London Mayor Blames the West, U.S.

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<font size="6"><center>London's Mayor Red Ken
blames West for radicalism </font size></center>

<font size="3">LONDON: Western foreign policy has fuelled the Islamist radicalism behind the bomb attacks which killed more than 50 people in London, the British capital's mayor Ken Livingstone said yesterday.

Livingstone, who earned the nickname "Red Ken" for his left-wing views, won widespread praise for a defiant response which helped unite London after the bombings.

Asked what he thought had motivated the four suspected suicide bombers, Livingstone cited Western policy in the Middle East and early American backing for Osama bin Laden.

Britain 'ignored threat'

LONDON: The leader of a defunct Islamic militant group blamed Prime Minister Tony Blair's government and its "crusader views" of Muslims for the attacks. In an interview, Anjem Choudary, leader of the disbanded Muhajiroun extremist group, also said the British public shared the blame for ignoring Al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden's warning last year that Britain would be attacked if it did not withdraw troops from Iraq and Afghanistan. Omar Bakri, the Muhajiroun group's radical founder and spiritual leader who is apparently being closely watched by British security forces, had on many occasions glorified suicide bombings in Iraq and by Palestinian militants in Israel. Choudary himself has been reported as saying that Islam regards as legitimate the kidnappings of Westerners in "occupied Muslim lands," such as Iraq.

Choudary criticised Blair's meeting on Tuesday with two dozen members of the Muslim community to discuss anti-terror legislation the government plans to introduce by the end of the year. "This is not the time for talking; it's time for action," he said. Blair, he added, has "got to do something (about the policies) which have caused 7-7."

"When Muslims talk about jihad, suddenly they're cast as terrorists and they're threatened with deportation. I think this is double standards, that's blatant racism, isn't it?" </font size>

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[mcboob]

This is very intertesting. We would never hear this in the states

 

[CAPTAIN]

This is very intertesting. We would never hear this in the states

Of course not. This administration is keeping a tight lid on any politicians disagreeing with the anti-islamic. There seems to be a media black out of the truth in Amerikkka.

 

[connectz]

Get ready for a police state in the next few years. Bush and his cronies have been force feeding american society with all this terrorism business getting us good and ready for the permanent "temporary" suspension of the constitution if another major terrorist attack happens on U.S. soil.

As you all can already see, they are stripping our constitutional rights away one by one under the guise of the Patriot Act and national security.

And to look further into the future, after China and the U.S. have economically destroyed each other, the brand new clean and pristine European Union will be inplace to be the biggest superpower after the dust settles.

Sounds like "Europa Europa" from 2010 A Sapce Oddyssey doesn't it?

 

[Gods_Favorite]

Thats bullshit, if anything its the British that fucked up, England has a large community of homegrown Islamic fundamentalists seething with hatred and foaming at the mouth to martyry themselves to be with allah, just as bad as Zarqawi and Bin laden. England has not been checking the Islamic radicals in their country and letting them roam free, whereas here in the US that shit would never be tolerated. When I was in England back before 9/11 you could hear Mullahs speaking in public parks talking about "death to the US, death to Britain", what the fuck?

 

[hoodedgoon]

I doubt it's totally the west fault for the fucked up state of the middle east. these people have to take some responsbility for the state of their countries and economies as well. On the other hand i'm sure that bombing the shit out of their countries to secure the oil we so desperately need in the west doesn't inspire love for the west either.

 

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<font size="5"><center>Al Qaeda's Connection to the London Bombers</font size></center>

STRATFOR
Daily Terrorism Brief
September 21, 2005

British police released surveillance footage Sept. 20 that they say shows Mohammad Sidique Khan, Shehzad Tanweer and Germaine Lindsay conducting a dry run in preparation for the July 7 London bombings. The tape, recorded June 28, shows the three men entering Luton station before traveling to King's Cross station -- the same routes they took July 7.

Citing a lack of a direct forensic link between the bombers and known al Qaeda operatives, some in the intelligence and law enforcement community have suggested that the Underground bombers were not connected to al Qaeda and that, by claiming responsibility for the attack, deputy al Qaeda leader Ayman al-Zawahiri attempted to give the network undue credit. Although the four bombers fairly certainly had no direct connection to the higher-level al Qaeda leadership, the methods used in the attack suggest that it was an al Qaeda operation and sanctioned by the network's leadership.

The fact that a rehearsal did take place before the actual attack demonstrates that the operatives were not complete novices -- as some also have suggested -- but that they some degree of training and organization. Moreover, staging a practice run is consistent with the kind of meticulous planning that has characterized large-scale al Qaeda operations. Similar dry runs and pre-operational surveillance were carried out before the August 1998 bombings of the U.S. Embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, and the Sept. 11 attacks. The bombing of Philippine Airlines flight 434 in December 1994 also was a dry run for a more ambitious al Qaeda operation codenamed "Bojinko" -- a plan to bomb multiple airplanes simultaneously over the Pacific Ocean.

Khan, the alleged leader of the July 7 bombers, made a videotape before the operation in which he explains his motivation for carrying out the attack. Khan possibly made his statement while in Pakistan, where he is alleged to have traveled in 2004 to meet with al Qaeda operatives. A second segment of the same tape contained an al-Zawahiri statement in which he praised the attack, but stopped short of claiming credit -- possibly because it had not yet happened. Al-Zawahiri's presence on the Khan tape, which Arab satellite television Al Jazeera aired Sept. 1, is another link between the July 7 attack and the al Qaeda leadership -- although it should be noted that the two never appear together in the tape. In addition, al-Zawahiri has appeared in two other tapes in which he speaks of the London bombings. In the latest one, released Sept. 19, he clearly claims responsibility for the attacks on behalf of al Qaeda -- something the jihadist network rarely does.

An al Qaeda operation as important as an attack against a Western capital certainly would have the foreknowledge and blessing of the network's highest leadership. Even though the leaders knew of and endorsed the operation, however, they would not necessarily have had direct contact with the operatives who carried out the attack. They likely received reports on the progress of the operation and issued orders to at least one mid-level operative or tactical commander, who in turn supervised and handled the attackers, including Khan. Although not involved with the tactical details of their attacks, al Qaeda leadership has always had a role in the operations. Khan, whose role in the organization would have been that of a foot soldier, would probably not have met al Zawahiri or al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden.

Al Qaeda is similar to the Mafia, in that foot-soldiers generally are not granted the privilege of meeting the godfather immediately after they are inducted into the family. This is especially true for al Qaeda, since the post-Sept. 11 environment has forced senior al Qaeda members to dramatically increase their operational security. In this case, in which the "godfather" is the world's most wanted man, the foot soldiers would not be allowed near him unless a dire operational need arose.

The surveillance images of the July 7 bombers' dry run provide further evidence of al Qaeda links with the deadly attack. The camera recordings also show that, despite difficulties in communicating and operating since the October 2001 U.S.-led invasion of its home base in Afghanistan, al Qaeda still retains enough command-and-control capability to stage the occasional large-scale attack against a Western city.

 

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Interesting article... It's amazing how nut jobs like this mayor can still find it in theyre' hearts to blame the west... The facts are, its was members of the muslim community in England...."his" country. Those same people "chose" to move to England. No one forced the muslims to vacate their homelands and move into a situtation they would find intolerable.

 

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Those same people "chose" to move to England. No one forced the muslims to vacate their homelands and move into a situtation they would find intolerable.

You're a colonialism apologist and an idiot. Britain set the stage for this when they decided to rule the middle east a century ago, and divided up the region into made up countries, handing out kingdoms to despotic fuckwads like the Sauds. And now the chickens are coming home to roost.

 

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My point in my post below, nothing much, just a thought...

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You're . . . an idiot.

You're comments and insight are not only welcomed but appreciated.
However, calling the poster an idiot didn't prove your point or add
anything to the discussion.

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