance of Islamic identity."

"The marjaiya advise the United States to respect the will of the marjaiya and the will of the people when they write the constitution," Sheik Khalifa added. "The marjaiya said there must be an election, and because the Americans kept postponing it, there was destruction and failure in Iraq."

It was the country's most revered Shiite cleric, Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani, who initially demanded speedy elections, knowing that a popular vote would bring to power a legitimate government run by the majority Shiites. When the Bush administration objected, the ayatollah forced the White House to back down by calling protesters into the streets of Iraq.

Ayatollah Sistani's power was felt again when his office assembled the United Iraqi Alliance and exhorted voters to turn out last Sunday.

Though the alliance could be threatened by power struggles, Ayatollah Sistani will urge the politicians to work together in the writing of the constitution, clerics say.

"Sistani and the other grand ayatollahs will press for as much Shariah - or Islamic law - as possible in Iraqi law," said Juan Cole, a history professor and specialist in Shiite Islam at the University of Michigan. "They can afford to be patient if they can't push through everything now."

Adnan Zurfi, the governor of Najaf and a former student in the Shiite seminary here, said of the clerics: "The most important thing for them is to write the constitution. This is why they supported the elections."

The clerics generally agree that the constitution must ensure that no laws passed by the state contradict a basic understanding of Shariah as laid out in the Koran. Women should not be treated as the equals of men in matters of marriage, divorce and family inheritance, they say. Nor should men be prevented from having multiple wives, they add.

One tenet of Shariah mandates that in dividing family property, male children get twice as much as female children.

"We don't want to see equality between men and women because according to Islamic law, men should have double of women," said Muhammad Kuraidy, a spokesman for Ayatollah Yacoubi. "This is written in the Koran and according to God."

The Americans have actively pushed for equality for women. In the elections last Sunday, many women voted, and the clerics have not publicly objected to that right, nor have they criticized a clause in the transitional law that sets quotas for women in the national assembly.

But Sheik Khalifa, Ayatollah Yacoubi's senior aide, said the ayatollah did not want the constitution to be linked to the transitional law whose writing was overseen by the Americans.

"There was no clear point about Islam," he said. "It just said that Islam should be respected. But we want a legal article that states frankly that no laws should violate Islamic law.

A State Department official said the United States "would urge an inclusive and participatory process," but that for now the Bush administration was simply watching the debate unfold. "This is an Iraqi process," said Edgar Vasquez, a State Department spokesman.

A former administration official said the White House was relying on veto power by the Kurds and possibly the Sunni Arabs to limit any moves toward a Shiite theocracy. But "this isn't going to be Jeffersonian democracy," he said, "and we are naïve to think the Iraqis can draft a constitution and build a democracy without at least tipping a hat to the role of Islam." Even under the formal American occupation, the Shiite religious parties - the same ones expected to wield great power in the new assembly - almost managed to enshrine Shariah as the basis for personal law. That took place in December 2003, when the 25-member Iraqi Governing Council voted in a private session to repeal a relatively secular family law used under Saddam Hussein and replace it with Shariah. Women's groups staged street protests the next month, and L. Paul Bremer III, the top American administrator at the time, vetoed the move.

But with the unpopularity of the mullahs in Iran serving as a stark reminder, some moderate clerics say they recognize that unrest may ensue if Islamic law is applied injudiciously.

Muhammad al-Haboubi, a senior aide to Ayatollah Sistani, said the top priority in the writing of the constitution was "the preservation of the rights of all citizens, majority or minority, so they are all equal in the eyes of the law."

But "the percentage of the Muslim majority should be considered when writing the constitution," Mr. Haboubi said. "Public freedoms should be regulated based on the country's Islamic character."

For example, he said, alcohol sales should be restricted out of "consideration of the feelings of the Muslim majority," but should not be banned because non-Muslims live in Iraq.

On the more radical end of the spectrum, Moktada al-Sadr, the young firebrand cleric who has led uprisings against the Americans, wants Islam enshrined as the national religion and Shariah recognized as the law of the state, said Sheik Ali Smesim, Mr. Sadr's top aide.

"The religious people should have a role in writing the constitution," he said. "Islamic law is so broad, and Shiite Islamic law has so many branches. There is an answer from Islam for everything in society."

The Sadrists have been carrying around a pamphlet with a suggested Iraqi constitution written last year by Ayatollah Kadhum Hussein al-Haeri, a prominent cleric who is Mr. Sadr's godfather. The Iraqi Army should allow only Muslims into its ranks, the ayatollah wrote, and all proposed laws should be reviewed by a 12-member constitutional committee similar to the Council of Guardians in Iran. Half the committee members would be clerics appointed by the marjaiya, and the other half would be Islamic lawyers.

"The infidel coalition forces want to make a constitution for our dear Iraq and carry out their infidel agenda through the current government," Ayatollah Haeri wrote. "This is the most dangerous thing for Iraq and Islam. They want to change our identity, habits, morals and Islamic way of life."

The pamphlet was given to a reporter at a mosque here by Sahib Obeid al-Amiri, a Sadr official. "It's possible the national assembly could take some ideas from here," he said. "They cannot ignore this book."

But how much Islamic influence the clerics manage to get into the constitution could come down to the sentiments of ordinary Iraqis. Mr. Hussein spent much of his rule molding Iraq into one of the most secular nations in the Middle East. That indoctrination is not easily cast off, even by some residents of Najaf. "There are some people who are close to Iran, who lean toward Iran," said Shakir Mahmoud Abdul-Hussein, 47, a union leader who voted for the secular slate led by Dr. Allawi. "Those with turbans will ruin our country. They just want to permit things for themselves and not for others."

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/02/06/i...fb2cb127d24&hp&ex=1107666000&partner=homepage
 
The situation in Iraq is riduculous.

It's funny seeing how Bush and his administration will not admit the country is fucked up.

Peace.
 
It may be easily forgotten in the post-election spin that Sunday's vote was not the Bush administration's idea—quite the contrary.

That's the key bit of info right there. While Bush and his dickriders are all running around like they accomplished something because the turnout was so high and the media is blindly reporting how the Iraqi people were eager to vote in the first steps of a democracy what is lost is that Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani forced these elections to happen.

Sistani knew the Sunni's wouldn't vote in defiance of the U.S. and that just on his say so a large majority of Shiites would turn out to vote. All those smiling people with their purple fingers weren't happy over free elections, they were happy because they served their religious leader and by proxy did the bidding of Allah. I want to see how Bush tries to spin this disaster into a positive when it becomes obvious that the Iraqi constitution is going to be drafted by religious fundamentalists.
 
Brown Hornet said:
........what is lost is that Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani forced these elections to happen......

.......I want to see how Bush tries to spin this disaster into a positive when it becomes obvious that the Iraqi constitution is going to be drafted by religious fundamentalists.

Thats what I'am waiting for too!

Peace. :cool:
 
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Iraq electoral commission admits ballot box irregularities

BAGHDAD (AFP) - An inquiry by the Iraqi electoral commission reported that there had been irregularities with some 40 ballot boxes used in the January 30 election in Nineveh province around the main northern city of Mosul.

"A total of 435 ballot boxes used in Nineveh province did not pose any problems, they were opened and their ballots added to the election tally," the commission said Monday.

"Another 40 ballot boxes have led to complaints and appeals, or were not sealed in conformity with the instructions, which obliged us to transfer them to the national office in Baghdad to open a probe."

Dozens of Nineveh residents demonstrated in Baghdad Sunday calling on the commission to organise a new vote in some of the province's towns. Deputy governor Khasro Goran said several areas had not received ballot papers on polling day.

"On election day, the commission received many calls from its representatives in Nineveh and several political parties claiming that some regions had not received electoral equipment on time," the commission said.

Its investigation found that only in Bartalla, a town east of Mosul with 15,188 electors, did the vote not take place.

Equipment was delivered but electoral staff were "not able to reach the polling stations due to security reasons," the commission said.

The inquiry also found that armed groups had attacked electoral workers and stolen equipment. In one incident, gunmen stole ballot papers before handing them back with candidate lists already ticked off.

The commission is still tallying votes from the election. Partial results give the main Shiite alliance a commanding lead over all of its rivals.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20050207/wl_mideast_afp/iraqvotemosulflaws
 
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Tens of Thousands of Iraqis May Have Missed Vote

BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Tens of thousands of Iraqis, notably in restive Sunni Arab areas, may have been denied their right to vote on Sunday because of insufficient ballots and polling centers, officials said.

Iraq (news - web sites) began compiling election results from around the country on Tuesday after a barrage of election day attacks by Sunni militants failed to deter millions from voting.

But officials said many Iraqis arrived late to find ballot sheets had run out, possibly skewing results for the already disgruntled minority.

Iraq's interim president Ghazi al-Yawar said extra ballots had to be supplied to Iraq's third city of Mosul, which is mainly Sunni Arab, after twice running out on election day.

"Also, tens of thousands were unable to cast their votes because of the lack of ballots in Basra, Baghdad, and Najaf," said Yawar, a Sunni Arab with a large tribal following.

Iraq's Independent Electoral Commission acknowledged that some Iraqis were unable to vote because pre-election intimidation in two Sunni Arab provinces hampered preparations.

"The elections took place under difficult conditions and this undoubtedly deprived a number of citizens in a number of areas from voting," said Hussein al-Hindawi, who heads the Commission that organized the poll.

"The security situation was difficult in these areas and there may have been a shortage of materials in this area or that... Some centers were opened quickly, at the last moment."

Hindawi said the Commission was setting up an external committee comprising of three Iraqi lawyers to investigate all complaints. Each case would be explained in a detailed report.

BALLOTS OUT

Although Iraqis braved insurgent threats and streamed to the polls in many places, particularly the Shi'ite south and Kurdish north, turnout was low in the central Sunni heartland where the guerrillas are strongest -- highlighting the dangerous sectarian divisions facing the new government.

Mishaan Jibouri, a candidate and national assembly member, accused the Commission of deliberately supplying insufficient materials in some Sunni areas, believing few would vote.

Arab voters who initially intended to boycott the polls in the ethnically-mixed city of Kirkuk had apparently changed their minds after realizing they would lose to Kurds. But by the time they arrived to vote, ballot sheets were gone, he said.

"I think the decision came from Baghdad. They were concerned with keeping Sunnis out of the game," he said.

Jibouri said ballot sheets were 36,000-40,000 short in Hawija, a largely Sunni Arab area southwest of oil-rich Kirkuk, where Kurds say they were targeted by a campaign of killings.

He estimated a shortfall of 28,000 ballot papers in Baiji, a northern Sunni city, and 6,000 in nearby Shirqat.

"I had a large number of voters in these areas. I am sure we will be in parliament, but if these people had been able to vote we would have won more seats," he said.

Of 5,244 polling centers planned, 28 had not opened, many in western Baghdad, due to poor security, the Commission said.

While there were 63,000 polling booths across Iraq, there were just 33,763 independent local monitors and 622 international monitors, it said.

Hussein al-Mousawi, an official of the Shi'ite Political Council running on the main Shi'ite ticket that is expected to have won most votes, said the longer results took the more he suspected foul play to curtail his list's predicted dominance.

Final results are not expected for up to another week.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm...0050201/wl_nm/iraq_election_irregularities_dc
 
View emerging of Shiite-ruled Iraq

A leading contender to be Iraq's next prime minister says the government should not allow laws that conflict with Islam.

BAGHDAD - The preliminary count from Iraq (news - web sites)'s election last week confirms that the main Shiite slate will dominate the new parliament. The only suspense left is how great its dominance will be.

Now, slowly and cautiously, the leading Shiite politicians in the United Iraqi Alliance are beginning to lay out their political demands and expectations.

Iraq's next prime minister will probably be a member of their coalition - not Iyad Allawi, the current interim prime minister and America's favorite. And Islam, they say, will play a bigger role in government than ever before in modern Iraq.

"In the process of deciding the next prime minister we have to start from the results of the election and not neglect people's votes," says Ibrahim Jaafari, a leading contender to be Iraq's next prime minister and now the head of the Dawa Party, one of the two Shiite movements that make up the backbone of the UIA.

"Thirty-six [voters] were lost in the election, and millions more bravely voted, so we have to give them proof that their demands will be met," he says, adding that his list should take the prime minister's post. "We also shouldn't have anything that conflicts with Islam. Islam is the religion of the majority, so it should be the official religion of the state."

Preliminary returns from 10 of Iraq's 18 provinces show the UIA with about two-thirds of the vote, with Mr. Allawi's party a distant second. While two-thirds would be enough for the UIA to form a government on its own, all 10 provinces have large Shiite populations, and the UIA's share of the vote is likely to dip when results are released Thursday.

Comments by Jaafari and other Shiite leaders indicate the US may not get all it wanted out of the vote. Some American diplomats hope Allawi, a secular Shiite, could emerge as a compromise prime minister. In drawing up Iraq's interim constitution last year, US officials and secular Iraqi allies also worked hard to deemphasize the role of Islam.

Jaafari says electoral results and informal polling among Iraqis about favored leaders should also guide the choice of prime minister. Allawi's standing has slipped in recent polls, while Jaafari has always ranked near the top as one of Iraq's most recognized and popular politicians.

"Based on the polling, it definitely won't be Iyad [Allawi],'' Jaafari says.

Many weeks and months of hard bargaining lie ahead for Iraq's 275-member assembly, which could sit as soon as the end of the month, and it is difficult to project precisely where those negotiations will lead.

"We don't know what's going to happen yet - in politics things are changing all the time,'' says Hamid al-Bayati, a deputy foreign minister and a leader of the Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution in Iraq (SCIRI), the other major faction in the UIA list.

Nevertheless, Mr. Bayati says there are three leading figures to be Iraq's next prime minister, and all are from the UIA: Jaafari, Finance Minister Adel Abdel Mehdi, and Ahmed Chalabi, a secular Shiite and former Pentagon (news - web sites) favorite. "Mr. Chalabi isn't necessarily as strong a candidate as the other two, but he's put his name forward,'' says Bayati.

Another name that is frequently mentioned for Iraq's top post is Hussein al-Shahrastani, a nuclear scientist who is close to Iraq's most popular religious figure, Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani.

Mr. Sistani does not want clerics to be involved directly in running the government, but hopes that loyal Shiite lay people will take directives from religious leaders when writing Iraq's new laws.

"The Koran should be the main basis for writing the constitution,'' says Ali al-Waedh, Sistani's representative in the Baghdad district of Khadimiya. "We should not be politicians, but if there are some things in the constitution that conflict with Islam, then the marjaiyah [leading Shiite scholars] will reject it."

Sistani and Iraq's mainstream clerics do not want an Iranian-style theocracy, but there's a wide gulf between rejecting the Iranian system and wanting a secular state. "We will not follow the Iranian experience - we will have freedom here,'' says Mr. Waedh. "But when we consider things like family law, Muslims must follow the sharia. For non-Muslims, they will be free to choose other methods."

Iraq's route from occupation to full sovereignty is largely guided by the Transitional Administrative Law, an interim constitution that was written by the US and its appointed Governing Council last year.

Mr. Jaafari, a medical doctor who lived in exile in London until the regime fell, says he wants a key provision of that law tossed out. It says that if two-thirds of the population in three Iraqi provinces reject Iraq's new constitution, it will be scrapped. The provision was added to assuage the fear of the ethnic Kurds, who largely inhabit three northern provinces. The so-called "Kurdish veto" could also help Iraq's Sunni Arabs, concentrated in three central provinces.

Bayati, who participated in writing the transitional document, says he doesn't think the Kurdish veto will be scrapped. But other things will change, he says. One sticking point was changes to the law that gave women equal inheritance rights to men. But the Koran is specific that men should inherit more than women, and "this will have be altered."

However, Bayati says he doesn't expect the emerging government will be dogmatic. For instance alcohol, which is forbidden in Islam, will probably remain legal. It's that degree of flexibility that holds hope that while Iraq's Shiites will be the dominant force in the emerging order, they won't impose rules on Iraq's divided population that could lead to more conflict.

"We're a majority but we have to be careful that we don't create other problems, like political isolation or breed more terrorism,'' Jaafari says.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=2352&ncid=2352&e=8&u=/csm/20050207/ts_csm/ojockey

Sounds promising if this is more than political rhetoric. The idea of seperate and distinctive laws for varying ethnic groups, will be an extremely difficult challenge, I believe.
 
Insurgency predicted to survive for years

By Liz Sly Tribune foreign correspondent

Iraq (news - web sites)'s insurgency will last many years, a senior U.S. official in Baghdad predicted Wednesday, tempering expectations that the success of the recent election would help end the violence that still threatens to undermine Iraq's journey toward democracy.

"I think it's going to take quite a number of years. I do not see any early end," the official said, in a sober assessment of the likely impact of the election on an insurgency fueled largely by Sunni resentment of the political process.

Iraq's Electoral Commission still has not finished counting the ballots, and officials said Wednesday that the final result, expected Thursday, would be delayed several days because of a variety of alleged discrepancies surrounding some ballot boxes.

Ballots from about 300 boxes will be recounted because of the allegations, which include suspicions of tampering, ballot stuffing and other irregularities. It wasn't clear how many votes will be affected by the review, but many of the boxes are believed to have come from the mostly Sunni province of Nineveh, home to the restive city of Mosul.

According to the last partial tally, the greatest share of votes has gone to a coalition of Shiite parties, with an alliance of the main Kurdish parties in second place, leaving Sunnis with little representation in the National Assembly that will form the next government and write the constitution.

No overall turnout figures have been released, but the partial returns and the size of the vote received by the Shiite and Kurdish alliances suggest few Sunnis voted, calling into question their likely acceptance of the new government that will be formed.

Although the insurgency failed in its threat to significantly disrupt the voting, it is also becoming clear that the election is unlikely to make a major dent in the insurgency's base of support, an assortment of committed Islamic radicals and former regime supporters as well as disaffected Sunnis opposed to the U.S. presence.

The American official, briefing reporters in Baghdad on condition of anonymity, said that the insurgency will not be defeated by military means alone and that a political settlement that gives Sunnis reason to have faith in the democratic process also will be needed.

"The most optimistic scenario is that you have on the one hand a set of political developments that increasingly convince Sunnis that they can live successfully and be reasonably well protected . . . not as an oppressed minority," he said. "And militarily you put more and more pressure on--and then it will still take years.

"It is political and military. They are not alternatives," he added.

However, he predicted that within a year, Iraq's regenerated security forces will be well placed to take on the bulk of the responsibility for fighting the insurgency, with U.S. troops playing a backup role. "I think we will make a lot of progress in the next year to having Iraqis in the lead," he said.

After a brief postelection lull, the pace of the violence has picked up. On Wednesday, a journalist, a government official and three politicians were assassinated and a top police officer was abducted from his car in Baghdad.

The journalist, Abdul Hussein Khazal, was the Basra correspondent for the U.S.-funded Al-Hurra television network in Iraq, a member of a Shiite political party and a spokesman for the local council, leaving it unclear precisely why he was targeted. He was gunned down by assailants at his home in Basra along with his 3-year-old son.

A director general of the Housing Ministry was shot dead in Baghdad, and a member of the Kurdish Democratic Party was killed when the car in which he was traveling with three colleagues was ambushed on the capital's notoriously violent Haifa Street, The Associated Press reported.

Two U.S. soldiers were killed, one in an attack on his patrol in Balad, north of Baghdad, and another by a gunshot wound in Balad, the U.S. military said.

The military also announced Wednesday that a U.S. soldier was killed Sunday in Mosul when his patrol came under fire.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm...cagotrib/insurgencypredictedtosurviveforyears

Iraq's Electoral Commission still has not finished counting the ballots, and officials said Wednesday that the final result, expected Thursday, would be delayed several days because of a variety of alleged discrepancies surrounding some ballot boxes.

Discrepancies, like Allawi, getting crushed by a non-secular shi'ite political coalition.
 
Turkey Expresses Concern Over Iraq Vote

By SUZAN FRASER, Associated Press Writer

ANKARA, Turkey - Turkey urged Iraqi electoral officials and the United Nations (news - web sites) to examine what it claimed were skewed Iraqi elections results released Sunday, saying it was particularly concerned about vote tallies in the oil-rich and ethnically mixed city of Kirkuk.

Turkey has long complained that Kurdish groups were illegally moving Kurds into Kirkuk, a strategic northern city, in an effort to tip the city's population balance in their favor.

Turkish officials did not make direct reference to the Kurds on Sunday, but the Turkish Foreign Ministry said in a statement that voter turnout in some regions was low and charged that there were "imbalanced results" in several regions, including Kirkuk.

"It has emerged that certain elements have tried to influence the voting and have made unfair gains from this," the statement said, in an apparent reference to the Kurds. "As a result the Iraqi Interim Parliament won't reflect the true proportions of Iraqi society."

Ankara fears that Kurdish domination of Kirkuk and oil fields near the city would make a Kurdish state in northern Iraq (news - web sites) viable. Such a state, Turkish officials warn, could further inspire Turkey's own rebellious Kurds, who have been battling the Turkish army in southeastern Turkey since 1984.

Hoshiyar Zebari, a Kurd who is Iraq's interim foreign minister, said Turkey had no cause for concern over strong Kurdish showing in Iraq's elections.

"Definitely all their fears are misplaced," he told CNN. "Iraq will remain united. This Kurdish participation in this Iraqi elections and in the regional election is reaffirmation of their commitment to a national unity of the country."

He said Kurds were seeking a democratic and pluralistic within a federal and united Iraq.

"There is no conspiracy here," he said. "Turkey should have no fears whatsoever about the future of Iraq remaining a friendly country to them, united but respecting the diversity of Iraqi society."

The Turkish statement called on the election board to seriously consider objections to the vote and urged the United Nations to take a "more active role" and ensure that "the flaws, the disorder and irregularities" of the poll were not repeated when Iraqis vote on a new constitution later this year.

Iraq's majority Shiite Muslims won nearly half the votes in the Jan. 30 election, giving the community significant power but not enough parliamentary seats to form a government on its own.

Two key Kurdish parties gained just over a quarter of votes cast, giving them considerable support in the national assembly to preserve Kurdish autonomy in northern Iraq.

In Kirkuk, Kurds took to the streets to celebrate the results of the election. Cars sped through the streets blaring their horns and waving Kurdistan flags through a city that is fiercely divided between Sunni Muslim Arabs and Kurds.

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=sto...p_on_re_mi_ea/turkey_iraq_elections&printer=1
 
Split Verdict in Iraqi Vote Sets Stage for Weak Government
By DEXTER FILKINS

BAGHDAD, Iraq, Feb. 13 - The razor-thin margin apparently captured by the Shiite alliance here in election results announced Sunday seems almost certain to enshrine a weak government that will be unable to push through sweeping changes, like granting Islam a central role in the new Iraqi state.

The verdict handed down by Iraqi voters in the Jan. 30 election appeared to be a divided one, with the Shiite political alliance, backed by the clerical leadership in Najaf, opposed in nearly equal measure by an array of mostly secular minority parties.

According to Iraqi leaders here, the fractured mandate almost certainly heralds a long round of negotiating, in which the Shiite alliance will have to strike deals with parties run by the Kurds and others, most of which are secular and broadly opposed to an enhanced role for Islam or an overbearing Shiite government.

The main responsibility of the Iraqi government over the next 10 months will be the drafting of a permanent constitution, which must pass a vote of the assembly and then be put to a vote of the people later this year. The role of Islam is widely expected to be one of the most contentious issues.

The results of the balloting appeared to leave Kurdish leaders, whose party captured more than a quarter of the assembly seats, in a particularly strong position to shape the next government. The Kurds are America's closest allies in Iraq, and most of their leaders are of a strong secular bent.

Among the demands that the Kurds and other groups will put to Shiite leaders as the price for their cooperation will be an insistence on a more secular state and concessions on Kirkuk, the ethnically divided city that Kurdish leaders want to integrate into their regional government. Kurdish leaders also say they will insist that the Iraqi president be a Kurd.

The prospect of a divided national assembly, split between religious and secular parties, also appeared to signal a continuing role for the American government, which already maintains 150,000 troops here, to help broker disputes.

As the final vote totals were being announced Sunday, Shiite leaders appeared to be scaling back their expectations, and preparing to reach out to parties in the opposition to help them form a new government.

"We have to compromise," said Adnan Ali, a senior leader in the Dawa party, one of the largest in the Shiite coalition, called the United Iraqi Alliance. "Even though we have a majority, we will need other groups to form a government."

The vote tally, which appeared to leave the Shiite alliance with about 140 of the national assembly's 275 seats, fell short of what Shiite leaders had been expecting, and seemed to blunt some of the triumphant talk that could already be heard in some corners. The final results seemed to ease fears among Iraq's Sunni, Kurd and Christian minorities that the leadership of the Shiite majority might feel free to ignore minority concerns, and possibly fall under the sway of powerful clerics, some of whom advocate the establishment of a strict Islamic state.

As a result, some Iraqi leaders predicted Sunday that the Shiite alliance would try to form a "national unity government," containing Kurdish and Sunni leaders, as well as secular Shiites, possibly including the current prime minister, Ayad Allawi. Such a leadership would all but ensure that no decisions would be taken without a broad national consensus.

One senior Iraqi official, a non-Shiite who spoke on the condition of anonymity, said the slim majority won by the Shiite alliance signaled even greater obstacles for the Shiite parties in the future. If the Sunni Arabs, who largely boycotted the election, decide to take part in the future, they would almost certainly dilute the Shiite alliance's already thin margin.

"This is the height of the Shiite vote," the Iraqi official said. "The next election assumes Sunni participation, and you will see an entirely different dynamic then."

The main factor ensuring a relatively cautious Shiite majority is the complicated mechanism controlling the formation of the government. Under the rules, the prime minister will be selected by a president and two deputies, who must be approved by a two-thirds vote of the assembly. Practically speaking, that means the prime minister will have to be approved by a two-thirds vote. The Shiite alliance has nowhere near that many seats.

Iraqi leaders who are not part of the Shiite alliance say that in exchange for their support for a Shiite prime minister, they could set strict conditions on several key issues, like the role of religion in the constitution and the power of regional governments.

Under the interim constitution agreed upon last year, Islam is one of many sources of legislation, not the only source, as was advocated by some Shiite leaders.

Barham Salih, the deputy prime minister and a prominent Kurdish leader, reiterated his group's support for a limited role for Islam in the new constitution and broad powers for the Kurds to run their own affairs. He also said the Kurds would insist that Shiite leaders agree to a Kurdish president, probably Jalal Talabani, the leader of the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan, one of the main Kurdish political parties in the north.

The selection of a Kurdish president would most likely inflame the Sunnis in Iraq as well as nearly all other governments in the Arab world, which are dominated by Sunnis.

"If Talabani were rejected merely because of his ethnicity, then this would be relegating Kurds to the status of second-class citizens," Mr. Salih said. "And this is something that we would not accept."

Indeed, the stage seemed set for several days of intensive negotiations to determine the shape of the next government. With that in mind, Iraq's Shiite leaders sounded a conciliatory tone.

"This is a stage in Iraqi history when everyone must participate," said Haitham al-Husseini, a leader of the Shiite alliance. "We don't want to be the dominating power in the country."

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/02/14/i...&en=7434d4e2dbe003df&ei=5094&partner=homepage
 
Iraq Winners Allied With Iran Are the Opposite of U.S. Vision

By Robin Wright
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, February 14, 2005; Page A08

When the Bush administration decided to invade Iraq two years ago, it envisioned a quick handover to handpicked allies in a secular government that would be the antithesis of Iran's theocracy -- potentially even a foil to Tehran's regional ambitions.

But, in one of the greatest ironies of the U.S. intervention, Iraqis instead went to the polls and elected a government with a strong religious base -- and very close ties to the Islamic republic next door. It is the last thing the administration expected from its costly Iraq policy -- $300 billion and counting, U.S. and regional analysts say.

Yesterday, the White House heralded the election and credited the U.S. role. In a statement, President Bush praised Iraqis "for defying terrorist threats and setting their country on the path of democracy and freedom. And I congratulate every candidate who stood for election and those who will take office once the results are certified."

Yet the top two winning parties -- which together won more than 70 percent of the vote and are expected to name Iraq's new prime minister and president -- are Iran's closest allies in Iraq.

Thousands of members of the United Iraqi Alliance, a Shiite-dominated slate that won almost half of the 8.5 million votes and will name the prime minister, spent decades in exile in Iran. Most of the militia members in its largest faction were trained in Shiite-dominated Iran.

And the winning Kurdish alliance, whose co-leader Jalal Talabani is the top nominee for president, has roots in a province abutting Iran, which long served as its economic and political lifeline.

"This is a government that will have very good relations with Iran. The Kurdish victory reinforces this conclusion. Talabani is very close to Tehran," said Juan Cole, a University of Michigan expert on Iraq. "In terms of regional geopolitics, this is not the outcome that the United States was hoping for."

Added Rami Khouri, Arab analyst and editor of Beirut's Daily Star: "The idea that the United States would get a quick, stable, prosperous, pro-American and pro-Israel Iraq has not happened. Most of the neoconservative assumptions about what would happen have proven false."

The results have long-term implications. For decades, both Republican and Democratic administrations played Baghdad and Tehran off each other to ensure neither became a regional giant threatening or dominant over U.S. allies, notably Saudi Arabia and the oil-rich Gulf sheikdoms.

But now, Cole said, Iraq and Iran are likely to take similar positions on many issues, from oil prices to U.S. policy on Iran. "If the United States had decided three years ago to bomb Iran, it would have produced joy in Baghdad," he added. "Now it might produce strong protests from Baghdad."

Conversely, the Iraqi secular democrats backed most strongly by the Bush administration lost big. During his State of the Union address last year, Bush invited Adnan Pachachi, a longtime Sunni politician and then-president of the Iraqi Governing Council, to sit with first lady Laura Bush. Pachachi's party fared so poorly in the election that it won no seats in the national assembly.

And current Prime Minister Ayad Allawi, backed by the CIA during his years in exile and handpicked by U.S. and U.N. officials to lead the interim government, came in third. He addressed a joint session of Congress in September, a rare honor reserved for heads of state of the closest U.S. allies. But now, U.S. hopes that Allawi will tally enough votes to vie as a compromise candidate and continue his leadership are unrealistic, analysts say.

"The big losers in this election are the liberals," said Stanford University's Larry Diamond, who was an adviser to the U.S. occupation government. "The fact that three-quarters of the national assembly seats have gone to just two [out of 111] slates is a worrisome trend. Unless the ruling coalition reaches out to broaden itself to include all groups, the insurgency will continue -- and may gain ground."

Adel Abdul Mahdi, who is a leading contender to be prime minister, reiterated yesterday that the new government does not want to emulate Iran. "We don't want either a Shiite government or an Islamic government," he said on CNN's "Late Edition." "Now we are working for a democratic government. This is our choice."

And a senior State Department official said yesterday that the 48 percent vote won by the Shiite slate deprives it of an outright majority. "If it had been higher, the slate would be seen with a lot more trepidation," he said on the condition of anonymity because of department rules.

U.S. and regional analysts agree that Iraq is not likely to become an Iranian surrogate. Iraq's Arabs and Iran's Persians have a long and rocky history. During the 1980-1988 Iran-Iraq war, Iraq's Shiite troops did not defect to Iran.

"There's the assumption that the new government will be close to Iran or influenced by Iran. That's a strong and reasonable assumption," Khouri said. "But I don't think anyone knows -- including Grand Ayatollah [Ali] Sistani -- where the fault line is between Shiite religious identity and Iraqi national identity."

Iranian-born Sistani is now Iraq's top cleric -- and the leader who pressed for elections when Washington favored a caucus system to pick a government. His aides have also rejected Iran's theocracy as a model, although the Shiite slate is expected to press for Islamic law to be incorporated in the new constitution.

For now, the United States appears prepared to accept the results -- in large part because it has no choice.

But the results were announced at a time when the United States faces mounting tensions with Iran over its alleged nuclear weapons ambitions, support for extremism and human rights violations. On her first trip abroad this month, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said Iran's behavior was "something to be loathed" and charged that the "unelected mullahs" are not good for Iran or the region.

One of the biggest questions, analysts say, is whether Iraq's democratic election will make it easier -- or harder -- to pressure Iran.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A21679-2005Feb13.html
 
Back on January 14, 2005, George Friedman CEO of STRATFOR, a private intelligence frim, speaking on a <u>Fox</u> News show talked a bit about the insurgency and the kind of government that the elections are likely to produce. He stated:

"I think you're going to get a Shiite government, and that Shiite government is going
to be much more ruthless in prosecuting the war against the Sunnis than the
Americans have been. You're looking at a civil war, but one that the Sunni guerrilas,
the Jihadists from outside the country, are likely to lose

I can't imagine a democracy as we undersand it, or would like to think about, taking
hold. The best we hope for is a minimization of violence and a government not too
hostile to the United States. The Americans are there to put pressure on the Saudis,
Syrians, Iranians. We don't have a national interest in the kind of government Iraq
will have."


http://www.stratfor.com/images/georgeInterview.jpg

QueEx

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QueEx said:
Back on January 14, 2005, George Friedman CEO of STRATFOR, a private intelligence frim, speaking on a <u>Fox</u> News show talked a bit about the insurgency and the kind of government that the elections are likely to produce. He stated:

"I think you're going to get a Shiite government, and that Shiite government is going
to be much more ruthless in prosecuting the war against the Sunnis than the
Americans have been. You're looking at a civil war, but one that the Sunni guerrilas,
the Jihadists from outside the country, are likely to lose

I can't imagine a democracy as we undersand it, or would like to think about, taking
hold. The best we hope for is a minimization of violence and a government not too
hostile to the United States. The Americans are there to put pressure on the Saudis,
Syrians, Iranians. We don't have a national interest in the kind of government Iraq
will have."


http://www.stratfor.com/images/georgeInterview.jpg

QueEx

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Excellent Find!
 
QueEx said:
Back on January 14, 2005, George Friedman CEO of STRATFOR, a private intelligence frim, speaking on a <u>Fox</u> News show talked a bit about the insurgency and the kind of government that the elections are likely to produce. He stated:

"I think you're going to get a Shiite government, and that Shiite government is going
to be much more ruthless in prosecuting the war against the Sunnis than the
Americans have been. You're looking at a civil war, but one that the Sunni guerrilas,
the Jihadists from outside the country, are likely to lose

I can't imagine a democracy as we undersand it, or would like to think about, taking
hold. The best we hope for is a minimization of violence and a government not too
hostile to the United States. The Americans are there to put pressure on the Saudis,
Syrians, Iranians. We don't have a national interest in the kind of government Iraq
will have."


http://www.stratfor.com/images/georgeInterview.jpg

QueEx

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I've also heard, on the BBC, and other news agencies outside of the states.

Iraqis who swear up and down, that people who think there will be a civil war, do not know Iraq.

?

Also, there is no way, or should be no way, that Iraq ends up with a goverment that is nothing BUT, the best of friends with the United States, or else our tax money is being completely and utterly wasted.


But I can see also we've played our hand to far. If Allawi doesn't smell like a rat to all of Baghdad I don't know what does.
Any ideas of Iran and Iraq continuing to be false enemies fell with Saddam's regime. And that should have been known from the get.

It boils down to Bush and crew thinking the same wool they pull over comfortable secular Americans, could be pulled over strong fundementalists who are used to harsh living conditions. It just doesn't work.

If an anti Isreali, anti American goverment sneaks in the back door under George War -Push's, Wipa-bitch's, and Rummy the dummy's noses I'ma laugh.

Drinks will be on me guys. For those who indulge.
 
Shiites Fail to Agree on Nominee for Iraq's Top Post

The United Iraqi Alliance will hold a secret ballot to choose between two former exiles, Ibrahim Jafari and Ahmad Chalabi.

BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) -- Leaders of the Shiite political alliance that won Iraq's election failed to agree on a single nominee for prime minister Wednesday, with the two candidates insisting on a vote by the alliance's 140 parliamentarians, officials said. Meanwhile, a videotape made by insurgents showed a sobbing Italian journalist held hostage pleading for her life and urging all U.S.-led troops to leave Iraq.

After meeting for hours with Shiite cleric and politician Abdel-Aziz al-Hakim, members of the United Iraqi Alliance agreed to hold a secret ballot to choose between two former exiles, Ibrahim al-Jaafari and Ahmad Chalabi, said Ali Hashim al-Youshaa, an alliance leader who attended the meetings. The vote is expected Friday.

The U.S. military also reported Wednesday that a U.S. soldier assigned to the 1st Marine Expeditionary Force was killed in action Tuesday in western Iraq. In addition, the bodies of eight Iraqis described as collaborators with U.S. forces were found in a desert area north of Baghdad.

Both candidates were expected to present their political agendas and priorities to alliance members before the vote, al-Youshaa said.

The failure to reach a consensus revealed cracks within the coalition, which consists of 10 major parties backed by Shiite religious leader Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani. But Hayder al-Mousawi, Chalabi's spokesman, denied there was a serious problem.

``No way is there a division inside the alliance. Everybody agreed on adhering to whatever results the internal elections will reach,'' he said.

A close aide to al-Sistani, speaking on condition of anonymity, said the alliance leaders will visit his office in Najaf to get his blessing for their choice for prime minister. If they cannot agree, al-Sistani will decide.

If provisional results stand, the alliance, made up of religious Shiite parties, will have 140 seats in the 275-member National Assembly. At least three other party coalitions that won seats in the assembly had joined the alliance's bloc, adding eight more seats, al-Youshaa said. All 148 prospective parliamentarians will vote in the secret ballot, officials said.

Al-Jaafari leads the Dawa Party, known for its close ties to Iran.

Chalabi, 58, who left Iraq as a teen, leads the Iraqi National Congress and had close ties to the Pentagon before falling out of favor last year after claims he passed intelligence information to Iran.

A secular Shiite, his Iraqi National Congress is an umbrella for groups that included Iraqi exiles, Kurds and Shiites. Much of the intelligence his group supplied on Iraq's alleged weapons of mass destruction programs failed to pan out.

The Kurdish parties have apparently agreed to support the alliance's candidate for prime minister in return for the presidency.

Al-Youshaa said both candidates were expected to present their political agendas and priorities to alliance members before the ballot. The race to be the Shiite's pick for prime minister narrowed Tuesday, when Adel Abdul Mahdi, who has close ties to Iran, dropped out.

Al-Hakim, who also has close ties to Iran, has said he is not interested in the prime minister's post.

Also Wednesday, a videotape delivered anonymously to Associated Press Television News showed hostage Giuliana Sgrena speaking in both French and Italian as she pleaded for the Italian government to pull out its troops.

``You must end the occupation, it's the only way we can get out of this situation,'' the 56-year-old journalist for the communist daily Il Manifesto pleaded. There was no indication when the tape was made, and the words ``Mujahedeen Without Borders'' appeared in digital red Arabic script on the video. The group was previously unknown.

The video was released hours before Italy's Senate voted on whether to extend the nation's troop deployment in Iraq through June. Il Manifesto strongly opposed the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq and has fiercely criticized Italian Prime Minister Berlusconi's decision to deploy 3,000 troops in the U.S.-led multinational force in Iraq.

At one point she broke into tears as she addressed Pierre Scolari, whom she called her husband.

``Show all the pictures I have taken of the Iraqis, of the children hit by the cluster bombs, of the women ... Help me, help me to demand the withdrawal of the troops, help me spare my life.''

Sgrena was kidnapped Feb. 4 by gunmen outside a mosque in Baghdad. Conflicting claims about her fate have appeared on Islamic militant Web sites.

Police found the bound, gagged bodies of eight Iraqis, mostly civilians who had worked at a U.S. military base, in shallow graves north of the Iraqi capital. All were shot in the back of the head.

The eight had been missing since they were kidnapped three days ago by insurgents, said Mohammed Latif, chief of the local police force in Dejali, about 40 miles north of Baghdad. He said a piece of paper attached to each body said: ``This is the punishment of the traitors and those who work for the American occupation.''

The bodies of two Iraqi policemen, both shot in the back of the head, also were found on a highway south of Baghdad.

U.S. forces also clashed with insurgents in Ramadi and Samarra, and militants attacked American convoys with bombs in the northern city of Mosul, damaging a military vehicle. Several people were injured, witnesses said.

The competition for the prime minister's post came as the Iraqi Electoral Commission's deadline to file complaints approached. Commission spokesman Farid Ayar said 25 complaints have been filed so far.

``Most of them are asking for a recount of the votes and we are looking into those requests,'' he said. ``We tell them that we were very accurate in counting the ballots. You know, they just want more votes.''

He said he expected the commission to certify the vote totals Thursday, when the official allocation of National Assembly seats would be announced. The assembly picks the president and two vice presidents, and drafts a new constitution.

Once the results are certified, the present government must set a timetable for installing the new government. It is not known how long that might take, and it will depend on back-room dealmaking among the parties.

The clergy-backed United Iraqi Alliance got 48 percent of the vote for the National Assembly, the Kurdish alliance got 26 percent and interim Prime Minister Ayad Allawi, a secular Shiite who supported strong ties to Washington, 14 percent. Nine other parties also won seats.

Al-Jaafari, a 58-year-old moderate Shiite Muslim who attended medical school and fled a brutal crackdown by Saddam Hussein in 1980, told The Associated Press on Tuesday that he wanted a constitution that will draw not only on Islam.

``Islam should be the official religion of the country, and one of the main sources for legislation, along with other sources that do not harm Muslim sensibilities,'' said al-Jaafari, who is Iraq's interim vice president and lived in London until Saddam was ousted by the U.S.-led invasion.

He said he supports women's rights, including the right to be the president or prime minister, as well as self-determination and individual freedoms for all Iraqis.

If confirmed as prime minister, al-Jaafari said he would first try to halt the violence and not push for coalition troops to leave anytime soon.

In the interview, he said he shares the Kurdish and Shiite desires for federalism in Iraq.

``I am looking for a constitution that would be a clear mirror of the composition of the Iraq people,'' he said, adding that it should be ``based on respecting all Iraqi beliefs and freedoms.''

But he opposes any attempts to break Iraq apart, following a nonbinding referendum in the Kurdistan region promoting independence.

``Federalism doesn't mean separation from the nation-state,'' said al-Jaafari, who was born in Karbala, the home of the Shiites' holiest shrine.

Even though his party is part of the United Iraqi Alliance, his views contrasted with the official platform on its Web site, which explicitly urges the ``Islamization'' of the Iraqi society and the state, including the implementation of Sharia, or Islamic law.

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/int...&en=9861600863e93c52&ei=5094&partner=homepage
 
Iraqi Kurds Detail Demands for a Degree of Autonomy

By EDWARD WONG

SULAIMANIYA, Iraq, Feb. 17 - From his snow-covered mountain fortress, Massoud Barzani sees little other than the rugged hills of Iraqi Kurdistan and green-clad militiamen posted along the serpentine road below.

The border with the Arab-dominated rest of Iraq is far off. Baghdad lies even farther off and, if Kurdish leaders like Mr. Barzani have their way, will fade almost entirely out of the picture here.

Since the fall of Saddam Hussein, the Kurds have made known their determination to retain a degree of autonomy in the territory they have dominated for more than a decade. Now, after their strong performance in the elections last month, Kurdish leaders are for the first time spelling out specific demands.

From control of oil reserves to the retention of the Kurdish militia, the pesh merga, to full authority over taxation, the requested powers add up to an autonomy that is hard to distinguish from independence.

"The fact remains that we are two different nationalities in Iraq - we are Kurds and Arabs," Mr. Barzani said as he sat in a reception hall at his headquarters in Salahuddin. "If the Kurdish people agree to stay in the framework of Iraq in one form or another as a federation, then other people should be grateful to them."

Kurdish autonomy is expected to be one of the most divisive issues during the drafting of the new constitution, alongside the debate over the role of Islam in the new Iraq. The Kurds' demands are already alarming Iraq's Arabs, particularly the majority Shiites, and raising tensions with neighboring countries, where governments are trying to suppress Kurdish separatist movements within their own borders.

In interviews, top Kurdish leaders like Mr. Barzani, head of the Kurdistan Democratic Party, set out a list of demands that are more far-reaching than the Kurds have articulated in the past. Under their plan, Kurdistan would control most of what goes on within its borders:

¶They want ownership of any natural resources, including oilfields, and the power to determine how the revenues are split with the central government.

¶They want authority over the formidable militia called the pesh merga, estimated at up to 100,000 members, in defiance of the American goal of dismantling ethnic and sectarian armies. The pesh merga would be under nominal national oversight, but actual control would remain with regional commanders. No other armed forces would be allowed to enter Kurdistan without permission from Kurdish officials.

¶They want the power to appoint officials to work in and operate ministries in Kurdistan, which would parallel those in Baghdad. These would include the ministries that oversee security and the economy.

¶They want authority over fiscal policy, including oversight of taxes and the power to decide how much tax revenue goes to Baghdad. The national government would make monetary policy but would not be able to raise revenue from Kurdistan without the agreement of Kurdish officials.

Moreover, the region's borders would be changed, in the Kurds' vision. The "green line" that defines the boundary between the Kurdistan and the rest of Iraq would be officially pushed south, to take in the oil-rich city of Kirkuk, the city of Khanaqin and the area of Sinjar. Kurdish leaders argue that this would just reestablish historic borders where Mr. Hussein had drastically altered the demographics by displacing Kurds with Arab settlers.

"It must be clear in the constitution what is for the Kurds and what is for the Iraqi government," said Fouad Hussein, an influential independent Kurdish politician.

The fierce political drive of the Kurds, who make up a fifth of Iraq's 28 million people, became apparent during the Jan. 30 elections, when turnout across the three provinces of Iraqi Kurdistan - Sulaimaniya, Erbil and Dohuk - averaged 84 percent, well above the national average of 58 percent.

Those votes secured for the main Kurdish alliance 75 of 275 seats in the constitutional assembly. The alliance finished second, behind the main Shiite slate, which ended up with a slim majority of 140 seats, which is short of the two-thirds needed to form a government.

The Kurds are now in the position of kingmaker, courted by the Shiite parties and competing smaller groups like the secular slate led by Prime Minister Ayad Allawi.

The Kurds are asking for Mr. Barzani's main rival, Jalal Talabani, to be chosen as president. More audacious is their insistence on broad powers for their region under a federal system. The autonomy envisioned by the Kurds is likely to inflame the formerly ruling Sunni Arabs, who lack officially authorized militias and rich natural resources in their own traditional territory.

But it is the Shiites, having finally achieved here after decades of struggle, who are likely to offer the strongest opposition to Kurdish autonomy.

The top Shiite clerics "are very difficult," said Nawzad Hadi Mawlood, the governor of Erbil Province, the largest Kurdish province. "They're hard negotiators," he said. "They're inflexible. The Shia do not want to admit the federal system for the Kurds."

Many Shiite leaders complain that the Kurds press too many demands and already exercise power in the interim government out of proportion with their numbers. Kurds hold the posts of deputy prime minister, foreign minister and the head of Parliament, as well as one of two vice presidencies.

"There is a sense that the Kurds have taken more privileges than the others," said Sheik Humam Hamoudi, a senior official of the Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution in Iraq, a powerful Shiite party. "So we advise the Kurds to be more Iraqi."

Besides holding more than a quarter of the seats in the constitutional assembly, the Kurds have another powerful tool in the transitional law approved last spring. Under that law, a two-thirds vote in any three provinces can veto a national referendum on the constitution. Kurdish leaders could easily mobilize such a vote.

The relatively secular Kurds might also make a deal with the religious Shiites in which the Kurds would gain significant autonomy in return for agreeing not to block Shiite efforts to establish an Islamic government elsewhere in Iraq.

Kurdish leaders argue that their push for federalism is nothing more than an attempt to maintain the status quo. Iraqi Kurdistan, a mountainous area the size of Switzerland, has existed as an autonomous region since the end of the Persian Gulf war of 1991, when the American military established a no-flight zone in northern Iraq.

"Like all the nations of the world, all the people of the world, we have the ability to rule ourselves, and we've proven that in the last 14 years," Hezha Anoor, 18, said as he and his friends stood outside a Chinese restaurant here in Sulaimaniya, the capital of eastern Kurdistan.

Iraqi Kurdish leaders maintain that while they would like to see an independent Kurdistan in their lifetimes, secession is not practical now.

The threat from countries like Turkey is too great, they say. And the economy of Kurdistan, which depended on smuggling during the United Nations sanctions against Iraq imposed in the 1990's, would benefit from sharing in revenues from the southern oilfields, said Barham Salih, the deputy prime minister of Iraq and a top Kurdish official.

Yet if the Kurdish leaders do succeed in winning strong autonomy, that could inspire greater calls for independence. "Iraq is a beast," Pire Mughan, 63, a grizzled poet and former pesh merga fighter, said as he sipped tea in the shadow of the citadel of Erbil. "Arabs are beasts, because their entire history is one of killings and massacres.

"I didn't vote for anyone in the elections, because I believe in independence, not in federalism. If I had voted, it would have meant voting for federalism, and that would have been treason for future generations."

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/02/18/i...t/18kurds.html?hp=&pagewanted=print&position=
 
Odds are slim that kurds will get that shit off

turkey and iran will not allow kurdish autonomy

no iraqis will allow them to take kirkuk's oil as their own

shiites wont share power to that extent- ALL OF IRAQ belongs to the shia - that shit wont fly and I believe the shia party that was down with allawi that claimed alot of votes was fraudulently given votes
 
<font size="6"><center>Chalabi claims numbers to be Iraqi PM</font size></center>

<tt>ABC News
Monday, February 21, 2005. 1:15pm (AEDT)<tt>

Controversial Iraqi politician Ahmed Chalabi says he believes he has the votes to become the war-torn country's new prime minister.

Mr Chalabi, once supported by the United States only to fall from favour, is part of the Shiite United Iraqi Alliance (UIA) list that won 140 seats of the 275-member national assembly in the January 30 elections.

"I believe I have a majority of the [UIA] votes on my side right now" to become the new government's prime minister, Mr Chalabi told United States ABC television.

However, the former exile remained cautious, saying the choice of premier "will be decided by the parliamentary bloc", which he did not want to "second guess".

On Tuesday, sources in the Shiite coalition said it had chosen interim vice president and Dawa party leader Ibrahim Jaafari as its candidate for prime minister.

Mr Chalabi said he was ready to cooperate if he were not picked to lead the government.

"We want to change the way Iraq is governed," he said.

"It will no longer be the government of a leader with everybody else not counting very much.

"We want to have a cabinet form of executive authority in Iraq and I am perfectly willing to cooperate, as indeed are my other friends and colleagues who are competing for the job of prime minister, with any prime minister that will come out for the service of ... the country."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200502/s1307339.htm
 
If he becomes the PM the whole US handpicked leader saga comes full circle. It was always Chalabi or Allawi, but it seemed initially Chalabi was meant to be the man.
 
Shiites Pick Al-Jaafari As Iraq PM Nominee

By MAGGIE MICHAEL, Associated Press Writer

BAGHDAD, Iraq - Interim Vice President Ibrahim al-Jaafari was chosen as his Shiite ticket's candidate for prime minister Tuesday after Ahmad Chalabi dropped his bid, senior alliance officials said.

Al-Jaafari's selection means he likely will lead Iraq (news - web sites)'s first democratically elected government in 50 years. But first he has to be approved by a coalition that likely will include the Kurds, and then he must be approved by a majority of the newly elected National Assembly.

Pressure from within the ranks of the United Iraqi Alliance, which won Iraq's landmark Jan. 30 election, forced the withdrawal of Chalabi, a one-time Pentagon (news - web sites) favorite, said Hussein al-Moussawi from the Shiite Political Council, an umbrella group for 38 Shiite parties.

Meanwhile, two explosions echoed through Baghdad at midday. A plume of black smoke rose from the Green Zone, where Iraqi government offices and the U.S. Embassy are located.

Police Capt. Muthanna Hassan said one of the blasts was a car bomb that exploded as an Iraqi special forces convoy passed by, killing two soldiers and wounding 20 others. It was not clear what caused the other blast.

In western Baghdad, masked gunmen hurled explosives into a Shiite mosque in the Ghazaliyah neighborhood, police Capt. Sa'ad Jawad Kadhim said. The explosives failed to detonate and guards opened fire on the attackers, killing one and forcing the rest to flee, Kadhim said.

Also in Baghdad, police foiled a suicide bombing, arresting a Sudanese man who tried to detonate an explosives-laden belt inside the Adnan Khair Allah hospital, Interior Ministry Capt. Ahmed Ismael said.

It was apparently the second suicide mission involving a Sudanese. At least one man believed to be of Sudanese origin carried out a suicide bombing Saturday in Baghdad, part of a wave of violence that killed 55 people on Ashoura, the holiest day of the Shiite calendar.

Also in the capital, a U.S. military convoy was hit in a roadside bomb attack in the southern neighborhood of Doura, police Lt. Haitham Abdul Razak said.

U.S. troops exchanged fire with gunmen in Samarra, 60 miles north of the capital. One Iraqi was killed in a mortar strike there, said Dr. Aala al-Deen Mohammed.

Al-Jaafari said dealing with insurgents and re-establishing security would be the first task of his government if he becomes prime minister. "The security situation is the first matter we will address," he said.

Some of Chalabi's aides, including Qaisar Witwit, suggested he was being offered the post of deputy prime minister in charge of economic and security affairs. When asked about such a deal, Chalabi said simply, "We will see."

Chalabi said he dropped out of the race "for the unity of the alliance." He would not say if he had been offered a post in the new government.

Until Chalabi agreed to withdraw, the 140 members of the alliance had planned to decide between the two in a secret ballot Tuesday.

The decision came after three days of round-the-clock negotiations by senior members of the clergy-backed alliance, which emerged from the election with a 140-seat majority in the 275-member National Assembly, or parliament.

The office of Abdel Aziz al-Hakim, leader of the Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution in Iraq, or SCIRI, confirmed that Chalabi had withdrawn his bid to be prime minister.

"Chalabi announced his withdrawal and everyone agreed on al-Jaafari. Then Chalabi declared his support to al-Jaafari," said Haytham al Husaini, a top al-Hakim aide.

SCIRI, the main group making up the alliance, tried for days to persuade Chalabi to quit the race, some of its senior officials said.

Al-Jaafari's only other likely opponent for the post would be interim Prime Minister Ayad Allawi, who was nominated for the job by his group. The Iraqi List got only 14 percent of the vote — or 40 seats — in the election.

Al-Jaafari would not say if he had approached Allawi with an offer so that he would drop out.

"Whether someone is a member of the alliance or not doesn't mean they don't have the opportunity to play a role in this new government," al-Jaafari said.

The United Iraqi Alliance took 48 percent of the vote last month but needs to form a coalition with smaller parties to form the new government.

Kurdish parties, who won 26 percent, have indicated in the past they would support the Shiite candidate for prime minister in return for support for their candidate for the presidency.

The assembly must approve candidates for president and two vice presidents by a two-thirds majority. The president and vice presidents, in turn, will nominate a prime minister, who must be approved by a simple majority of the assembly.

The assembly also will draft a constitution.

A date for the parliament's opening has not been set.

The conservative Al-Jaafari, a 58-year-old family doctor, is the main spokesman for the Islamic Dawa Party, which waged a bloody campaign against Saddam Hussein (news - web sites)'s regime in the late 1970s. Saddam crushed the campaign in 1982 and Dawa based itself in Iran.

In an interview with The Associated Press last week, he said calling for the immediate withdrawal of coalition troops would be a "mistake," given the lack of security in Iraq.

The secular Chalabi is a former exile leader who heavily promoted the idea that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction. He later fell out with some key members of the Bush administration over allegations that he passed secrets to Iran.

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=sto...22/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_050222114255&printer=1
 
Opposing agendas snarl Shiite, Kurd cooperation in Iraq
The two groups are at loggerheads on a number of issues.

By Jill Carroll, Contributor to The Christian Science Monitor

BAGHDAD - In the month since Iraqis rushed to the polls in support of democracy, getting anything done has proved a painstaking process of consensus-building that's now focused on two political groups whose interests are diametrically opposed.

The national assembly that will write the country's permanent constitution cannot meet until key government positions are assigned. And central to determining how power will be allocated are the United Iraqi Alliance (UIA), religious Shiites who hold the majority of seats, and the once-powerless Kurds, who control the second-largest number of seats in the assembly.

The two groups are at loggerheads on a number of issues. The Shiites are determined to use Islam as a legal cornerstone, something the staunchly secular Kurds reject. The Kurds say they will cooperate only with those who offer them control of oil-rich Kirkuk - a promise that Ibrahim al-Jaafari, the Shiite choice for prime minister, has said the UIA will never make.

But the Kurds are showing little inclination, publicly at least, to compromise. "Even if we are forced to fight for our rights" with guns, we will, says Abduljalil Feili, the head of the Kurdistan Democratic Party in central and southern Iraq (news - web sites). "We prefer negotiations and a political solution. [But] we will use all the options we have."

As the political powers continued to jockey for influence, insurgent violence continued with a bomb in Mosul killing eight people Sunday. But the government also announced the detention Sunday of Sabawi Ibrahim al-Hasan al-Tikriti, Saddam Hussein (news - web sites)'s half-brother and No. 36 on the US list of 55 most-wanted figures. On Friday, officials said they had nabbed Abu Qutaybah, described as a key lieutenant of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, Al Qaeda's leader in Iraq.

The Kurds' assertiveness flows from their legal trump card. Under the transitional administrative law (TAL), written last spring by the Interim Governing Council with US guidance, a permanent constitution can be vetoed if three provinces do not ratify it. The Kurds control Iraq's three northern provinces.

"At the rate they are going, they will have to ask for an extension," in writing the constitution, says Nathan Brown, a professor of political science at George Washington University. "The really difficult issues are ones where we just don't have any idea how flexible they will be."

The current political wrangling has its source in laws designed to force disparate political groups to work together, and to prevent another authoritarian regime by giving significant power to minority groups.

Among other consensus-building mechanisms, the TAL requires two-thirds of the national assembly to approve the president, a new government, and a new constitution.

Those requirements have allowed small groups to play spoiler in order to extract promises of influence.

No decisions have been made on filling the presidency, vacancies for two deputies, and the cabinet. But one official from the Supreme Council of the Islamic Revolution in Iraq (SCIRI), a main group in the UIA, said they hope to meet this week with leaders of the UIA, Kurds, Interim Prime Minister Iyad Allawi, and President Ghazi Yawar, a leading Sunni politician, to negotiate.

The UIA wants to give moderate Sunnis at least three leading positions, possibly one of the deputy presidents, the speaker of the national assembly, and control of a key ministry, such as defense. Most Sunnis boycotted the election and there are fears the Sunni insurgency will worsen if they aren't included in the government.

"The train of democracy is starting down the line," says the SCIRI official. "Maybe we will stay in the station a few minutes, but the train is moving."

UIA officials are also proposing to create a national security position for Mr. Allawi, who has made an aggressive if unlikely bid to keep his job.

Andres Arato, a constitutional expert at the New School University in New York, says Kurdish demands and the two-thirds vote required to approve the new government and permanent constitution may delay the constitution longer than anyone expected. In that event, the country will have to continue to use the TAL, which he says could be destabilizing over the long term. "The very high threshold means you [may] never have a government," Mr. Arato says.

David Phillips, a senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations, says that while Iraq is on an uncharted path, similar experiences in other countries have shown the importance of decentralizing authority. He says it is important to spread power among the country's governorates and local government. While the process is slow, it will probably continue to move forward, he says.

"It's definitely taking time for Iraqis to find common ground, but when you look at each threshold moment [previously] ... they waited until the 11th hour and cut deals," Phillips says. "That's what happening now."

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Talks on Iraqi Coalition Government Falter

By RAWYA RAGEH, Associated Press Writer

BAGHDAD, Iraq - Talks aimed at forging a coalition government faltered Wednesday over Kurdish demands for more land and concerns that the dominant Shiite alliance seeks to establish an Islamic state, delaying the planned first meeting of Iraq (news - web sites)'s new parliament.

The snag in negotiations between Shiite and Kurdish leaders in northern Iraq came as clashes and two car bombings in Baghdad killed at least 14 Iraqi soldiers and police officers — the latest in a relentless wave of violence since elections Jan. 30.

The group led by Iraq's most wanted terrorist, Abu-Musab al-Zarqawi, purportedly claimed responsibility in an Internet posting for Wednesday's clashes and at least one of the bombings — as it had for a suicide car bombing Monday that killed 125 people in Hillah, a town south of the capital.

"The bombings in Hillah and again in Baghdad this morning are not going to derail the political process that Iraq is embarked upon," National Security Adviser Mouwafak al-Rubaie said Wednesday. "The Iraqi government will go after and hunt down each and every one of these terrorists whether in Iraq or elsewhere."

But forming Iraq's first democratically elected coalition government is turning out to be a laborious process.

Shiite and Kurdish leaders, Iraq's new political powers, failed to reach agreement after two days of negotiations in the northern city of Irbil, with the clergy-backed candidate for prime minister, Ibrahim al-Jaafari, leaving with only half the deal he needed.

The Shiite-led United Iraqi Alliance, which has 140 seats in the 275-member National Assembly, hopes to win backing from the 75 seats held by Kurdish political parties so t can muster the required two-thirds majority for post top posts in the new government.

Al-Jaafari indicated after the talks that the alliance was ready to accept a Kurdish demand that one of its leaders, Jalal Talabani, become president.

"We, the United Iraqi Alliance, and I personally respect the Kurdish choice for Jalal Talabani to be their nominee for the presidential post. I will convey this honestly to my brothers in the alliance," he said.

However, he would not commit to other demands, including the expansion of Kurdish autonomous areas south to the oil-rich city of Kirkuk.

Kurdish leaders have demanded constitutional guarantees for their northern regions, including self-rule and reversal of the "Arabization" of Kirkuk and other northern areas. Saddam Hussein relocated Iraqi Arabs to the region in a bid to secure the oil fields there.

Politicians had hoped to convene the new parliament by Sunday. But Ali Faisal, of the Shiite Political Council, said the date was now "postponed" and that a new date had not been set.

"The blocs failed to reach an understanding over the formation of the government," said Faisal, whose council is part of the United Iraqi Alliance.

The Kurds, he added, were "the basis of the problem" in the negotiations.

"The Kurds are wary about al-Jaafari's nomination to head the government. They are concerned that a strict Islamic government might be formed," al-Faisal said. "Negotiations and dialogue are ongoing."

In another twist, alliance deputy and former Pentagon favorite Ahmad Chalabi was to meet Thursday with interim Prime Minister Ayad Allawi, whose party won 40 seats in the assembly. It was unclear why the meeting between the two rivals was taking place.

Both Allawi and Chalabi are secular Shiites opposed to making Iraq an Islamic state. Concerns over a possible theocracy are especially pertinent because the main task of the new assembly will be to write a constitution.

Although Kurds make up only about 15 percent of Iraq's population, they won 27 percent of the assembly seats — largely because most Sunni Arabs did not participate in the elections, either to honor a boycott call or because they feared attack by Sunni-led insurgents trying to disrupt the vote.

Sunni Arabs, who comprise about 20 percent of the population, were favored under Saddam's regime, which oppressed the majority Shiite Arabs. Iraqi Kurds are mostly Sunni, but their Kurdish identity is far more significant to them than any tie to Sunni Arabs.

Wednesday's attacks in Baghdad began when a car bomb struck an Iraqi army base, killing eight soldiers and wounding at least 25. A second car bomb an hour later at an army checkpoint killed four soldiers. Separate clashes killed two police officers, the Defense Ministry said.

Also Wednesday, an Internet statement in the name of the Ansar al-Sunnah Army claimed the killing of two Turkish drivers abducted Feb. 25 on the road to Kirkuk, and a Swede of Iraqi descent who was kidnapped last month pleaded for his life in a video left at an international news agency in Baghdad.

It was not possible to verify the authenticity of either the claim or the video.

The latest violence came a day after the killings in Baghdad of an Iraqi judge and his son, both of whom worked for the tribunal that will put Saddam and members of his regime on trial. Three gunmen in a speeding car raked the pair with gunfire as they were trying to get into a vehicle outside their home.

The shootings marked the first time any legal staff working for the Iraqi Special Tribunal have been killed.

On Monday, the tribunal had issued referrals for five former regime members — including one of Saddam's half-brothers — for crimes against humanity. Referrals are similar to indictments, and are the final step before trials can start.

It wasn't clear, however, if the court actions inspired the killings of Judge Barwez Mohammed Mahmoud al-Merwani and his son, lawyer Aryan Barwez al-Merwani. The son was the local head of the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan, one of two parties in the Kurdish coalition.

Judges and other legal staff have not even been identified in public because of concerns for their safety, and tribunal officials have kept a low profile for the same reason.

The Iraqi Special Tribunal was set up in late 2003 after Saddam was toppled. But after five potential candidates were killed, some judges declined calls to work at the court. At least half the tribunal's budget has gone to security.

A court official, who declined to be named, said the slain judge was one of more than 60 investigative, appellate and trial judges working at the court.

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Although Kurds make up only about 15 percent of Iraq's population, they won 27 percent of the assembly seats — largely because most Sunni Arabs did not participate in the elections

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However, he would not commit to other demands, including the expansion of Kurdish autonomous areas south to the oil-rich city of Kirkuk.

It would seem that if the US backed Kurd's gain self rule in Kirkuk, then the US benefited from the lack of Arab Sunni participation and shortfall of supplied ballots in Arab Sunni areas during the election.
 
Makkonnen said:
Odds are slim that kurds will get that shit off

turkey and iran will not allow kurdish autonomy

no iraqis will allow them to take kirkuk's oil as their own

shiites wont share power to that extent- ALL OF IRAQ belongs to the shia - that shit wont fly and I believe the shia party that was down with allawi that claimed alot of votes was fraudulently given votes
Those Kurds are stupid they will fuck around and have the the Shiites on their ass along with Iran and Turkey and when the US pulls out with their tails between their legs they'll be worse off than with Saddam around. I can see the Sunni and Shiites makin a deal for more representation and violence go away without the US involved but the Kurds won't get shit- the US can't force the Iraqis to accept those muthafuckas havin so much power especially with the fuckin Kurds being so buddy buddy with uncle sam
 
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