Housing: Should Landlords Be Required to Pay for Your Internet?

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Should Landlords Be Required to Pay for Your Internet?
By Caroline Spivack
Photo-Illustration: Curbed; Photo: Getty
In Ben Kallos’s view, internet access is as much a basic necessity as heat and hot water. And he has a point, after a year in which a lot of us began our remote-work lives. More than 500,000 households in New York City lack internet access — and that’s why Kallos, the Upper East Side City Councilmember, has put forth a proposal requiring that all new residential buildings, as well as those undergoing renovations, be wired for broadband and that owners of all existing buildings with ten or more units provide it to their tenants gratis. After a three-year grace period to get everything up and running, that would give virtually all New Yorkers internet access — in theory, at least. It’s a laudable goal, one that Kallos calls “the right thing to do.”
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But shouldn’t universal broadband be a public amenity to begin with? (In many communities across the U.S., it already is.) What we’d be doing here, instead, is asking private-property owners to pay private companies in what amounts to a large giveaway to Spectrum, Verizon, and the other telecom giants who dominate the business. Kallos, of course, adopts the position — not unreasonable — that this is the way to get things done right now, rather than waiting for the much bigger, citywide shift laid out in the city’s Internet Master Plan. That is a yearslong, multibillion-dollar undertaking (and it has taken us since 2014 just to get to this point), and it will not, in the end, create a true citywide public-internet utility; instead, it will rely on a mix of public and private partnerships. “This is more immediate,” Kallos says, “and even in the jurisdictions that offer municipal broadband, it’s adding competition to the market, but it doesn’t make it free,” he told Curbed. “You have a lot of New Yorkers who, when the rent is done — the MetroCard, the groceries, the prescriptions are done — there’s just nothing left to pay for internet.”

Certainly true, but you have to suspect that landlords, or at least those owning unregulated apartments, will simply pass those costs right through in the form of rent increases. “Who is really going to end up paying for it? Is it the consumers, again?” asks Jane Coffin, a senior vice president at Internet Society, a nonprofit that advocates for greater access. The bill would prohibit landlords from spiking rents, but Kallos concedes that it doesn’t set fines or create an enforcement mechanism; that would fall to the city’s housing department, which is already overwhelmed. “I would start with public investment stepping up first,” Coffin says, noting that landlords can lawyer up against any new mandate. “You don’t want to run into a five-year battle in court with these cats.”
“Ultimately those free-market apartments will see rent increases to cover the costs. It’s human nature — it’s not greed. You have to cover the costs somewhere,” said Jay Martin, the executive director of the Community Housing Improvement Program, which represents operators of more than 400,000 apartments in the city. Martin’s greatest concern, he says, is for owners of rent-stabilized apartments, who would be on the hook to retrofit decades-old buildings with broadband and unable to recoup those costs through rent because increases for those units are set annually by the Rent Guidelines Board. Kallos’s bill, though, would set up city-funded grants to help landlords who can show that installing the infrastructure out of pocket would be a financial strain.
All that said, internet advocates aren’t ready to dismiss this bill. Most important, for Coffin, is ensuring that landlords aren’t pushed into a no-other-options situation for good. “There’s a balance here. You want the connectivity in the building, but are you locking in a company that landlords may not be able to afford later on? You don’t want to eliminate choice,” said Coffin. Incentives, such as a tax break, could make property owners more amenable to footing the bill for tenants’ internet. As long as there’s room for competition from smaller networks, suggests Brian Hall, the founder of NYC Mesh, a volunteer-run collective that connects tenants and buildings to the internet using fiber cables and wireless routers, the legislation is “the logical thing to do.” Hall explains that when Verizon and Spectrum install cables in a building, they can effectively keep any other entity out and maintain a monopoly; requiring the owners to do it during construction and renovations would remove that obstacle and makes it easier for NYC Mesh and other small community networks to offer a cheap alternative to the telecom giants. “Ideally, the internet would be regarded just as water. You don’t think about where your water comes from — it’s just there in your apartment,” said Hall. “This could make it a lot cheaper for the residents, and a lot simpler, and move us closer to that.”
 
Hell no,

then you have to go through their routers and shit,

and they can see everything yo ass is doing...


if you value your privacy you would have to be a fool

to agree to that...

Ol nosey ass landlords...
They cannot see what you're doing unless they can pull your logs/remote in/etc.. which no average Joe can.

My old landlord paid everyone's but he also paid water and garbage.
 
HELL NOOOOOO but if they want it I'll include it in the rent every month and if anyone decides to stream porn 24/7 the cost will reflect that also.

These cac change the rules and just demand everything......
 
They cannot see what you're doing unless they can pull your logs/remote in/etc.. which no average Joe can.

My old landlord paid everyone's but he also paid water and garbage.

oh that was just wifi,

Im thinking ethernet ran through is server..

but we just talkin bout wifi here??

if so..

fuck that.. I need a fuckin ethernet connection...

I like my internet smoooth ....

but I can see how it can be a great deal for people,

looks like you got a steal,

Like yo landlord was a chick,

and you was smashin dat ass :lol:
 
oh that was just wifi,

Im thinking ethernet ran through is server..

but we just talkin bout wifi here??

if so..

fuck that.. I need a fuckin ethernet connection...

I like my internet smoooth ....

but I can see how it can be a great deal for people,

looks like you got a steal,

Like yo landlord was a chick,

and you was smashin dat ass :lol:
Was a male but he had this old milk bitty of a sister who was sweet on me and was living in the building, she convinced him before I even moved in to get 1 router that the building could use for wifi.

I was a 25 when I moved in and all but one other tenant were older cats who had no need for wifi especially when they didn't know how to fully use it.

That was in the East Bay of cali where rent can go as high as $2k just for a studio so that not having to pay internet, water, etc.. was a steal.

Trade off was hoes on McArthur, Foothill, & International prowling the streets day night all under the misguidance of a Jack Harlo looking white boy pimp. Really sad shit because those are some young girls and lost women out there. That and the sideshows all day and night.

But still!
 
If you are using their router they can see every website you go to unless you use a vpn. It's a standard features in any decent router.
They can't see that unless they're the provider and manage the system.

At best they'd be able to pull your wifi setting and unblock/reveal the password.

They'd be even more at a lost if the person as you said were using a VPN but even those aren't always reliable (I'm looking at you Kasper.)
 
New buildings and renos wired for broadband? Yes. Outlawing complexes from locking out other providers? Yes. Treating it as a utility? Yes. But free? No. I need gigabit internet. Wont' move any place without it. But the old lady next door? She's probably fine with the bare minimum of 25/3.

As far as people who can't afford it, There's plenty of ways they can get it at a reduced or free cost that doesn't involve going to McDonald's or the Library. I'm all for subsidizing it for the needy but I know deep down that if it was mandatory that it's free then it will likely lock everyone into the same speed, just because of the need to control the scale of it all.
 
Shid here the kids was giving a phone thru your phone carrier with free hot spots to use here for internet during covid ! Why can't the government just do that for its people using older phones :idea:
 
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