Grading The Deal: Iverson To Denver

Rollie_Fingaz

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Grading The Deal: Iverson To Denver

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After ten plus seasons in Philadelphia, Allen Iverson finally gets to realize what it is like to play with legitimate talent as he takes his 28.1 career scoring average to Denver. When Carmelo Anthony’s suspension ends, the two will team up to form the most prolific scoring duo in the league.

This isn’t like the pairing of Iverson and Glenn Robinson (who Anthony is commonly compared to), when Big Dog’s skills were already eroded.

Iverson is a volume shooter, who has always been the infallible focal point of the Sixers’ offense, so the Nuggets’ success will he be based primarily off how he adjusts his game to the inevitable decrease in his shots per game average?



Denver:

When Anthony and J.R. Smith return, the Nuggets will likely feature the following starting line-up:

PG: Iverson
SG: Smith
SF: Anthony
PF: Eduardo Najera
C: Marcus Camby

Filling out the rotation will be Earl Boykins, Reggie Evans, Nene and Yakhouba Diawara.

With Andre Miller off to Philadelphia, the glaring hole on the club’s roster is at the point guard position. Iverson is capable of being a true point guard (more in the Steve Francis/Stephon Marbury sense than Steve Nash), but will he be keen to truly embrace the demands of distributing the ball and initiating an offense that doesn’t simply call for him to come off a myriad of screens?

The Nuggets must be hoping that Iverson legitimately transitions from scoring small guard into a point guard that performs the duties because it is a huge risk to impede the development of Anthony. Becoming a ‘passing will be my 1b option’ will prolong his career and give a depth to his legacy that he would have never been able to accomplish in Philadelphia.

Boykins will play point guard while Iverson shifts to shooting guard during some sequences, but he is more of a shooting guard as well, so the Nuggets are likely to acquire a point guard before the deadline arrives.

Iverson would have been much more likely to defer to Anthony had Saturday’s fight not occurred, but since he will have played about a dozen games until the incumbent star returns, that likelihood decreases drastically.

Fortunately while those two figure out how to balance their scoring, there isn’t another player on the roster who needs to have the ball in their hands with much frequency to be effective.

George Karl has demonstrated an ability to get along with big egos, but this trade reeks of the Ray Allen for Gary Payton deal he pulled off while in Milwaukee. The Bucks brought in Payton despite the presence of Sam Cassell, much the same as duplicating great scorers here.

There are three key differences as to why this trade is better for Denver than it was for that Milwaukee team:

1. Iverson is still one of the best players in the league, while Payton had begun to decline when he joined the Bucks.

2. Iverson arrives at a time when the Nuggets will be without their two best scorers for ten games and he will prevent the club from suffering a substantial setback in the win-loss column.

3. The price to acquire Iverson was far less than it was for Milwaukee when they gave up Ray Allen.

Grade for Denver: B+



Philadelphia:

Billy King was able to find a taker for Allen Iverson outside of the Eastern Conference, but beyond that, not much was accomplished. The two first round picks are expected to be in the 20's and while Miller's contract is almost half of Iverson's, he isn't one of the better values in the NBA. Miller is a serviceable point guard and could jumpstart Andre Iguodala from his static development, as well as Samuel Dalembert's.

He had hoped to acquire a Randy Foye, Shaun Livingston or Monta Ellis, but no GM was willing to budge on relinquishing young talent of that caliber. King apparently got tired of waiting for that kind of deal, which could have immediately led to a turnaround in the direction of the franchise and settled for one he could merely live with.

Grade for Philadelphia: D+
 
RF,

i know you didn't write this, but there's so much here to talk about.

Rollie_Fingaz said:
After ten plus seasons in Philadelphia, Allen Iverson finally gets to realize what it is like to play with legitimate talent

as opposed to illegitimate talent? i don't like how they phrase this. while allen iverson has not had a roster of all stars, he hasn't exactly had all bums either. there's been a great deal of talent that's gone through philadelphia, but the problem is that they all weren't there at the same time, and that what was there was rarely used cohesively.

Rollie_Fingaz said:
the two will team up to form the most prolific scoring duo in the league.

obviously, that will no longer be the case. same as when 2 great rebounders are on the same team. both numbers will decrease.

Rollie_Fingaz said:
Iverson is a volume shooter, who has always been the infallible focal point of the Sixers’ offense, so the Nuggets’ success will he be based primarily off how he adjusts his game to the inevitable decrease in his shots per game average?

i'm not sure that allen iverson is fairly categorized as a volume shooter. nor am i sure that the nuggets' success will be based on how allen iverson adjusts HIS game.

Rollie_Fingaz said:
With Andre Miller off to Philadelphia, the glaring hole on the club’s roster is at the point guard position.

i could not disagree more strongly. i don't feel as though the nuggets have GREATLY improved their perimeter shooting, and i feel that their biggest weakness is at the 4 and 5.

Rollie_Fingaz said:
Iverson is capable of being a true point guard

i disagree. i've always contended that allen iverson was wrongly slotted into the PG position. in fact, the ONLY reason he was cast into that position was because it was taking the O too deep into the shot clock to get him the ball. so to circumvent the D, allen iverson was forced into the PG role to get him the ball early in the shot clock.

Rollie_Fingaz said:
The Nuggets must be hoping that Iverson legitimately transitions from scoring small guard into a point guard that performs the duties because it is a huge risk to impede the development of Anthony. Becoming a ‘passing will be my 1b option’ will prolong his career and give a depth to his legacy that he would have never been able to accomplish in Philadelphia.

i feel this would be a grave mistake. two of allen iverson's greatest weapons (and the primary reasons i enjoy watching him play) are his speed and quickness. to put him at the 1, distributing the ball in a plodding half court offense would be the equivalent of tying one arm and one leg behind his back. it would be a waste.

Rollie_Fingaz said:
2. Iverson arrives at a time when the Nuggets will be without their two best scorers for ten games and he will prevent the club from suffering a substantial setback in the win-loss column.

says who? and the other thing to consider is that these players didn't have training camp or preseason games together. allen iverson hasn't absorbed the O yet, nor the D. even when carmelo anthony comes back, they'll need on court time together to develop a rapport.
 
cranrab said:
RF,

i know you didn't write this, but there's so much here to talk about.


That's why I posted it. :lol:

They are hoping that A.I. sacrifices enough of his game be compatible with Melo and still be effective. He is not on the downside of his career yet, but he has more wepons arouind him.

They can't expect that Alex English/Kiki Vandeweghe to happen here.

**EDIT- Here is an article from the Denver post.**

[FRAME]http://www.denverpost.com/nuggets/ci_4876625[/FRAME]
 
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Philly made out better than that writer thinks they did IMO

Two 1st rounds picks plus a pretty good PG. So Philly will have
3 first round picks next season. More than likely, their
own pick may be in the lottery. So, if they just happen to luck
out and grab Greg Oden, that may very well have changed the
focal point of their offense anyway and they would not need
Iverson as much. Much in the way Houston does not need Tracy
McGrady to score as much with Yao Ming on the team. Iverson's
leaving was only a matter of time. He has been there 10 years
with very little success in the past few years. The reasons do
not matter, it was time for a change

NEWSFLASH

Andre Miller can score. He can also distribute. He is
not that bad. Where his game is lacking is on
the defensive side of the ball. But with Iguodala in the same
backcourt, plus Dalembert on the frontline, they have
people capable of making up for Miller's defensive
liabilities. And in Kyle Korver, Miller finally has an outside
threat to kick it out to when he penetrates.

Andre Miller will not replace Iverson. But Philly has a couple of
pieces already in place that just need consistent touches
and they can do a pretty good job. Iguodala is not a 20ppg
scorer, but Webber is and Iggy can get you 15-18. Miller will get
in the 14 ppg range as well and Korver's stock should rise a little.
Wille Green will become a key 6th man for Miller like little Earl
Boykins was in Denver

The Sixers offense will be much more balanced now. Even Samuel
Dalembert will get touches now. That should help his overall game
and increase his minutes.

It might take some time, more time than a black GM is allowed,
but this trade will help Philly out in the long run. Especially if they
net the No. 1 pick next season
 
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RunawaySlave said:
Philly made out better than that writer thinks they did IMO

The problem is that the fans want the team to win NOW. Billy King has set the team up nicely for the future. Too bad his replacement will get the credit for it 5 years from now
 
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