How Obama used party rules to foil Clinton

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Obama used party rules to foil Clinton
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May 30 10:48 AM US/Eastern
By STEPHEN OHLEMACHER
Associated Press Writer

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WASHINGTON (AP) - Unlike Hillary Rodham Clinton, rival Barack Obama planned for the long haul.

Clinton hinged her whole campaign on an early knockout blow on Super Tuesday, while Obama's staff researched congressional districts in states with primaries that were months away. What they found were opportunities to win delegates, even in states they would eventually lose.

Obama's campaign mastered some of the most arcane rules in politics, and then used them to foil a front-runner who seemed to have every advantage—money, fame and a husband who had essentially run the Democratic Party for eight years as president.
"Without a doubt, their understanding of the nominating process was one of the keys to their success," said Tad Devine, a Democratic strategist not aligned with either candidate. "They understood the nuances of it and approached it at a strategic level that the Clinton campaign did not."

Careful planning is one reason why Obama is emerging as the nominee as the Democratic Party prepares for its final three primaries, Puerto Rico on Sunday and Montana and South Dakota on Tuesday. Attributing his success only to soaring speeches and prodigious fundraising ignores a critical part of contest.
Obama used the Democrats' system of awarding delegates to limit his losses in states won by Clinton while maximizing gains in states he carried. Clinton, meanwhile, conserved her resources by essentially conceding states that favored Obama, including many states that held caucuses instead of primaries.

In a stark example, Obama's victory in Kansas wiped out the gains made by Clinton for winning New Jersey, even though New Jersey had three times as many delegates at stake. Obama did it by winning big in Kansas while keeping the vote relatively close in New Jersey.

The research effort was headed by Jeffrey Berman, Obama's press-shy national director of delegate operations. Berman, who also tracked delegates in former Rep. Dick Gephardt's presidential bids, spent the better part of 2007 analyzing delegate opportunities for Obama.

Obama won a majority of the 23 Super Tuesday contests on Feb. 5 and then spent the following two weeks racking up 11 straight victories, building an insurmountable lead among delegates won in primaries and caucuses.

What made it especially hard for Clinton to catch up was that Obama understood and took advantage of a nominating system that emerged from the 1970s and '80s, when the party struggled to find a balance between party insiders and its rank-and-file voters.

Until the 1970s, the nominating process was controlled by party leaders, with ordinary citizens having little say. There were primaries and caucuses, but the delegates were often chosen behind closed doors, sometimes a full year before the national convention. That culminated in a 1968 national convention that didn't reflect the diversity of the party—racially or ideologically.

The fiasco of the 1968 convention in Chicago, where police battled anti-war protesters in the streets, led to calls for a more inclusive process.

One big change was awarding delegates proportionally, meaning you can finish second or third in a primary and still win delegates to the party's national convention. As long candidates get at least 15 percent of the vote, they are eligible for delegates.
The system enables strong second-place candidates to stay competitive and extend the race—as long as they don't run out of campaign money.

"For people who want a campaign to end quickly, proportional allocation is a bad system," Devine said. "For people who want a system that is fair and reflective of the voters, it's a much better system."

Another big change was the introduction of superdelegates, the party and elected officials who automatically attend the convention and can vote for whomever they choose regardless of what happens in the primaries and caucuses.
Superdelegates were first seated at the 1984 convention. Much has been made of them this year because neither Obama nor Clinton can reach the number of delegates needed to secure the nomination without their support.

A more subtle change was the distribution of delegates within each state. As part of the proportional system, Democrats award delegates based on statewide vote totals as well as results in individual congressional districts. The delegates, however, are not distributed evenly within a state, like they are in the Republican system.

Under Democratic rules, congressional districts with a history of strong support for Democratic candidates are rewarded with more delegates than districts that are more Republican. Some districts packed with Democratic voters can have as many as eight or nine delegates up for grabs, while more Republican districts in the same state have three or four.

The system is designed to benefit candidates who do well among loyal Democratic constituencies, and none is more loyal than black voters. Obama, who would be the first black candidate nominated by a major political party, has been winning 80 percent to 90 percent of the black vote in most primaries, according to exit polls.
"Black districts always have a large number of delegates because they are the highest performers for the Democratic Party," said Elaine Kamarck, a Harvard University professor who is writing a book about the Democratic nominating process.
"Once you had a black candidate you knew that he would be winning large numbers of delegates because of this phenomenon," said Kamarck, who is also a superdelegate supporting Clinton.

In states like Ohio and Pennsylvania, Clinton won the statewide vote but Obama won enough delegates to limit her gains. In states Obama carried, like Georgia and Virginia, he maximized the number of delegates he won.

"The Obama campaign was very good at targeting districts in areas where they could do well," said former DNC Chairman Don Fowler, a Clinton superdelegate from South Carolina. "They were very conscious and aware of these nuances."



But, Fowler noted, the best strategy in the world would have been useless without the right candidate.



"If that same strategy and that same effort had been used with a different candidate, a less charismatic candidate, a less attractive candidate, it wouldn't have worked," Fowler said. "The reason they look so good is because Obama was so good."



Copyright 2008 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
 

divine

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this part is what stood out to me... I plan to keep an eye out on the DNC to see if they try to change the rules for 2012.

Black folks need to realize how much power they have in electing the democratic nominee!!!

The system is designed to benefit candidates who do well among loyal Democratic constituencies, and none is more loyal than black voters. Obama, who would be the first black candidate nominated by a major political party, has been winning 80 percent to 90 percent of the black vote in most primaries, according to exit polls.
"Black districts always have a large number of delegates because they are the highest performers for the Democratic Party," said Elaine Kamarck, a Harvard University professor who is writing a book about the Democratic nominating process.
"Once you had a black candidate you knew that he would be winning large numbers of delegates because of this phenomenon," said Kamarck, who is also a superdelegate supporting Clinton.
 

DaleMabry

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For all you hatin' ass faggots who attribute the man's success to his race and not his mastery of politics.

Learn up, bitches.
 

Spectrum

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this part is what stood out to me... I plan to keep an eye out on the DNC to see if they try to change the rules for 2012.

Black folks need to realize how much power they have in electing the democratic nominee!!!

:yes::yes::yes:

I hope this year has been an eye-opener for people. And going forward to the GE, If black folks come out in record numbers, it's going to put states like Georgia, NC, etc into play...
 

Darth Furious

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:yes::yes::yes:

I hope this year has been an eye-opener for people. And going forward to the GE, If black folks come out in record numbers, it's going to put states like Georgia, NC, etc into play...

COSIGN. Regardless to the empty rhetoric from spiteful officials and Clinton supporters who want to force this thing into a new form of submission and bend the will of the party to their ways. Please stop. We need to grow and advance from this mess.


oNE
 

LordSinister

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Great read. Hope this helps people who don't understand the chess vs. checkers analogy.

She thought she would be "kinged" just by moving forward, while cuzz was up 2 over 1 and moving diagonal on her ass.

I love it.
 

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this part is what stood out to me... I plan to keep an eye out on the DNC to see if they try to change the rules for 2012.

Black folks need to realize how much power they have in electing the democratic nominee!!!

That's what Hillary has been "subtly" bitching about when her and her surrogates keep bitching about delegate math and how unfair the system is. All those redneck votes she gets in Republican heavy areas don't count for as much as the black votes Obama gets. Hillary surrogates have already been talking up scrapping the current system and reworking it for 2012 and the FIRST thing on their list is suppressing the black vote. This system was cool when the Dems thought they had black folks in pocket and that they would vote for whatever candidate they were told to vote for, but after this Obama "betrayal", the system has to go.

Nobody had done the delegate math as well as Obama before because nobody bothered to factor in the black vote before (it was assumed we'd do as told).

That's why the Dems kept trotting out hankey-heads to tell black folks how disloyal and uninformed they were to not vote for Hillary like the party assumed they would. The party assumed we would just vote for the Clinton name without thinking even with Obama in the race (not like we hadn't voted for who we were told to vote for before with a black candidate on the ticket). Fucked up part is that we almost did the shit again, but then black folks noticed something in Obama and MANY black folks noticed that white folks felt comfortable voting for him and they saw their shot and took it. Black folks mobilized, voted in MASSIVE blocks and pretty much flipped this primary season on it's dome.

But the Dems are gonna make DAMN SURE some shit like this NEVER happens again and the FIRST thing they will do is take as much political power as possible away from the black electorate whose vote is useless to them if they can't dictate how it is used.
 

BigDaddyBuk

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this guy has an extremely able staff around him. they are playing the game cerebrally rather than emotionally.

they fucked Clinton's camp up all from the shadows.

Clinton's team was so outmatched there were major shake ups LATE in the game to just try to match Obama's crew.

i only wonder what kind of shit they have planned for McCain.
 

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The system is designed to benefit candidates who do well among loyal Democratic constituencies, and none is more loyal than black voters. Obama, who would be the first black candidate nominated by a major political party, has been winning 80 percent to 90 percent of the black vote in most primaries, according to exit polls.
"Black districts always have a large number of delegates because they are the highest performers for the Democratic Party," said Elaine Kamarck, a Harvard University professor who is writing a book about the Democratic nominating process.
"Once you had a black candidate you knew that he would be winning large numbers of delegates because of this phenomenon," said Kamarck, who is also a superdelegate supporting Clinton.

yea, i didn't realize this is how it worked.. you know they gonna change that shit now...

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this part is what stood out to me... I plan to keep an eye out on the DNC to see if they try to change the rules for 2012.

Black folks need to realize how much power they have in electing the democratic nominee!!!

For all you hatin' ass faggots who attribute the man's success to his race and not his mastery of politics.

Learn up, bitches.

:dance::lol::dance::lol::dance::lol::dance: the boy is good, and he got good people around him.

:yes::yes::yes:

I hope this year has been an eye-opener for people. And going forward to the GE, If black folks come out in record numbers, it's going to put states like Georgia, NC, etc into play...

C/S - and Im definitely expecting some bullshit rule changes in the immediate future because of his mastery of Politics.
 

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Good for him. it proves that having knowledgable people around you is better than having a big name. All Clinton had was a big name
 

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That's what Hillary has been "subtly" bitching about when her and her surrogates keep bitching about delegate math and how unfair the system is. All those redneck votes she gets in Republican heavy areas don't count for as much as the black votes Obama gets. Hillary surrogates have already been talking up scrapping the current system and reworking it for 2012 and the FIRST thing on their list is suppressing the black vote. This system was cool when the Dems thought they had black folks in pocket and that they would vote for whatever candidate they were told to vote for, but after this Obama "betrayal", the system has to go.

Nobody had done the delegate math as well as Obama before because nobody bothered to factor in the black vote before (it was assumed we'd do as told).

That's why the Dems kept trotting out hankey-heads to tell black folks how disloyal and uninformed they were to not vote for Hillary like the party assumed they would. The party assumed we would just vote for the Clinton name without thinking even with Obama in the race (not like we hadn't voted for who we were told to vote for before with a black candidate on the ticket). Fucked up part is that we almost did the shit again, but then black folks noticed something in Obama and MANY black folks noticed that white folks felt comfortable voting for him and they saw their shot and took it. Black folks mobilized, voted in MASSIVE blocks and pretty much flipped this primary season on it's dome.

But the Dems are gonna make DAMN SURE some shit like this NEVER happens again and the FIRST thing they will do is take as much political power as possible away from the black electorate whose vote is useless to them if they can't dictate how it is used.
Well said and powerfully stated
 

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Excellent article that shows the strength of Obama and his team!

As an aside I have to give props to BGOL in general. I've learned more about the political system over the past couple of months than I've learned in a lifetime of reading the newspapers and listening to the news...
 

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That's what Hillary has been "subtly" bitching about when her and her surrogates keep bitching about delegate math and how unfair the system is. All those redneck votes she gets in Republican heavy areas don't count for as much as the black votes Obama gets. Hillary surrogates have already been talking up scrapping the current system and reworking it for 2012 and the FIRST thing on their list is suppressing the black vote. This system was cool when the Dems thought they had black folks in pocket and that they would vote for whatever candidate they were told to vote for, but after this Obama "betrayal", the system has to go.

Nobody had done the delegate math as well as Obama before because nobody bothered to factor in the black vote before (it was assumed we'd do as told).

That's why the Dems kept trotting out hankey-heads to tell black folks how disloyal and uninformed they were to not vote for Hillary like the party assumed they would. The party assumed we would just vote for the Clinton name without thinking even with Obama in the race (not like we hadn't voted for who we were told to vote for before with a black candidate on the ticket). Fucked up part is that we almost did the shit again, but then black folks noticed something in Obama and MANY black folks noticed that white folks felt comfortable voting for him and they saw their shot and took it. Black folks mobilized, voted in MASSIVE blocks and pretty much flipped this primary season on it's dome.

But the Dems are gonna make DAMN SURE some shit like this NEVER happens again and the FIRST thing they will do is take as much political power as possible away from the black electorate whose vote is useless to them if they can't dictate how it is used.




Nice breakdown.


Good drop Divine.............

:yes::yes::yes:
 

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"Black districts always have a large number of delegates because they are the highest performers for the Democratic Party," said Elaine Kamarck, a Harvard University professor who is writing a book about the Democratic nominating process.
"Once you had a black candidate you knew that he would be winning large numbers of delegates because of this phenomenon," said Kamarck, who is also a superdelegate supporting Clinton
How does this propaganda persist? Black folks were not voting for Obama in the beginning. Hilary would have had this sewn up if she wasn't so cocky...
 

divine

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im no so sure about that. Black foks rallied behind Obama after they realized he was the real deal.

How does this propaganda persist? Black folks were not voting for Obama in the beginning. Hilary would have had this sewn up if she wasn't so cocky...
 

HarlemPerv

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They are definitely going to change the rules to weaken the Black vote. You know how they do, as soon as we start winning, they change the rules.
 

kenbgco68

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They are definitely going to change the rules to weaken the Black vote. You know how they do, as soon as we start winning, they change the rules.

If anything, the politicians in 'poor white' states gonna be the ones hurting. There's a reason Kentucky and West VA are at the back of the pack voting in primaries: Dem leaders know a lot of them are prolly vote republican in the general election.

Look for THEIR power to be diminished in the future, not ours.

We'll continue to be a strong voting block for Dems... just not for Hilda (or anybody who signed off on the shit she's trying to pull).
 

Tony Soprano

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They are definitely going to change the rules to weaken the Black vote. You know how they do, as soon as we start winning, they change the rules.

Yep, kinda like how they decided to update the golfcourse at Augusta National after Tiger started winning the Masters every year.:yes:
 

kenbgco68

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^^^^ I'm kind of an encyclopedia of anti-Black conspiracy theories, but I never heard of that one.

I found this with a google search, looks like they're constantly making course changes:

"Augusta National has gone through more changes since its inception than any of the world's twenty or so greatest courses."
- http://www.golfclubatlas.com/augusta000150.html

You got any stats to back this up?
 

Tony Soprano

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^^^^ I'm kind of an encyclopedia of anti-Black conspiracy theories, but I never heard of that one.

I found this with a google search, looks like they're constantly making course changes:

"Augusta National has gone through more changes since its inception than any of the world's twenty or so greatest courses."
- http://www.golfclubatlas.com/augusta000150.html

You got any stats to back this up?

Dont really have the stats on hand, it's more like common knowledge since I keep up with sports on the regular. However, a number of other courses have been updated ever since Tiger Woods broke onto the golf scene.

The term many sportswriters have called it was "Tiger-proofing" the courses.
 
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