Immigration Question

[Makkonnen]

Imagine that South Africa is predominately white.

The white settlers killed off almost all the original Africans there.
Then they imported South American slaves to work their farms and mines.
Over the years the South American slaves were freed and meshed into society somewhat.
South Africa's economy and world status was great.
So nice in fact that Africans from neighboring nations started coming over the border illegally to find work and live.
The South Americans are generally cool with Africans but the Africans have a lot of hostility towards them in areas closer to the border. Much of the hostility is based around the European enslavement of the South Americans and African colonization by European powers.
African immigrants want to be like those they perceive to be great- the whites.
The Africans start appealing to South Americans for help in their immigration issues.
The Africans mention the great leaders of the ex-slave population and try to find common ground and don't really address the fact that many Africans are hostile toward South Americans, even in their home nations.


Something kinda similar actually happened in regard to this during imperialist occupation of Africa. Importation of Asians was not uncommon. But the rest of the story never occurred. What do you think about the South Americans situation in the hypothetical? The Africans?

I had to look at our situation in the US like this. While I don't think we should leave, on a certain level I understand things from an aboriginal perspective. I do think the legacy of Spanish racism needs to be addressed before I can embrace all Latinos as brothers unilaterally. This doesn't mean I have beef with all Latinos. I treat people as they treat me, or better. But I do see a need for armed conflict with armed racist hispanics.

 

[totalmoney]

Ammm I see where you are coming from but in that case most Africans would be pretty upset that South Americans are dominating work in Africa !!!...It does matter if they came from over the border...its Africa still...Its a totally different scenario in America because the Country of America is not so connected with a race and would not be analogous to African race and Africa...You are completely tiring yourself up because if orignally Amerindians romed America and I dont think there is much of an issue between them and neighbouring past Amerindian descent states such as Mexican immigrants ...They have been totally wiped out and given virtually nothing ...thats their issue...Africa is a different story because the original inhabitants still live there and dominate in population if not in power...Their issue is exploitation by other states who ultimately dont put ANYTHING back into country.......As I said before I kinda feel you but you need to formulate a more airtight argument ....Peace good job !!!

 

[Dannyblueyes]

Black American slave labor is the main thing that made the USA worth immigrating to in the first place. If that were my ancestor's labor why would I fight so that another culture who didn't do the work could reap the benefits? I would be more concerned with getting a bigger piece of that well earned pie for myself. At the very least I would try to make sure that those benefits were well compensated.

 

[Makkonnen]

Totalmoney - Its a hypothetical situation. Look up the La Raza movement.
You say it doesn't matter its still Africa but when the situation is reversed you change your reasoning based on your personal situation. I understand that. Just putting it out there. Just something interesting to consider. Im not arguing for or against anything. Just interested in hearing other people's views.

 

[Makkonnen]

Black American slave labor is the main thing that made the USA worth immigrating to in the first place. If that were my ancestor's labor why would I fight so that another culture who didn't do the work could reap the benefits? I would be more concerned with getting a bigger piece of that well earned pie for myself. At the very least I would try to make sure that those benefits were well compensated.

I agree with that. Giving stolen land to dead people isn't possible so no need for me to bounce.
What's your opinion of the comparison between other people from the same continent attempting to inhabit land where their tribal relatives were victims of genocide?