Google takes on Microsoft/Apple (LMFAO)

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LMFAO = If you think Google had a hard time with Apple on patents and popularity.. wait till Microsoft dumps money to take on Google (yeah the current money tossed by MS is just chump change wait till they go full on war against google :lol:)



FYI: I only laugh cause it spits in the face of the android fanboy, outside of that I applaud Google for not siding with Microsoft. :bravo:

Google addresses Microsoft's 'patent attack' response, says it didn't fall for its offer



Apple may still be staying out of the fray, but it looks like we now have a full-on back and forth between Google and Microsoft, following the former company's blog post yesterday that alleged a "hostile, organized campaign" against Android on the part of Microsoft, Apple, Oracle and others. The latest word comes once again from Google's SVP and Chief Legal Officer, David Drummond, who has updated his original post with a response to what he calls Microsoft's "false gotcha." As you'll recall from late yesterday, Microsoft brought up the fact that it had offered Google the opportunity to bid jointly with it on the Novell patents, and that Google turned it down. According to Drummond, however, such a joint acquisition would have "eliminated any protection these patents could offer to Android against attacks from Microsoft and its bidding partners," and that it "didn't fall for it." He further goes on to note that the Justice Department's eventual intervention in the acquisition -- which required the winning group to provide a license to the open source community -- only backed up Google's case, and reaffirmed its original point that its "competitors are waging a patent war on Android and working together to keep us from getting patents that would help balance the scales." Still no response from Microsoft on that, but we'd recommend staying tuned.
 

Google slams Apple and Microsoft, claims 'hostile, organized campaign' against Android waged through 'bogus patents' (update: Microsoft responds!)



It, as they say, is on. Google's Senior Vice President and Chief Legal Officer, David Drummond, made an appearance on the company's official blog today with a post not-so-subtly-titled "When patents attack Android," which directly addresses what he calls a "hostile, organized campaign against Android by Microsoft, Oracle, Apple and other companies, waged through bogus patents." Drummond then goes on to cite a number of examples of this "organized campaign" from those trying to "strangle" Android, including Apple and Microsoft teaming up to buy Novell and Nortel's old patents "to make sure Google didn't get them," Microsoft seeking $15 licensing fees for each Android device, and lawsuits against the likes of Barnes & Noble, HTC, Motorola, and Samsung.

According to Drummond, those efforts amount to a "tax" that makes Android devices more expensive for consumers and manufacturers alike, and that "instead of competing by building new features or devices, they are fighting through litigation." He further goes on to bemoan the "anti-competitive strategy" that's "escalating the cost of patents way beyond what they're really worth," and closes things out by noting that he's encouraged by Justice Department investigations into the aforementioned Novell and Nortel patent issues. Hit the source link to read the full post yourself.

Update:
And now, shots have been fired from both sides. Brad Smith, Microsoft's General Counsel, has shot off the following tweet: "Google says we bought Novell patents to keep them from Google. Really? We asked them to bid jointly with us. They said no." We're guessing the truth lies somewhere in between, as it always does.

Update 2: Hoo boy! The hits just keep comin' out of Redmond. Frank Shaw, lead corporate communications for Microsoft has just tweeted an image of an email between Brad Smith and Kent Walker (Google's General Counsel) that appears to corroborate the claims that Microsoft wanted to team up with El Goog.




Official Google Blog
 
Should I have posted this in my "Says the Company without Patents" Thread?
 
Googles Official Stance











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When patents attack Android
8/03/2011 12:37:00 PM

I have worked in the tech sector for over two decades. Microsoft and Apple have always been at each other’s throats, so when they get into bed together you have to start wondering what's going on. Here is what’s happening:

Android is on fire. More than 550,000 Android devices are activated every day, through a network of 39 manufacturers and 231 carriers. Android and other platforms are competing hard against each other, and that’s yielding cool new devices and amazing mobile apps for consumers.

But Android’s success has yielded something else: a hostile, organized campaign against Android by Microsoft, Oracle, Apple and other companies, waged through bogus patents.

They’re doing this by banding together to acquire Novell’s old patents (the “CPTN” group including Microsoft and Apple) and Nortel’s old patents (the “Rockstar” group including Microsoft and Apple), to make sure Google didn’t get them; seeking $15 licensing fees for every Android device; attempting to make it more expensive for phone manufacturers to license Android (which we provide free of charge) than Windows Phone 7; and even suing Barnes & Noble, HTC, Motorola, and Samsung. Patents were meant to encourage innovation, but lately they are being used as a weapon to stop it.

A smartphone might involve as many as 250,000 (largely questionable) patent claims, and our competitors want to impose a “tax” for these dubious patents that makes Android devices more expensive for consumers. They want to make it harder for manufacturers to sell Android devices. Instead of competing by building new features or devices, they are fighting through litigation.

This anti-competitive strategy is also escalating the cost of patents way beyond what they’re really worth. The winning $4.5 billion for Nortel’s patent portfolio was nearly five times larger than the pre-auction estimate of $1 billion. Fortunately, the law frowns on the accumulation of dubious patents for anti-competitive means — which means these deals are likely to draw regulatory scrutiny, and this patent bubble will pop.

We’re not naive; technology is a tough and ever-changing industry and we work very hard to stay focused on our own business and make better products. But in this instance we thought it was important to speak out and make it clear that we’re determined to preserve Android as a competitive choice for consumers, by stopping those who are trying to strangle it.

We’re looking intensely at a number of ways to do that. We’re encouraged that the Department of Justice forced the group I mentioned earlier to license the former Novell patents on fair terms, and that it’s looking into whether Microsoft and Apple acquired the Nortel patents for anti-competitive means. We’re also looking at other ways to reduce the anti-competitive threats against Android by strengthening our own patent portfolio. Unless we act, consumers could face rising costs for Android devices — and fewer choices for their next phone.

UPDATE August 4, 2011 - 12:25pm PT

It's not surprising that Microsoft would want to divert attention by pushing a false "gotcha!" while failing to address the substance of the issues we raised. If you think about it, it's obvious why we turned down Microsoft’s offer. Microsoft's objective has been to keep from Google and Android device-makers any patents that might be used to defend against their attacks. A joint acquisition of the Novell patents that gave all parties a license would have eliminated any protection these patents could offer to Android against attacks from Microsoft and its bidding partners. Making sure that we would be unable to assert these patents to defend Android — and having us pay for the privilege — must have seemed like an ingenious strategy to them. We didn't fall for it.

Ultimately, the U.S. Department of Justice intervened, forcing Microsoft to sell the patents it bought and demanding that the winning group (Microsoft, Oracle, Apple, EMC) give a license to the open-source community, changes the DoJ said were “necessary to protect competition and innovation in the open source software community.” This only reaffirms our point: Our competitors are waging a patent war on Android and working together to keep us from getting patents that would help balance the scales.

Posted by David Drummond, Senior Vice President and Chief Legal Officer


























I bolded and underlined the the name of the Google VP that wrote this as most dummies attack the poster and not the writer








The more I read this.. :lol:


Apple and Microsoft are Biggie And Pac


Google is The Game :lol:


Stop crying and get organized like MS and Apple
 
Dude you really are starting to become another Devine... you post and reply to your own posts now? C'mon bro, enough, create a damn news section and keep this off the main pages, it's getting lame now days...
 
Dude you really are starting to become another Devine... you post and reply to your own posts now? C'mon bro, enough, create a damn news section and keep this off the main pages, it's getting lame now days...



:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

have you seen your posts/replies?

More emotions than a battered r&b singers sophomore album


I don't take offense to fanboy claims against me i take offense to fanboy claims from other fanboys
 
:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

have you seen your posts/replies?

More emotions than a battered r&b singers sophomore album

That's cause I call a bitch, A BITCH, when I see one... You don't see me creating posts, then replying, TO MY OWN POST that has no one else in it... That's a straight loser bro... Stop fucking spamming the board, there is this thing called the internet and search, we can find the shit on our own, you posting this stupid shit every fucking day is getting old... Your dumb ass must be related to Divine, to much stupid in you not to have the same genes...
 
That's cause I call a bitch, A BITCH, when I see one... You don't see me creating posts, then replying, TO MY OWN POST that has no one else in it... That's a straight loser bro... Stop fucking spamming the board, there is this thing called the internet and search, we can find the shit on our own, you posting this stupid shit every fucking day is getting old... Your dumb ass must be related to Divine, to much stupid in you not to have the same genes...

pun intended?
 


:smh:


There are a quite a few non apple technology threads posted by me.. that usually get no traction

what makes them all so interesting is people like you only show up for the apple ones.

Apple users aren't the ones making apple popular, its you haters. stop posting in them.. you'll do fine..

treat my apple threads the way i do trashman threads and you'll be less emotional

If you haven't realized it by now, the more you respond to threads you hate the more attention they get....


its like my old sony ps3 threads, i would post huge ps3 sales data and the sony haters would scream that its all shipped numbers.. same people clap and sing to android shipped numbers.. these are the people i deal with here..


check yourself before you wreck yourself.. a simple bgol search can expose most of yall double talk
 
:smh:


There are a quite a few non apple technology threads posted by me.. that usually get no traction

what makes them all so interesting is people like you only show up for the apple ones.

Apple users aren't the ones making apple popular, its you haters. stop posting in them.. you'll do fine..

treat my apple threads the way i do trashman threads and you'll be less emotional

If you haven't realized it by now, the more you respond to threads you hate the more attention they get....


its like my old sony ps3 threads, i would post huge ps3 sales data and the sony haters would scream that its all shipped numbers.. same people clap and sing to android shipped numbers.. these are the people i deal with here..


check yourself before you wreck yourself.. a simple bgol search can expose most of yall double talk

Half the time, I don't even know what the fuck your saying, but peep this moron, post what you want, but stop bumping your own shit every fucking chance you get, with even more stupid shit. I don't care if it's apple, google, ms, that your bitch fucked another man. Your spamming, just like Divine did and does. That's the issue. WTF is this "haters" shit, ain't no one "hating" on you, the fuck are you to "hate" on? And most people with lives, don't give a fuck about what phone you think is better, or tv, or game console. No fanboy is going to use android for his phone, ipod for his mp3 player, xbox for his game console, etc. etc... Maybe Divine can't live without dreaming of Stevo's balls in his face, I don't give a fuck about that. You used to be cool, posting some nice articles, and leaving it at that, now, your off the meds and posting shit after shit, within your own shit, just to spam...
 
mind you it doesn't take much to get you mad.. your first responses are all emotional its not like a topic starts a debate and gets heated...

you just start with a wall of text with no spacing


when you were younger you used to type hateful letters on your typewriter and mail them via through the post office to people didn't you?


Half the time, I don't even know what the fuck your saying, but peep this moron, post what you want, but stop bumping your own shit every fucking chance you get, with even more stupid shit. I don't care if it's apple, google, ms, that your bitch fucked another man. Your spamming, just like Divine did and does. That's the issue. WTF is this "haters" shit, ain't no one "hating" on you, the fuck are you to "hate" on? And most people with lives, don't give a fuck about what phone you think is better, or tv, or game console. No fanboy is going to use android for his phone, ipod for his mp3 player, xbox for his game console, etc. etc... Maybe Divine can't live without dreaming of Stevo's balls in his face, I don't give a fuck about that. You used to be cool, posting some nice articles, and leaving it at that, now, your off the meds and posting shit after shit, within your own shit, just to spam...




:lol::lol::lol::lol:


lets take a look

this thread
http://www.bgol.us/board/showthread.php?t=606936

i posted, divine replied, jd replied.. and the first hate post was by .... drum roll please...

you...


lets try another.. a positive android thread that says that android will overtake iOS.. you going to post good info and share with fellow tech folk or post hate?


survey says...




Yes they are, it's already been REPORTED on many times, look it up, they only talk about new phone activations, nothing else is added into those numbers. Not tablets, not a phone replacement you got cause something happened to your old phone, etc.. iOS includeds EVERYTHING, phones, ipods, ipads...

Flurry is an APPLE bought analytics company you STUPID FAT SHEDOG LOOKING BASTARD!! Of course they would post that.. Fuck I swear your dumber then the shit that comes out of my dog's ass... Why don't you just swallow some nails and go to far away land with your god STEVO, you chewed up bubble gum looking twat!!! Why can't a cop pull you over and just shoot your ass for looking like a sasquatch!!!



very informative..


apple is a bully post...

surely you have information to share, being the true smartphone user that you are unlike us simpletons

Just like your mom did when your fat chewed up ass was born, out of anger God would punish her so much with something as disgusting as you... I know she is, like all of us, waiting for the day you choke on an apple seed, and just die a slow, painful, death...



:eek::eek::eek::eek: your posts are just so full of knowledge.. sharing and debating technology with you is just.. sooooooooooo invigorating... its a breath of fresh air here on bgol...


ladies and gentlemen a true smartphone user from 2009

apple is still not numero uno in anything but mp3 devices sales, and that's how it will stay.. The iphone still lacks certain features that most "smartphones" have, and, to put insult into it all, the new version they will release, according to them, will make the current iphone user base goofy with envy, so basically, save up for the next version of the phone so you can continue to be "cool" and in the know.... Meantime I'll stay with my BB that does everything I want and then sum...
 
Google can't afford a war with both M$ and Apple.

the thing about google fans is ...


well...

name me a successful google product?


there is the google search/ad engine that's one or two

they bought youtube so they didn't make that themselves


google desktop was a bust
google buzz was a bust
google gmail is great but so was hotmail until MS bought it

i dont think android is trash but they keep coming out with so many new versions it, it makes consumers see the last google mobile os as trash/not working, hell i think most consumers probably think that there are more mobile os's than there actually are since every quarter there is a new os for google


can someone tell me what google makes that is so good besides google search and google gmail? that is not in beta? (yes android is a beta, ice cream sandwich is the end game right? so each one is a beta up to that point, yall beta testing)
 
On another note. Regardless if they don't have enough money to beat M$... Better than the lame defensive stance they've been taking.

:dunno:

Sent from a G2x
 
That lame defense is all they got. And Rightfully so Microsoft still ain't backing down. The latest tweets from Frank Shaw.

Hello again David Drummond. This is going to take a few tweets, so here we go. Lets look at what Google does not dispute in their reply. We offered Google the opportunity to bid with us to buy the Novell patents; they said no. Why? BECAUSE they wanted to buy something that they could use to assert against someone else. SO partnering with others & reducing patent liability across industry is not something they wanted to help do.

As I mentioned in the last thread. They are playing games hoping to get everyone distracted and broke buying other patents while they go after InterDigital's portfolio. They just didn't count on everyone pooling resources to share the pie.

It's easy to say you are being attacked when six companies worked together foiling your plan. Apple, EMC, Ericsson, Microsoft, RIM and Sony drunk your milkshake. Sucks for you Google.
 
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