If Martin came out today rather than the early 90s would heads say it was cooning?

[geechiedan]

I KINDA MESSED UP THE FIRST TWO QUESTIONS..SCRATCH THE YES AND NO AND JUST GO WITH THE STATEMENTS AFTER THEM..
<del>Yes</del> - Martin was a good show then and would be today

<del>No</del> - Martin today would be considered coonery/buffoonery

It would still work but I would wince more today than I did 20 years ago

I thought that shit was cooning in 1992

Martin benefited from coming out out at a time during an explosing (of sorts) in diversity in black tv shows and films. That diversity has waned in the last 10 years or so. Looking at the sitcom, Martin relied heavily on zany comedy, exaggerated acting (particularly Martin mugging and eye bugging for the camera) and generalized stereotypes. If Martin came out today would cats say that it was coonery?

Mind you..remember some of the more flamboyant elements of the show:

Sheneneh - stereotypical hood girl (martin in drag)

Mama Payne - stereotypical black mama (martin again in drag)

Jerome - hood pimp/player

Bruh-man - not too bright freeloader

Cole - the dimwit of the group

Hustle man - self explanatory

Bob from marketing dept - borderline offensively stereotypical white person- (Martin in whiteface)

Gay man - flaming homosexual stereotype - a character who would show up and hit on martin periodically

If THIS show came out in 2012 do you think it would be as popular or beloved as it was 20 years ago in 1992?

 

[Onpoint]

Re: If Martin came out today rather than the early 90s would heads say it was cooning

Hell no! Martin is to black folks what Seinfeld is to whites! Martin brought that "New Jack" form of comedy to the households of America! No way was it cooning, we all new someone in the hood or our family like the characters on the show!

 

[william busa]

Re: If Martin came out today rather than the early 90s would heads say it was cooning

Didn't use the word "coon", but I hate how "over the top" Martin was. Never liked the show, wasn't funny to me. I'm sure at that time there may have been some that would have used the word. I never use that word when someone is making an honest living.

Cooning to me is selling drugs to your own people, having babies with different women and not taking care of them, laying up and letting women take care of you (men), still living with ya moms, wearing cloths exposing your underwear, having rims on your ride but not paying child support for your kids, killing your own people over colors or land that don't even belong to you (you aint paid no taxes on that shit), wearing nice clothes or expensive weaves/wigs while your kids look like shit, knowing more stats about sport teams and the players but don't know shit about the government or world events. This list can get pretty long.

 

[fwillia]

Re: If Martin came out today rather than the early 90s would heads say it was cooning

As funny as that show is sometimes, it's also cheesy and poorly written.

I don't think if it was introduced as a new show today it would have nearly the impact that it did in the 90's.

 

[Rock'Em Sock'Em Jones]

Re: If Martin came out today rather than the early 90s would heads say it was cooning

Kind of an unfair question. The era in which these shows came have a huge influence on how they were executed. If it came out today, b/c of events and things that have happened since that time, it would probably be a different show entirely.

Just like Good Times, the Jeffersons, Sanford & Son, etc. They all are what they are b/c of the era from which they came. Some of those shows don't connect w/ me as much b/c they were slightly before my time but I realize that people at the time got it b/c of what was going on back then. You just have to leave it there and let it stand for what it was.

 

[ballscout1]

Re: If Martin came out today rather than the early 90s would heads say it was cooning

A lot of these young wanna be keyboard militants would.

Can't tell the difference between sight gags and comedy and civil rights leadership.

Yeah brah man from the 5th flo makes us look bad in front of the white folx who don't have enough real life negative shit to make their broad brush opinions from.

 

[tapdatass]

Re: If Martin came out today rather than the early 90s would heads say it was cooning

i will admit the first season or 2 was veerryyy corny now that i look at it.... the whole "you go girl" and all that nonsense... but got better and better... the fact that he was on FOX says a lot as well

 

[Hey Julian!]

Re: If Martin came out today rather than the early 90s would heads say it was cooning

Comedy from a decade ago reflects the times. Look at any show from 10 years plus and almost all of it looks unfunny and outdated. I still find the show funny. Why is physical comedy cooning when the comediam is black anyway? OP should ask himself why he's even considering it as potentially cooning. FOH with this thread.

 

[4 Dimensional]

Re: If Martin came out today rather than the early 90s would heads say it was cooning

Kind of an unfair question. The era in which these shows came have a huge influence on how they were executed. If it came out today, b/c of events and things that have happened since that time, it would probably be a different show entirely.

Just like Good Times, the Jeffersons, Sanford & Son, etc. They all are what they are b/c of the era from which they came. Some of those shows don't connect w/ me as much b/c they were slightly before my time but I realize that people at the time got it b/c of what was going on back then. You just have to leave it there and let it stand for what it was.

Agreed, but I do think Good Times is still a very relevant show for today's issues.

 

[geechiedan]

Re: If Martin came out today rather than the early 90s would heads say it was cooning

i will admit the first season or 2 was veerryyy corny now that i look at it.... the whole "you go girl" and all that nonsense... but got better and better... the fact that he was on FOX says a lot as well

history note: in the late 80s/early 90s Fox network was considered a junior network at best compared to the 3 major networks. Fox didn't become a major player until they acquired the rights to broadcast MLB and the World Series and other major sports deals.

 

[geechiedan]

Re: If Martin came out today rather than the early 90s would heads say it was cooning

Kind of an unfair question. The era in which these shows came have a huge influence on how they were executed. If it came out today, b/c of events and things that have happened since that time, it would probably be a different show entirely.

Just like Good Times, the Jeffersons, Sanford & Son, etc. They all are what they are b/c of the era from which they came. Some of those shows don't connect w/ me as much b/c they were slightly before my time but I realize that people at the time got it b/c of what was going on back then. You just have to leave it there and let it stand for what it was.

true but I'm talking more about the actual physical elements of the show...the dressing in drag, the ridiculous characters, the over acting.

 

[tuckdog]

Re: If Martin came out today rather than the early 90s would heads say it was cooning

Your poll question and answers are conflicting a little.

 

[sirwoodz]

Re: If Martin came out today rather than the early 90s would heads say it was cooning

I will never call another black show or person on TV a "COON" or practicing "COONERY" again:

(new show on MTV about west virginia rednecks called BUCKWILD)

 

[geechiedan]

Re: If Martin came out today rather than the early 90s would heads say it was cooning

Your poll question and answers are conflicting a little.

oops...you get what I meant..

anyone know how to edit a poll..

 

[max-dawg]

Re: If Martin came out today rather than the early 90s would heads say it was cooning

and the bgol "derogatory word of the year," which displaced, "cac" is:

"cooning."​

note: the people who use it most don't use it in the context of this post. to them, "cooning" is their shortened way of saying, "i'm monitoring your dick activity and preferences and think you should listen and do what i say."

so, even tho the word is the winner, it isn't applied correctly by those who choose to use it... and esp. not in any historical sense.

congrats, folks.

 

[Problematic]

Re: If Martin came out today rather than the early 90s would heads say it was cooning

Kind of an unfair question. The era in which these shows came have a huge influence on how they were executed. If it came out today, b/c of events and things that have happened since that time, it would probably be a different show entirely.

Just like Good Times, the Jeffersons, Sanford & Son, etc. They all are what they are b/c of the era from which they came. Some of those shows don't connect w/ me as much b/c they were slightly before my time but I realize that people at the time got it b/c of what was going on back then. You just have to leave it there and let it stand for what it was.

w/ a few exceptions, most shows are merely snapshots in time

 

[geechiedan]

Re: If Martin came out today rather than the early 90s would heads say it was cooning

and the bgol "derogatory word of the year," which displaced, "cac" is:

"cooning."​

note: the people who use it most don't use it in the context of this post. to them, "cooning" is their shortened way of saying, "i'm monitoring your dick activity and preferences and think you should listen and do what i say."

so, even tho the word is the winner, it isn't applied correctly by those who choose to use it... and esp. not in any historical sense.

congrats, folks.

well then give the proper definition and context and lets see if martin matches it?

 

[Complex]

Re: If Martin came out today rather than the early 90s would heads say it was cooning

On BGOL...hell yeah

Dude dressing as a female

Dude playing stereotypical characters like Shenene and Jerome

Tommy with no job

Cole the idiot

The beady b jokes against Pam the darker female

 

[PsyenceRawk]

Re: If Martin came out today rather than the early 90s would heads say it was cooning

Martin > Meet the Brown's/House of Payne

 

[Mr. Del]

Re: If Martin came out today rather than the early 90s would heads say it was cooning

Martin was funny and appropriate for its time, and still funny as hell to me to this day. Martin didn't just play dress up, the comedy, the timing, the delivery was well executed. Tons of quotables and gifs used by this board support that statement. Fuck what “heads" think.

Also, all acting is overacting. Watching regular people do regular shit is boring. Hence the reason actors put on a show by over exaggerating their expressions.

 

[geechiedan]

Re: If Martin came out today rather than the early 90s would heads say it was cooning

On BGOL...hell yeah

Dude dressing as a female

Dude playing stereotypical characters like Shenene and Jerome

Tommy with no job

Cole the idiot

The beady b jokes against Pam the darker female

yeah...I think people have a hard time being objective about it because of nostalgia..

 

[RAY V.]

Re: If Martin came out today rather than the early 90s would heads say it was cooning

On BGOL...hell yeah

Dude dressing as a female

Dude playing stereotypical characters like Shenene and Jerome

Tommy with no job

Cole the idiot

The beady b jokes against Pam the darker female

fuck it beyond all the stereotyping and coonery the show was funny as fuck

that damn jerome was a damn fool

 

[M.H.C.]

Re: If Martin came out today rather than the early 90s would heads say it was cooning

Naw

 

[IT IS WHAT IT IS]

Re: If Martin came out today rather than the early 90s would heads say it was cooning

Kind of an unfair question. The era in which these shows came have a huge influence on how they were executed. If it came out today, b/c of events and things that have happened since that time, it would probably be a different show entirely.

Just like Good Times, the Jeffersons, Sanford & Son, etc. They all are what they are b/c of the era from which they came. Some of those shows don't connect w/ me as much b/c they were slightly before my time but I realize that people at the time got it b/c of what was going on back then. You just have to leave it there and let it stand for what it was.

This is probably one of the most intelligent things I've read on BGOL in years!!! Thanks for restoring my faith that almost EVERYONE on BGOL isn't brain dead or 14 years old!!

 

[IT IS WHAT IT IS]

Re: If Martin came out today rather than the early 90s would heads say it was cooning

fuck it beyond all the stereotyping and coonery the show was funny as fuck

that damn jerome was a damn fool

That Niccas stance was smooth as hell wasn't it!!!

 

[Blu Diablo]

Re: If Martin came out today rather than the early 90s would heads say it was cooning

true but I'm talking more about the actual physical elements of the show...the dressing in drag, the ridiculous characters, the over acting.

On BGOL...hell yeah

Dude dressing as a female

Dude playing stereotypical characters like Shenene and Jerome

Tommy with no job

Cole the idiot

The beady b jokes against Pam the darker female

These were my issues with the show when it was current. Not on some militant type shit, but it just ain't my preferred style of funny. The show did have some funny moments though.

That said, they did a pretty good job blending sketch comedy into a sitcom format.

 

[BrownTurd]

Re: If Martin came out today rather than the early 90s would heads say it was cooning

Some people just don't know how or will allow themselves to have fun. Comedy is all about having fun and acting silly.

Some people are just tight all the time and will turn their nose up to anything fun.

 

[RAY V.]

Re: If Martin came out today rather than the early 90s would heads say it was cooning

That Niccas stance was smooth as hell wasn't it!!!

 

[Chitownheadbusa]

Re: If Martin came out today rather than the early 90s would heads say it was cooning

I think the fact that too many Black folks are still worrying about what irrelevant people think about them is more troublesome than a TV show.

 

[Mr. Del]

Re: If Martin came out today rather than the early 90s would heads say it was cooning

Some people just don't know how or will allow themselves to have fun. Comedy is all about having fun and acting silly.

Some people are just tight all the time and will turn their nose up to anything fun.

I'm afraid to cosign you because there's always some stupid agenda behind your thoughts, but on the surface I agree.

Ppl are scared of stereotypes on TV as if it truly represents black culture. Damn near all your favorite shows stereotype and over exaggerate. Yes, even the white ones.

But I'm sure the average Joe can tell the difference between Martin and any Tyler Perry sitcom.

 

[geechiedan]

Re: If Martin came out today rather than the early 90s would heads say it was cooning

I'm afraid to cosign you because there's always some stupid agenda behind your thoughts, but on the surface I agree.

Ppl are scared of stereotypes on TV as if it truly represents black culture. Damn near all your favorite shows stereotype and over exaggerate. Yes, even the white ones.

But I'm sure the average Joe can tell the difference between Martin and any Tyler Perry sitcom.

if the complaint is issues with cross dressing (emasculating black men) and stereotyped characterization then how does martin not classify?

 

[SamSneed]

Re: If Martin came out today rather than the early 90s would heads say it was cooning

drangon fly jones vs otis?

 

[N*E*R*D]

Re: If Martin came out today rather than the early 90s would heads say it was cooning

Mannnnnn fuck with the e-militants think, Martin was a classic. A lil over the top at times but it was a damn good show.

 

[Mr. Del]

Re: If Martin came out today rather than the early 90s would heads say it was cooning

if the complaint is issues with cross dressing (emasculating black men) and stereotyped characterization then how does martin not classify?

Emasculates YOU, bro. I can see you're trying to milk this topic for more than its worth, but try this:

Stop hanging around people who'll judge YOU because of a character another actor (that you don't even know personally) played.

 

[BigDaddyBuk]

Re: If Martin came out today rather than the early 90s would heads say it was cooning

i didnt watch it during its original run, and have only seen a few episodes of it since.

i called it buffoonery back then, as i wasn't introduced to the concept of cooning yet.