How capitalism kills companies

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As Mitt Romney cruises to his inevitable coronation as the Republican presidential candidate, increasing amounts of attention are being focused on his history at Bain Capital, where he made his fortune. Did he create 100,000 jobs, as he claims? Or is he a vulture and asset stripper?

Glenn Kessler has the definitive take on the job-creation claim, which he says is “untenable”; as he says, Romney’s method of counting jobs created when he wasn’t at Bain or when Bain wasn’t managing the companies in question doesn’t even pass the laugh test. Meanwhile, as Mark Maremont documents, Bain-run companies — even the successful ones — have an alarming tendency to end up in bankruptcy. And I think it’s fair to say that bankruptcy never creates jobs, except perhaps among bankruptcy lawyers.

The reality is that Romney would have been in violation of his fiduciary duty to his investors had he concentrated on creating jobs, rather than extracting as much money as he possibly could from the companies he bought. For instance, Worldwide Grinding Systems was a win for Bain, where it made $12 million on its initial $8 million investment, plus another $4.5 million in consulting fees. But the firm ended up in bankruptcy, 750 people lost their jobs, and the US government had to bail out the company’s pension plan to the tune of $44 million. There’s no sense in which that is just.

Romney’s company, Bain Capital, was a “private equity” firm — the friendly, focus-grouped phrase which replaced “leveraged buy-outs” after Mike Milken blew up. But at heart it’s the same thing: you buy companies with an enormous amount of borrowed money, and then dividend as much money out of them as you can. If they still manage to grow, you can make a fortune; if they don’t grow, they’ll likely fail, but even then you might well have made a profit anyway.

Private equity companies need growth, because they’re built on the idea of buying, restructuring, and then selling. They’re never in any business for the long haul: instead, they want to make as much money as they can as quickly as possible, sell out, and keep all the profits for themselves and their investors. When you sell, you want to maximize the price you can ask — and the way to do that is to show healthy growth. No one will pay top dollar for a company which isn’t growing.

Private equity is by no means unique in this respect: it happens at pretty much every public company, too. John Gapper, today, has a column about the way it destroys values at struggling technology companies:
Most public companies are run by people who hate folding ’em, and instead keep returning to the shareholders and bondholders for more chips…

Few senior executives, when debating options for a technology company in decline, admit defeat and run it modestly. Instead, they cast around for businesses to buy, or try to hurdle the chasm with what they have got. Sometimes they succeed but often they don’t, wasting a lot of money along the way.

It goes against their instincts to concede that the odds are so stacked against them that it is not worth the gamble. Mr Perez would have faced a hostile audience if he’d admitted it to the citizens of Rochester, Kodak’s company town in New York, but its investors would have benefited.
At many companies, then, both public and private, the optimal course of action is a modest one — run the business so that it makes a reasonable profit, and can continue to operate indefinitely. If you chase after growth, you often end up in bankruptcy: that’s one reason why the oldest companies in the world are all family-run. Families, unlike public companies or private-equity shops, don’t need growth: they’re more interested in looking after their business over the very, very long run.

There’s no limit at all to the amount of growth that the public companies will demand: in 2007, for instance, after a year when Citigroup made an astonishing $21.5 billion in net income, Fortune was complaining about its “less-than-stellar earnings”, and saying — quite accurately — that if they didn’t improve, the CEO would soon be out of a job. We now know, of course, that most if not all of those earnings were illusory, a product of the housing bubble which was shortly to burst and bring the bank to the brink of insolvency. But even bubblicious illusory earnings aren’t good enough for the stock market.

If you want to be fair to Mitt Romney, you could make the point that many of the companies he bought were highly risky, and would probably have gone bust anyway; in that sense he can’t be blamed if they eventually did just that. If a company is going to fail, you might as well squeeze the maximum amount of money out of it before it does. But doing that, at the margin, means more job losses, quicker job losses, and — as we saw at that steel company — a willingness to underfund staff pension plans and stiff the government with the bill. Mitt Romney turns out to have a personality which is highly suited to that kind of ruthlessly callous behavior; that’s how he became so incredibly wealthy. It’s an ugly part of capitalism; it might even be a necessary part of capitalism. But the one thing you can’t do is spin it as a great way of creating jobs.
 
Interesting article. The writer is obviously hostile to capitalism, which is really just free men exchanging the goods-companies in this instance-that they have acquired for prices that they both agree on (unlike state managed institutions which force people to buy companies whether or not they agree on the price or find the business likely to succeed... Solyndra as the most prominent example so far... Some succeed some fail, but the point is I don't make the decision to purchase a share in the company). But if you don't want to get involved in the kind of risky capital manipulation that occured at Bain capital you don't have to. By Bonds in solid companies when you have the paper and get your %2.5 and move on (I would avoid munies and treasuries at this point...). That is why I prefer 401k's to pension plans. I get to invest MY money in stock's or Bonds that I think will pan out. If I am wrong then I'm the fool and I don't have anyone else to blame. With a pension, you just get charged and put your money in a big pot, if it works out good for you, but most likely your union head over promised and overextended your business and the pension is likely to drag your whole business into the gutter at which point I will either steal money from my neighbor (gvt bailout) or just be plain SOL because some idiot running the pension fund fucked up. But at least I was socially just right?
GTFOH

BTW... because I love my brothers and sisters on this board so much, I will give you a little bit of advice should the dear leader be reelected and the Reds, I mean Dems, win the house and Senate...

Get out of your 401k take the tax hit and Buy GOLD, Silver, Copper, Seeds, Canned food, Guns and ammunition. That's my advice. Take it or leave it. But if I were you, I would take it.
 
Interesting article. The writer is obviously hostile to capitalism, which is really just free men exchanging the goods-companies in this instance-that they have acquired for prices that they both agree on (unlike state managed institutions which force people to buy companies whether or not they agree on the price or find the business likely to succeed... Solyndra as the most prominent example so far... Some succeed some fail, but the point is I don't make the decision to purchase a share in the company). But if you don't want to get involved in the kind of risky capital manipulation that occured at Bain capital you don't have to. By Bonds in solid companies when you have the paper and get your %2.5 and move on (I would avoid munies and treasuries at this point...). That is why I prefer 401k's to pension plans. I get to invest MY money in stock's or Bonds that I think will pan out. If I am wrong then I'm the fool and I don't have anyone else to blame. With a pension, you just get charged and put your money in a big pot, if it works out good for you, but most likely your union head over promised and overextended your business and the pension is likely to drag your whole business into the gutter at which point I will either steal money from my neighbor (gvt bailout) or just be plain SOL because some idiot running the pension fund fucked up. But at least I was socially just right?
GTFOH

BTW... because I love my brothers and sisters on this board so much, I will give you a little bit of advice should the dear leader be reelected and the Reds, I mean Dems, win the house and Senate...

Get out of your 401k take the tax hit and Buy GOLD, Silver, Copper, Seeds, Canned food, Guns and ammunition. That's my advice. Take it or leave it. But if I were you, I would take it.

The writer is obviously hostile to capitalism

You are obviously blind to it's evils.

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I am not blind to the evils of mankind. But I am a champion of freedom. And I don't believe in stealing from my neighbor.
 
We elect people to manage the United States. Why can't workers elect a board or management to run a company?

All we have now is dictatorship rule at most of these companies.
 
We elect people to manage the United States. Why can't workers elect a board or management to run a company?

All we have now is dictatorship rule at most of these companies.
 
So an article addressing the ills of capitalism makes one hostile towards it? If the government has to "bail out" a pension plan isn't that also "stealing" from one's neighbor?

Capitalism is the economic engine that made this country great but it's also the same engine that led to a lot of it's ills, acknowledging it's flaws isn't a sign of hostility as much as it is a sign of responsibility.
 
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Because they don't own the company ? ? ? ya think , . , .


If its dictatorship you're complaining of, why are you proposing a dictatorship of the proletariat :confused:

You own the company; however, you are not given a voice for your ownership stake. When the bank or government gives them a loan from your bank account. Pension funds, or when the government gives tax breaks. The 'owner' or investor is getting their money from you some way.

Should people that pay the most taxes or loans money to the government decide who should be the president or in Congress? No... Companies should embody the principle of this country.

I am not saying that all companies need to switch to that style, let them compete, I bet a worker owned company with the right support would dust an investor controlled company. There is nothing stopping workers from buying ownership stake in a public company.

Plus you won't have job flight to foreign countries.
 
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You own the company; however, you are not given a voice for your ownership stake. When the bank or government gives them a loan from your bank account. Pension funds, or when the government gives tax breaks. The 'owner' or investor is getting their money from you some way.

IF you own the company, you control the board of directors. As such owner, you hold ALL of the shares and with those share you decide (by appointment or election) who comprises the board.


When the bank or government gives them a loan from your bank account.

I'm not understanding what you mean here.


Pension funds, or when the government gives tax breaks. The 'owner' or investor is getting their money from you some way.

Again, not understanding what you mean here.


Should people that pay the most taxes or loans money to the government decide who should be the president or in Congress?

If you mean should their BIGGER money decide more than most people's LESSER money, the answer obviously is no. From purely a one-man, one-vote perspective, those who pay the most taxes vote goes no further than one who pays no taxes, if the no-taxpayer actually gets out and votes.

If I didn't answer your question with the above, then I just don't get what you're talking about -- but I'm listening.


I am not saying that all companies need to switch to that style, let them compete, I bet a worker owned company with the right support would dust an investor controlled company. Plus you won't have job flight to foreign countries.

Bro, personally, I'm not down with what appears to me to be your argument in chief: private property can just be confiscated and given to someone else. If I have you wrong, I apologize and await your clarification.

I should also point out that I'm not a pure capitalist, either. I don't believe that capitalism at its purest is anywhere near as great as what its protagonist say it is, but I don't believe that its alternatives, i.e., socialism, communism, etc., are either. Like most things, the answers tend to lie somewhere in between and, like most things left to human hands and interaction, regulation will be required.

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Capitalism is the economic engine that made this country great but it's also the same engine that led to a lot of it's ills, acknowledging it's flaws isn't a sign of hostility as much as it is a sign of responsibility.

I endorse this message.
 
The best person(s) should manage a company, which in most cases will be the workers. In many companies, contributed capital may not have voice in the operations of company such as board selection and CEO. Many investors accept this condition and provide capital to companies, why can't investors accept a company run by workers?

The founder of many companies retain a majority of the voting stock which allows them to control the company without providing any capital . All the investor/owner wants is to have the best person managing the company, whether management, workers voting, or a company founder having most of the voting stock.
 
The best person(s) should manage a company, which in most cases will be the workers. In many companies, contributed capital may not have voice in the operations of company such as board selection and CEO. Many investors accept this condition and provide capital to companies, why can't investors accept a company run by workers?

Why do you make the assumption that workers, just because they are workers, are better managers of a company ? ? ? Am I to let my secretaries and paralegals, just up an run my firm ??? Are you fucking serious :confused:


The founder of many companies retain a majority of the voting stock which allows them to control the company without providing any capital. All the investor/owner wants is to have the best person managing the company, whether management, workers voting, or a company founder having most of the voting stock.
You're right in part and, I believe, confusing shit in part.

You're right that investor/owners typically have no part in the operation of the company, i.e., the limited partners in an Ltd. Partnership. But it was understood ab initio that the investor's role would be so limited. He's merely looking for a return and, in all likelihood, has no idea how to run the particular business. But, don't get this confused with your "Workers-Run-The-Company" theory. Surely, there may be workers with that type knowledge/skill -- but thats not the norm. Besides, if they want to run a company, run their own -- but they damn sure can get hired and then expect, merely because they're workers, that they should be running shit. :confused:
 
Capitalism doesn't kill companies............Incompetence does!

Remeber Solyndra was manufacturing solar panels for $6 and selling them for $3 :lol:
 
Capitalism doesn't kill companies............Incompetence does!

Remeber Solyndra was manufacturing solar panels for $6 and selling them for $3 :lol:

You sure are right in line with that current republican talking point. Faux Snooze is using it a lot lately. You must be back on Hannity's board.
 
You sure are right in line with that current republican talking point. Faux Snooze is using it a lot lately. You must be back on Hannity's board.

This....

too many Repugs on here....

fuck the republicans....stop lying and run on your record...

oh i forgot yall gave us Bush and a recession.:smh:
 
Capitalism doesn't kill companies............Incompetence does!

Remeber Solyndra was manufacturing solar panels for $6 and selling them for $3 :lol:

Solyndra was manufacturing solar panels for $6 and selling them for $3

Isn't that what the Chinese are doing? Actually they are doing iit with the help of Romney and anti regulation libertarians.
 
You sure are right in line with that current republican talking point. Faux Snooze is using it a lot lately. You must be back on Hannity's board.

i aint got cable, so f*ck Fox News. Attack the messenger & not the message.

Hell, a chimpanzee knows you can't stay in business by selling a $6 product for $3.
 
Capitalism is not just about the flow of goods and services. It is also a philosophy which makes it a energy or power. It is the power that allows 1 percent to control 99 percent. It is the power that enslaves thru dependency and opinion. That is how the people who understand the principles keep themselves in power. Observe how Perry and Gingrich are willing to undermine the Republican commandment of not attacking other Reps just to beat Romney and another picture of capitalism or power emerges.
 
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