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Lawsuit seeks to order Detroit to restore water service to deadbeats

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Do these people have a case? How about if you want water pay your bill? :dunno:

A group of Detroit residents has filed a lawsuit in the city’s bankruptcy case asking U.S. Bankruptcy Judge Steven Rhodes to restore water service to residential customers.

The residents, backed by a coalition of activist and community groups, allege that the city is violating the constitutional rights and contractual rights by shutting off water for those who owe back-payments.

While the City of Detroit has made tremendous progress over the past year towards crafting a plan to emerge from bankruptcy, its effort to shore up the finances of the Detroit Water and Sewerage Department have been heavily criticized and have captured the attention of the national media. Critics have portrayed water service as an essential human right.

“Water provided through public utilities is a necessity of modern life and continued access to it is a property right accorded due process protections,” the group said in its lawsuit filed with the court today.

The lawsuit was filed by 10 residents along with the Michigan Welfare Rights Organization, People’s Water Board and the Michigan chapter of the National Action Network and Moratorium Now!

The group is asking Rhodes to issue a temporary restraining order to stop all water shut-offs and restore service at least until a hearing can be held in bankruptcy court and the group’s arguments can be presented. Ultimately, the lawsuit asks the judge to order the Detroit Water and Sewerage Department to put a “implement a water affordability plan with income based payments for ...residential customers.”

The city has shut off water to a total of 7,556 customers in April and May.
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is water provided by the city a human right?
 
thats like tryin to sue a car dealership for repossessing your car when you are 4 months behind in payments.
pay your note on time, and monthly like you're supposed to, and you aint gotta worry about the shit.
 
voyuer said:
Do these people have a case? How about if you want water pay your bill? :dunno:



is water provided by the city a human right?
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You dont understand the politics behind this. But they black, give them water.

A city that is going thru gentrification and saw bankruptcy this is all politics.
 
Nobody ever tells the complete story when it comes to this. It's not just a case of people refusing to pay. Some of these people are being charged for what the previous tenant ran up, and some of the corporations are behind, but they aren't being cut off. There are a lot of moving parts with this story.
 
Fuzzy_McNut said:
You dont understand the politics behind this. But they black, give them water.

A city that is going thru gentrification and saw bankruptcy this is all politics.
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i am from detroit. born and raised in political circles. i understand the politics.

with that said how can anyone complain about a service being turned off when they haven't paid their bill in months. its not like people are getting shut off for a couple of missed payments.

some of these people haven't paid in years.
 
woodchuck said:
Nobody ever tells the complete story when it comes to this. It's not just a case of people refusing to pay. Some of these people are being charged for what the previous tenant ran up, and some of the corporations are behind, but they aren't being cut off. There are a lot of moving parts with this story.
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with all of that said most of the people are people that just haven't paid. :dunno:

and bringing up other people/businesses that haven't paid is like going to traffic court and saying 'there were other people speeding too.' that is not going to go over well.

and as of a few weeks ago delinquent companies are also getting turned off.
 
Coldchi said:
thats like tryin to sue a car dealership for repossessing your car when you are 4 months behind in payments.
pay your note on time, and monthly like you're supposed to, and you aint gotta worry about the shit.
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this is what i don't get. pay your bill. you won't get shut off.

and for the people that have extenuating circumstances the water department is offering alot of help. all they have to do is make arrangements for the help.

this is bullshit to me.
 
voyuer said:
with all of that said most of the people are people that just haven't paid. :dunno:

and bringing up other people/businesses that haven't paid is like going to traffic court and saying 'there were other people speeding too.' that is not going to go over well.

and as of a few weeks ago delinquent companies are also getting turned off.
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I'm just saying that the story isn't that cut and dry when it comes to Detroit as a whole.
 
voyuer said:
i am from detroit. born and raised in political circles. i understand the politics.

with that said how can anyone complain about a service being turned off when they haven't paid their bill in months. its not like people are getting shut off for a couple of missed payments.

some of these people haven't paid in years.
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Same reason why if all students fail the teacher grades on a curve. Because the teacher was shitty he also knows he has to pass students.

Same here, we have a very shitty mayor and he is not grading on a curve. We have some people that get insurance quotes for 500 a month car insurance. You cant afford that so they offered that bullshit 10 dsy insurance.

The mayor govenor and president has failed Detroit. How can you expect people to pay for water when they fucking have to deal with all this b.s. trying to take pensions from people that worked 20 years. Dude I ssw and I will upload it cuz I recorded it, a man who had to be about 65 at the youngest busting open a fire hydrant to fill up a bucket for water to clean himself. He was not one of those 66 year old crack head bums hanging ay the gas station either. I almost cried when I saw that.

Shit is very real I was considering doing a doc on Detroit going thru the city with my camera
 
Fuzzy_McNut said:
Same reason why if all students fail the teacher grades on a curve. Because the teacher was shitty he also knows he has to pass students.

Same here, we have a very shitty mayor and he is not grading on a curve. We have some people that get insurance quotes for 500 a month car insurance. You cant afford that so they offered that bullshit 10 dsy insurance.

The mayor govenor and president has failed Detroit. How can you expect people to pay for water when they fucking have to deal with all this b.s. trying to take pensions from people that worked 20 years. Dude I ssw and I will upload it cuz I recorded it, a man who had to be about 65 at the youngest busting open a fire hydrant to fill up a bucket for water to clean himself. He was not one of those 66 year old crack head bums hanging ay the gas station either. I almost cried when I saw that.

Shit is very real I was considering doing a doc on Detroit going thru the city with my camera
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the average water bill for a resident in detroit is 75 dollars.

pay rates for water bills is about 36%.

pay rates for cable tv, and cellphones are just under 80%.

what does paying the water bill which everyone has to do have to do with grading on a curve?
 
Famous1 said:
as a human being i say give them free water.

and air too..
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water is free. you can cart as much of it from the river or catch as much rain as you want.

water service is contributing to the infrastructure of the systema and paying for cleaning, delivering and removing of sewage.
 
They cutting off a lot of homes of people who rent and the landlord suppose to be paying the water bill. So yes it a messy situation.
 
Fuzzy_McNut said:
Same here, we have a very shitty mayor and he is not grading on a curve. We have some people that get insurance quotes for 500 a month car insurance. You cant afford that so they offered that bullshit 10 dsy insurance.
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the people offering that 10 day insurance are scam artists and the people using that 10 day insurance are buying it just so that they can drive a new car off of the lot.

yes most major urban areas have a problem with redlining. its one of the reasons that i chose not to live in detroit when i graduated. the insurance both home and car were way to high. to insure me at a detroit address would have been 2400 every six months. in ann arbor where i went to school it was 600 every six months. no brainer there.

but water is not redlined. as a matter of fact detroit residents have the cheapest water rates in the region. the suburbs pay way more for water that detroit.
 
voyuer said:
the average water bill for a resident in detroit is 75 dollars.

pay rates for water bills is about 36%.

pay rates for cable tv, and cellphones are just under 80%.

what does paying the water bill which everyone has to do have to do with grading on a curve?
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Average water bill, try getting the mode of that stat

My water bill is 30 is my average. So dont get me started others have 150
 
avantastic said:
They cutting off a lot of homes of people who rent and the landlord suppose to be paying the water bill. So yes it a messy situation.
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yes, this here is a messed up situation. but once again this is not the fault of the city. it is the fault of the land lord.

what makes this the responsibility of the city?
 
voyuer said:
when i lived in the city briefly recently mine was 26. so what. i said average.
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If you gave the stats of the people that have they water cut off then that would be different. You must have forgot they cut foodstamps back in nov. And slowly kept doing it. That money has to be made up....if you on a tight budget you on a tight budget. Dont forget how many people this year lost unemployment when Obama begged Congress to extend it.
 
It has just been too much shit happen to Detroit

Detroit still the only major city without a mass transit system. Yesh you have d dot. But if I want to take a bus from Detroit to auburn hills that may be about 3 hours one way no BS

I can't hop on a train and go to Ann srbor.

This is by design


In nee York their is buses subways cabs everywhere

They doing this on purpose

If they wanted to fix Detroit they would have mass transit
 
Fuzzy_McNut said:
If you gave the stats of the people that have they water cut off then that would be different. You must have forgot they cut foodstamps back in nov. And slowly kept doing it. That money has to be made up....if you on a tight budget you on a tight budget. Dont forget how many people this year lost unemployment when Obama begged Congress to extend it.
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priorities. just because a person is on assistance does not mean that they should neglect the essentials.

and most of the delinquencies are not assisted people. its just people that said fuck it i aint paying.
 
They was supposed to have affordable insurance called d insurance......this summer. Nothing


Man, shit need to change. When shit like this happens it has a domino affect. Not a major but has a rippling affect
 
Fuzzy_McNut said:
It has just been too much shit happen to Detroit

Detroit still the only major city without a mass transit system. Yesh you have d dot. But if I want to take a bus from Detroit to auburn hills that may be about 3 hours one way no BS

I can't hop on a train and go to Ann srbor.

This is by design


In nee York their is buses subways cabs everywhere

They doing this on purpose

If they wanted to fix Detroit they would have mass transit
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it is beginning.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detroit_M-1_Rail_Line

http://www.mlive.com/business/detroit/index.ssf/2014/06/woodward_avenue_in_downtown_de.html
 
Fuzzy_McNut said:
They was supposed to have affordable insurance called d insurance......this summer. Nothing


Man, shit need to change. When shit like this happens it has a domino affect. Not a major but has a rippling affect
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the mayor made the proposal. the insurance companies are doing everything they can to block it.

http://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/index.ssf/2014/02/detroit_mayor_looking_to_creat.html

http://www.crainsdetroit.com/articl...ans-idea-of-city-owned-auto-insurance-company
 
Fuzzy_McNut said:
They was supposed to have affordable insurance called d insurance......this summer. Nothing


Man, shit need to change. When shit like this happens it has a domino affect. Not a major but has a rippling affect
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and none of this has anything to do with a mofo paying their water bill. that is an essential bill.
 

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