Glenn Beck on Obama's Thuggery (Complete 01-25-10 Show)
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Re: Glenn Beck on Obama's Thuggery (Complete 01-25-10 Show)
Question? Do you watch his show for entertainment or do you watch to simply watch because his ideology is different from yours?
Has Beck been named in any slander suits? Holder can come in at any time and press charges. Having said that, would you rather live under Chavez whereas he could simply pull the plug on those who disagree with him?
Please defend, qualify or challenge his assertions.
Are you more inclined to believe global warming is real if Al Gore says that its real.
( Pssst even though we breathe CO2)
Question? Do you watch his show for entertainment or do you watch to simply watch because his ideology is different from yours?
Has Beck been named in any slander suits? Holder can come in at any time and press charges. Having said that, would you rather live under Chavez whereas he could simply pull the plug on those who disagree with him?
Please defend, qualify or challenge his assertions.
Are you more inclined to believe global warming is real if Al Gore says that its real.
( Pssst even though we breathe CO2)
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Re: Glenn Beck on Obama's Thuggery (Complete 01-25-10 Show)
You can’t be that ignorant. As publicly elected officials, politicians are exempt from suing for slander while in offices. It’s called the first amendment. Clinton was accused of murder, fathering ‘Black’ children out of wedlock and the recent Supreme Court ruling on the right wing nut so called documentary, Hillary the Movie is full of grandiose statements, none of which were true yet could not be taken to court. However appointed political figures can and have sued. The Valerie Plame case to mention a recent high profile case. In some ways I am amazed at the IQ of the viewing audience of Faux. And then again when the typical Faux Snooze viewer still thinks Saddam Hussein had something to do with the 911 attacks I understand the stupidity of that demographic.
You can’t be that ignorant. As publicly elected officials, politicians are exempt from suing for slander while in offices. It’s called the first amendment. Clinton was accused of murder, fathering ‘Black’ children out of wedlock and the recent Supreme Court ruling on the right wing nut so called documentary, Hillary the Movie is full of grandiose statements, none of which were true yet could not be taken to court. However appointed political figures can and have sued. The Valerie Plame case to mention a recent high profile case. In some ways I am amazed at the IQ of the viewing audience of Faux. And then again when the typical Faux Snooze viewer still thinks Saddam Hussein had something to do with the 911 attacks I understand the stupidity of that demographic.
Re: Glenn Beck on Obama's Thuggery (Complete 01-25-10 Show)
Actually, that statement is false.
Actually, that statement is false.
Re: Glenn Beck on Obama's Thuggery (Complete 01-25-10 Show)
Ok, technically you can sue, but as political speech is protected by the first amendment no matter how outrageous.
Ok, technically you can sue, but as political speech is protected by the first amendment no matter how outrageous.
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Re: Glenn Beck on Obama's Thuggery (Complete 01-25-10 Show)
There is a difference between Bush is a devil and Bush was photoghaphed with minor boys!!!
You don't lose your rights as an American citizen because you are a politician.
Mr. Baker produced a video that he felt was spurious in content. Let him refute the claims. It's easy to claim someone is racist or off their rocker if the statement doesn't line up with your line of "QueThought".
There is a difference between Bush is a devil and Bush was photoghaphed with minor boys!!!
You don't lose your rights as an American citizen because you are a politician.
Mr. Baker produced a video that he felt was spurious in content. Let him refute the claims. It's easy to claim someone is racist or off their rocker if the statement doesn't line up with your line of "QueThought".
Re: Glenn Beck on Obama's Thuggery (Complete 01-25-10 Show)
You sir, should read the rules of this board.
Of course, your comments on the various topics and subjects are welcome, however, personal attacks on the posters, are not.
QueEx
You sir, should read the rules of this board.
Of course, your comments on the various topics and subjects are welcome, however, personal attacks on the posters, are not.
QueEx
Re: Glenn Beck on Obama's Thuggery (Complete 01-25-10 Show)
You're half-right. One does not lose rights as an American when elected to office.
BUT, the rules for defamation of character (upon which slander and libel are based) are different for private citizens and public officials.
<u>Private Citizen</u>
A private citizen must prove that a statement was made to another; that the statement purports to be factual; and the statement was aimed at and did malign his/her character (to give that person a negative image).
<u>Public Official</u>
On the other hand, when the press makes statements about public officials or other persons in the public light, the offical has to show the same thing as a private citizen AND that the statement was made knowing it to be false or with reckless disregard to its truth (othewise called: actual malice). That is, the public official also has to show "Actual Malice." In other words, a public official does not state a claim for defamation merely because a statement made against him or his cast him in a negative light, he must ALSO show that media entity making the statement (1) knew the statement to be false; or (2) made the statement without even doing a cursory check to see if the statement was false (that is, with reckless disregard to its truth).
<u>The Problem Suing the Media</u>
The overwhelming majority of statements made by media entities tend to be misleading, half-truths, and other innuendo or "opinion". Some people listening to the statements - tend to accept them as truth -- especially if the statements tend to fit one's political bent. Hence, if you like Beck, you tend to accept Becks nonsense as likeable truth.
So, a Public Official would have a difficult time showing the various misleading and half-true media statements are outright false or made with disregard for the truth. In other words, it would in most cases NOT be worth the time, effort and expense of dealing with all of the media bullshit.
QueEx
You're half-right. One does not lose rights as an American when elected to office.
BUT, the rules for defamation of character (upon which slander and libel are based) are different for private citizens and public officials.
<u>Private Citizen</u>
A private citizen must prove that a statement was made to another; that the statement purports to be factual; and the statement was aimed at and did malign his/her character (to give that person a negative image).
Defenses:
- the statement is the truth (an absolute defense); and
- the person making the statement thought, in good faith, the statement to be true.
<u>Public Official</u>
On the other hand, when the press makes statements about public officials or other persons in the public light, the offical has to show the same thing as a private citizen AND that the statement was made knowing it to be false or with reckless disregard to its truth (othewise called: actual malice). That is, the public official also has to show "Actual Malice." In other words, a public official does not state a claim for defamation merely because a statement made against him or his cast him in a negative light, he must ALSO show that media entity making the statement (1) knew the statement to be false; or (2) made the statement without even doing a cursory check to see if the statement was false (that is, with reckless disregard to its truth).
Major Difference:
- Pulbic Official must prove the media statement to be false or made with reckless disregard to the truth.
<u>The Problem Suing the Media</u>
The overwhelming majority of statements made by media entities tend to be misleading, half-truths, and other innuendo or "opinion". Some people listening to the statements - tend to accept them as truth -- especially if the statements tend to fit one's political bent. Hence, if you like Beck, you tend to accept Becks nonsense as likeable truth.
So, a Public Official would have a difficult time showing the various misleading and half-true media statements are outright false or made with disregard for the truth. In other words, it would in most cases NOT be worth the time, effort and expense of dealing with all of the media bullshit.
QueEx
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Re: Glenn Beck on Obama's Thuggery (Complete 01-25-10 Show)
Duly noted. I must admit I was once a fan of Mr. Beck until he made up some story about what transpired when he met Barbara Walters and Whoopi on the train prior to him appearing on the view. Whoppi called him on it and he stuttered like Elmer Fudd. Good entertainment but do your research.
Duly noted. I must admit I was once a fan of Mr. Beck until he made up some story about what transpired when he met Barbara Walters and Whoopi on the train prior to him appearing on the view. Whoppi called him on it and he stuttered like Elmer Fudd. Good entertainment but do your research.
Re: Glenn Beck on Obama's Thuggery (Complete 01-25-10 Show)
Both sides are fully of hyperbole. When Glenn Beck opened up with the comment, 61% of people want THIS health plan to go, he doesn't continue to say that 61% of the people think THIS health plan doesn’t go far enough. I understand Faux Snooze and MSNBC play to their bases. It is up to individuals to seek the whole story. Unfortunately many believe what is spewed over the air unquestionably.
Both sides are fully of hyperbole. When Glenn Beck opened up with the comment, 61% of people want THIS health plan to go, he doesn't continue to say that 61% of the people think THIS health plan doesn’t go far enough. I understand Faux Snooze and MSNBC play to their bases. It is up to individuals to seek the whole story. Unfortunately many believe what is spewed over the air unquestionably.
Re: Glenn Beck on Obama's Thuggery (Complete 01-25-10 Show)
I said technically because like being enlisted in the military, you don’t give up your rights, however the standards are set at a different level. With all of the vitriol over the last 30 years of Presidential campaigning, even with the master of negative campaigning, Lee Atwater, has anyone won a successful slander case?
I said technically because like being enlisted in the military, you don’t give up your rights, however the standards are set at a different level. With all of the vitriol over the last 30 years of Presidential campaigning, even with the master of negative campaigning, Lee Atwater, has anyone won a successful slander case?
The Role of Social Justice in Religion (or "Mormons vs. Glenn Beck")
Mormons, other Christians decry Glenn Beck comments on social justice
SALT LAKE CITY — Fox News talk-show host Glenn Beck has outraged some Christians by asking them to leave their church if it preaches about "social justice" or "economic justice" — terms he believes could be code words for communism or Nazism.
At least one Christian minister is now calling for a boycott of Beck's TV and radio shows.
Beck said on his March 2 TV show: "I beg you, look for the words 'social justice' or 'economic justice' on your church Web site. If you find it, run as fast as you can. Social justice and economic justice, they are code words."
Beck also said: "Am I advising people to leave their church? Yes! If I am going to Jeremiah Wright's church (a reference to President Barack Obama's former Chicago pastor). If you have a priest that is pushing social justice, go find another parish. Go alert your bishop."
Beck is not the first to suggest the terms are being used as euphemisms. Others for years have argued that they are used by communists as substitutes for Marxism, socialism and collectivism, but many church leaders were angered by Beck's attack on them. Some Mormons also reacted strongly.
The Rev. Jim Wallis, who leads the Christian social justice group "Sojourners" in Washington, D.C., took strong offense to Beck's comments.
Wallis has begun a "Tell Glenn Beck: I'm a Social Justice Christian" campaign on his Web site, www.sojo.net.
"Glenn Beck recently told his listeners to leave any church that teaches social justice, and to report its pastor to church authorities," Wallis wrote. "Since Sojourners' mission is 'to articulate the biblical call to social justice,' we thought we'd better turn ourselves in. But before reporting to any church hierarchy, we're going to report ourselves to Glenn Beck."
He continued:
"Whether you're a church leader, a church member, or a church seeker, if you're a Christian who believes in the biblical call to social justice, we invite you join us … let him know that the biblical call to social justice is good news — not fodder for 'code word' scare tactics."
Wallis also stated on his blog: "What he has said attacks the very heart of our Christian faith and Christians should no longer watch his show."
He reported that more than 20,000 people have already responded to his Internet campaign and that at times, the site's server has been unable to handle the heavy traffic. Wallis said he would also like to debate Beck on this issue.
That church isn't alone. The Wantagh Memorial Congregational Church in New York has posted on its marquee: "Sorry Mr. Beck, Jesus Preached Social Justice."
Beck is a Mormon, but a church spokesman said Beck's comments are his own.
"Public figures who are members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints represent their own views and do not speak for the church," Scott Trotter said.
Phillip Barlow, the Arrington professor of Mormon history and culture at Utah State University, said Beck's comments have definitely stirred up passion.
"I'd have to let him speak for himself," Barlow said.
However, he stressed that it's possible to confuse a general principle with a specific strategy, and that the terms social justice and economic justice can be loaded phrases, as are "right to choose" or "right to life."
"A phrase like 'social justice' can be hijacked," Barlow said.
Barlow said he received a lot of responses after the New York Times quoted him Friday in a story on Beck's comments, both pro and con.
"One way to read the Book of Mormon," Barlow told the Times, "is that it's a vast tract on social justice. It's ubiquitous in the Book of Mormon to have the prophetic figures, much like in the Hebrew Bible, calling out those who are insensitive to injustices."
He said some comments he received do suggest that Beck is asking even LDS Church members to leave their faith.
The Times also interviewed Kent P. Jackson, associate dean of religion at BYU. "My own experience as a believing Latter-day Saint over the course of 60 years is that I have seen social justice in practice in every LDS congregation I've been in," Jackson said. "People endeavor with all of our frailties and shortcomings to love one another and to lift up other people. So if that's Beck's definition of social justice, he and I are definitely not on the same team."
LDS Church President Thomas S. Monson encouraged members during the church's last general conference to reach out and help others every day.
"We are the Lord's hands here upon the earth, with the mandate to serve and to lift his children," President Monson said. "He is dependent upon each of us."
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/...-comments-on-social-justice.html?s_cid=rss-44
Mormons, other Christians decry Glenn Beck comments on social justice
SALT LAKE CITY — Fox News talk-show host Glenn Beck has outraged some Christians by asking them to leave their church if it preaches about "social justice" or "economic justice" — terms he believes could be code words for communism or Nazism.
At least one Christian minister is now calling for a boycott of Beck's TV and radio shows.
Beck said on his March 2 TV show: "I beg you, look for the words 'social justice' or 'economic justice' on your church Web site. If you find it, run as fast as you can. Social justice and economic justice, they are code words."
Beck also said: "Am I advising people to leave their church? Yes! If I am going to Jeremiah Wright's church (a reference to President Barack Obama's former Chicago pastor). If you have a priest that is pushing social justice, go find another parish. Go alert your bishop."
Beck is not the first to suggest the terms are being used as euphemisms. Others for years have argued that they are used by communists as substitutes for Marxism, socialism and collectivism, but many church leaders were angered by Beck's attack on them. Some Mormons also reacted strongly.
The Rev. Jim Wallis, who leads the Christian social justice group "Sojourners" in Washington, D.C., took strong offense to Beck's comments.
Wallis has begun a "Tell Glenn Beck: I'm a Social Justice Christian" campaign on his Web site, www.sojo.net.
"Glenn Beck recently told his listeners to leave any church that teaches social justice, and to report its pastor to church authorities," Wallis wrote. "Since Sojourners' mission is 'to articulate the biblical call to social justice,' we thought we'd better turn ourselves in. But before reporting to any church hierarchy, we're going to report ourselves to Glenn Beck."
He continued:
"Whether you're a church leader, a church member, or a church seeker, if you're a Christian who believes in the biblical call to social justice, we invite you join us … let him know that the biblical call to social justice is good news — not fodder for 'code word' scare tactics."
Wallis also stated on his blog: "What he has said attacks the very heart of our Christian faith and Christians should no longer watch his show."
He reported that more than 20,000 people have already responded to his Internet campaign and that at times, the site's server has been unable to handle the heavy traffic. Wallis said he would also like to debate Beck on this issue.
That church isn't alone. The Wantagh Memorial Congregational Church in New York has posted on its marquee: "Sorry Mr. Beck, Jesus Preached Social Justice."
Beck is a Mormon, but a church spokesman said Beck's comments are his own.
"Public figures who are members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints represent their own views and do not speak for the church," Scott Trotter said.
Phillip Barlow, the Arrington professor of Mormon history and culture at Utah State University, said Beck's comments have definitely stirred up passion.
"I'd have to let him speak for himself," Barlow said.
However, he stressed that it's possible to confuse a general principle with a specific strategy, and that the terms social justice and economic justice can be loaded phrases, as are "right to choose" or "right to life."
"A phrase like 'social justice' can be hijacked," Barlow said.
Barlow said he received a lot of responses after the New York Times quoted him Friday in a story on Beck's comments, both pro and con.
"One way to read the Book of Mormon," Barlow told the Times, "is that it's a vast tract on social justice. It's ubiquitous in the Book of Mormon to have the prophetic figures, much like in the Hebrew Bible, calling out those who are insensitive to injustices."
He said some comments he received do suggest that Beck is asking even LDS Church members to leave their faith.
The Times also interviewed Kent P. Jackson, associate dean of religion at BYU. "My own experience as a believing Latter-day Saint over the course of 60 years is that I have seen social justice in practice in every LDS congregation I've been in," Jackson said. "People endeavor with all of our frailties and shortcomings to love one another and to lift up other people. So if that's Beck's definition of social justice, he and I are definitely not on the same team."
LDS Church President Thomas S. Monson encouraged members during the church's last general conference to reach out and help others every day.
"We are the Lord's hands here upon the earth, with the mandate to serve and to lift his children," President Monson said. "He is dependent upon each of us."
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/...-comments-on-social-justice.html?s_cid=rss-44
Re: The Role of Social Justice in Religion (or "Mormons vs. Glenn Beck")
Beck and Call: Looking for Social Justice in the Wrong Places
by Ken Briggs
Almost overnight, Glenn Beck has become Irritator in Chief. He sends legions of left-leaning Americans into fits of apoplexy with a deft turn of phrase. His laser-tongue attacks are typically vile but his method is impeccable. He knows how to rile.
His latest poison arrow was aimed at Christians who think social justice has something to do with the Gospels. It doesn't, he declares, instructing his followers to bolt any church that sponsors such causes.
Beck hates socialiam and believes social justice is its handmaiden. Anything smacking of it it is likely in his calculus to lead to the dreadnaught of Big Government.
I'm not convinced that he is seriously targeting churches, however. Churches are not real threats, he seems to say, mostly potential ones. After all, very few parishes would be found guilty of sticking their necks out for social change aimed at justice (notable, mostly isolated exceptions, of course). Their relative silence on health care is but the latest evidence.
Congregations do plenty of charity and volunteer work but only a tiny fraction engage in action to correct social, economic or political wrongs. That takes nothing away from the compassion expressed in feeding the hungry. The prevalence of those worthy efforts only places the paucity of justice activism in sharp relief.
Social justice may require no more energy than efforts to maintain a homeless shelter -- perhaps even less. But it does involve more testing by fire, standing up for divisive policies in public and, yes, embracing the Gospel's call to affirm the dignity of each human being.
We may differ as to what causes and purposes to into that mandate, but it's presence in Jesus' ministry and message is unmistakable.
The problem is that it's so often ignored or hidden under layers of institutional priorities and spiritual comforters. Beck's warning doesn't claim that there is widespread commitment by churches to social justice. He only sees the danger that it could crop up here and there. If it does, he counsels his flock, flee.
http://ncronline.org/blogs/ncr-today/beck-and-call-looking-social-justice-wrong-places
Beck and Call: Looking for Social Justice in the Wrong Places
by Ken Briggs
Almost overnight, Glenn Beck has become Irritator in Chief. He sends legions of left-leaning Americans into fits of apoplexy with a deft turn of phrase. His laser-tongue attacks are typically vile but his method is impeccable. He knows how to rile.
His latest poison arrow was aimed at Christians who think social justice has something to do with the Gospels. It doesn't, he declares, instructing his followers to bolt any church that sponsors such causes.
Beck hates socialiam and believes social justice is its handmaiden. Anything smacking of it it is likely in his calculus to lead to the dreadnaught of Big Government.
I'm not convinced that he is seriously targeting churches, however. Churches are not real threats, he seems to say, mostly potential ones. After all, very few parishes would be found guilty of sticking their necks out for social change aimed at justice (notable, mostly isolated exceptions, of course). Their relative silence on health care is but the latest evidence.
Congregations do plenty of charity and volunteer work but only a tiny fraction engage in action to correct social, economic or political wrongs. That takes nothing away from the compassion expressed in feeding the hungry. The prevalence of those worthy efforts only places the paucity of justice activism in sharp relief.
Social justice may require no more energy than efforts to maintain a homeless shelter -- perhaps even less. But it does involve more testing by fire, standing up for divisive policies in public and, yes, embracing the Gospel's call to affirm the dignity of each human being.
We may differ as to what causes and purposes to into that mandate, but it's presence in Jesus' ministry and message is unmistakable.
The problem is that it's so often ignored or hidden under layers of institutional priorities and spiritual comforters. Beck's warning doesn't claim that there is widespread commitment by churches to social justice. He only sees the danger that it could crop up here and there. If it does, he counsels his flock, flee.
http://ncronline.org/blogs/ncr-today/beck-and-call-looking-social-justice-wrong-places
Re: The Role of Social Justice in Religion (or "Mormons vs. Glenn Beck")
Glenn Beck advises leaving your church. What gives?
What is it about our lives today that this kind of distortion of simple truths about the church, and its commitment to "social justice," sells so well?
By Anthony B. Robinson
Holding a placard with the trademark hammer and sickle of Communism in one hand, and the swastika of Nazism in the other, Fox News commentator Glenn Beck last week told his listeners that churches that talk about “social justice” are really fronts for Communism and Nazis and they should flee them as fast as they are able.
“I beg you look for the words ‘social justice’ or ‘economic justice’ on your church’s website. If you find it run as fast as you can. Social justice and economic justice they are code words. Now, am I advising people to leave their church? Yes.”
Beck’s urging of disaffiliation cuts a broad swath in the ecclesiastical landscape, running from the Unitarians to the Catholic Church. In between he would catch mainline Protestants like the United Methodists, Presbyterian Church USA, and United Church of Christ, the Black Church tradition, as well as many Evangelical and Pentecostal congregations.
Responding to Beck, Evangelical leader Jim Wallis urged “Christians to leave Glenn Beck.”
Whether you look to the Scriptures of the Old or New Testaments or to historic teaching of popes and theologians, a concern for a just society is an unavoidable part of Christian faith and teaching. From the Old Testament prophet Micah, “What does the Lord require of you but to do justice, love kindness, and walk humbly before God,” to Jesus' preaching, “The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he anointed me to bring good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim release to the captives and recovery of sight to the blind, to let the oppressed go free, to proclaim the year of the Lord’s favor” — justice is part of the message.
Is social justice the whole message? No, it is but one part of Christianity though certainly an integral one.
Still, Beck’s flamboyant claim that religion fronting a political agenda is a turn-off found confirmation (though not the kind Beck has in mind) in a recent Pew Research study of “Religion Among the Millennials,” (ages 18 – 29). While the majority tends to be believers, this group is disaffiliating from churches. But according to Pew they are not leaving because churches care about social justice; pretty much the opposite. “Youth’s disaffection is largely due to discomfort with religiosity having been tied to conservative politics.” If there’s too much politics in religion, at least the millennials see that as more of a Religious Right issue.
On another recent occasion Beck went after the idea of “community.” Speaking to the Conservative Political Action Conference, Beck claimed that the Founders were against community. Listening to his weird rant, I found myself recalling the eloquent words of John Winthrop, Puritan leader and first governor of the Massachusetts Bay Colony, as he preached aboard ship before landing in the new world.
As the Arabella drew toward land, Winthrop warned that the only way to avoid a figurative shipwreck “and to provide for our posterity is to follow the Counsel of Micah, to do justly, to love kindness, to walk humbly with God, for this end, we must be knit together as one man, we must entertain each other in brotherly Affection, we must be willing to abridge ourselves of our superfluities, for the supply of others necessities . . . we must delight in each other, make others’ Conditions our own, rejoice together, mourn together, labor and suffer together, always having before our eyes our Commission and Community in the work . . .”
One would have to count Winthrop among the founders, I’d think.
So what does the popularity of a person who so distorts both religion and history, as seems to be Glenn Beck’s stock-in-trade, tell us? That this kind of things sells? But that begs the question. What does that tell us? That the long and ugly American tradition of anti-intellectualism and right-wing demagoguery is alive and well? That contemporary Americans are now so ill-informed about history and theology that they will buy this? Or does this suggest some new low-water mark in American culture?
I find it hard to say for sure what the Beck phenomenon tells us. Except possibly this, the anxiety level in America today is very high — orange alert for sure, maybe red. And anxiety, in such large and steady doses, makes us stupid.
Anthony B. Robinson is an author and teacher who is former senior pastor at Plymouth Congregational Church in Seattle. For the past several years, his column on religion and values appeared in the Seattle Post-Intelligencer.
http://crosscut.com/2010/03/12/religion/19663/
Glenn Beck advises leaving your church. What gives?
What is it about our lives today that this kind of distortion of simple truths about the church, and its commitment to "social justice," sells so well?
By Anthony B. Robinson
Holding a placard with the trademark hammer and sickle of Communism in one hand, and the swastika of Nazism in the other, Fox News commentator Glenn Beck last week told his listeners that churches that talk about “social justice” are really fronts for Communism and Nazis and they should flee them as fast as they are able.
“I beg you look for the words ‘social justice’ or ‘economic justice’ on your church’s website. If you find it run as fast as you can. Social justice and economic justice they are code words. Now, am I advising people to leave their church? Yes.”
Beck’s urging of disaffiliation cuts a broad swath in the ecclesiastical landscape, running from the Unitarians to the Catholic Church. In between he would catch mainline Protestants like the United Methodists, Presbyterian Church USA, and United Church of Christ, the Black Church tradition, as well as many Evangelical and Pentecostal congregations.
Responding to Beck, Evangelical leader Jim Wallis urged “Christians to leave Glenn Beck.”
Whether you look to the Scriptures of the Old or New Testaments or to historic teaching of popes and theologians, a concern for a just society is an unavoidable part of Christian faith and teaching. From the Old Testament prophet Micah, “What does the Lord require of you but to do justice, love kindness, and walk humbly before God,” to Jesus' preaching, “The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he anointed me to bring good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim release to the captives and recovery of sight to the blind, to let the oppressed go free, to proclaim the year of the Lord’s favor” — justice is part of the message.
Is social justice the whole message? No, it is but one part of Christianity though certainly an integral one.
Still, Beck’s flamboyant claim that religion fronting a political agenda is a turn-off found confirmation (though not the kind Beck has in mind) in a recent Pew Research study of “Religion Among the Millennials,” (ages 18 – 29). While the majority tends to be believers, this group is disaffiliating from churches. But according to Pew they are not leaving because churches care about social justice; pretty much the opposite. “Youth’s disaffection is largely due to discomfort with religiosity having been tied to conservative politics.” If there’s too much politics in religion, at least the millennials see that as more of a Religious Right issue.
On another recent occasion Beck went after the idea of “community.” Speaking to the Conservative Political Action Conference, Beck claimed that the Founders were against community. Listening to his weird rant, I found myself recalling the eloquent words of John Winthrop, Puritan leader and first governor of the Massachusetts Bay Colony, as he preached aboard ship before landing in the new world.
As the Arabella drew toward land, Winthrop warned that the only way to avoid a figurative shipwreck “and to provide for our posterity is to follow the Counsel of Micah, to do justly, to love kindness, to walk humbly with God, for this end, we must be knit together as one man, we must entertain each other in brotherly Affection, we must be willing to abridge ourselves of our superfluities, for the supply of others necessities . . . we must delight in each other, make others’ Conditions our own, rejoice together, mourn together, labor and suffer together, always having before our eyes our Commission and Community in the work . . .”
One would have to count Winthrop among the founders, I’d think.
So what does the popularity of a person who so distorts both religion and history, as seems to be Glenn Beck’s stock-in-trade, tell us? That this kind of things sells? But that begs the question. What does that tell us? That the long and ugly American tradition of anti-intellectualism and right-wing demagoguery is alive and well? That contemporary Americans are now so ill-informed about history and theology that they will buy this? Or does this suggest some new low-water mark in American culture?
I find it hard to say for sure what the Beck phenomenon tells us. Except possibly this, the anxiety level in America today is very high — orange alert for sure, maybe red. And anxiety, in such large and steady doses, makes us stupid.
Anthony B. Robinson is an author and teacher who is former senior pastor at Plymouth Congregational Church in Seattle. For the past several years, his column on religion and values appeared in the Seattle Post-Intelligencer.
http://crosscut.com/2010/03/12/religion/19663/
Re: The Role of Social Justice in Religion (or "Mormons vs. Glenn Beck")
Original statement:
I’m begging you, your right to religion and freedom to exercise religion and read all of the passages of the Bible as you want to read them and as your church wants to preach them . . . are going to come under the ropes in the next year. If it lasts that long it will be the next year. I beg you, look for the words ’social justice’ or ‘economic justice’ on your church Web site. If you find it, run as fast as you can. Social justice and economic justice, they are code words. Now, am I advising people to leave their church? Yes!
Audio here.
Glenn Beck's defense of himself and his remarks:
Original statement:
I’m begging you, your right to religion and freedom to exercise religion and read all of the passages of the Bible as you want to read them and as your church wants to preach them . . . are going to come under the ropes in the next year. If it lasts that long it will be the next year. I beg you, look for the words ’social justice’ or ‘economic justice’ on your church Web site. If you find it, run as fast as you can. Social justice and economic justice, they are code words. Now, am I advising people to leave their church? Yes!
Audio here.
Glenn Beck's defense of himself and his remarks:
Re: The Role of Social Justice in Religion (or "Mormons vs. Glenn Beck")
The nun and Glenn Beck: a standoff
by Joan Chittister
I got an invitation today. It wasn't to me. It was to Glenn Beck.
Let me give you a little background so you can understand how it happened.
There is a nun in the country this week, a Sister of the Good Shepherd, from Syria. Now, that may not seem much like international news to you but it is. And not only to me.
Infact, Sr. Marie Claude Naddaf is here to receive the U.S. State Department's "International Women of Courage Award." Given to 10 women around the globe who have shown "exceptional courage and leadership in advocating for women's rights and advancement," the awards purpose is to support women who are working for the equality of women everywhere. And any woman who has ever spoken up for women's equality in any arena that counts -- in politics, in business, in law, in the home, in the church -- know exactly how much courage that requires. Even now. Even here.
This woman has done it more than most. A Syrian citizen, a Christian in a Muslim country, Marie Claude entered her community at the age of 17. As a Sister of the Good Shepherd, a community founded almost 200 years ago to work for the reintegration into society of marginalized women, she has been struggling for the advancement of women for over 50 years now. That's longer than most people even knew there was a problem, let alone thought about trying to solve it.
Trained to be a social worker, she and her sisters are also trained to see the special needs of women and then do something about them. So, though she began her community's ministry in a center for adolescent girls -- teaching life skills, self-esteem and personal development -- she was also beginning to see the needs under their needs. She began to see that the self-esteem and personal development that her community tried to build up in women were being systematically destroyed, even in the home.
The domestic abuse of women made women domestic property everywhere. Not just in Syria, we know, but with a special twist there: In an 'honor culture,' the nerve of a woman to complain about the situation -- to be a bad wife--"dishonors" her family as much as the beatings dishonor her. This means there's no support for her from her family either. Marie Claude's work was cut out for her -- for anyone "with eyes to see and ears to hear," in fact. But few did.
So she opened the first shelters for beaten women in all of Syria and stood alone in that work for years. She began the first "Oasis Listening Center Hotline" to provide support for women in danger. She began programs in the shelter not simply to protect women physically but to provide psychological counseling, personal development courses, legal help and child care for them, as well.
She served one kind of woman and, at the same time, modeled another kind of woman for women everywhere.
Women staff and volunteers, both Christian and Muslim, flocked to the center to help. Everyone who came was served. No one was turned away for reason of race or religion or nationality.
Then, in 1996, she took a step that changed things again. This time for everyone.
She began, with the permission of the government, to visit women's prisons. She discovered there what few, if anyone, had ever bothered to notice before. Most of the women in prison for 'prostitution' or 'illegal entry' into the country were not prostitutes or border breakers at all. They were 'trafficked women.' They were women and girls who had been sold across national borders into the sex slave trade or seduced into it on the promise of a job or simply abducted into it off the streets as children.
The United Nations Population Fund estimates that every year anywhere from two to four million women or girls are sold across borders for the sake of commercial sex, abused laborers or servants. Of that number, 50,000 of them are brought to the United States where they are exploited, enslaved or physically violated. All of them without medical care or legal help.
Marie Claude won the right to have trafficked women in police custody released to a shelter rather than kept in prison. One month ago, thanks to the work of Marie Claude, Syria enacted its first law against the trafficking of human beings.
"What's the most difficult part of your work?" I asked her.
"The long time it takes for a woman to feel like a human being again, to be reconciled to her family," she said. "The time it takes for the family to take her in again," after dishonoring them.
"What makes you feel good about this work?" I asked.
"When a woman smiles, or begins to dress up, to take care of herself, to feel good about herself," she said. "When the woman says, 'Now I can do something in life.' "
And Marie Claude knows it happens, because she and her center follow the woman's progress for months -- just to make sure.
"Yes but ..." I asked finally. "Should you be doing these things as a nun, as a religious? A commentator here advised his television audience last week against 'social justice programs in the church.' "
I heard Marie Claude Naddaf, a Sister of the Good Shepherd, gasp on the other end of the phone. "Noooooooo," she squealed. "This is the work of God. The spiritual life gives us the energy we need to do justice. There is no contradiction! It's a circle!"
Then she said, "Invite this man to come and see me in Syria. I will show him." And one more thing. "Tell your government that it must do something to help the Iraqi refugees in Syria. They need resettlement programs and financial support for widows and children." Her meaning was clear: The United States started the war that put millions of people adrift "but Syria has borne the whole expense of it."
From where I stand, it's clear why the Glenn Becks of the world would not want to hear anything about 'social justice' from a church. Certainly not about women and war. Or about Sister Marie Claude either. Let's hope he takes the invitation.
http://ncronline.org/blogs/where-i-stand/nun-and-glenn-beck-standoff
The nun and Glenn Beck: a standoff
by Joan Chittister
I got an invitation today. It wasn't to me. It was to Glenn Beck.
Let me give you a little background so you can understand how it happened.
There is a nun in the country this week, a Sister of the Good Shepherd, from Syria. Now, that may not seem much like international news to you but it is. And not only to me.
Infact, Sr. Marie Claude Naddaf is here to receive the U.S. State Department's "International Women of Courage Award." Given to 10 women around the globe who have shown "exceptional courage and leadership in advocating for women's rights and advancement," the awards purpose is to support women who are working for the equality of women everywhere. And any woman who has ever spoken up for women's equality in any arena that counts -- in politics, in business, in law, in the home, in the church -- know exactly how much courage that requires. Even now. Even here.
This woman has done it more than most. A Syrian citizen, a Christian in a Muslim country, Marie Claude entered her community at the age of 17. As a Sister of the Good Shepherd, a community founded almost 200 years ago to work for the reintegration into society of marginalized women, she has been struggling for the advancement of women for over 50 years now. That's longer than most people even knew there was a problem, let alone thought about trying to solve it.
Trained to be a social worker, she and her sisters are also trained to see the special needs of women and then do something about them. So, though she began her community's ministry in a center for adolescent girls -- teaching life skills, self-esteem and personal development -- she was also beginning to see the needs under their needs. She began to see that the self-esteem and personal development that her community tried to build up in women were being systematically destroyed, even in the home.
The domestic abuse of women made women domestic property everywhere. Not just in Syria, we know, but with a special twist there: In an 'honor culture,' the nerve of a woman to complain about the situation -- to be a bad wife--"dishonors" her family as much as the beatings dishonor her. This means there's no support for her from her family either. Marie Claude's work was cut out for her -- for anyone "with eyes to see and ears to hear," in fact. But few did.
So she opened the first shelters for beaten women in all of Syria and stood alone in that work for years. She began the first "Oasis Listening Center Hotline" to provide support for women in danger. She began programs in the shelter not simply to protect women physically but to provide psychological counseling, personal development courses, legal help and child care for them, as well.
She served one kind of woman and, at the same time, modeled another kind of woman for women everywhere.
Women staff and volunteers, both Christian and Muslim, flocked to the center to help. Everyone who came was served. No one was turned away for reason of race or religion or nationality.
Then, in 1996, she took a step that changed things again. This time for everyone.
She began, with the permission of the government, to visit women's prisons. She discovered there what few, if anyone, had ever bothered to notice before. Most of the women in prison for 'prostitution' or 'illegal entry' into the country were not prostitutes or border breakers at all. They were 'trafficked women.' They were women and girls who had been sold across national borders into the sex slave trade or seduced into it on the promise of a job or simply abducted into it off the streets as children.
The United Nations Population Fund estimates that every year anywhere from two to four million women or girls are sold across borders for the sake of commercial sex, abused laborers or servants. Of that number, 50,000 of them are brought to the United States where they are exploited, enslaved or physically violated. All of them without medical care or legal help.
Marie Claude won the right to have trafficked women in police custody released to a shelter rather than kept in prison. One month ago, thanks to the work of Marie Claude, Syria enacted its first law against the trafficking of human beings.
"What's the most difficult part of your work?" I asked her.
"The long time it takes for a woman to feel like a human being again, to be reconciled to her family," she said. "The time it takes for the family to take her in again," after dishonoring them.
"What makes you feel good about this work?" I asked.
"When a woman smiles, or begins to dress up, to take care of herself, to feel good about herself," she said. "When the woman says, 'Now I can do something in life.' "
And Marie Claude knows it happens, because she and her center follow the woman's progress for months -- just to make sure.
"Yes but ..." I asked finally. "Should you be doing these things as a nun, as a religious? A commentator here advised his television audience last week against 'social justice programs in the church.' "
"I beg you," he said, "look for the words 'social justice' or 'economic justice' on your church Web site. If you find it, run as fast as you can. Social justice and economic justice, they are code words (for socialism.) Now, am I advising people to leave their church? Yes!"
I heard Marie Claude Naddaf, a Sister of the Good Shepherd, gasp on the other end of the phone. "Noooooooo," she squealed. "This is the work of God. The spiritual life gives us the energy we need to do justice. There is no contradiction! It's a circle!"
Then she said, "Invite this man to come and see me in Syria. I will show him." And one more thing. "Tell your government that it must do something to help the Iraqi refugees in Syria. They need resettlement programs and financial support for widows and children." Her meaning was clear: The United States started the war that put millions of people adrift "but Syria has borne the whole expense of it."
From where I stand, it's clear why the Glenn Becks of the world would not want to hear anything about 'social justice' from a church. Certainly not about women and war. Or about Sister Marie Claude either. Let's hope he takes the invitation.
http://ncronline.org/blogs/where-i-stand/nun-and-glenn-beck-standoff
Re: The Role of Social Justice in Religion (or "Mormons vs. Glenn Beck")
This article by Media Matters elaborates on the identities of these "social justice proponents" or, as Beck would call them, the enemy.
Glenn Beck has repeatedly attacked the concept of social justice and churches that promote it, asserting that it is "code language for Marxism" and warning that "when you see those words, run." In fact, numerous churches and religious faiths, as well as prominent religious scholars, espouse social justice, including the Catholic Church, the Conservative and Reform movements of Judaism, and the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr.
The Catechism of the Catholic Church deals specifically with "Social Justice." From the Catechism: "Society ensures social justice by providing the conditions that allow associations and individuals to obtain their due, according to their nature and their vocation. Social justice is linked to the common good and the exercise of authority."
Conservative and Reform Jews promote social justice. The United Synagogue of Conservative Judaism has a section of its website devoted to "Social Justice," detailing positions on topics such as "Judaism and Health Care Reform" and "Jewish Community Budget Priorities." ("We have long been involved with the annual budget process, advocating for policies and programs that assist the most vulnerable people in our nation.") And the Union for Reform Judaism's Commission on Social Action "seeks to apply the insights of Jewish tradition to such domestic and foreign issues as human rights, world peace, civil liberties, religious freedom, famine, poverty, intergroup relations, as well as other major societal concerns"; its website cites a statement by Rabbi David Saperstein, director of the Religious Action Center of Reform Judaism, that "the thread of social justice is so authentically and intricately woven into the many-colored fabric we call Judaism that if you seek to pull that thread out, the entire fabric unravels."
National Association of Evangelicals promotes call to "work toward social justice." In presenting its Charitable Choice 2000 program, the National Association of Evangelicals, a coalition of more than 30 denominations dedicated to "serving the evangelical community through united action, cooperative ministry and strategic planning," wrote:
Government funding can significantly expand the number and scope of faith-based agencies available to work with poor and broken people. As the Church answers the biblical call to care for the poor, seek racial reconciliation, and work toward social justice, it should exercise caution in stepping through the doors of opportunity opened by Charitable Choice. Government funding is not appropriate in every situation, and a religious organization should always be vigilant and refrain from accepting public funds and concomitant government regulations if the aid should compromise its beliefs or undermine its effectiveness and integrity.
Church of Latter Day Saints says social justice integral to Mormonism. A March 11 blog post on the New York Times blog, The Caucus, quoted two Mormon scholars explaining the importance of social justice in Mormonism:
Mr. Beck himself is a convert to Mormonism, a faith that identifies itself as part of the Christian family, but which is nevertheless rejected by many Christians. Two Mormon scholars said in interviews that social justice is integral to Mormon teaching too.
Kent P. Jackson, associate dean of religion at Brigham Young University, said in an interview: "My own experience as a believing Latter-day Saint over the course of 60 years is that I have seen social justice in practice in every L.D.S. congregation I've been in. People endeavor with all of our frailties and shortcomings to love one another and to lift up other people. So if that's Beck's definition of social justice, he and I are definitely not on the same team."
Philip Barlow, the Arrington Professor of Mormon History and Culture at Utah State University, said: "One way to read the Book of Mormon is that it's a vast tract on social justice. It's ubiquitous in the Book of Mormon to have the prophetic figures, much like in the Hebrew Bible, calling out those who are insensitive to injustices.
"A lot of Latter-day Saints would think that Beck was asking them to leave their own church."
Mr. Barlow said that Mr. Beck's comments were particularly ill-timed because just this year, the church's highest authority, the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles, issued a new "Handbook of Instructions" to church leaders in which they revised the church's "three-fold mission" and added a fourth mission statement: care for the poor.
Martin Luther King, Jr. "devoted his life to advancing equality, social justice, and opportunity for all." In a December 18, 1963, speech on the topic of social justice, King stated: "I think with all of these challenges being met and with all of the work, and determination going on, we will be able to go this additional distance and achieve the ideal, the goal of the new age, the age of social justice." He also said: "It is tragic how individuals will often use religion and the Bible or misuse religion and the Bible to crystallize a status quo and justify their prejudices." The U.S. government website about the federal Martin Luther King Jr. Day of Service states that King "devoted his life to advancing equality, social justice, and opportunity for all."
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Beck: Question church leaders who are "basing their religion on social justice." On his radio show, Beck read an article on the Christian Post website reporting that "[a]nti-poverty Christian groups are up in arms after popular political commentator Glenn Beck urged Christians to leave their church if they talk about social justice." Beck asserted, "No, no, no. Didn't say that. I said if they are basing their religion on social justice -- if they -- social justice and economic justice are code words. Look for those code words, and then ask your church, 'What do you mean by that? What is that?' Because they're code words. And don't be sucked into that." Burguiere replied, "And you clarified that two minutes after that statement, by the way." Beck later referenced criticism of his remarks by Rev. Jim Walls, founder of the group Sojourners. Co-host Pat Gray said of Wallis, "He's a leftist. He is a operative for the Democratic Party. He is an apologist for communist atrocities in Cambodia and Vietnam. He's a dedicated foe of capitalism." [Premiere Radio Networks' The Glenn Beck Program, 3/11/10]
Beck: Social justice "is a perversion of the Gospel," "not what Jesus was saying." On his radio show, Beck addressed a caller who said his daughter was taking classes for confirmation in the Catholic Church that were "becoming more and more about social justice." Beck stated: "I want you to know that even some members in my faith, where I go to church -- there are members that preach social justice as members. My faith doesn't, but the church -- the members preach social justice all the time. It is a perversion of the Gospel. Nowhere does Jesus say, 'Hey, if somebody asks for your shirt, give your coat to the government and have the government give them a pair of slacks.' That's not what -- that's not what Jesus was saying." [The Glenn Beck Program, 3/11/10]
Beck and crew warn that progressives are trying to "hijack churches" with "social justice." On his radio show, Beck stated, "Economic and social justice, it is a code word." He later added: "When it comes to social and economic justice, people will say that.'I, you know, I want social justice, I want economic justice.' It has been mainstreamed. So, it's one thing if somebody says, 'Hey,we're going to get social justice,' or 'This is going to be economic justice,' or whatever, that's fine. But if you're talking about -- if it is a doctrine in your church. Or, if you are -- if you go to your church's website -- and I've seen several of these. You go to your church's website and click on the thing: 'Help Haiti.' Now, most churches will go and say, 'Yeah, I want to help Haiti,' so they'll put it up. But they don't know that if they click, you know, three clicks into it, you're now at, like, the Center for American Progress. You know what I mean?" He later stated that progressives are trying to "hijack churches." [The Glenn Beck Program, 3/2/10]
Beck warns of "Marxist code words" like "social justice" in "infiltrated" churches. On his radio show, Beck warned his listeners to "watch the messages in your own church. Because if you see the words 'social justice,' you're in trouble." He continued:
BECK: If you see the words -- what is -- social justice, and what was the other one? Economic justice. You see these -- these are code words. These are the Marxist code words for the new global order. You see those words, if you see things that are now being preached about from the pulpit in many churches, about health care. Warning. Warning. Many churches have been infiltrated with this line of thinking that is absolutely against the freedoms that our Founding Fathers designed. And you can find them, you can find them. And they're not hard to find. Look for them and wake your fellow parishioners and your fellow congregants up to what is going on, because there are hidden messages that are there. And they're not hidden. I mean, it's not a conspiracy. It's all out in the open. [The Glenn Beck Program, 12/15/09]
Beck: Creamer book to blame for pastors, priests, and rabbis preaching "social justice." On Fox News, Beck linked the bookListen to Your Mother: Stand Up Straight!: How Progressives Can Win by Robert Creamer to religious groups and places of worship that preach "social justice." He stated, "You ask yourself this one question: In the last six months, have you heard this message come from your pastor, priest, or rabbi? Anything about social justice? Anything about health care?" He added: "I have been looking at church websites. I cannot believe what I am seeing. There's -- several of these websites you can go three clicks from your churchwebsite and you are at HCAN." [Fox News' Glenn Beck, 12/7/09]
Beck's advice for when you see the words "social justice": "Run, and don't listen to anyone who is telling you differently." On his radio show, Beck stated:
BECK: [T]here are big forces within the faith of different churches that have joined hands with truly Marxist groups, and it's all under social justice. And this is why social justice started. It started in groups in Latin America that they knew they couldn't get into the government because the government -- what was really regulating people there was the church. And so the churches were so powerful, they knew they had to weasel their way in there and tie it to God.
It's the same thing that progressives did in the early 20th century. They used God and the churches, and then they broke it apart. That's what's happening. And I'm going to share some evidence next week on different faiths that, known or unknown to many people in the faith, they are part of the social justice movement. And it is Marxist, and it is extraordinarily dangerous. These people have been laying eggs, and they have hatched a long time ago. They are in many, many organizations. You are doing exactly the right thing. You cannot take anything on its face value anymore. You've got to look at the layers and know what you're looking for.
Whenever you see some thing that talks about a strong democratic movement or strengthening democracy, you're in trouble. If you see anything that talks about social or economic justice, you're in trouble. Those two things are the language of people like Hugo Chavez. We are a republic, not a democracy.
[...]
BECK: When you say, you know, I see "social justice" -- when you see those words, run. Because social justice is what Jeremiah Wright preaches. Run, and don't listen to anyone who is telling you differently. Look at the roots of social justice. See what radicals put it together. [The Glenn Beck Program, 10/8/09]
Beck: Nazis and communists both backed "social justice." On his Fox News program, Beck stated that both communists and Nazis promoted social justice. From the March 3 edition of Glenn Beck:
BECK: Both the communists, who are on the left -- they say -- you know, these are communists. And the Nazis are on the right. That's what people say. But they both subscribed to one philosophy, and they flew one banner. One had the hammer and sickle; the other was a swastika. But on each banner read the words, here in America, of this -- "social justice." They talked about economic justice, rights of the workers, redistribution of wealth, and surprisingly -- I love this -- democracy. [Glenn Beck, 3/3/10]
Beck: "What I would call socialist or communist, they'll call just social justice or progressive." On his Fox News show, Beck stated, "Progressives don't speak the same kind of language that you and I do. Economic justice -- that's Marxism. It's taking from the haves and giving to the have-nots." He continued:
BECK: Social justice -- what is that? Well, let me quote Mark Lloyd, the guy I introduced to you again to last night. "Someone needs to step down so someone else can have a turn."
And, transforming America -- I would say that that means collapsing the system as we know it and rebooting it as a progressive utopia.
None of the language is the same, and that's why people get lost. What I would call socialist or communist, they'll call justsocial justice or progressive. [Glenn Beck, 1/5/10]
Beck: "Social justice is taking money from one group and giving it to another." On Fox News, Beck stated:
BECK: This is Barack Obama in 2001 -- 2001, look at what he said, he talked about social justice. Social justice is taking money from one group and giving it to another. He talked about economic justice, the same thing. He talked about the political and community organizing, and the events in the organizing on the ground that cobble together the coalitions of power that lead to redistributive change.
[...]
BECK: He believes when you spread the wealth around, it's good for everybody. That's Marxism. ... Spreading the wealth around. Well, that's not a capitalist idea. [Glenn Beck, 10/5/09]
Beck declares that phrases "lives in the real world," is "compassionate," and "understands social justice" are really "code language for Marxism." While discussing President Obama's remarks about what traits he would look for in a Supreme Court justice, Beck stated on his radio show:
BECK: They're now talking about making sure that they can correct -- progressive phrase -- "social justice." That does not come from the bench.
[...]
BECK: Barack Obama comes out and says he wants somebody who lives in the real world, somebody who is compassionate, and somebody that is -- that understands social justice. That's code language for Marxism. It's called, to quote Hillary Clinton, that very American, early 20th century progressivism, where they did a loophole and a couple of somersaults to deny that they were progressives, to show the difference was enlightenment. Progressive is enlightened. Marxism is at the barrel of a gun. That's the difference to these guys. Really? Yeah, you're telling me that you're not doing things through the barrel of a gun? You're gonna have to. They're going to have to. You don't need enlightenment. Justice is blind. [The Glenn Beck Program, 5/4/09]
Beck: Social justice in which "you empower yourself to go out and help the poor" is permissible. On his March 12 radio show, Beck reacted to criticism by the Sojourners' Wallis:
BECK: So now, Jim Wallis comes out, and he has started to attack me personally because I have said on this program, "social justice" is code language -- code language -- for big government. I want you to understand. When it comes to your church, if your church is preaching social and economic justice, you better do some digging and find out exactly what that means. Because if that means big government, if that means yes, you need to support these big government programs, you don't have a church. What you have is an organ of the government. You have the Anglican Church over in England, which we left. You have the Church of England.
Separation of church and state. It's weird that I have to argue with someone like Jim Wallis the separation of church and state. Now, if your church is talking about social justice in the way that you empower yourself to go out and help the poor, well then that's exactly what Jesus or Allah or Buddha or whoever it is, would like you to do.
GRAY: Yeah, they're trying to make this an anti-poor thing. They're trying to make this that you're against the poor?
BECK: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
GRAY: I mean that's just ridiculous.
BECK: And so now, they're ramping up a boycott on Christians to boycott our show. Oh, really? Look out, here it comes again, gang. The smear. [The Glenn Beck Program, 3/12/10]
Beck: "There's a lot of people that will say 'social justice,' and some people don't mean Marxism, but others do." Also, on his March 12 radio show, Beck stated:
BECK: The other thing they do is they always change and confuse the language. Political correctness comes from the progressive movement. Change and confuse the language. Look at this case. Social justice. There's a lot of people that -- who say "social justice" and some people don't mean Marxism. But others do, and you need to know, which is it?
The people who brought us, you know, the language into the political religious sphere were looking for ways to bring progressivism into the church. It continues today. Where's black liberation theology come from? Black liberation theology -- Jeremiah Wright's theology -- comes from South America. The church had the power down there. The church was all-important. What the church said, people listened to. It wasn't the government, because the government was always corrupt. People had faith in the church, and they knew they could never have a communist revolution if it wasn't for the church. If the church wasn't into it, so what did they do? They came up with black liberation theology. It's Marxism. And they got it -- spooned it in -- to the Christians, piece by piece. Just little bit -- progress. Little by little spoon feed it to people until the church would decay and collapse on itself.
Why do people in Europe not go to church? Because it's one with the government. It always has been. You must protect your church and make sure that it is not an organ for the government. That doesn't mean that you don't fight and protest, and you know, your church when it comes to a moral issue like abortion, that you don't stand up and fight for it. But you don't become one with the government. Separation of church and state. Progressives have been waiting for this moment for a hundred years. [The Glenn Beck Program, 3/12/10]
http://mediamatters.org/research/201003120055
This article by Media Matters elaborates on the identities of these "social justice proponents" or, as Beck would call them, the enemy.
Enemies-- a.k.a. Social Justice supporters
Glenn Beck has repeatedly attacked the concept of social justice and churches that promote it, asserting that it is "code language for Marxism" and warning that "when you see those words, run." In fact, numerous churches and religious faiths, as well as prominent religious scholars, espouse social justice, including the Catholic Church, the Conservative and Reform movements of Judaism, and the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr.
The Catechism of the Catholic Church deals specifically with "Social Justice." From the Catechism: "Society ensures social justice by providing the conditions that allow associations and individuals to obtain their due, according to their nature and their vocation. Social justice is linked to the common good and the exercise of authority."
Conservative and Reform Jews promote social justice. The United Synagogue of Conservative Judaism has a section of its website devoted to "Social Justice," detailing positions on topics such as "Judaism and Health Care Reform" and "Jewish Community Budget Priorities." ("We have long been involved with the annual budget process, advocating for policies and programs that assist the most vulnerable people in our nation.") And the Union for Reform Judaism's Commission on Social Action "seeks to apply the insights of Jewish tradition to such domestic and foreign issues as human rights, world peace, civil liberties, religious freedom, famine, poverty, intergroup relations, as well as other major societal concerns"; its website cites a statement by Rabbi David Saperstein, director of the Religious Action Center of Reform Judaism, that "the thread of social justice is so authentically and intricately woven into the many-colored fabric we call Judaism that if you seek to pull that thread out, the entire fabric unravels."
National Association of Evangelicals promotes call to "work toward social justice." In presenting its Charitable Choice 2000 program, the National Association of Evangelicals, a coalition of more than 30 denominations dedicated to "serving the evangelical community through united action, cooperative ministry and strategic planning," wrote:
Government funding can significantly expand the number and scope of faith-based agencies available to work with poor and broken people. As the Church answers the biblical call to care for the poor, seek racial reconciliation, and work toward social justice, it should exercise caution in stepping through the doors of opportunity opened by Charitable Choice. Government funding is not appropriate in every situation, and a religious organization should always be vigilant and refrain from accepting public funds and concomitant government regulations if the aid should compromise its beliefs or undermine its effectiveness and integrity.
Church of Latter Day Saints says social justice integral to Mormonism. A March 11 blog post on the New York Times blog, The Caucus, quoted two Mormon scholars explaining the importance of social justice in Mormonism:
Mr. Beck himself is a convert to Mormonism, a faith that identifies itself as part of the Christian family, but which is nevertheless rejected by many Christians. Two Mormon scholars said in interviews that social justice is integral to Mormon teaching too.
Kent P. Jackson, associate dean of religion at Brigham Young University, said in an interview: "My own experience as a believing Latter-day Saint over the course of 60 years is that I have seen social justice in practice in every L.D.S. congregation I've been in. People endeavor with all of our frailties and shortcomings to love one another and to lift up other people. So if that's Beck's definition of social justice, he and I are definitely not on the same team."
Philip Barlow, the Arrington Professor of Mormon History and Culture at Utah State University, said: "One way to read the Book of Mormon is that it's a vast tract on social justice. It's ubiquitous in the Book of Mormon to have the prophetic figures, much like in the Hebrew Bible, calling out those who are insensitive to injustices.
"A lot of Latter-day Saints would think that Beck was asking them to leave their own church."
Mr. Barlow said that Mr. Beck's comments were particularly ill-timed because just this year, the church's highest authority, the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles, issued a new "Handbook of Instructions" to church leaders in which they revised the church's "three-fold mission" and added a fourth mission statement: care for the poor.
Martin Luther King, Jr. "devoted his life to advancing equality, social justice, and opportunity for all." In a December 18, 1963, speech on the topic of social justice, King stated: "I think with all of these challenges being met and with all of the work, and determination going on, we will be able to go this additional distance and achieve the ideal, the goal of the new age, the age of social justice." He also said: "It is tragic how individuals will often use religion and the Bible or misuse religion and the Bible to crystallize a status quo and justify their prejudices." The U.S. government website about the federal Martin Luther King Jr. Day of Service states that King "devoted his life to advancing equality, social justice, and opportunity for all."
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Beck on social justice
Beck: Question church leaders who are "basing their religion on social justice." On his radio show, Beck read an article on the Christian Post website reporting that "[a]nti-poverty Christian groups are up in arms after popular political commentator Glenn Beck urged Christians to leave their church if they talk about social justice." Beck asserted, "No, no, no. Didn't say that. I said if they are basing their religion on social justice -- if they -- social justice and economic justice are code words. Look for those code words, and then ask your church, 'What do you mean by that? What is that?' Because they're code words. And don't be sucked into that." Burguiere replied, "And you clarified that two minutes after that statement, by the way." Beck later referenced criticism of his remarks by Rev. Jim Walls, founder of the group Sojourners. Co-host Pat Gray said of Wallis, "He's a leftist. He is a operative for the Democratic Party. He is an apologist for communist atrocities in Cambodia and Vietnam. He's a dedicated foe of capitalism." [Premiere Radio Networks' The Glenn Beck Program, 3/11/10]
Beck: Social justice "is a perversion of the Gospel," "not what Jesus was saying." On his radio show, Beck addressed a caller who said his daughter was taking classes for confirmation in the Catholic Church that were "becoming more and more about social justice." Beck stated: "I want you to know that even some members in my faith, where I go to church -- there are members that preach social justice as members. My faith doesn't, but the church -- the members preach social justice all the time. It is a perversion of the Gospel. Nowhere does Jesus say, 'Hey, if somebody asks for your shirt, give your coat to the government and have the government give them a pair of slacks.' That's not what -- that's not what Jesus was saying." [The Glenn Beck Program, 3/11/10]
Beck and crew warn that progressives are trying to "hijack churches" with "social justice." On his radio show, Beck stated, "Economic and social justice, it is a code word." He later added: "When it comes to social and economic justice, people will say that.'I, you know, I want social justice, I want economic justice.' It has been mainstreamed. So, it's one thing if somebody says, 'Hey,we're going to get social justice,' or 'This is going to be economic justice,' or whatever, that's fine. But if you're talking about -- if it is a doctrine in your church. Or, if you are -- if you go to your church's website -- and I've seen several of these. You go to your church's website and click on the thing: 'Help Haiti.' Now, most churches will go and say, 'Yeah, I want to help Haiti,' so they'll put it up. But they don't know that if they click, you know, three clicks into it, you're now at, like, the Center for American Progress. You know what I mean?" He later stated that progressives are trying to "hijack churches." [The Glenn Beck Program, 3/2/10]
Beck warns of "Marxist code words" like "social justice" in "infiltrated" churches. On his radio show, Beck warned his listeners to "watch the messages in your own church. Because if you see the words 'social justice,' you're in trouble." He continued:
BECK: If you see the words -- what is -- social justice, and what was the other one? Economic justice. You see these -- these are code words. These are the Marxist code words for the new global order. You see those words, if you see things that are now being preached about from the pulpit in many churches, about health care. Warning. Warning. Many churches have been infiltrated with this line of thinking that is absolutely against the freedoms that our Founding Fathers designed. And you can find them, you can find them. And they're not hard to find. Look for them and wake your fellow parishioners and your fellow congregants up to what is going on, because there are hidden messages that are there. And they're not hidden. I mean, it's not a conspiracy. It's all out in the open. [The Glenn Beck Program, 12/15/09]
Beck: Creamer book to blame for pastors, priests, and rabbis preaching "social justice." On Fox News, Beck linked the bookListen to Your Mother: Stand Up Straight!: How Progressives Can Win by Robert Creamer to religious groups and places of worship that preach "social justice." He stated, "You ask yourself this one question: In the last six months, have you heard this message come from your pastor, priest, or rabbi? Anything about social justice? Anything about health care?" He added: "I have been looking at church websites. I cannot believe what I am seeing. There's -- several of these websites you can go three clicks from your churchwebsite and you are at HCAN." [Fox News' Glenn Beck, 12/7/09]
Beck's advice for when you see the words "social justice": "Run, and don't listen to anyone who is telling you differently." On his radio show, Beck stated:
BECK: [T]here are big forces within the faith of different churches that have joined hands with truly Marxist groups, and it's all under social justice. And this is why social justice started. It started in groups in Latin America that they knew they couldn't get into the government because the government -- what was really regulating people there was the church. And so the churches were so powerful, they knew they had to weasel their way in there and tie it to God.
It's the same thing that progressives did in the early 20th century. They used God and the churches, and then they broke it apart. That's what's happening. And I'm going to share some evidence next week on different faiths that, known or unknown to many people in the faith, they are part of the social justice movement. And it is Marxist, and it is extraordinarily dangerous. These people have been laying eggs, and they have hatched a long time ago. They are in many, many organizations. You are doing exactly the right thing. You cannot take anything on its face value anymore. You've got to look at the layers and know what you're looking for.
Whenever you see some thing that talks about a strong democratic movement or strengthening democracy, you're in trouble. If you see anything that talks about social or economic justice, you're in trouble. Those two things are the language of people like Hugo Chavez. We are a republic, not a democracy.
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BECK: When you say, you know, I see "social justice" -- when you see those words, run. Because social justice is what Jeremiah Wright preaches. Run, and don't listen to anyone who is telling you differently. Look at the roots of social justice. See what radicals put it together. [The Glenn Beck Program, 10/8/09]
Beck links social justice to Nazis, communists, socialists
Beck: Nazis and communists both backed "social justice." On his Fox News program, Beck stated that both communists and Nazis promoted social justice. From the March 3 edition of Glenn Beck:
BECK: Both the communists, who are on the left -- they say -- you know, these are communists. And the Nazis are on the right. That's what people say. But they both subscribed to one philosophy, and they flew one banner. One had the hammer and sickle; the other was a swastika. But on each banner read the words, here in America, of this -- "social justice." They talked about economic justice, rights of the workers, redistribution of wealth, and surprisingly -- I love this -- democracy. [Glenn Beck, 3/3/10]
Beck: "What I would call socialist or communist, they'll call just social justice or progressive." On his Fox News show, Beck stated, "Progressives don't speak the same kind of language that you and I do. Economic justice -- that's Marxism. It's taking from the haves and giving to the have-nots." He continued:
BECK: Social justice -- what is that? Well, let me quote Mark Lloyd, the guy I introduced to you again to last night. "Someone needs to step down so someone else can have a turn."
And, transforming America -- I would say that that means collapsing the system as we know it and rebooting it as a progressive utopia.
None of the language is the same, and that's why people get lost. What I would call socialist or communist, they'll call justsocial justice or progressive. [Glenn Beck, 1/5/10]
Beck: "Social justice is taking money from one group and giving it to another." On Fox News, Beck stated:
BECK: This is Barack Obama in 2001 -- 2001, look at what he said, he talked about social justice. Social justice is taking money from one group and giving it to another. He talked about economic justice, the same thing. He talked about the political and community organizing, and the events in the organizing on the ground that cobble together the coalitions of power that lead to redistributive change.
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BECK: He believes when you spread the wealth around, it's good for everybody. That's Marxism. ... Spreading the wealth around. Well, that's not a capitalist idea. [Glenn Beck, 10/5/09]
Beck declares that phrases "lives in the real world," is "compassionate," and "understands social justice" are really "code language for Marxism." While discussing President Obama's remarks about what traits he would look for in a Supreme Court justice, Beck stated on his radio show:
BECK: They're now talking about making sure that they can correct -- progressive phrase -- "social justice." That does not come from the bench.
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BECK: Barack Obama comes out and says he wants somebody who lives in the real world, somebody who is compassionate, and somebody that is -- that understands social justice. That's code language for Marxism. It's called, to quote Hillary Clinton, that very American, early 20th century progressivism, where they did a loophole and a couple of somersaults to deny that they were progressives, to show the difference was enlightenment. Progressive is enlightened. Marxism is at the barrel of a gun. That's the difference to these guys. Really? Yeah, you're telling me that you're not doing things through the barrel of a gun? You're gonna have to. They're going to have to. You don't need enlightenment. Justice is blind. [The Glenn Beck Program, 5/4/09]
Beck clarifies stance on social justice
Beck: Social justice in which "you empower yourself to go out and help the poor" is permissible. On his March 12 radio show, Beck reacted to criticism by the Sojourners' Wallis:
BECK: So now, Jim Wallis comes out, and he has started to attack me personally because I have said on this program, "social justice" is code language -- code language -- for big government. I want you to understand. When it comes to your church, if your church is preaching social and economic justice, you better do some digging and find out exactly what that means. Because if that means big government, if that means yes, you need to support these big government programs, you don't have a church. What you have is an organ of the government. You have the Anglican Church over in England, which we left. You have the Church of England.
Separation of church and state. It's weird that I have to argue with someone like Jim Wallis the separation of church and state. Now, if your church is talking about social justice in the way that you empower yourself to go out and help the poor, well then that's exactly what Jesus or Allah or Buddha or whoever it is, would like you to do.
GRAY: Yeah, they're trying to make this an anti-poor thing. They're trying to make this that you're against the poor?
BECK: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
GRAY: I mean that's just ridiculous.
BECK: And so now, they're ramping up a boycott on Christians to boycott our show. Oh, really? Look out, here it comes again, gang. The smear. [The Glenn Beck Program, 3/12/10]
Beck: "There's a lot of people that will say 'social justice,' and some people don't mean Marxism, but others do." Also, on his March 12 radio show, Beck stated:
BECK: The other thing they do is they always change and confuse the language. Political correctness comes from the progressive movement. Change and confuse the language. Look at this case. Social justice. There's a lot of people that -- who say "social justice" and some people don't mean Marxism. But others do, and you need to know, which is it?
The people who brought us, you know, the language into the political religious sphere were looking for ways to bring progressivism into the church. It continues today. Where's black liberation theology come from? Black liberation theology -- Jeremiah Wright's theology -- comes from South America. The church had the power down there. The church was all-important. What the church said, people listened to. It wasn't the government, because the government was always corrupt. People had faith in the church, and they knew they could never have a communist revolution if it wasn't for the church. If the church wasn't into it, so what did they do? They came up with black liberation theology. It's Marxism. And they got it -- spooned it in -- to the Christians, piece by piece. Just little bit -- progress. Little by little spoon feed it to people until the church would decay and collapse on itself.
Why do people in Europe not go to church? Because it's one with the government. It always has been. You must protect your church and make sure that it is not an organ for the government. That doesn't mean that you don't fight and protest, and you know, your church when it comes to a moral issue like abortion, that you don't stand up and fight for it. But you don't become one with the government. Separation of church and state. Progressives have been waiting for this moment for a hundred years. [The Glenn Beck Program, 3/12/10]
http://mediamatters.org/research/201003120055
Re: The Role of Social Justice in Religion (or "Mormons vs. Glenn Beck")
Obama Driving Surge in Gun Sales, Firearms Groups Say
End-of-the-year statistics show background checks for firearms purchases rose sharply in the last three months of 2008.
President-elect Barack Obama's election has spurred a surge in gun sales, firearms retailers and enthusiasts say, as gun owners brace for what they believe will be a new era of gun control in Washington.
An electronic news service that covers outdoor news has even named Obama its "Gun Salesman of the Year."
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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/01/16/obama-driving-surge-gun-sales-firearms-groups-say/
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"I’m begging you, your right to religion and freedom to exercise religion and read all of the passages of the Bible as you want to read them and as your church wants to preach them . . . are going to come under the ropes in the next year. If it lasts that long it will be the next year."
What's that saying about clinging to guns and religion?
Obama Driving Surge in Gun Sales, Firearms Groups Say
End-of-the-year statistics show background checks for firearms purchases rose sharply in the last three months of 2008.
President-elect Barack Obama's election has spurred a surge in gun sales, firearms retailers and enthusiasts say, as gun owners brace for what they believe will be a new era of gun control in Washington.
An electronic news service that covers outdoor news has even named Obama its "Gun Salesman of the Year."
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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/01/16/obama-driving-surge-gun-sales-firearms-groups-say/
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"I’m begging you, your right to religion and freedom to exercise religion and read all of the passages of the Bible as you want to read them and as your church wants to preach them . . . are going to come under the ropes in the next year. If it lasts that long it will be the next year."
What's that saying about clinging to guns and religion?
Glenn Beck's "Restoring Honor" Rally - Interviews With Participants
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Re: Glenn Beck's "Restoring Honor" Rally - Interviews With Participants
typical on all fronts....
typical on all fronts....
Glen Becks giving direction to the Black Conservatives
Beck is a nice guy.Look how patient and loving he is as he gives direction to our black conservative brothers
Woohoo
Woohoo!!
Beck is a nice guy.Look how patient and loving he is as he gives direction to our black conservative brothers
Woohoo
Woohoo!!
The World Is On FIRE!!!!!!...According to Glenn
Glenn at his finest...The Muslims and Progressives have krafted a plan for world dominance...Why won"t people listen to Glenn's warnings!!!!
Glenn wants you to be very afraid...very afraid...No one else will give you information according to Beck...So watch me please...My ratings are the worst they have ever been...WATCH ME!
Glenn at his finest...The Muslims and Progressives have krafted a plan for world dominance...Why won"t people listen to Glenn's warnings!!!!
Glenn wants you to be very afraid...very afraid...No one else will give you information according to Beck...So watch me please...My ratings are the worst they have ever been...WATCH ME!
Re: The World Is On FIRE!!!!!!...According to Glenn
Egyptian protesters want freedom so they can destroy Israel
Egyptian protesters want freedom so they can destroy Israel
Since Republicans blocked the Transparency Act, which would show all political donations (to see if there is corruption). I thought i would share a clip from only a few years ago.
Let us reflect on Republican Values
Im sure the reason very republican voted to block the transparency act, was because they have something to hide! Something big to hide.
Corruption..
Republican Channel Foxnews Representative, Glenn Beck Meets Donald Duck
Republican Channel Foxnews Representative Glenn Beck (who disguises himself as a "libertarian" but just happens to agree with the republican party 99% of the time.)
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A re-imagined Donald Duck cartoon remix constructed using 50 classic Walt Disney animated shorts from the 1930s through 1960s. Donald's life is turned upside-down by the current economic crisis and he finds himself unemployed and falling behind on his house payments. As his frustration turns into despair Donald discovers a seemingly sympathetic voice coming from his radio named Glenn Beck.
Will Donald's feelings of disenfranchisement lead him to be persuaded by his radio's increasingly paranoid and divisive rhetoric? Or will our favorite Disney duck decide that this voice is not actually on his side after all? Watch and find out!
• Listen to Glenn Beck's response on his radio show to this remix video:
YouTube via stopbeck.org - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHHByF...
• Better yet check out ikat381's remix of Beck's response using Mickey Mouse:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbjjTL...
This transformative remix work constitutes a fair-use of any copyrighted material as provided for in section 107 of the US copyright law. "Right Wing Radio Duck" by Jonathan McIntosh is licensed under a Creative Commons BY-NC-SA 3.0 License - permitting non-commercial sharing with attribution.
• Please link back to my website: http://www.rebelliouspixels.com
• English captions are now working in case you're not fluent in duck-speak
• Learn about fair-use at the Center for Social Media: http://centerforsocialmedia.org
• Learn about transformative works at the OTW: http://transformativeworks.org
• Useful Media Matters archive of Glenn Beck clips: http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/
• Partially inspired by Noam Chomsky on the Tea Party: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2zYaK...
OR IS A REPUBLICAN
Republican Channel Foxnews Representative Glenn Beck (who disguises himself as a "libertarian" but just happens to agree with the republican party 99% of the time.)
If You like Please Subscribe
A re-imagined Donald Duck cartoon remix constructed using 50 classic Walt Disney animated shorts from the 1930s through 1960s. Donald's life is turned upside-down by the current economic crisis and he finds himself unemployed and falling behind on his house payments. As his frustration turns into despair Donald discovers a seemingly sympathetic voice coming from his radio named Glenn Beck.
Will Donald's feelings of disenfranchisement lead him to be persuaded by his radio's increasingly paranoid and divisive rhetoric? Or will our favorite Disney duck decide that this voice is not actually on his side after all? Watch and find out!
• Listen to Glenn Beck's response on his radio show to this remix video:
YouTube via stopbeck.org - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHHByF...
• Better yet check out ikat381's remix of Beck's response using Mickey Mouse:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbjjTL...
This transformative remix work constitutes a fair-use of any copyrighted material as provided for in section 107 of the US copyright law. "Right Wing Radio Duck" by Jonathan McIntosh is licensed under a Creative Commons BY-NC-SA 3.0 License - permitting non-commercial sharing with attribution.
• Please link back to my website: http://www.rebelliouspixels.com
• English captions are now working in case you're not fluent in duck-speak
• Learn about fair-use at the Center for Social Media: http://centerforsocialmedia.org
• Learn about transformative works at the OTW: http://transformativeworks.org
• Useful Media Matters archive of Glenn Beck clips: http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/
• Partially inspired by Noam Chomsky on the Tea Party: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2zYaK...
NOTE MASTERBAKER NIETHER ENDORSES THIS N
OR IS A REPUBLICAN
O'Rielly Tells Beck He Is Full Of $hit
..so to speak
..so to speak
Glenn Beck on Obama at Ground Zero: I Find This Extraordinary Offensive
die beck my .02
die beck
my .02