Iraqi tribes Fight Insurgency

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Leader: Iraqi tribes fight insurgency

By SINAN SALAHEDDIN, Associated Press Writer
Mon Sep 18, 11:00 AM ET



BAGHDAD, Iraq - Tribes in one of Iraq's most volatile provinces have joined together to fight the insurgency there, and they have called on the government and the U.S.-led military coalition for weapons, a prominent tribal leader said Monday.

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Tribal leaders and clerics in Ramadi, the capital of violent Anbar province, met last week and have set up a force of about 20,000 men "ready to purge the city of these infidels," Sheik Fassal al-Guood, a prominent tribal leader from Ramadi, told The Associated Press, referring to the insurgents.

"People are fed up with the acts of those criminals who take Islam as a cover for their crimes," he said. "The situation in the province is unbearable, the city is abandoned, most of the families have fled the city and all services are poor."

Al-Guood said 15 of the 18 tribes in Ramadi "have sworn to fight those who are killing Sunnis and Shiites and they established an armed force of about 20,000 young men ready to purge the city from those infidels."

He said they had asked the Iraqi government and the U.S.-led coalition "to back them with modern weapons and cars because the terrorists have weapons more modern than their rifles."

The tribal leaders met last week and "agreed to form the Anbar Salvation Council to fight the terrorists who call themselves Mujahedeen fighting to liberate Iraq," he said.

Tribes wield considerable influence in Iraqi society, especially among rural people for whom bonds of the clan are vital. But like all other institutions in Iraq, tribal affiliations sometimes can also be tenuous.

It is not the first time that tribal leaders have said they will help fight insurgents, mostly foreign fighters who have infiltrated Anbar from neighboring Syria.

Earlier this year, relations between locals and foreign fighters started to sour when the foreigners started killing Iraqis suspected of having links to the Americans or even those holding government jobs.

The rift became an outright split with a wave of assassinations and bombings that killed scores of Anbar residents and were blamed on al-Qaida. A suicide bombing on Jan. 5 in a line of police recruits in Ramadi killed at least 58 people, including U.S. troops.

In late May, a prominent Sunni Arab tribal leader, Sheik Osama al-Jadaan, who provided fighters to help battle al-Qaida in Anbar was assassinated in Baghdad.

Government spokesman Ali al-Dabagh said Anbar tribes had asked the government for support in combatting terrorism in the region.

"Anbar has been abducted by terrorist groups," al-Dabagh said. "Anbar tribes called on the government to support them because they are fighting the terrorists and they assisting Iraqi forces in the war against terrorism."

Anbar, a vast province of mostly desert, stretches west of Baghdad to the borders of Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Syria. The area is an insurgent stronghold and Ramadi has become one of the most violent cities in Iraq.

"Obviously the situation down in al-Anbar is very complex. And it is a multi-pronged approach that is being dealt with down there," said U.S. military spokesman Maj. Gen. William B. Caldwell, adding that the development of the Iraqi police force in the area was crucial.

He said tribal leaders "very much want to see security brought back to that area."

But he admitted it would take time to bring stability to the region.

"It's not going to happen overnight. It's going to take a longer period of time, but as we watch and see what the Iraqi police and Iraqi security forces do, we're very optimistic about the future of the province," Caldwell said. "But it will not occur in the next two or three months, it will be a much longer time period."

Defense Ministry spokesman Mohammed al-Askari said that during the past week, Iraqi security forces had met with tribal leaders and had agreed to cooperate in combating violence.

"There are some commands took the initiative that aims to enhance the cooperation between the Iraqi army and the Iraqi tribes," he said, adding that the commander of the 7th Iraqi Army Division in Ramadi met with seven tribal leaders and agreed to work together.

In August, hundreds of Iraq's tribal chiefs held a conference in Baghdad and signed a "pact of honor" pledging to support Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki's national reconciliation plan.

Although that pact is unlikely to bring peace to Iraq, it was an important step toward winning support in this divided nation for al-Maliki's 24-point reconciliation plan that was unveiled in June.

Al-Maliki's Shiite-dominated unity government is struggling to control the sectarian violence and a Sunni Arab insurgency that have together claimed about 10,000 lives since it took office in May.

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Associated Press writer Qais al-Bashir and Elena Becatoros contributed to this report from Baghdad.
 
Leader: Iraqi tribes fight insurgency said:
Al-Guood said 15 of the 18 tribes in Ramadi "have sworn to fight those who are killing Sunnis and Shiites and they established an armed force of about 20,000 young men ready to purge the city from those <u>infidels</u>."
Words sometimes have fleeting meanings in this part of the world. A few days ago, we were the infidels trying to do the same thing these tribes say they want to do.


QueEx
 
QueEx said:
Words sometimes have fleeting meanings in this part of the world. A few days ago, we were the infidels trying to do the same thing these tribes say they want to do.


QueEx

That is true, but if it were true and US Forces and these tribes worked together, with the Iraqi governments blessings, this insurgency would be over in a matter of months.
 
But thats my point GF, with respect to the Muslim peacekeepers and the Tribal forces mentioned above. Does any of these meager forces have the will and ability to deal
with the insurgents.

QueEx
 
Gods_Favorite said:
Alone probably not, but with American support and airpower its worth a shot than us doing it alone.


I have a feeling if america stays there we will be loggin on from nursing homes and I will still be telling you 50 years from now like I told you 3 years ago we are making the "insurgency".

Who the fuck is gonna stand by and let foreign troops in their country, would you? HELL NO your ass would be a dam insurgent against the chinese if they invaded tomorrow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So how an insurgent like yourelf gonna be against insurgents, got me like scooby doo saying "huh" when you "pro invasionist" talk about insurgents. :confused:

Yall the main ones that would be planting roadside bombs to blow up chinese tanks. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Anyway as the insurgency against china would be a no brainer we would start fighting amoungst ourselves.

Us black folk would see it as a chance to finaly claim power. White people would try to keep it. Hispanics would try to stake their claim, pretty soon a civil war!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now thats iraq in a nutshell. Now of course some people woudl play both sides. Try to get the chinese to support them saying they will help the chinese meanwhile we would use those weapons against our internal enemies and blow up a chinese tank or two on the down low.

If the chinese pulled out of the mess they created the civil war would go on, but guess what no more chinese folks would be dying. And guess what we wouldnt be going to china to kill them when we trying to win our civil war.

And even after a side wins we would be to fucking busy trying to run this muthafucka and oppress the losing sides to worry about fucking with china.

So in a nutshell america should pull out and then deal with the winner of the civil war, or do like america always does fund the side you want to win!!!!!

If you look at it in terms of our country being invaded you would stop this insurgency talk, cause me you and alot of other muthafuckas are insurgents that thank god havent had the chance to fight an occupying force.

So to rehash, we pull out, smuggle weapons to the side we want to win, maybe we forget a few hundred tanks and then deal with the winner. Loss of american life=0.

Oh shit, I forgot one thing!!! We wont be spending billions a month for this "war" no more and somebody over HERE wont be getting paid all those billions.

Chalk it up, america stay the course.
 
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The Guardian
Peter Beaumont in Baghdad
Tuesday October 3, 2006

Al-Qaida in Iraq is being pushed out of its strongholds in Anbar province after three days of fighting with Iraq's fiercely independent tribes. A number of al-Qaida fighters have been killed and captured, including Saudis and Syrians.

The clashes erupted after a new grouping calling itself the Anbar Rescue Council - which claims to represent a large number of Anbar tribes and sub-clans - said it intended to clear the province of the terrorist group. It also follows a meeting between tribal leaders and the Iraqi prime minister, Nouri al-Maliki, last week in which they asked for government support and arms in their fight against al-Qaida.

The fighting also comes as the Iraqi government has said it believes it is close to capturing the organisation's new leader in Iraq, Abu Ayoub al-Masri. Although the power struggle has not reduced the number of attacks against the US-led coalition in Anbar province, it points to a complex reordering of the lines of conflict in the so-called "Sunni Triangle".

The conflict's underlying causes were highlighted by the leaking of a letter from al-Qaida's leadership to Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the organisation's former leader in Iraq, who was killed earlier this year.

In the letter, written in December and found at the house where he died, Zarqawi is rebuked by Atiyah Abd al-Rahman, who is allegedly close to senior al-Qaida figures. He is warned "against attempting to kill any religious scholar or tribal leader who is obeyed, and of good repute in Iraq from among the Sunnis, no matter what." Zarqawi is told to improve relationships with other Sunni groups, use the al-Qaida name more judiciously and told ominously that he might be replaced.

It is these issues that have been at the heart of the rift between al-Qaida and the tribes, many of whose members support the nationalist resistance.

Where once tribal leaders in Anbar and western Iraq welcomed al-Qaida, providing them with safehouses and other logistical support, there is now open war.

From Falluja, where the notoriously fractious Bou Eisa clan have turned against al-Qaida, to the city of Qaim, where it is the Bou Mahal who are pursuing them, they are being being pushed out of their old strongholds in the rural west.

The tribes' courtship by Iraq's prime minister has been oiled by cash gifts and alleged salaries to some sheikhs of up to $5,000 (£2,650) a month. Tribal fighters have also asked for weapons.

It is a battle being driven by deep-rooted social, religious and political considerations. The traditional power of the tribal leaders has been undermined by al-Qaida "emirs". Some sheikhs have also become sickened by al-Qaida attacks aimed at Shias, believing they are not only wrong, but that they will ultimately hurt Sunnis - an issue that apparently came to a head with the bombing of the Golden Shrine in Samarra in February.

The battle has been going on for months in areas such as Qaim, where the Bou Mahal tribe drove out much of al-Qaida, angry at attacks on government ration trucks and the destruction of water plants and electricity pylons.

"People just got sick of it," said one Anbar resident. "They were setting up their own checkpoints, taking property and houses for their use. They were killing not just police and army but clerics they did not agree with and tribal leaders."

In Ramadi, Sheikh Abdul Sattar al-Rishawi, the youthful head of the Bou Risha tribe, yesterday accused al-Qaida of taking over the hospital in Ramadi and "slaughtering" injured police and soldiers. He accused the group of robbing banks and government payrolls, killing journalists and human rights workers, and carrying out highway robberies.

"[The tribal leaders] are pragmatic and follow their own interests," said one western official. "When al-Qaida arrived they had lots of money. Now they don't, and it is the government that is throwing lots of money at cities such as Ramadi. Also the al-Qaida types tend to come in with the ideology of killing everyone, which does not fit in with the way that tribal types think about fighting. In short, they are pissed off."


http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,,1886032,00.html
 
Gods_Favorite said:
That is true, but if it were true and US Forces and these tribes worked together, with the Iraqi governments blessings, this insurgency would be over in a matter of months.
Dope :smh: :smh:
 
Everybody who thinks america should stay check out.........

The Kings:from babylon to baghdad

It came on history channel so it might come on again.

Gives me new insight on iraq, after watching that and reading up on some of the notes I took.

To say all those tribes, americs siding or not do not have a long and proud history and need americas democracy is insane.

They have flourished through invasion after invasion. They can trace their routes back 5000 years, easy. I find it sickening that either america and bush doesnt care or didnt know.

Even when invaded before civil war broke out, we all know of recent history with the british trying the same shit back in 1918 or so.

So I know do believe a full pull out is needed, iraq been around before america and the way this country is headed with this corpocracy will probaly be around after america to.

Pull out and leave those people alone, if thye want to fight, let them. they have no airplanes and alot of those rural tribes barely can eat let alone worry bout us when america leaves.

Fuck a redeployment, I am now for a full pullout. It aint cut and run, its ahistory lesson, if the mongols couldnt keep them under wraps what makes us think america can?

Knowing what I have researched deeper into then It was one of the worst military moves in history to remove sodam. It ranks maybe even worse then germany's trying to fight the war on two fronts, way worse then the 'nam war.

The people planning this war didnt even consider the deep history of this place and pride.

Makes me wonder what was the true agenda??????????????

I have faith they can get it together without whitemans burden, they built up baghdad before after invasion and can do it again.

I no longer even consider the whitemans burden option of even redeploying, it is a complete waste of resources and worry, iraq will straighten itself out, its been through this occupying shit before.

Alot of those tribes will always be at eachother and the only time in history they act right is under a ruthless leader, of their own, not an occupier.
 
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