Let's Play: Who Took Steroids In The Game Of Baseball

[SuperGenius]

There's a report that's coming out between Oct. 31 and December that will implicate some BIG name baseball players as being accused of having something to do with taking steroids.....I have my suspicions of some players who had some huge numbers and then all of a sudden "poof" have gone downhill. I'll start with a few names to get this shit jumpin'.....

Of course these are just guesses and I could be wrong about some if not all, but it'd be fun just blaming mofo's anyway.

Excluding Barry Bonds, Mark McGuire, Sammy Sosa, Rafael Palmeiro, and
Jason Giambi


Not sure about a player? Check out http://www.baseball-reference.com/ search a player you think is suspect. A lot of players had some serious numbers, then all of a sudden they hit rock bottom and it's not even due to injury.


Ivan Rodriguez - sudden weight loss since he's been with the Tigers. offensive numbers diminshed all of a sudden.....


Brady Anderson - dude never hit more than 30 HR in a season, then all of a sudden slapped 50?!?


Luis Gonzalez - *see Brady Anderson*


Roger Clemens - Maybe i'm wrong about this, but this is just my gut feeling that mofo did it


Miguel Tejada - Yeah he helped give Palmeiro a shot in the azz, and Palmeiro straight dry snitched on him


...just to name a few. I've got some more names, but i'm curious to hear what others think.

 

[RunawaySlave]

Everybody. The shit was league wide. Just look at the
overall numbers. Even though you have more cats with
double figure HRs, NOBODY besides Rodriguez, Howard,
and I think Prince Felder even had close to 50 HRs. At
one point in late August, I'm looking at the stats and
there's about maybe 5 players with more than 30 HRS

whereas in past years, some of these guys were at 30
before the all star break!!

Not sure you can equate Pudge's drop in numbers to lack
of stereoids though. Simple fact is that he's a catcher
at an advanced age for a catcher and they are all prone
to dropoffs in numbers. He just held his hall of fame
statline up for so long, we thought he could do it 5 more
seasons....

If you wanna look at a sharp decline, I'd look to Abreu.
Not saying these guys are popping pills left and right,
but they probably all dabble in something from time to time.


But I think the only ones not taking them are the young
cats coming up now. The Ryan Howards of the league.
The players who grew up with all this steroid controversy

To tell the truth, all that steroid shit don't really faze
me. Ask me, owners are a bunch of **king hypocrites anyway.
They want players doing super human shit but don't want them
taking any substances (all sports)

 

[SuperGenius]

Ok, now that they are looking to take Barry down and make him the biggest example. I bet there are numerous white boys who have been taking that shit and are just as big as him....like Roger Clemmens, but he'll be protected.

 

[c_commander]

Bobby Cox. Needed a replacement hip yet is still setting MLB records. And Randy Johnson.

 

[Havoc]

Good points made here.

 

[Actor4Truth]

Everybody. The shit was league wide. Just look at the
overall numbers. Even though you have more cats with
double figure HRs, NOBODY besides Rodriguez, Howard,
and I think Prince Felder even had close to 50 HRs. At
one point in late August, I'm looking at the stats and
there's about maybe 5 players with more than 30 HRS

whereas in past years, some of these guys were at 30
before the all star break!!

Not sure you can equate Pudge's drop in numbers to lack
of stereoids though. Simple fact is that he's a catcher
at an advanced age for a catcher and they are all prone
to dropoffs in numbers. He just held his hall of fame
statline up for so long, we thought he could do it 5 more
seasons....

If you wanna look at a sharp decline, I'd look to Abreu.
Not saying these guys are popping pills left and right,
but they probably all dabble in something from time to time.


But I think the only ones not taking them are the young
cats coming up now. The Ryan Howards of the league.
The players who grew up with all this steroid controversy

To tell the truth, all that steroid shit don't really faze
me. Ask me, owners are a bunch of **king hypocrites anyway.
They want players doing super human shit but don't want them
taking any substances (all sports)

Thats the Real Truth..! They are pro's..! There getting paid top $$$.. You do what you gotta do to produce on the field..!!! If thats a player on my squad i don't wanna hear I'm Injured..I can't play..!! I wanna hear I'm hurt, but I'm gonna do whatever the fuck I gotta do to get back on that field ASAP..! Roids make you stronger, but does it help you hit a baseball..? In most cases it just helps you Recover faster (i.e. Pitchers).. All this shit is fuckin bull shit.. due to the "War on Drugs".. I didn't hear any one complaining when Bush was an Owner.. and Getting High..!! Now he's all high and mighty.. He's above it..? How many players did he Hire, knowing they were juiced..? (Sammy).. And all the White athletes (Clemens, Giambi, Conceco, McGuwire, Caminetti) and that just Baseball..!! What about all those High school football coaches and Trainers giving the "Star QB" the needle..? (Varsity Blues)

 

[SuperGenius]

Bobby Cox. Needed a replacement hip yet is still setting MLB records. And Randy Johnson.

@ Bobby Cox

 

[GhettoBrother]

Roger Clemens - Maybe i'm wrong about this, but this is just my gut feeling that mofo did it


Miguel Tejada - Yeah he helped give Palmeiro a shot in the azz, and Palmeiro straight dry snitched on him


...just to name a few. I've got some more names, but i'm curious to hear what others think.

Who do u work for?

Man 90% of baseball players are on the stuff, but after they great white hope Roger Clemens got accused, white folks are ready to kill themselves.

 

[Rollie_Fingaz]

Clemens is no different than Bonds
By Dan Wetzel, Yahoo! Sports
December 13, 2007

Dan Wetzel
Yahoo! Sports

Year after year he peddled the same garbage, Roger Clemens was so dominant for so long because he simply outworked everyone. It played to the nation's Puritan roots, made Clemens out to be this everyman maximizing his skills through singular focus, dedication and a commitment to drinking carrot juice, or something.

It's all gone now, the legend of Rocket Roger dead on arrival of the Mitchell Report; one of the greatest pitchers of all time, his seven Cy Youngs and 354 career victories lost to history under a pile of lies and syringes.

Clemens was injected with performance-enhancing drugs and human growth hormones by his former trainer starting in 2000 and continuing many times through the years, trainer Brian McNamee told George Mitchell in great detail.

Baseball has its white Barry Bonds.

The sport has been waiting for the other shoe to drop on the 45-year-old Clemens for years. What he did defied not just age, but belief, and if there is one thing we know about commissioner Bud Selig's sorry era, it's that if something seems too good to be true, it is.

The smoking gun comes from McNamee, a former New York Yankees employee who used to work as a personal trainer for Clemens and his buddy Andy Pettitte, who is also cited in the report. McNamee is also a witness in a federal investigation and spoke to Mitchell and federal investigators under the penalty of perjury. The details are in Mitchell's 400-plus page, 20-month, $20 million report released Thursday afternoon.

Clemens refused to meet with Mitchell, according to the report. "In order to provide Clemens with information about these allegations and to give him an opportunity to respond, I asked him to meet with me; he declined," Mitchell wrote.

If McNamee is wrong and Mitchell ran with it anyway, then Clemens can sue the former Congressional leader, Major League Baseball and his drug-dealing former trainer for about a billion dollars.

This report, painstakingly investigated and detailed, may be a witch hunt to cleanse Selig's soul, but it isn't operated by fools. It’s extremely unlikely Mitchell and MLB would set itself up for such risk.

No matter what the defense that emerges, Clemens will struggle to ever win in the court of public opinion.

Which leaves baseball fans with the gut-punch reality that the generations' greatest hitter – Bonds – and greatest pitcher – Clemens – are nothing but drug-enhanced cautionary tales.

It is Clemens and his arrogance through the years that makes this one so distasteful. Just like Bonds, he relished in his greatness, seemed to mock all the other mortals who couldn't keep up with his workout regimens, his off-season drive, his freak of nature physical abilities.

He liked to convey that maybe anyone could do this, if they just were as tough as the Texas Con Man.

And just like Bonds, you have to wonder why it was ever necessary. Clemens was an all-time great back in the 1980s and early 1990s, when he was presumably clean. He had three Cy Youngs and a MVP by 1991, when he was just 28. He didn't need to cheat to become rich and famous.

Maybe it was ego, maybe jealousy, maybe insecurity. It hardly matters now that his deal with the devil just came painfully due.

There is a forgivable element to some of the other names. Baseball is a global game now, which is why there are too many factors involved – a chance to leave third-world poverty for cash-flush America – to ever end the lure of doping.

Clemens has no such excuse.

The only surprise here for anyone paying attention was that Mitchell actually caught him.

For years Bonds supporters have pointed the finger at Clemens as a sign of a media (and racial) double standard. Their guy was getting crucified daily, while Clemens was getting standing ovations and new contracts.

But until now there was never a credible link to performance-enhancing drugs. There were rumors, broad-based speculation and a tenuous mention in the Jason Grimsley affidavit. But Bonds was caught up in a federal investigation into BALCO, a prison term for Victor Conte and a mountain of other evidence.

Call it Clemens' good fortune, but there was only so much you could say. Not any longer.

Anyone who spent years spewing contempt at Bonds needs to do the same to Clemens, because there is no difference between them.

They are just two guys who had it all, foolishly went for more, and have now lost everything.

Welcome to America's pastime. Pass the peanuts and Cracker Jack.

 

[RunawaySlave]

And what's the deal with Andy Petitte?? Why he do everything Clemens does?

 

[chill82rawski]

Who took steroids? Who cares? Certainly not major league baseball. As long as these guys keep the seats filled with home runs, mlb doesn't care. People do not spend $6 for a beer to watch a light-hitting second baseman slapping singles- they pay to watch dingers. Jose Canseco should have his ass kicked. He was shitty player (the same guy who let a ball bounce off his head for a home run). He squealed once he discovered that he could no longer hit a baseball and then implicated all these other players. Congress doing reports on steroids in baseball and totally ignore crack cocaine that has ravaged the black communities. Fuck baseball.

 

[Sango]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23039704/

OH Roger!!!

 

[cranrab]

I bet there are numerous white boys who have been taking that shit and are just as big as him....like Roger Clemmens, but he'll be protected.

not so much, eh?

Report: Pettitte backed McNamee's storyby BRIAN COSTELLO, New York Post

Updated: February 12, 2008, 11:38 AM EST

Andy Pettitte was excused yesterday from testifying against his friend Roger Clemens at a congressional hearing — but it appears Pettitte already has done plenty of damage to Clemens' contention that he never used steroids or human growth hormone.

Rep. Tom Davis, the ranking Republican on the congressional committee investigating steroid use in baseball, told Newsday that Pettitte, in his deposition last week, backed up the account of Brian McNamee, the former trainer of Clemens and Pettitte.

McNamee has said Clemens used steroids and human growth hormone.

Davis told the newspaper that Pettitte's testimony matches McNamee's in most details, but that Clemens, in his deposition last week, said both of them are mistaken.

Pettitte asked to be excused from tomorrow's congressional hearing so that he would not have to testify against Clemens, and the committee's leaders granted him his request. They also excused Kirk Radomski and Chuck Knoblauch from the hearing, and Radomski from giving a deposition Tuesday.

That leaves Clemens and his accuser, McNamee, in a showdown tomorrow. They will be joined by one new witness, a member of former Senator George Mitchell's staff, Charlie Scheeler.

The move to excuse Pettitte, Knoblauch and Radomski came last night after discussions between the leadership of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform.

A source indicated to The New York Post that Pettitte verified a story McNamee told in his deposition about training at Clemens' home in 2002 with both Clemens and Pettitte. McNamee said that during a break, Pettitte said to him something like, "How come you don't give me the same stuff you give Roger?" indicating Clemens told Pettitte about his human growth hormone use.

Newsday reported that Clemens said in his affidavit that he spoke with Pettitte about medications, but not steroids or HGH.

One of Pettitte's lawyers declined comment when reached last night.

Rep. Henry Waxman (D-Calif.), chairman of the committee, and Davis (R-Va.) put out a joint statement announcing the removal of the three witnesses.

"Mr. Knoblauch and Mr. Pettitte answered all the Committee's questions and their testimony at the hearing is not needed," the statement read. "Mr. Clemens and Mr. McNamee have also cooperated with the Committee in its investigation."

Pettitte gave a deposition to the committee under oath on Feb. 4 that lasted for two and a half hours.

Clemens' lawyers said their client will stick to his denial that he ever used steroids or HGH.

"I think Andy Pettitte should do whatever is in Andy's best interest and whatever he thinks is best," said Lanny Breuer, one of Clemens' lawyers. "Roger Clemens is going to testify on Wednesday. He'll answer everything truthfully and forthrightly as he's done since the very beginning."

The committee can use Pettitte's deposition during the hearing and ask Clemens or McNamee about anything in Pettitte's testimony. It also will be part of the public record of the hearing.

Sparing him a trip to Capitol Hill appears to be a sign committee members believe Pettitte cooperated fully with their investigation, and that they do not need any more testimony from him. A source also said Pettitte was not a great witness in that his answers sometimes contradicted each other, and there was some fear of putting him in front of the committee with a national television audience watching.

 

[cranrab]

Who took steroids? Who cares? Certainly not major league baseball.

john rocker agrees with you:

Rocker says he failed MLB drug test in 2000 Associated Press

Updated: February 11, 2008, 8:39 PM EST

ATLANTA (AP) - John Rocker claims he flunked a drug test ordered by Major League Baseball in 2000 and that he, Alex Rodriguez and other Texas Rangers were advised by management and union doctors following a spring training lecture on how to effectively use steroids.

"Bud Selig knew in the year 2000 John Rocker was taking the juice," the former pitcher said Monday of the baseball commissioner on Atlanta radio station 680. "Didn't do anything about it."

Rocker was suspended for the first 14 days of the 2000 season by Selig for making racial and ethnic remarks the commissioner deemed insensitive. The penalty, originally set to cover 28 days, was reduced by an arbitrator following a grievance.

"As part of the disciplinary process, Mr. Rocker was referred to the confidential Employee Assistance Program," Major League Baseball said in a statement. "Any test of Mr. Rocker would have been conducted by professionals who ran the EAP. Those professionals were obligated to maintain the confidentiality of the result and to use it in developing a treatment and education program for Mr. Rocker. Further discipline was not an option legally available to Major League Baseball at that time."

Rocker said that doctors from management and the players' association, following a spring training talk with the Texas Rangers about steroids and other topics, pulled himself, A-Rod, Rafael Palmeiro and Ivan Rodriguez aside. Rocker was with the Rangers in 2002.

"Looks guys, if you take one kind of steroid, you don't triple stack them and take them 10 months out of the year like Lyle Alzado did," Rocker said the doctors told them. "If you do it responsibly, it's not going to hurt you."

Rocker did not identify the doctors.

Baseball did not have a drug-testing agreement between management and the players' union until September 2002 and did not have random testing with penalties until 2004.

Gene Orza, the chief operating officer of the players' association, declined comment.