Is Obamacare Turning Out To be a Big Problem For Him?

[Alpha_Male]

This was supposed to be his biggest achievement, even possibly the biggest accomplishment for the democratic party since Social security and medicare. But not only did the initial released was botched, but now he is facing serious backlash from folks losing their insurance coverage. Something that wasn't supposed to happen. How do you see this play out.

 

[Flawless]

only time will tell, he better hopes he doesn't get the Jimmy Carter treatment

 

[gene cisco]

It's his second term. What does it matter? An election isn't on the line.

 

[Flawless]

It's his second term. What does it matter? An election isn't on the line.

what about his legacy?

 

[blackman80]

give it time!!..i think it will work out!!..

 

[Alpha_Male]

It's his second term. What does it matter? An election isn't on the line.

This not just about reelections. Like Flawless says, it's about legacy.

 

[Star]

When that Website did not work on DayOne & has not worked since
It was all over !!

Somehow 500+ million was spent on a Website that does not work

People should have MADE sure that it worked
The Fact that it has not worked shows a Major Problem

 

[Flawless]

When that Website did not work on DayOne & has not worked since
It was all over !!

Somehow 500+ million was spent on a Website that does not work

People should have MADE sure that it worked
The Fact that it has not worked shows a Major Problem

dont forget this

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[ballscout1]

Medicare part D didn't work out the gate and right now the ventra cards for chicago cta having issues.

Obamacare is working better than the media is reporting even with the problems

It will be fine

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[gene cisco]

what about his legacy?

He don't give a shit about that. He'd have a State of the Union about the prison industrial complex/drug war if he did.

The shit would be the shot heard around the world as far as institutionalized racism is concerned.

People always say he doesn't have the power to change shit by himself so such a speech wouldn't matter. But Dr. King wasn't president when he made his "I Have A Dream" speech.

His legacy will be as the first black president. Nothing more. Nothing less. That's a good enough legacy when you think about it.

 

[k21]

Just as Reagan is falsely given credit for destroying communism, I think ultimately Obama will be eventually given credit for destroying the Republican Party. As far ar ObamaCaRE...IT'S NOT JUST A WEBSITE! The reforms include not denying coverage to persons with pre-existing conditions, allowing children to remain on parents coverage until 26, and an expansion of Medicaid in States that accepted it. These are all huge accomplishments in reform.

 

[Watcher]

When that Website did not work on DayOne & has not worked since
It was all over !!

Somehow 500+ million was spent on a Website that does not work

People should have MADE sure that it worked
The Fact that it has not worked shows a Major Problem

You think Obamacare is just a website?

A website is down so ACA is done.......

• Eliminate lifetime and unreasonable annual limits on benefits - The law does away with annual and lifetime dollar limits completely by 2014. In the past over 60% of bankruptcies were medical related and 3/4 of these bankruptcies happened to those with health insurance, many due to reaching coverage limits.

• Essential Health Benefits must be included on all new plans. Learn about the benefits of Obamacare.

• Prohibit rescissions of health insurance policies - You can no longer be dropped from coverage for any reason aside from fraud. Before the ACA it was common practice to find a reason (such as an honest mistake on an application) to drop patients when the cost of care got too great.

• Provide assistance for those who are uninsured because of a pre-existing condition - temporary high risk pools were established for people with pre-existing conditions. As of 2014 no one can be charged more or dropped from coverage due to being a pre-existing condition. You can't be charged more due to health status either.

• Require coverage of preventive services and immunizations - All health plans starting after 2014 and all non-grandfathered health plans will have to provide many A and B rated preventative services at no out-of-pocket cost on all insurance plans starting in 2014.

• Extend dependent coverage up to age 26 - Dependents can stay on their parent's plan until 26.

• Develop uniform coverage documents so consumers can make apples-to-apples comparisons when shopping for health insurance - In the past there was no uniform system for showing benefits included in insurance plans. Today a simple standardized document makes comparing insurance options easy.

• Cap insurance company non-medical, administrative expenditures - Insurance companies can't spend more than 80% of premium dollars on non-medical costs. If they do, you get a rebate. (85% in large group markets).

• Ensure consumers have access to an effective appeals process and provide consumer a place to turn for assistance navigating the appeals process and accessing their coverage - In the past if you were denied treatment or had to make an appeal to your insurance company you had little rights. Today you have the right to a rapid appeal.

• Create a temporary re-insurance program to support coverage for early retirees - Starting 2014 all Americans can use the health insurance marketplace to purchase coverage.

• Establish an Internet portal to assist Americans in identifying coverage options - healthcare.gov was established to provide accurate information on the law and to provide a portal to the State-based health insurance marketplaces.

• Facilitate administrative simplification to lower health system costs - all medical data is now collected on centralized databases making coordinating care more effective.

• Require individuals maintain Minimum Essential Coverage (most types of health insurance) starting in 2014.

• Starting 2015 small businesses have to insure full-time workers.

• Many new rules for businesses improve equality in the workplace in regards to healthcare.

• You can no longer be charged more money based on health status, gender, or salary.

This is just some of the changes. Wake up and stop believing the republican political machine.

 

[ballscout1]

Medicare part D didn't work out the gate and right now the ventra cards for chicago cta having issues.

Obamacare is working better than the media is reporting even with the problems

It will be fine

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[billybob2]

give it time!!..i think it will work out!!..

Work out?? what the fuck dude, I mean he did say that you wouldn't be paying more, that you could keep your Doctor, ect. and we all see that it's a fucking lie. I mean I do remember when he was running, that's all he said,Shit I should have realized that he's a fucking lying ass politician that was blowing smoke up our asses just to get elected. This shit is fucked up. This shit is NEVER going to work out because what he said, was a lie, he even said it himself, well he said that we didn't hear him right. WHAT I didn't hear you right or understand what the fuck you were saying... Come on man, he fucked up and too bad all the good that he did is going down the fucking drain, because of this shit

 

[Watcher]

but now he is facing serious backlash from folks losing their insurance coverage. Something that wasn't supposed to happen. How do you see this play out.

Private insurance still run the policies. They could have done the right thing and added the requirements into this policies instead of dropping them. The government has nothing do do with private insurance decisions.

 

[mangobob79]

You think Obamacare is just a website?

A website is down so ACA is done.......

• Eliminate lifetime and unreasonable annual limits on benefits - The law does away with annual and lifetime dollar limits completely by 2014. In the past over 60% of bankruptcies were medical related and 3/4 of these bankruptcies happened to those with health insurance, many due to reaching coverage limits.

• Essential Health Benefits must be included on all new plans. Learn about the benefits of Obamacare.

• Prohibit rescissions of health insurance policies - You can no longer be dropped from coverage for any reason aside from fraud. Before the ACA it was common practice to find a reason (such as an honest mistake on an application) to drop patients when the cost of care got too great.

• Provide assistance for those who are uninsured because of a pre-existing condition - temporary high risk pools were established for people with pre-existing conditions. As of 2014 no one can be charged more or dropped from coverage due to being a pre-existing condition. You can't be charged more due to health status either.

• Require coverage of preventive services and immunizations - All health plans starting after 2014 and all non-grandfathered health plans will have to provide many A and B rated preventative services at no out-of-pocket cost on all insurance plans starting in 2014.

• Extend dependent coverage up to age 26 - Dependents can stay on their parent's plan until 26.

• Develop uniform coverage documents so consumers can make apples-to-apples comparisons when shopping for health insurance - In the past there was no uniform system for showing benefits included in insurance plans. Today a simple standardized document makes comparing insurance options easy.

• Cap insurance company non-medical, administrative expenditures - Insurance companies can't spend more than 80% of premium dollars on non-medical costs. If they do, you get a rebate. (85% in large group markets).

• Ensure consumers have access to an effective appeals process and provide consumer a place to turn for assistance navigating the appeals process and accessing their coverage - In the past if you were denied treatment or had to make an appeal to your insurance company you had little rights. Today you have the right to a rapid appeal.

• Create a temporary re-insurance program to support coverage for early retirees - Starting 2014 all Americans can use the health insurance marketplace to purchase coverage.

• Establish an Internet portal to assist Americans in identifying coverage options - healthcare.gov was established to provide accurate information on the law and to provide a portal to the State-based health insurance marketplaces.

• Facilitate administrative simplification to lower health system costs - all medical data is now collected on centralized databases making coordinating care more effective.

• Require individuals maintain Minimum Essential Coverage (most types of health insurance) starting in 2014.

• Starting 2015 small businesses have to insure full-time workers.

• Many new rules for businesses improve equality in the workplace in regards to healthcare.

• You can no longer be charged more money based on health status, gender, or salary.

This is just some of the changes. Wake up and stop believing the republican political machine.

And on that note !! Thanx 4 playin "find a blame for d negro president"

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[Djmarkxr7]

This was supposed to be his biggest achievement, even possibly the biggest accomplishment for the democratic party since Social security and medicare. But not only did the initial released was botched, but now he is facing serious backlash from folks losing their insurance coverage. Something that wasn't supposed to happen. How do you see this play out.

what about his legacy?

Waayyy to early to give it either a thumbs up or down, as with ANYTHING that just rolls out there are bound to be glitches, most looking @ this post now are doing so on a computer running Windows, anyone care to discuss all of the glitches each incarnation of Windows (from Windows 1.0 in 1985 to Windows 8.1 in 2013) has had from the beginning, yet it's kept Bill Gates one of the Top 3 richest men in the world for the past 20+ some odd years, right?!?

Obama has had a communication problem from the outset, he spends too much time defending his policies/achievements instead of explaining them, as with now anyone with a brain could understand that EVERYONE is now required to have a minimum of coverage, NO different than you have to purchase when you buy a house or a car, and if your policy doesn't meet the minimum requirement, then it has to be scrapped/discontinued in favor of a better policy which, albeit probably will be more expensive, but as with anything, if more service is provided, then it has to be paid for!!!

Bottom line though, he needed to get the word out better, perhaps even take more control of it from the outset, the communication on this ranks a C, @ best!!!

 

[Watcher]

Medicare part D didn't work out the gate and right now the ventra cards for chicago cta having issues.

Obamacare is working better than the media is reporting even with the problems

It will be fine

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Thank you. George Bush didn't have the other side trying to sabotage everything connected to him.

 

[Watcher]

Work out?? what the fuck dude, I mean he did say that you wouldn't be paying more, that you could keep your Doctor, ect. and we all see that it's a fucking lie.

HE has no control over private insurance companies. They make the decisions in the policies. Do you understand? OBAMACARE DOES NOT OFFER INSURANCE POLICIES.

And you aren't paying more or losing your doctor. If the insurance company drops your policy go pick up a new one. It's likely cheaper.

 

[Watcher]

It's sad and amusing that people think our healthcare system was so good prior to Obamacare. And now they blame Obama for everything that was already shit.

Good or bad outcome with Obamacare at least Obama tried to do something about our horrible healthcare system. We could not sustain the system how it was.

 

[crossovernegro]

The site not being tested properly or being allowed to go into production before it was ready are, I think the biggest issues. If... and it's a big if....but if they can get it working even at 90% the way it should by December, I think there's a very good chance that it will be a net positive for him and the party by the time we get into the meat of the off year election campaigns. If it's still performing poorly, it's gonna be pretty bad. As for legacy, it's more of a long term thing, so once it gets up to snuff, it won't be an issue and 10 years from now the release will look like a stumble that was recovered from instead of a fall.

As someone who has been involved in several site releases though (much smaller scale by far) I just shake my head at the fact that apparently somebody just said fuck it, put it out there no matter how bad the testing is going, or fuck a test, just put it out there without any of that shit . When we put out a CRM system at my last gig, our highest estimate of simultaneous users was like 100... very small, but our testers pounded the shit out of it during development and integration. They kicked it down the stairs and took its lunch money before giving it the nod.

The people getting dropped won't be a huge issue once they can easily shop for comparable coverage, but the ones in states that didn't work with the feds are gonna need that main site up.

 

[mangobob79]

Work out?? what the fuck dude, I mean he did say that you wouldn't be paying more, that you could keep your Doctor, ect. and we all see that it's a fucking lie. I mean I do remember when he was running, that's all he said,Shit I should have realized that he's a fucking lying ass politician that was blowing smoke up our asses just to get elected. This shit is fucked up. This shit is NEVER going to work out because what he said, was a lie, he even said it himself, well he said that we didn't hear him right. WHAT I didn't hear you right or understand what the fuck you were saying... Come on man, he fucked up and too bad all the good that he did is going down the fucking drain, because of this shit

This guy the whole enterprise is based upon a minuscule percentage of people but let u tell it , aca is a website and bush freed America!

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[crossovernegro]

Guaranteed, if the main site was working, the people getting dropped wouldn't be as big of an issue as it is right now. Most definitely they should have made it abundantly clear that there would be some policies getting dropped, either as they do during the regular insurance company business as usual each year, or because they don't meet minimum standards under the new law... but since the vast vast majority of people won't be affected by this (because most people still get insurance through their jobs, and those policies are way more likely to meet the standards) it's not going to be something that most people have to deal with.

The fact that people are getting dropped right now and they can't easily click a mouse to shop for new insurance.... that's the thing that is the main issue... once that's fixed, problem isn't completely solved (will be used heavily by the repubs) but it'll be like any other campaign promise that isn't fully delivered on... and yes, dude is a politician, and that is what politicians do.

Work out?? what the fuck dude, I mean he did say that you wouldn't be paying more, that you could keep your Doctor, ect. and we all see that it's a fucking lie. I mean I do remember when he was running, that's all he said,Shit I should have realized that he's a fucking lying ass politician that was blowing smoke up our asses just to get elected. This shit is fucked up. This shit is NEVER going to work out because what he said, was a lie, he even said it himself, well he said that we didn't hear him right. WHAT I didn't hear you right or understand what the fuck you were saying... Come on man, he fucked up and too bad all the good that he did is going down the fucking drain, because of this shit

 

[Chitownheadbusa]

one of many problem that will come down the pipe.

it WILL BE A bigger problem when they start rationing out health care later down the line; once the economy crumbles a little more and the system is over loaded by unhealthy fat Americans that love eating processed foods while they sit behind their pc's, tablets and iphone for 7+ hours per day. But by then Obama will be long gone. But his silly Black supporters will stil be defending his fuck ups.

 

[nohowtoplz]

Why are my premiums still rising at an alarming rate? I thought more competition was going to slow increases. When the keeping kids on to 26 was enacted my premium went up 15%. It went up 13.5% this year. Whatever benefits Obamacare is providing I seem to be getting billed for.

 

[crossovernegro]

My shit went down by $12 per pay period . I can't say whether or not it was directly attributable to the new law or not.



...but I think much of it depends where you are. Some regions are seeing increases and some aren't.

Why are my premiums still rising at an alarming rate? I thought more competition was going to slow increases. When the keeping kids on to 26 was enacted my premium went up 15%. It went up 13.5% this year. Whatever benefits Obamacare is providing I seem to be getting billed for.

 

[billybob2]

HE has no control over private insurance companies. They make the decisions in the policies. Do you understand? OBAMACARE DOES NOT OFFER INSURANCE POLICIES.

And you aren't paying more or losing your doctor. If the insurance company drops your policy go pick up a new one. It's likely cheaper.

He may not be in control of private insurance companies, but if he puts in place requirements, that they have to offer, then that will effect my price. For example, in my policy why would I need maternity leave, but it's mandated in all of the new policies, so my private insurance company will be say hey it's required to have this in your coverage, so add 50 more bucks to your policy. So they don't (private insurance companies) actually make all of the decisions. There are mandates that they NOW have to follow.
So me personally I am paying more, and thankfully I didnt lose my doctor, but I know quite a few people personally that are paying more and they did lose there doctor.
Your living in a dream world if you think that it's just that easy to go get another policy just like the one you had, and less. You know yourself that doesn't even sound right. Hell even if I wanted to go on the the exchange I still can't get coverage, because the fucking web site don't work

 

[Watcher]

Why are my premiums still rising at an alarming rate? I thought more competition was going to slow increases. When the keeping kids on to 26 was enacted my premium went up 15%. It went up 13.5% this year. Whatever benefits Obamacare is providing I seem to be getting billed for.

Omg.....

Because the law doesn't go into effect until January 1st....

This is why we are fucked. People are too lazy or dumb to know facts and understand when something in good for the nation as a whole.

What Obamacare offers you is the option and resources to a cheaper policy if your current provider keeps raising premiums. But if people don't do their homework and don't shop around then insurance companies wont stop raising premiums.

Why would they. They know you are too lazy to make a switch.

 

[Watcher]

Hell even if I wanted to go on the the exchange I still can't get coverage, because the fucking web site don't work

Correct. And this becomes a major issue January 1st. If it isn't fixed by then I'll come over to your team.

 

[Star]

Originally Posted by Watcher
You think Obamacare is just a website?

A website is down so ACA is done.......

• Eliminate lifetime and unreasonable annual limits on benefits - The law does away with annual and lifetime dollar limits completely by 2014. In the past over 60% of bankruptcies were medical related and 3/4 of these bankruptcies happened to those with health insurance, many due to reaching coverage limits.

• Essential Health Benefits must be included on all new plans. Learn about the benefits of Obamacare.

• Prohibit rescissions of health insurance policies - You can no longer be dropped from cove
Blah ... Blah ...Blah...
Since the Website does Not work , Noone can Sigh-Up or get Any of the stuff you posted
So ACA does Not work, If you can Not Sign-Up

 

[Watcher]

Originally Posted by Watcher
You think Obamacare is just a website?

A website is down so ACA is done.......

• Eliminate lifetime and unreasonable annual limits on benefits - The law does away with annual and lifetime dollar limits completely by 2014. In the past over 60% of bankruptcies were medical related and 3/4 of these bankruptcies happened to those with health insurance, many due to reaching coverage limits.

• Essential Health Benefits must be included on all new plans. Learn about the benefits of Obamacare.

• Prohibit rescissions of health insurance policies - You can no longer be dropped from cove
Blah ... Blah ...Blah...
Since the Website does Not work , Noone can Sigh-Up or get Any of the stuff you posted
So ACA does Not work, If you can Not Sign-Up

Yes you can. Go buy a policy directly from the insurance company.

You just can't see if you qualify for subsidies. You get everything else!

 

[Dr. Truth]

Your screen name is billy bob and you have Ronald regan in your avatar. Fuck your cracka ass opinion devil.

He may not be in control of private insurance companies, but if he puts in place requirements, that they have to offer, then that will effect my price. For example, in my policy why would I need maternity leave, but it's mandated in all of the new policies, so my private insurance company will be say hey it's required to have this in your coverage, so add 50 more bucks to your policy. So they don't (private insurance companies) actually make all of the decisions. There are mandates that they NOW have to follow.
So me personally I am paying more, and thankfully I didnt lose my doctor, but I know quite a few people personally that are paying more and they did lose there doctor.
Your living in a dream world if you think that it's just that easy to go get another policy just like the one you had, and less. You know yourself that doesn't even sound right. Hell even if I wanted to go on the the exchange I still can't get coverage, because the fucking web site don't work

 

[Dr. Truth]

one of many problem that will come down the pipe.

it WILL BE A bigger problem when they start rationing out health care later down the line; once the economy crumbles a little more and the system is over loaded by unhealthy fat Americans that love eating processed foods while they sit behind their pc's, tablets and iphone for 7+ hours per day. But by then Obama will be long gone. But his silly Black supporters will stil be defending his fuck ups.

You're one annoying dumb ass halfbreed. All you right wing faggots will claim its not obamas plan when the shit ends up working, all you idiot panicking faggots will be crying about people messing with your Obama care. You stupid fucks freaking out cant adapt to change. Typical stupid fucking idiots, changes this big always have problems, you stupid mouth breathing right wing morons love complaining at the first sign of a mishap. Go fuck yourself .

 

[BDR]

A lot of cacs getting bitch smacked in this thread

 

[Prolific_Omega]

Just a thought....whenever a new Iphone comes out, there are always problems. System instability, bad reception, recalls and this has happened with every release, yet people will sell their mamas for one. Somebody actually wants to do something for everyone by giving them something they actually need like healthcare and everybody is quick to try to shoot it down. The same people that would stand on line for a marginal upgrade and pay out the ass. No system is perfect and in the beginning of anything, there are always problems.So knowing this, the point is once worked out these products or programs can be a beautiful thing. So just like everybody wants to kill the elephant in the room that is obamacare, people need to realize that things take time, especially a NATIONWIDE initiative like this one. Kinks will be worked out, but if the media wants to use propaganda and throw shots at every step of the process, this is going to be rough. The bottom line is, why are people against a basic human right like healthcare, when they are okay with waiting for hours on lines for Yeezys, or Iphones? They should think about their health and how somebody is basically fighting all the powers that be to give it to them so they can healthily stand there.