Is the West and Islam Doomed to Clash ?

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Ayaan Hirsi Ali argues Islam is
incompatible with democracy


BBC News
By Roger Hardy
BBC Islamic affairs analyst


What drives tension and conflict between Islam and the West?

Is there an inherent incompatibility between the two, making a "clash of civilisations" inevitable?

There are certainly Muslims and non-Muslims who hold that view.

Osama Bin Laden and his global jihadists see the "crusader" West as inherently aggressive, waging a remorseless campaign to subjugate and humiliate Muslims.

Samuel Huntington, the Harvard professor who fathered the "clash of civilisations" thesis more than a decade ago, argues that cultural clashes - in particular between Islam and the West - have taken the place of the old ideological divide between communist East and capitalist West.

High-profile figures - such as the former Dutch MP, the Somali-born Ayaan Hirsi Ali - claim Islam is incompatible with democracy, women's rights and modernity.

Many Muslims, as well as specialists on Islam, reject the sweeping generalisations on which such opinions rest.

Last year, Ayaan Hirsi Ali's views were directly challenged by a prestigious think-tank in The Hague.

In a report submitted to the Dutch government, the Scientific Council for Government Policy said it was wrong to say Islam was at odds with democracy and human rights.

Analysing trends in a dozen Muslim countries, the report highlighted the diversity of Muslim thought.

While there were radical, jihadi trends, there were also mainstream movements moving, albeit gradually, towards democratisation.

Testing opinion

So what do ordinary people, Muslim and non-Muslim, think?

A new BBC poll taken by Globescan suggests there is a significant middle ground which rejects the view that Islam and the West are doomed to clash.

The pollsters questioned some 28,000 people in 27 countries.

An overall majority believes there is no inherent incompatibility between Islam and the West, and so no inevitable collision.

Problems arise from intolerant minorities - on both sides - rather than from cultures as a whole.

Muslims will welcome the finding that tensions are the result of conflicts over political power and interests, rather than differences of religion or culture.

They often argue that Muslim radicalism is the product of global inequalities of wealth and power - and Western foreign policy in Iraq, Afghanistan, Israel/Palestine and elsewhere.

The large Muslim minorities now living in the West also argue they are the victims of social disadvantage and "Islamophobic" prejudice.

Bucking the trend

Polls, however, need careful reading.

The BBC poll suggests significant numbers of people do not share the broadly optimistic view of the majority.

Nigerians are pessimistic about cultural and religious difference.

Kenyans and Poles are ambivalent.

A slight majority of Indonesians think violent conflict between Islam and the West is inevitable.

While 49% of Americans believe there are political reasons for tensions between Islam and the West, 38% believe they result from differences of religion and culture.

So the picture is mixed, and perhaps this is not surprising.

Polarisation

The current global climate is one of polarisation.

Many Muslims are angry about Iraq and Palestine and what they perceive as a Western drive for hegemony.

Since 9/11, the West has been nervous about the al-Qaeda threat.

The Madrid and London bombings kept that threat alive.

The sense of polarisation has been sharpened by recent controversies - over Danish cartoons of the Prophet Mohammed, over the Pope's remarks about Islam, over whether face-veils hinder integration.

All these things have set relations between Islam and the West on edge.

Many Muslims, and some non-Muslims, blame the media for fanning the flames.

In a wired-up world, local disputes can quickly become global ones.

Most people, when asked, are likely to favour co-existence and tolerance.

But at moments of crisis, they do not always practise them.


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Are the West and Islam Doomed to Clash? Islam has always been associated with totalitarism whether it's Nazism and fascism during WWI and WWII or Communism during the Cold War.

So it stands to reason that it will always be at odds with democratic societies. But if you look a little deeper, you see that the real problem between the ideologies is racism. Islam unlike Christianity doesn't discriminate or encourage racial conflict just the opposite it stress all people are brothers even MalcolmX embraced whites after visiting Mecca.
 
QueEx said:
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man its all bullshyt, the superelite are fuckin everyone, I dont care where they are from or who they claim to worhsip..

bush and the saudi's are bedmates.

In fact the saudi's own such a large slice of america, and quess who sold it to the islamic fanatic fuks, christian fanatic fucks!!!

Rich folks reap the benefits, the poor folk fight and die in its wars!!!

I think folks need to wake up and stop being controlled by religion..

christianity or islam

both have a history more violent than the bloods and crips combine....


and have the nerve to talk about peace loving religion!!


they are tryin to set that shyt up, they being the parasitic elite,

SO THEY COULD PIMP THE WHOLE SITUATION.

Like they are pimping the Iraqi war!!

Holla Exxon, Holla haliburton, making big fukin bucks as a result of poor iraqis dying!!!

so I say that to say...

yes its set up to clash, so the parasitic elite can pimp the shyt out of the most gullible of us!!!
 
QueEx said:
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man its all bullshyt, the superelite are fuckin everyone, I dont care where they are from or who they claim to worhsip..

bush and the saudi's are bedmates. christian and islam, banging each other at the peoples expense...

In fact the saudi's own such a large slice of america, and quess who sold it to the islamic fanatic fuks, christian fanatic fucks!!!

Rich folks reap the benefits, the poor folk fight and die in its wars!!!

I think folks need to wake up and stop being controlled by religion..

christianity or islam

both have a history more violent than the bloods and crips combine....


and have the nerve to talk about peace loving religion!!


they are tryin to set that shyt up, they being the parasitic elite,

SO THEY COULD PIMP THE WHOLE SITUATION.

Like they are pimping the Iraqi war!!

Holla Exxon, Holla haliburton, making big fukin bucks as a result of poor iraqis dying!!!

so I say that to say...

yes its set up to clash, so the parasitic elite can pimp the shyt out of the most gullible of us!!!

any0ne see the billions fuckin truckloads of dollars that jsut vanished!!!

dude thats pimpery!!!
 
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