Jemele Hill: Nipsey Hussle Conspiracy Theories Are a Distraction

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It Hurts to See Nipsey Hussle’s Life Not Mattering
After a celebrated rapper is murdered, some admirers turn to wild theories, because the reality is too hard to face

Jemele Hill
The Atlantic

I didn’t know Nipsey Hussle, but I knew Nipsey Hussle.

Hussle’s murder in his Los Angeles neighborhood last Sunday was a heartbreaking conclusion to an unfortunately common story. Another talented young black man was senselessly killed, police say, by another black man, leaving behind mourning families and communities that have become accustomed to absorbing such standard trauma.

It hurts to see this version of a black life not mattering. But part of making any kind of sense of Hussle’s death means keeping it real about the ruthless violence plaguing far too many African American communities, including the neighborhood Hussle was committed to transforming and saving.

Soon after Hussle’s death, conspiracy theories flooded the internet. The entertainer Nick Cannon seemed to allude to this in an Instagram post in which he pledged to continue Hussle’s community work. Cannon wrote in a lengthy post, “Because they can’t kill us all! Spiritual Warfare is REAL and in full effect.” Even Hussle’s final tweet—“Having strong enemies is a blessing”—is drawing comparisons to when Malcolm X predicted his own assassination.

Hussle preached ownership and advocated strengthening the financial base in forgotten black communities. He wanted to create avenues for young black people to better their lives and reshape their world.

But Hussle wasn’t killed because he was a symbol of black liberation. He was killed because, as the old adage goes, not everyone in your circle is necessarily in your corner.

These conspiracy theories were so easy for some to grasp because the truth is much more difficult to accept. Hussle was killed right outside his own clothing store in broad daylight. The Los Angeles police have asserted that a 29-year-old suspect named Eric Holder murdered Hussle over a personal beef. TMZ cited unnamed law-enforcement sources as saying that Holder, who was captured after a two-day manhunt, had resorted to violence because he felt disrespected by Hussle.

If Hussle hadn’t been a well-known rapper, the story of his death would be sadly ordinary because of the grim statistics on the proliferation of violence in the black community.

According to FBI crime statistics, more than 15,000 Americans were murdered in 2017, and a staggering 51.9 percent of the victims were black. Although violent crime has decreased in Los Angeles in the past year, Hussle’s death, unfortunately, was part of a recent wave of violence in the South Los Angeles area where the rapper operated his business. Last week, 26 people were shot, and 10 died.

The most recent crime statistics in Los Angeles show that despite the fact that blacks account for just 8 percent of the city’s population, they make up 36 percent of homicide victims. Compare that with the homicide rate for whites, who are 29 percent of the Los Angeles population, but only 5 percent of the city’s homicide victims.

Even though the plague of violence in African American communities has been known for years, it’s more comforting to think that—as one theory went—Hussle’s death was tied to the documentary he was working on about the controversial Honduran healer Alfredo Bowman, better known as Dr. Sebi. Before dying in 2016, Bowman claimed to have herbal cures for arthritis, AIDS, and diabetes, as well as other, terminal diseases. For years, conspiracists have pushed the idea that Bowman was killed because he was a threat to big pharmaceutical companies.

For another group of conspiracists, it’s more comforting to think that, because Hussle joined with the real-estate developer David Gross to open a co-working space and STEM center in his old Crenshaw neighborhood, and was scheduled to meet with the Los Angeles police to discuss solutions for curbing gang violence in South L.A., the establishment feared him so much that it took his life. (Don’t even ask why the establishment would cut him down for preventing violence.)

There are certainly plenty of precedents for black leaders and change agents dying long before they should have. Shamefully, there are too many examples of our own government abusing its power to undermine those who dared to challenge the status quo. African Americans haven’t forgotten that the FBI spied on Martin Luther King Jr. and worked tirelessly to discredit him and other civil-rights leaders because of their growing power.

The murders of Tupac Shakur and Notorious B.I.G. still haven’t been solved. Six activists tied to the protests in Ferguson, Missouri, nearly five years ago have died. Not surprisingly, some people don’t trust the police’s word that the activists’ deaths are unrelated to one another. A Ferguson activist named Cori Bush recently told the Associated Press she has faced significant harassment in the wake of the protests, including someone shooting into her car with her then-13-year-old daughter inside. “They shut us up, and they win,” Bush said.

But in Hussle’s case, wasting time furthering conspiracy theories is only a distraction from unpacking why so many African American boys and men are victimized by violence, or see it as the only way to resolve conflict.

There are a number of reasons for it: lack of access to real opportunity, the poor education systems that are a staple in so many urban environments, the stench of white supremacy.

Still, let’s also not lose sight of the fact that black masculinity is complex but at times riddled with toxicity. So many black boys and men see their manhood as their last stronghold in a world that all too often shows that it does not value or protect them. Hussle, who spoke openly about his affiliation with the Rollin’ 60s, a Los Angeles gang, wanted to show members of a vulnerable community that he genuinely cared about their well-being, so that maybe some of them wouldn’t feel the need to resort to their worst instincts. Hussle was a great example of possibility. Once he started coming into his own success, he reached back to provide bootstraps to those who never had any.

There are dynamics in place that make it more difficult for black men such as Hussle to rise above the structural barriers that are constant roadblocks to their success. But it is also true that on a daily basis, black boys and men are being conditioned to exact the punishment that’s been heaped on them. And little thought is given to what’s being destroyed in the process.
 
Man her writing is terrible. Where the is Ta-Nehisi Coates when you need him. I get it, but I just don't like this angle.

Damn Jemele not you, too :smh::smh::smh:


She's been on that bullshit....

She cosigned that article that said " Straight black men are the white people of black people "a couple years ago.....This was after many black men supported her after ESPN let her go for her Trump comments...
 
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So-called 'toxic masculinity' is to blame for everything these days. :smh: I hope there's a pushback with calling out 'toxic femininity'.

Toxic masculinity sounds like fag speak

Damn Jemele not you, too :smh::smh::smh:

Exactly! She trying to get back in good!

Re: toxic masculinity

Was his final message of “Having strong enemies is a blessing” not a boast of how strong he was to be able to endure those enemies?

The need to be Bishop from Juice is "toxic masculinity" to me. Stomping some nobody at the MGM after a Tyson fight. Pushing the image of a tough guy with bad enemies.

She's not on some "fuck men" shit here... And certainly not "fuck black men."
 
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Re: toxic masculinity

Was his final message of “Having strong enemies is a blessing” not a boast of how strong he was to be able to endure those enemies?

The need to be Bishop from Juice is "toxic masculinity" to me. Stomping some nobody at the MGM after a Tyson fight. Pushing the image of a tough guy with bad enemies.

She's not on some "fuck men" shit here... And certainly not "fuck black men."
The whole concept of gang banging is literally toxic masculinity. I guess they skipped the part where she said it got 26 people in the same area shot. He's just the famous one. They're more worried about shit she's said before and can't accept the truth she's saying NOW. Which again, is exactly what she's saying they would do. No one wants to face it. That's toxic.
 
Welp, the killer was a snitch aka govmt informant which means they gave him something in return for his services of snitchery, therefore he is something like an employee of the state.

Why is everybody acting so trippy because some people wanna point a finger at the usual suspects?
 
Re: toxic masculinity

Was his final message of “Having strong enemies is a blessing” not a boast of how strong he was to be able to endure those enemies?

The need to be Bishop from Juice is "toxic masculinity" to me. Stomping some nobody at the MGM after a Tyson fight. Pushing the image of a tough guy with bad enemies.

She's not on some "fuck men" shit here... And certainly not "fuck black men."

That having strong enemies shit sounded like retard speak. Even if he didnt get popped right afterwards.
 
Welp, the killer was a snitch aka govmt informant which means they gave him something in return for his services of snitchery, therefore he is something like an employee of the state.

Why is everybody acting so trippy because some people wanna point a finger at the usual suspects?

Because Nipsy never left his hood. He continued to give back. If we chalk up his death to just "****** shit" black folks who left and never looked back can hollar "see, thats why I primarily live around and do business with white folks"

I dont know about government conspiracy, but the murder was an obvious hit and its more to it than a nigga just woke up last Sunday and decided to kill a person cuz he a "hater".
 
Some of that so called conspiracy could be true maybe not all of it or most of it. The tongue is the most unruly member or part of the human body. Sometimes it tells the truth weather you meant to or not.
 
Let's focus on the indisputable facts from her article. The stats.

According to FBI crime statistics, more than 15,000 Americans were murdered in 2017, and a staggering 51.9 percent of the victims were black. Although violent crime has decreased in Los Angeles in the past year, Hussle’s death, unfortunately, was part of a recent wave of violence in the South Los Angeles area where the rapper operated his business. Last week, 26 people were shot, and 10 died.

The most recent crime statistics in Los Angeles show that despite the fact that blacks account for just 8 percent of the city’s population, they make up 36 percent of homicide victims. Compare that with the homicide rate for whites, who are 29 percent of the Los Angeles population, but only 5 percent of the city’s homicide victims.

These stats suggests that there have been many young black men who have lost their lives from gun violence from the hands of someone who looks like them, usually from their own community. Ignoring these stats is ignoring the problem. Ms. Hill is attempting to point out what most of us already know, but, don't necessarily want to face/focus on, which is the senseless gun violence that results in so many deaths of brothers and sisters in way too many black neighborhoods.

I think a lot of us have become numb to the news of gun violence in our communities, unless, of course, the victim is famous or the victim is as a result of police fuckery.

Just imagine if we had a post dedicated to the brothers who met their untimely death to gun violence in the hood. Let's say for example we just focus on major cities. How many names do you think we will have in a month? Some of it is drug and gang related stuff, but, we aren't the only ones who deal drugs or join gangs.

The bottom line is that the gun violence in the hood has to be addressed and tackled by us or it will never be solved. There must be a way to learn how to diffuse disagreements amongst each other without feeling the need to end someone's life.



 
I’m learning to hate the word - Toxic.

Young culture/mentality is messy, often it stays outside of the lines. But most importantly it’s fluid, it changes and morphs, it rarely stays in one place. The most important thing is that it learns and grows.

Labeling something as toxic means it has to be removed, eliminated, abated. It is similar to CACs labeling black culture as toxic, when they poisoned the exact atmosphere.
 
Let's focus on the indisputable facts from her article. The stats.

According to FBI crime statistics, more than 15,000 Americans were murdered in 2017, and a staggering 51.9 percent of the victims were black. Although violent crime has decreased in Los Angeles in the past year, Hussle’s death, unfortunately, was part of a recent wave of violence in the South Los Angeles area where the rapper operated his business. Last week, 26 people were shot, and 10 died.

The most recent crime statistics in Los Angeles show that despite the fact that blacks account for just 8 percent of the city’s population, they make up 36 percent of homicide victims. Compare that with the homicide rate for whites, who are 29 percent of the Los Angeles population, but only 5 percent of the city’s homicide victims.

These stats suggests that there have been many young black men who have lost their lives from gun violence from the hands of someone who looks like them, usually from their own community. Ignoring these stats is ignoring the problem. Ms. Hill is attempting to point out what most of us already know, but, don't necessarily want to face/focus on, which is the senseless gun violence that results in so many deaths of brothers and sisters in way too many black neighborhoods.

I think a lot of us have become numb to the news of gun violence in our communities, unless, of course, the victim is famous or the victim is as a result of police fuckery.

Just imagine if we had a post dedicated to the brothers who met their untimely death to gun violence in the hood. Let's say for example we just focus on major cities. How many names do you think we will have in a month? Some of it is drug and gang related stuff, but, we aren't the only ones who deal drugs or join gangs.

The bottom line is that the gun violence in the hood has to be addressed and tackled by us or it will never be solved. There must be a way to learn how to diffuse disagreements amongst each other without feeling the need to end someone's life.




Where did the guns come from?

And the drugs?

And where did the jobs go?
 
I started to read the article but stopped. There will be plenty of comments about the brotha in the upcoming weeks. Everything from his beginnings to his end. Everything will be critiqued. All I can say is I wish muthafuckas would at least try to get back to throwing hands when there's a beef. There's no redemption when you reach for a gun first. Crazy.......
 
Where did the guns come from?

And the drugs?

And where did the jobs go?
Why does this matter? Are there no guns and drugs in other neighborhoods? There is plenty of blame to go around concerning our financial and mental health in our communities, but, the act of shooting a fellow man/woman is a judgement call made by whom ever has their finger on the trigger. Is that person unable to rationalize right get from wrong because they grew up in the hood?

I am pretty sure that the friends and family members of victims of gun violence could care less about where the guns or drugs came from. They are simply mourning the violent death of a loved one and are usually seeking immediate justice against perpetrators.....whether street or justice system.

Do you have any idea of how many shootings/killings occur over arguments? So many instances where someone gets smoked for a simple verbal dispute that might not have anything to do with money or drugs.....eg Chi Ali.

What is a good enough reason to kill a man? This is a decision of which people seem to make rather easily every single day in this country. Dude disrespected me....so.....I'm going to go back home to get my gun to kill dude. Are you saying that this behavior will continue to be the norm unless we improve job opportunities?

Why can't we address conflict resolution, which in my opinion, is the root of too many killings? What happened to shooting a fair one? What about getting family members involved to help mediate situation? What about the church or mosque or community leaders? Some other way to try and rectify dispute before deciding to end someone's life. I'm just asking.........put aside drug dealing and gang stuff.......just verbal disputes between one brother and another.

I don't have the answers, but, I know that we are smart enough people to think of some. Or maybe not.......it is what it is and so it shall be.
 
Let's focus on the indisputable facts from her article. The stats.

According to FBI crime statistics, more than 15,000 Americans were murdered in 2017, and a staggering 51.9 percent of the victims were black. Although violent crime has decreased in Los Angeles in the past year, Hussle’s death, unfortunately, was part of a recent wave of violence in the South Los Angeles area where the rapper operated his business. Last week, 26 people were shot, and 10 died.

The most recent crime statistics in Los Angeles show that despite the fact that blacks account for just 8 percent of the city’s population, they make up 36 percent of homicide victims. Compare that with the homicide rate for whites, who are 29 percent of the Los Angeles population, but only 5 percent of the city’s homicide victims.

These stats suggests that there have been many young black men who have lost their lives from gun violence from the hands of someone who looks like them, usually from their own community. Ignoring these stats is ignoring the problem. Ms. Hill is attempting to point out what most of us already know, but, don't necessarily want to face/focus on, which is the senseless gun violence that results in so many deaths of brothers and sisters in way too many black neighborhoods.

I think a lot of us have become numb to the news of gun violence in our communities, unless, of course, the victim is famous or the victim is as a result of police fuckery.

Just imagine if we had a post dedicated to the brothers who met their untimely death to gun violence in the hood. Let's say for example we just focus on major cities. How many names do you think we will have in a month? Some of it is drug and gang related stuff, but, we aren't the only ones who deal drugs or join gangs.

The bottom line is that the gun violence in the hood has to be addressed and tackled by us or it will never be solved. There must be a way to learn how to diffuse disagreements amongst each other without feeling the need to end someone's life.


Yeah, there's a fucking problem. Cats wilding out. No shit. Ain't shit change. It's a relatively small percent of people causing all the fucking problems in the hood. So much energy is spent on them instead of concentrating on the 90+ percent who aren't out here shooting and acting a fucking fool.

You know why gun violence is so bad in the hood? Because a cat can get arrested for carrying and illegal gun and get papers. AFTER that charge, he can get having a gun on disability and still not see prison.

Just a small percentage of people have to be removed from the street. Those fucking clowns who keep carrying illegal firearms.
 
Why does this matter? Are there no guns and drugs in other neighborhoods?
Are you saying that this behavior will continue to be the norm unless we improve job opportunities?

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I said that specifically so you could do the thing you did
Which didn't answer the question

It's indoctrination conditioning

To see the worst in yourself and to only blame yourself especially for conditions you didn't put yourself in

When you refuse to look at the totality of things, you can't get things fixed.

If you only try to fix the effect and not the cause how can the effect be fixed?


Are there drugs and drugs in other communities.
YES and in every community that is riddled with drugs it goes through the SAME THING regardless if it doesn't get headlines or not which is a different discussion
These precious white folks that are fucked up out here on welfare and getting football numbers from drug dealing as well as strung out on horse are suffering just now from the same plan that was implemented in OUR NEIGHBORHOODS FIRST
the difference is when it hit their neighborhood the people responsible for the "flood" are working to rehabilitate, not lock up (see the sudden difference in sentencing guidelines for certain people and the call to action to treat addicts instead of lock them up which had been the case in our community since the beginning of time in this place)

Next if you look at the history of the place she's writing about its clear to see what happened.
It was literally a middle class place for black families. LITERALLY
what happened? Did they decide to just go ahead and be on some fuck shit?
NOPE. the jobs left after the jobs left they lost their houses. They became depressed. They turned to drugs as the ecosystem and the "plant" that theyd formerly worked at.
Now you cope using drugs and you supplement income dealing drugs. How did they get there?
Again it is proven regardless of color that if you take away jobs and opportunities in particular communities then they turn to crime PERIOD there is no exception and nowhere you can look in this country where that hasn't happened.
https://smartech.gatech.edu/bitstream/handle/1853/53294/theeffectsofunemploymentoncimerates.pdf

Our results support our hypothesis that lower economic status, specifically higher unemployment leads to higher crimes rates, both property and crime. The introduction of more police officers does deter violent crime some, but the greatest indicator of crime rates out of all the variables we tested was poverty rates.
A one percent increase in the unemployment rate will increase the violent crime rate by 14.3 per 100,000 inhabitants. ... A one percent increase in the poverty rate will increase the violent crime rate by 23.9 per 100,000 inhabitants

Yes. If there were more viable opportunities the crime rate would decrease.

By and large people do not have the will to hurdle the obstacles put in place to get them to the places they need to be. That's not a black thing that's a human thing true across the board and shown with the way things are setup to help some and not others.

We need to look at ALL OF IT not just some of it.
If you tell someone well just don't do drugs...look at why they are? Maybe its not for fun.
I have yet to meet a drug dealer who chose to get into the drug dealing game rather than go to college or open up a business that they had a grant/loan to open.
Nobody has ever been like NO THANKS to that shit.

It's ALL connected.
don't point a finger.
truly look at it and then figure out ways to combat the things that lead to this shit.
 
there is nothing political or conspiratorial about this murder...just more of the same hood shyt we've seen a thousand times before

the only difference being nipsey was famous and had money

I don’t know why people even ran with that whole conspiracy thing. A rapper most people didn’t even know and they’re pushing some “the government did it” excuse. If he had made a Dr. Sebi documentary most of them wouldn’t even have watched it since it was dealing with healthy eating and stuff

The whole concept of gang banging is literally toxic masculinity. I guess they skipped the part where she said it got 26 people in the same area shot. He's just the famous one. They're more worried about shit she's said before and can't accept the truth she's saying NOW. Which again, is exactly what she's saying they would do. No one wants to face it. That's toxic.

I dont know about government conspiracy, but the murder was an obvious hit and its more to it than a nigga just woke up last Sunday and decided to kill a person cuz he a "hater".

People get killed for that exact same reason everyday and it’s what she is calling “toxic masculinity”. Dudes acting like they can’t take a L in a fight or even an argument without feeling like they have to come back with a gun. You got dudes out here killing people who they’ve grown up with and known all their lives because they felt the person disrespected them
 
My heart goes out to Nipsey and his family and I am sorry that he’s gone but he died over bullshit. It wasn’t a government conspiracy or a plot by The Man to take him out. He died over some nigga shit. I saw something on social media where they tried to compare his death to Huey P Newton. We forget that Huey was gunned down trying to cop some rock in the hood. I wish it didn’t take the death of a rapper for everyone to unite and come together. I wish that people would get just as pissed and fired up and take action when WE take each other out! It’s amazing how we can all Kum Ba Ya when white folks hunt us down like dogs in the street but stay silent when Junebug popped a cap in Raheem’s ass the other day. It’s toxic as fuck but nobody wants to air dirty laundry and deal with it. This shit ain’t that deep. It’s time for US to stop picking and choosing what we wanna deal with and do some serious soul searching as a people. Shit... I am still pissed that XXXtencion is dead and Zimmerman is still free!
 
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