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Jay-Z Jumps To No. 1 On The Hot 100
by Silvio Pietroluongo

Jay-Z will earn his fourth Hot 100 No. 1, but his first as a lead or co-billed performer, as his collaboration with Alicia Keys, "Empire State of Mind," will top the chart to be released tomorrow.

The legendary rapper's prior chart-topping entries came as a featured vocalist on Mariah Carey's "Heartbreaker" (1999), his now-wife's "Crazy In Love" (2003) and Rihanna's "Umbrella" (2007). "Empire" is also Keys' fourth overall No. 1, as she previously scaled the list with her debut single "Fallin'" (2001), her duet with Usher, "My Boo," (2004) and "No One" (2007).

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http://www.billboard.com/#/news/jay-z-jumps-to-no-1-on-the-hot-100-1004043615.story

I notice a pattern with his most successful hits prior to this...



"Making hits is easy
Put a famous bitch on the hook there you go with a platinum CD"​


I'm not "hating," I actually really like the song with Alicia Keys. Much better than the "Run This Town" single which is only good for Rihanna's part. I've just had this line in my mind for a little while and it occurred to me where it was from in the Nas/Rakim thread and I posted this in response to shit-talking about Rakim's failed comeback.
 
I notice a pattern with his most successful hits prior to this...
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He's just a feature usually and his part in the songs named really weren't needed to make the song #1.
 
34real said:
He's just a feature usually and his part in the songs named really weren't needed to make the song #1.
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It might not have been a big contribution to the song (musically) but I think, given where her career was when they released it, he probably had a lot to do with Umbrella, which helped to launch Rihanna's career. Trivial but possibly difference-making.
 
Costanza said:
I notice a pattern with his most successful hits prior to this...

"Making hits is easy
Put a famous bitch on the hook there you go with a platinum CD"
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That covers just about EVERY successful rap track of the last decade or so. Few could make it anywhere near #1 on the pop charts without the help of a melodic hook. They wouldn't even get played otherwise.
 
however the fuck he's done it, he's done it consistently, where others haven't.

I'll take that consistency any day.
 
Blunt said:
That covers just about EVERY successful rap track of the last decade or so. Few could make it anywhere near #1 on the pop charts without the help of a melodic hook. They wouldn't even get played otherwise.
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Eminem's #1 hits this decade (from wikipedia, considers multiple countries)
"The Real Slim Shady"
"Without Me"
"Lose Yourself"
"Just Lose It"
"Like Toy Soldiers"
"When I'm Gone"
"Smack That"
"Crack a Bottle"
"We Made You"
"Beautiful"
(Of these, two were #1 in the U.S. and two were #2. "Stan" is excluded.)

Recently, you also have Lil Wayne's Lollipop, TI's Whatever You Like, Kanye has done it, so has Mim's for fuck's sake.
 
Costanza said:
Eminem's #1 hits this decade (from wikipedia, considers multiple countries)
"The Real Slim Shady"
"Without Me"
"Lose Yourself"
"Just Lose It"
"Like Toy Soldiers"
"When I'm Gone"
"Smack That"
"Crack a Bottle"
"We Made You"
"Beautiful"
(Of these, two were #1 in the U.S. and two were #2. "Stan" is excluded.)

Recently, you also have Lil Wayne's Lollipop, TI's Whatever You Like, Kanye has done it, so has Mim's for fuck's sake.
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You're right. Rap tracks with melodic sampling, melodic background vocals, sing-song "novelty" choruses or female/male hooks have been huge failures on the pop charts.

Martika ("Toy Soldiers") is :rolleyes:

This all came into vogue around 2001. It's funny you use Eminem (who's a very melodic rapper all by himself). When "Lose Yourself" went to #1 in 2002, four of the other 6 #1 hits that year were: "Always on Time," Ain't It Funny," "Hot in Herre" and "Dilemma." All featuring females (in this case) singing hooks, choruses or other vocals. The next year it was "Bump Bump Bump," "All I Have," "Crazy in Love," "Baby Boy," and "Stand Up." So on and so forth.
 
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exiledking said:
however the fuck he's done it, he's done it consistently, where others haven't.

I'll take that consistency any day.
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He hasn't gotten #1 records consistently, which is the matter at hand.

I was just surprised because I would have assumed he hit #1 a long time ago with Big Pimpin' or something like that... It wasn't meant as a knock, though my observation about his greatest success always coming with the help of "a famous bitch" is meant as a knock.

I was similarly surprised when Hip Hop Is Dead hit #1 and I found out Nas hadn't had a #1 album up until that point...
Sampson said:
Shiiiiiiit, that album was my soundtrack for all of 2003. :D But he's fallen the fuck off since. :smh:
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Street's Disciple was a step back IMO. I think Hip Hop Is Dead and "Untitled" are two of his strongest albums overall, though. I think they can rival Stillmatic and God's Son, though I'm not ready to attempt to rank them.
 
Blunt said:
You're right. Rap tracks with melodic sampling, melodic background vocals, sing-song choruses or female/male hooks have been huge failures on the pop charts.

:rolleyes:
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You dumbass, that was the main point of this thread... What you quoted was countering your point that it was the ONLY way to get a #1 song and that a rapper couldn't even get played otherwise, which is complete bullshit.

Sarcasm isn't your strong suit, stick to blunt idiocy.
 
Costanza said:
Street's Disciple was a step back IMO. I think Hip Hop Is Dead and "Untitled" are two of his strongest albums overall, though. I think they can rival Stillmatic and God's Son, though I'm not ready to attempt to rank them.
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This is how I see it:

Illmatic
The Lost Tapes
It Was Written
Stillmatic
Gods Son
Hiphop is dead
Untitled
Streets Disciple
Nastradamous


Congrats to Jay
 
Costanza said:
You dumbass, that was the main point of this thread... What you quoted was countering your point that it was the ONLY way to get a #1 song and that a rapper couldn't even get played otherwise, which is complete bullshit.
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Without a MELODIC hook (either sampled or vocalized) FEW rappers are gonna get played on pop radio or sniff #1. That's a FACT (and common sense)!!! Using a unique artist like Eminem (or novelty acts like Lil Wayne or Soulja Boy) as an example doesn't make your case.
 
Blunt said:
Without a MELODIC hook (either sampled or vocalized) FEW rappers are gonna get played on pop radio or sniff #1. That's a FACT (and common sense)!!! Using a unique artist like Eminem (or novelty acts like Lil Wayne or Soulja Boy) as an example doesn't make your case.
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:rolleyes:​
 
:lol: @ Blunt editing its post adding caveats...

Blunt said:
Without a MELODIC hook (either sampled or vocalized) FEW rappers are gonna get played on pop radio or sniff #1. That's a FACT (and common sense)!!! Using a unique artist like Eminem (or novelty acts like Lil Wayne or Soulja Boy) as an example doesn't make your case.
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Music needs more unique artists, but what makes Eminem so unique? There have been white rappers before and since, all with a lesser impact.

What makes Lil Wayne a novelty act? Is this just a way of dismissing any facts which do not conform to your ridiculous proclamations?
 
Costanza said:
Lose Yourself had a melodic hook?
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Did I say it did??? Eminem is on another level, especially with that cinema-enhanced track.

But I think 4 of this year's rap/sung #1 hits did:

"Right Round"
"Boom Boom Pow"
"I Got a Feeling"
"Empire State of Mind" (Keys' hook is what really makes the track memorable)

Do I need to breakdown 2008, 2007 ...?

Funny how you forgot T.I and Rihanna's #1 "Live Your Life."
 
Hellfish said:
This is how I see it:

Illmatic
The Lost Tapes
It Was Written
Stillmatic
Gods Son
Hiphop is dead
Untitled
Streets Disciple
Nastradamous


Congrats to Jay
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I forgot about the Lost Tapes... That had a few songs I really, really liked and a few which I thought were ehhhh...

We pretty much agree except that you value It Was Written much more highly than I do...

I'll say:

Stillmatic
Illmatic
God's Son
Nigger
Hip Hop Is Dead (Could easily flip the most recent two)

Three definite classics and two which I'd want to look back on with more time. The rest of the albums I don't think too much of, excepting The Lost Tapes (which I would place at #6).
 
Blunt said:
You're right. Rap tracks with melodic sampling, melodic background vocals, sing-song "novelty" choruses or female/male hooks have been huge failures on the pop charts.

Martika ("Toy Soldiers") is :rolleyes:

This all came into vogue around 2001. It's funny you use Eminem (who's a very melodic rapper all by himself). When "Lose Yourself" went to #1 in 2002, four of the other 6 #1 hits that year were: "Always on Time," Ain't It Funny," "Hot in Herre" and "Dilemma." All featuring females (in this case) singing hooks, choruses or other vocals. The next year it was "Bump Bump Bump," "All I Have," "Crazy in Love," "Baby Boy," and "Stand Up." So on and so forth.
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More bullshit.

This has no melodic anything and the lyrics sucked dick yet shot to the top of the pop charts.

Even the remix sucked.

[flash]http://www.youtube.com/v/NnPPTuV5vP8[/flash]
 
Blunt said:
Did I say it did??? Eminem is on another level, especially with that cinema-enhanced track.
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You wrote that few rappers could SNIFF #1 without a melodic hook, let alone actually achieve it.

:smh: @ Blunt editing that earlier post and adding all these examples to no gain...
Blunt said:
This all came into vogue around 2001. It's funny you use Eminem (who's a very melodic rapper all by himself). When "Lose Yourself" went to #1 in 2002, four of the other 6 #1 hits that year were: "Always on Time," Ain't It Funny," "Hot in Herre" and "Dilemma." All featuring females (in this case) singing hooks, choruses or other vocals. The next year it was "Bump Bump Bump," "All I Have," "Crazy in Love," "Baby Boy," and "Stand Up." So on and so forth.
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Blunt said:
But I think 4 of this year's rap/sung #1 hits did:

"Right Round"
"Boom Boom Pow"
"I Got a Feeling"
"Empire State of Mind" (Keys' hook is what really makes the track memorable)

Do I need to breakdown 2008, 2007 ...?

Funny how you forgot T.I and Rihanna's #1 "Live Your Life."
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I didn't forget that T.I. track-- I pointed out the one where he hit #1 all on his own merit.

For the second time, you mentally challenged twit, YOU ARE NOT PROVING SHIT BY POINTING TO ALL THE #1s WHICH MIX RAP AND R&B. AS I ALREADY SAID, THAT WAS THE MAIN POINT OF THIS THREAD.

In your zeal to argue, you must have missed the whole "Making hits is easy / Put a famous bitch on the hook there you go with a platinum CD" argument. :rolleyes::smh::smh:
 
Blunt said:
Eminem's greatest track ... got a lot of help.

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And she was really needed. :rolleyes:

eminem.jpg


Stan isn't a top 5 Eminem track anyway-- Lose Yourself is better, for starters.

These pictures prove nothing, anyway, other than that your low IQ is inadequate for comprehension of the main point of this rather simple thread.
 
Complex said:
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Wrong bitch :dunno:
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That was a horrible song-- Mariah Carey and Beyonce combined couldn't have saved 50 on that one.

Okay, they could have... (Shit, with both of them on the hook 50 could put a recorder in the toilet and use a "verse" of him literally shitting and it would still get airplay...) But you get my point.
 
Timbaland's ONLY #1 hit as a lead artist.

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And his ONLY other two hits (a #3 and a #2),

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