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Iran, China discuss defense cooperation
TEHRAN, Aug. 17 (MNA) -- “The excellent discipline in the Chinese Army is one of the most illustrious characteristics of the country,” the commander of the Ground Forces of the Iranian Army, Brigadier General Nasser Mohammadi Far, said here on Wednesday.
Mohammadi Far made the remarks in a meeting with a Chinese military delegation that has come to Iran to hold negotiations on developing military relations between Iran and China, deepening bilateral ties between the two countries, and paving the way for military cooperation.



He went on to say that the vast country of China has organized a powerful army in the region through relying on efficient military training, perseverance, and discipline.



“Our mutual enemies possess advanced military technology, and undoubtedly they would rely on this technology in any possible future wars. Therefore, it seems necessary that both Iran and China upgrade their defense and military technology,” he noted.



Mohammadi Far added that, relying on Almighty God and the eight-year experience of the Iraqi imposed war on Iran, the Army of the Islamic Republic has increased its defense capabilities such that it can turn the tide in any possible war.



For his part, the head of the Chinese military delegation expressed satisfaction about his visit to Iran and his talks with Iranian military officials.



Iran and China have had close relations in various spheres and have always maintained their brotherly relations over the course of history, since they have always had some mutual objectives, he observed.



At the end of the meeting, Mohammadi Far presented the military emblem of the Iranian Army to the Chinese delegation and received the military emblem of the Chinese Army in return.

http://www.mehrnews.ir/en/NewsDetail.aspx?NewsID=219677
 
A Chinese link to Middle East conflict ?

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Gulf News.com
By Abdullah Al Madani, Special to Gulf News
Published: 08/20/2006 12:00 AM (UAE)


There is no doubt that Iran is the source of Hezbollah's arsenal of missiles, which have recently been used against Israel. But the controversial issue is whether these missiles are genuine Iranian products. Military and intelligence reports have long confirmed that they are one of the fruits of the strategic alliance between Tehran and Beijing.

Sino-Iranian ties, initiated in 1971 during the reign of Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, have strengthened after Iran's Islamic revolution in 1979. In recent years, however, cooperation between the two countries has grown exponentially, primarily because of China's insatiable energy needs and Iran's hunger for technology and consumer goods, as the economies of both states continue to expand.

One of the aspects of the relationship is cooperation in the energy and construction sectors. China is now Iran's third-largest export market for crude oil. Its state-owned oil company Sinopec has a 50 per cent stake in the development of Yadavaran, Iran's largest undeveloped oil field. In April 2005, the two countries decided to set up a joint-venture to build huge tankers capable of ensuring deliveries of Iran's liquefied gas to China. And one month later, China agreed to buy some 110 million metric tons of Iranian gas over 25 years in a contract which may be worth $20 billion.

China is also involved in the construction of Iranian dams, airports, steel mills, and roads, including Tehran's metro and a new highway linking Tehran with the Caspian Sea coast.

Bilateral trade, on the other hand, hit a new record of $9.5 billion last year, compared with $7.5 billion in 2004.

The most important aspect of the alliance, however, is Tehran's access to the technology being developed by the Chinese People's Army, particularly in the area of cruise and ballistic missiles. This has long been an issue of great concern for the Americans. Washington has repeatedly expressed its dissatisfaction on the grounds that promoting the military capability of Iran's Islamic regime could raise tensions in the Gulf and threaten US interests in the region and the safe passage of oil tankers.



Commercial considerations

Beijing first began exporting Chinese-made missiles to Tehran in 1985, during the Iran-Iraq war, when it supplied weapons to both sides. At the time, Chinese missile exports were purely driven by commercial considerations. The decline in the domestic military orders in the 1980s, owing to declining defence budgets had forced defence industrial sectors to make up the shortfalls by trying to market military products abroad, particularly in the Third World. But commercial considerations have soon changed to strategic ones under the pressure of a number of developments.

Beijing has realised since the 1990s that it could use the export of missiles and related technology to Iran as a bargaining card with the west regarding issues concerning its own security, such as Taiwan, US military sales to the Taipei regime, US military presence in the neighbouring central Asian republics, and the west's repeated criticism of human rights violation in China. Tehran realised too that Beijing's hunger for energy represented a golden opportunity to connect its oil supplies and concessions to China with the latter's military exports to Iran.

As a result, China continued throughout the 1990s to provide Iran not only with missiles but also with production technology, equipment, training and testing facilities for the indigenous Iranian manufacture of Chinese and North Korean designed missiles. Following US-China summits in 1997 and 1998, however, Beijing decided, under US pressure, to halt its sales of missiles to Iran and pledged not to provide Tehran with missile production technology. This was a significant development as Chinese officials had never before admitted their country's involvement in promoting Iran's missile programme. They had always denied reports on the issue, accusing the west of spreading rumours about China.

But this did not last long. New tensions in US-China relations in 2000 and 2001 in the backdrop of events such as the Nato bombing of the Chinese embassy in Belgrade, the growing tension in the Taiwan Strait and the EP-3 spy plane incident led Beijing to resume its missile cooperation with Tehran.

Despite the improvement in US-China relations in the aftermath of the September 11, 2001 attacks in Washington and New York and the release by Beijing in 2002 of a set of measures aimed at controlling exports of missile related technology and assistance, Sino-Iranian missile cooperation has continued according to many reliable reports.

Based on these reports and other intelligence information, Washington imposed sanctions on three different occasions between 2002 and 2005 on tens of Chinese state-owned firms for the transfer to Iran of dual-use missile-related items.

The Iranians have always asserted that their missiles are indigenous and fully designed and manufactured at missile facilities near Tehran and Esfahan by local scientists and experts.

But the aforementioned evidence and many other indicate otherwise. Iranian missiles such as Zilzal, Raad, Oghab, Nour and Mushak are said to be copies of Chinese missiles, particularly the Silkworm, with the fuselage being lengthened and the engine's place being changed.

China, therefore, is indirectly responsible for encouraging Hezbollah to act as a state within the state and drag Lebanon into war.



Dr Abdullah Al Madani is an academic researcher and lecturer on Asian affairs.

http://www.gulfnews.com/opinion/columns/region/10061326.html
 
Re: A Chinese link to Middle East conflict ?

China, therefore, is indirectly responsible for encouraging Hezbollah to act as a state within the state and drag Lebanon into war.


:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Is that your opinion too Que?

If Israel hadn't invaded Lebanon in 1982 Hezbollah would not exist, therefore, Israel is directly responsible for the creation and existence of Hezbollah.
 
Re: A Chinese link to Middle East conflict ?

I think, as the by-line indicates, its the opinion of Dr Abdullah Al Madani. Do you want it to be my opinion?

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Re: A Chinese link to Middle East conflict ?

QueEx said:
I think, as the by-line indicates, its the opinion of Dr Abdullah Al Madani. Do you want it to be my opinion?

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If you want it to be your opinion then I would like it to be your opinion otherwise no. No response to the Andy Young post?
 
Re: A Chinese link to Middle East conflict ?

I think it is great! It's about time someone BIG plays on the otherside. Let's see if Bush is going to talk tough to China like he does about N. Korea. Let's watch and see how Amerikkka's "PUNK" card gets pulled. The Chinese Ambassador to th UN is already talking trash...where is Bush and his cowboy stance? Instead of worrying about these little bitch countries that Israel is STARTING crap with, we should have not been letting China become a world economic power while destroying the Amerikkkan manufacturing infastructure. :smh: They get their rockets from China...now what? Israeli cowards that attack women and children are not going to get into a REAL fight...not after being DEFEATED by Hezbollah. Yes defeated. When you have a superior army like the Israelies claim and you cannot take down a "terrorist" group with all of the civilian destruction they caused "YOU ARE USELESS" especially as allies.

China should send the good stuff to Lebanon. :lol:





 
Re: A Chinese link to Middle East conflict ?

Yeah captain its funny shit. Im gonna go get a six pack and watch fox news, shit is better then the superbowl. I cannot beliee the fantasy world and denial they live in.

Here I got a hot off the press article about china arming folks and israel violating the UN order.

And they are talking about irans announcement coming up on the 21st like its doomsday and blaming lebanon for israels UN violation.

I know what the fake jonbonet killer ate for lunch in the second grade and already heard from his middle school debate team coach twice, but no mention of china or un violations.

I remember when our spy plane crashed and china said we will give it back to you when we are ready. Think bush got cowboy on their asses????????

Where was all the tough talk then?

The republicans and their corporate(more so then dems) masters have made it possible that china now owns us. We dont do shit here but consume and they outsource all the jobs to india and china while india and china build up their infrastructure and EDUCATIONAL system, not to mention armed forces.

Meanwhile we are riding zionist dick and the fast track to hell. No more middle clash. Put in turrurs way.

All for what? A few corps that get rich whose members can care less about this country, it colapse they just go to their summer home in greece.

ENglands residents are furious that their governemnt is risking their asses for israel, but they have a better grasp on history.

So china can arm all they want, who gives a shit but america who china owns. The zionist have isolated themselves. If I was hezzy I would let this UN violation ride with my only retaliation being an appeal to the world saying "see what we have to put up with, where is the internation outcry against them?????"

Hopefully china gives them some super, super, heavy shit.
 
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CAPTAIN said:
I think it is great! It's about time someone BIG plays on the otherside. Let's see if Bush is going to talk tough to China like he does about N. Korea. Let's watch and see how Amerikkka's "PUNK" card gets pulled. The Chinese Ambassador to th UN is already talking trash...where is Bush and his cowboy stance? Instead of worrying about these little bitch countries that Israel is STARTING crap with, we should have not been letting China become a world economic power while destroying the Amerikkkan manufacturing infastructure. :smh: They get their rockets from China...now what? Israeli cowards that attack women and children are not going to get into a REAL fight...not after being DEFEATED by Hezbollah. Yes defeated. When you have a superior army like the Israelies claim and you cannot take down a "terrorist" group with all of the civilian destruction they caused "YOU ARE USELESS" especially as allies.

China should send the good stuff to Lebanon. :lol:






AMERIKKKA PUNK CARD....LOL..THAT'S FUCKEN FUNNY...YO...REMEMBER WHEN CHINA TOOK THAT SPY PLANE ....KEPT IT...AND .DISMANTLE THE BITCH BEFORE RETURNING IT...??
 
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neo_cacos said:

AMERIKKKA PUNK CARD....LOL..THAT'S FUCKEN FUNNY...YO...REMEMBER WHEN CHINA TOOK THAT SPY PLANE ....KEPT IT...AND .DISMANTLE THE BITCH BEFORE RETURNING IT...??

that shit had me rolling - you know those mufuckas copied every little piece of equipment on that plane and got like 30 bootleg spy planes flying around Asia right now :lol:
 
Re: A Chinese link to Middle East conflict ?

Word, love those Chinese machetes used in Rwanda... Need more Chinese,US involvement in Africa.
 
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Russia, China, Iran Warn U.S.

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<font size="4">At Summit, Russia, China, Iran Issue Veiled Warning
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CBS News/Associated Press
BISHKEK, Kyrgyzstan, Aug. 16, 2007

(AP) The leaders of Russia, China and Iran said Thursday that Central Asia should be left alone to manage its stability and security _ an apparent warning to the United States to avoid interfering in the strategic, resource-rich region.

The veiled warning came at a meeting of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization and on the eve of major war games between Russia and China.

The SCO was created 11 years ago to address religious extremism and border security in Central Asia, but in recent years, with countries such as Iran signing on as observers, it has grown into a bloc aimed at defying U.S. interests in the region.

"Stability and security in Central Asia are best ensured primarily through efforts taken by the nations of the region on the basis of the existing regional associations," the leaders said in a statement at the end of the organization's summit in the Kyrgyz capital, Bishkek.

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, attending the summit for the second consecutive year, criticized U.S. plans to put parts of a missile defense system in Eastern Europe as a threat to the entire region.

"These intentions go beyond just one country. They are of concern for much of the continent, Asia and SCO members," he said.

Washington has said the system would help protect against potential Iranian missiles.

Russian President Vladimir Putin didn't mention the United States in his speech, but he said that "any attempts to solve global and regional problems unilaterally are hopeless."

He also called for "strengthening a multi-polar international system that would ensure equal security and opportunities for all countries" _ comments echoing Russia's frequent complaints that the United States dominates world affairs.

Moscow has also bristled at Washington's plans to deploy the anti-missile system in Poland and the Czech Republic, saying the system would threaten Russian security.

Putin and Hu Jintao of China were set to attend Friday's military exercises in the Chelyabinsk region in Russia's Ural Mountains. Some 6,000 Russian and Chinese troops, dozens of aircraft and hundreds of armored vehicles and other heavy weapons will participate _ the first such joint drills on Russia's territory.

China hosted the first-ever joint maneuvers in August 2005, which included a mock assault on the beaches of northern China and featured Russia's long-range bombers.

Moscow and Beijing have developed what they dubbed a "strategic partnership" after the Soviet collapse, cemented by their perceptions that the United States dominates global affairs.

In 2005, the SCO called for a timetable to be set for the withdrawal of U.S. troops from two member countries, Uzbekistan and Kyrgyzstan. Uzbekistan evicted American forces later that year, but Kyrgyzstan still hosts a U.S. base, which supports operations in nearby Afghanistan.

Russia also maintains a military base in Kyrgyzstan.

The SCO, whose members are some of the world's biggest energy producers and consumers, also discussed ways to enhance energy cooperation. Washington has supported plans for new pipelines that would carry the region's oil and gas to the West and bypass Russia, while Moscow has pushed strongly to control the export flows.

A further sign of the group's intention to influence energy markets was the participation in the Bishkek summit of Turkmen President Gurbanguli Berdymukhamedov, whose country is the second-largest producer of natural gas in the former Soviet Union after Russia. Turkmenistan is not an SCO member; the president was attending as a guest.

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Associated Press writer Bagila Bukharbayeva in Moscow contributed to this report.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/08/16/ap/asia/main3174930.shtml
 
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RIA Novosti
Russian News and Information Agency
20:21 | 16/ 08/ 2007

BISHKEK, August 16 (RIA Novosti) - Russia sees no threat emanating from Iran, the "rogue state" the United States is building its missile shield in Europe against, the Russian foreign minister said Thursday.

The U.S. announced in January plans to place a radar and a host of interceptor missiles in Poland and the Czech Republic to fend off what Washington sees as a growing missile threat from "rogue states," including Iran.

"In analyzing the Iranian leader's statement and the quite precise information at our disposal, we can see no such long-term threat," Sergei Lavrov told the media on the sidelines of a summit of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO) underway in the Kyrgyz capital, Bishkek.

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said earlier Thursday that the deployment of a U.S. missile shield in Europe threatened not only Iran but also the whole of Eurasia.

Asked when Russian and U.S. experts would hold a second round of consultations on the proposed U.S. missile shield, the minister said: "In September."

Lavrov also said that although Russia and China had not yet considered cooperation in missile defense, the two countries "share a vision of how to provide security." "We and China are analyzing the U.S. global missile defense plans targeting Europe and the East," the diplomat said.

The SCO, a regional group largely seen as a counterweight to U.S. influence in Asia, comprises Russia, China, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan and Uzbekistan, and has Iran, India, Pakistan and Mongolia as observers.

http://en.rian.ru/russia/20070816/71949222.html
 
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