France Urged to Pay $40 Billion to Haiti for "Independence Debt"!

http://www.webster.edu/~corbetre/haiti/history/savannah/savannah-list1.htm

http://thelouvertureproject.org/index.php?title=Simón_Bolívar
How Haiti helped free south america from spanish rule

Simón Bolívar is regarded in Latin America as a hero, visionary, revolutionary, and liberator. During his short life, he led Bolivia, Colombia, Ecuador, Panama, Peru, and Venezuela to independence, and helped lay the foundations for democratic ideology in much of Hispanic America. Haitian goverment under Alexandre Pétion for his military campaigns. Pétion secretly supplied Bolívar with weapons, resources etc. more than once to go ahead to fight for Spanish rule.

Frederick Douglass Timeline
President Harrison appointed Frederick to the post of Minister of Haiti.

lET US NOT FORGET SOME haitians fought in the revolutionary american war.

france is full of shit. keep in mind, many countries have NO problem looking at America as a evil empire with slavery past but other countries were not so kind to blacks as well.
 
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http://www.webster.edu/~corbetre/haiti/history/savannah/savannah-list1.htm

http://thelouvertureproject.org/index.php?title=Simón_Bolívar
How Haiti helped free south america from spanish rule

Simón Bolívar is regarded in Latin America as a hero, visionary, revolutionary, and liberator. During his short life, he led Bolivia, Colombia, Ecuador, Panama, Peru, and Venezuela to independence, and helped lay the foundations for democratic ideology in much of Hispanic America. Haitian goverment under Alexandre Pétion for his military campaigns. Pétion secretly supplied Bolívar with weapons, resources etc. more than once to go ahead to fight for Spanish rule.

Frederick Douglass Timeline
President Harrison appointed Frederick to the post of Minister of Haiti.

lET US NOT FORGET SOME haitians fought in the revolutionary american war.

france is full of shit. keep in mind, many countries have NO problem looking at America as a evil empire with slavery past but other countries were not so kind to blacks as well.

:yes: That's why i call the system for what it is. A global, national and local system of racism/white supremacy. Nothing more, nothing less. Everything else that one would believe will only confuse them. oNe!!!
 
We all know they should, but, surely we understand that it will stop at "should"...

The letter is being published at a time when the international community is coming under increasing criticism for failing to send aid money pledged at the international donors’ conference in March. According to the UN-sponsored Haiti Reconstruction Fund, only two countries—Brazil and Estonia—have paid the fully pledged amount, while the United States, France, Canada and others have failed to send their pledged aid to Haiti.

Pledge money for the TV cameras and for show, don't pay when people are not looking.

:hmm::hmm:

Reparations? We can't even get parity in the United States on jobs, education, healthcare, and prison. 1.3 million jobs are being skimmed off, jacking black unemployment to 16 percent.

France needs to pay $1 trillion to Haiti, all the wealth they got from slave labor. Britain needs to come out of pocket for slavery in the United States, they bought all the cotton up encouraging slavery to continue.

da FUCK?:angry:
 
Haiti will get that money when we get our forty acres and a mule.:hmm:


*waits...*

*two cents*
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France (along with the US and Canada) orchestrated the coup against Aristide in 2004 RIGHT AFTER Aristide brought this issue up.

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Haiti/Aristide_ReparationsFrance.html

Aristide's Call for Reparations From France Unlikely to Die
by Dionne Jackson Miller
Inter Press Service News Agency, www.ipsnews.net/, March 12, 2004

Whether Jean-Bertrand Aristide ever returns to the homeland he left under such controversial circumstances, his call for France to make reparations to his troubled Caribbean nation of Haiti is as important as ever and must not be allowed to die, say observers.
Some analysts believe that France's refusal to support the deployment of an international peacekeeping force to Haiti until after the president's departure was linked to Aristide's unpopular -- in Paris -- demand for reparations.
The United Nations Security Council, of which France is a permanent member, rejected a Feb. 26 appeal from the Caribbean Community (CARICOM) for international peacekeeping forces to be sent into its member state Haiti, but voted unanimously to send in troops three days later, just hours after Aristide's controversial resignation.
"I believe that (the call for reparations) could have something to do with it, because they (France) were definitely not happy about it, and made some very hostile comments," Myrtha Desulme, chairperson of the Haiti-Jamaica Exchange Committee, told IPS.
"(But) I believe that he did have grounds for that demand, because that is what started the downfall of Haiti," she says.
Last year, Aristide demanded that France pay Haiti over 21 billion U.S. dollars, what he said was the equivalent in today's money of the 90 million gold francs Haiti was forced to pay Paris after winning its freedom from France as the hemisphere's first independent black nation 200 years ago.
Historians say that the massive toll that France exacted on Haiti played a large part in the Caribbean country's subsequent descent into stark poverty and under-development.
How closely the reparations issue influenced French actions in the days leading up to Aristide's departure from Haiti is debatable.
French professor and commentator on Haitian issues at New York University, Michael Dash, says the call is unlikely to have been the major factor.
"This demand certainly did not endear him (Aristide) to the French, but their recent actions in Haiti may have more to do with attempting to form some kind of alliance with the U.S. after the falling out over Iraq," he told IPS.
France refused to back Washington's call for support in the U.N. Security Council as it prepared an invasion of Iraq last year.
But the Haitian crisis has clearly pulled the two countries closer after a chill in relations over the U.S.-led invasion of the Middle Eastern nation.
Days after the intervention in Haiti, U.S. President George W. Bush telephoned French President Jacques Chirac to express pleasure over the two countries' cooperation on the issue.
But with Aristide gone, will the demand for reparations also die?
Desulme, a Haitian now living in Jamaica, is not sure.
"Geopolitics is a matter of how much muscle you can flex and now Haiti has no muscle to flex. It's in such a devastated state that it's a reconstruction process that's needed, and they have no muscle to demand (reparations)," says Desulme.
But the issue, she adds, must be kept alive, by advocates inside Haiti or via its friends outside.
"Haiti has suffered massive injustices. I think that they may have to give up the reparations argument because it seems to be offensive to France, but I believe that (outside advocates) should keep the issue alive."
"They should continue to ask for reparations even if they don't get it. I think it's a massive injustice that was done and the world needs to know that," she adds.
Dash says the issue is unlikely to fade away.
"Aristide got a lot of support for this demand both inside and outside of Haiti. The reality is that he in particular was unlikely to receive a cent from the French. A successor could however ask (more diplomatically), that some gesture be made by the French to compensate for what Haiti has suffered.
"The French, it is true, do not like to face up to their slave-owning colonial past. But we live in an age when reparations of all kinds are being asked for, and this one is a documented sum of money paid to a colonial power to compensate for loss of property, and which plunged Haiti into decades of debt," Dash says.
One avenue to help Haiti could be through development of the country's crippled infrastructure, says Desulme.
"The French have a moral duty to put into Haiti the equivalent of what was paid," she says. "They could put that amount into infrastructure in the country, like roads and water."
"The international community will have to come in and do that, whether they call it reparations or not."
Journalist and reparations activist Barbara Blake Hannah says the Haitian reparations issue touches the entire Caribbean.
"Haiti is part of the same 'slave boat' we all suffered in, and is part of the reparations issue -- if only because they have set a precedent by paying it to France," Blake Hannah told IPS.
Coordinator of the Jamaica Reparations Movement, Blake Hannah says there has been little action there recently, as the organisation waits for the government to fulfil a promise to hold a national round-table to discuss restitution from former colonial power the United Kingdom.
In the meantime, demands for reparations have been growing globally.
The Bunyoro-Kitara kingdom, in western Uganda, home to a population of about one million people, has just announced that it will seek three trillion pounds (5.5 trillion dollars) from London in reparations for atrocities alleged to have been committed during the era of British colonialism, reported Agence France Presse recently.
Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan has also called on the United States and England to honour reparation claims.
The U.S. movement received a setback in January, when a Chicago judge dismissed a lawsuit against 18 companies said to have profited from slavery. 'USA Today' quoted U.S. District Judge Charles Norgle as saying the plaintiffs were "trying to assert the legal rights of their ancestors" without proving they had suffered injury.
Norgle also said the courts do not have the constitutional authority to decide the question of reparations for slavery, and that the issue should be dealt with by the U.S. Congress, while noting that the statute of limitations had run out on crimes committed during slavery, which ended in the United States in 1865.
These events are unfolding against the backdrop of U.N. celebrations of 2004 as the International Year for the Commemoration of Slavery and the Slave Trade, and the celebration of the Haitian bicentennial, an event entirely overshadowed by the dramatic events of the past weeks.
Dash says the overall impact on the commemoration depends on the expectations in which it was organised.
"If it was the raising of racial self-esteem or some such folly they will no doubt be disappointed. But Haiti is not just a racial symbol. It's a real Caribbean country going through a long and violent post-Duvalierist transition," he said referring to Francois and Jean-Claude Duvalier, father and son dictators who ruled Haiti from 1957 to 1986, and are accused of massive corruption and numerous incidents of human rights violations during their tenure.
"Celebrations must necessarily take in the reality of the struggle to establish a new social and political order in that country," adds Dash.
But Blake Hannah, a member of Jamaica's organising committee for the bicentennial observances, says that far from diminishing the significance of the year of commemoration, the upheavals in Haiti have deepened its import.
"Haiti is a beacon in the issues of slavery, rebellion and abolition," she says.
"Jamaicans have had their eyes opened on our slave history by Haiti. Jamaicans have bonded with their slave past as never before. It's such an ironic coincidence that it has taken another revolution to bring history into focus again. Whatever the outcome in Haiti, slavery is again in our focus."
 
^ I love these little "coincidences". for instance Blagojovich was snatched up by the feds in his pajamas the MORNING AFTER he threatened Bank of America over some union loan issue:

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE4B773020081209

Illinois pressures Bank of America to help workers

By Andrew Stern

CHICAGO | Mon Dec 8, 2008 10:48pm EST

CHICAGO (Reuters) - Bank of America will lose out on hundreds of millions of dollars in fees and commissions from the state of Illinois if it fails to help laid-off workers occupying a Chicago factory, the governor warned on Monday.

Gov. Rod Blagojevich, a Democrat, visited Republic Windows & Doors where 250 union workers have camped out in shifts since Friday, demanding severance and vacation pay after the family-owned business gave them just three days notice of the plant's closing.

The parties involved met on Monday and failed to reach a resolution but said they would talk again on Tuesday. The workers said their occupation of the plant would continue.

The company told workers last week that Bank of America had shut off its line of credit and refused to allow further expenditures.

The shuttered factory, a victim of the downturn in residential construction, has come to symbolize the plight of unemployed workers caught in the recession and resentment of the federal bailout of Wall Street banks, while Main Street businesses wither.

Blagojevich said the state would withhold business worth "hundreds of millions" of dollars from Bank of America, consisting of fees, commissions and other payments until it provided help to the workers.

Bank of America, the recipient of $15 billion of federal bailout funds, said in a statement it had "provided the maximum amount of funding we can under the terms of our agreement" with Republic. The bank said it was "reaching out to the management and ownership of the company to see what they can do to help resolve the issue."

Republic workers demanded to be paid severance equal to 60 days pay plus unused vacation time -- citing a federal law that requires companies to give 60 days notice before shutting a facility.

Republic may qualify for an exception to the 60-day notice if the company can show its line of credit was yanked abruptly, creating an unforeseeable circumstance, said James Hendricks, a Chicago attorney with expertise in the area. Workers can pursue the company through lawsuits or arbitration, he said.

Asked about the dispute at a news conference on Sunday, President-elect Barack Obama expressed support for the workers and underscored the sentiments stirred up.

"It's also important for us to make sure that the plans and programs that we design aren't just targeted at maintaining the solvency of banks, but they're designed also to get money out the door and to help people on Main Street," Obama said.

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSWAT01061220081209

Illinois Gov. arrested on corruption charges

By Michael Conlon and Andrew Stern

CHICAGO | Tue Dec 9, 2008 1:01pm EST

CHICAGO (Reuters) - Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich was arrested on corruption charges on Tuesday, including trying to sell the U.S. Senate seat vacated by fellow Democrat President-elect Barack Obama, federal prosecutors said.
 
instead of billions in money.
France should give Haiti billions in infrastructure.
France should spend the billions building roads,schools,hospitals,water,and sanitation facilities.

Trusting the crooked Haitian government money is like giving a crackhead money.:smh::smh:
 
Man...I don't know how I feel about this...as long as the US don't try to annex Haiti I could give a fuck less.
 
instead of billions in money.
France should give Haiti billions in infrastructure.
France should spend the billions building roads,schools,hospitals,water,and sanitation facilities.

Trusting the crooked Haitian government money is like giving a crackhead money.:smh::smh:

:hmm: Cats be just talking and assuming... Let France pay up first and lets see how the "crooked Haitian government" acts like a "crackhead with money"... Other than that, there is no evidence to support your popular opinion Sir.
 
The white man never wants to acknowledge the long term effects that his greed and oppression have on people. All of us Africans in the Western hemisphere are suffering because of it.


That's the same thing that some BGOL members also do not want to acknowledge... :smh:


Let me explain this shit...because it gets to me.

Brothas, especially on this board, will never demand shit from people of european descent, due to the white man's explanation of why he conquered the world.

For instance, take the constant reference, in BGOL, to that Guns, Germs, and Steel book.

Cats love that book here, because it provides the explanation of latitude, longitude, and climate to white world dominance.

In doing this it completely exonerates european culture!

Culture is key!

Cats actually believe that if any other ethnicity, with the same lat/long privileges as the europeans, would have dominated the world in a similar manner.

So....to them.... white world domination and exploitation becomes human nature <--(I love seeing this phrase lol).

In the end, white dominance and exploitation is due to spatial temporal phenomena out of european control...they are not to blame....they were just "lucky".
 
Let me explain this shit...because it gets to me.

Brothas, especially on this board, will never demand shit from people of european descent, due to the white man's explanation of why he conquered the world.

For instance, take the constant reference, in BGOL, to that Guns, Germs, and Steel book.

Cats love that book here, because it provides the explanation of latitude, longitude, and climate to white world dominance.

In doing this it completely exonerates european culture!

Culture is key!

Cats actually believe that if any other ethnicity, with the same lat/long privileges as the europeans, would have dominated the world in a similar manner.

So....to them.... white world domination and exploitation becomes human nature <--(I love seeing this phrase lol).

So white dominance and exploitation is due to spatial temporal phenomena out of white control...they are not to blame....they were just "lucky".

Respect Sir. Thank you for your input. And you are right, most, not all, cats on BGOL like to justify white global, national and local mistreatment as "HUMAN NATURE"... God! I hate those two words :angry: Half of the folks here don't/can't even define what "HUMAN" is... :smh:
 
Let me explain this shit...because it gets to me.

Brothas, especially on this board, will never demand shit from people of european descent, due to the white man's explanation of why he conquered the world.

For instance, take the constant reference, in BGOL, to that Guns, Germs, and Steel book.

Cats love that book here, because it provides the explanation of latitude, longitude, and climate to white world dominance.

In doing this it completely exonerates european culture!

Culture is key!

Cats actually believe that if any other ethnicity, with the same lat/long privileges as the europeans, would have dominated the world in a similar manner.

So....to them.... white world domination and exploitation becomes human nature <--(I love seeing this phrase lol).

In the end, white dominance and exploitation is due to spatial temporal phenomena out of european control...they are not to blame....they were just "lucky".

So you are implying that white culture is superior to others?
 
Let me explain this shit...because it gets to me.

Brothas, especially on this board, will never demand shit from people of european descent, due to the white man's explanation of why he conquered the world.

For instance, take the constant reference, in BGOL, to that Guns, Germs, and Steel book.

Cats love that book here, because it provides the explanation of latitude, longitude, and climate to white world dominance.

In doing this it completely exonerates european culture!

Culture is key!

Cats actually believe that if any other ethnicity, with the same lat/long privileges as the europeans, would have dominated the world in a similar manner.

So....to them.... white world domination and exploitation becomes human nature <--(I love seeing this phrase lol).

In the end, white dominance and exploitation is due to spatial temporal phenomena out of european control...they are not to blame....they were just "lucky".

Have you read the book?


I'm askin cuz you seemed to miss the point. The book attempted to explain why some people were able to develop their societies at different rates to the point where one had a significant advantage technology wise over others; it does not attempt to justify/excuse European actions as far as conquering other people...if anything it attempts to disabuse the notion that it is based on "genetic deficiencies" of non-white people.
 
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We all know they should, but, surely we understand that it will stop at "should"...



da FUCK?:angry:

Most people when they think of slavery; who is responsible for it in the United States, don't factor in Britain who got 80 percent of their cotton (raw material) from the United States. The cotton from the United was the cheapest, thereby transferring more wealth to Britain. They took the cotton and made yarns and other material with it.

If Britain, didn't buy the cotton, they wouldn't be a big demand for slaves in the South.

No different than funding flight training for Al-Qaida, you would be in Gitmo so fast getting waterboarded and killed.
 
Let me explain this shit...because it gets to me.

Brothas, especially on this board, will never demand shit from people of european descent, due to the white man's explanation of why he conquered the world.

For instance, take the constant reference, in BGOL, to that Guns, Germs, and Steel book.

Cats love that book here, because it provides the explanation of latitude, longitude, and climate to white world dominance.

In doing this it completely exonerates european culture!

Culture is key!

Cats actually believe that if any other ethnicity, with the same lat/long privileges as the europeans, would have dominated the world in a similar manner.

So....to them.... white world domination and exploitation becomes human nature <--(I love seeing this phrase lol).

In the end, white dominance and exploitation is due to spatial temporal phenomena out of european control...they are not to blame....they were just "lucky".

so what is your theory. if white skin and black skin aren't an issue then yes its culture but culture is formed by what? environment. tropics = warm, sunny, lots of food, = black culture is people oriented. cold poles = limited resources, need to fight to survive = white culture is acquisition oriented. its not genetic thing its cultures that developed due to ENVIRONMENT.

you are not giving a thorough critique of GGS.
 
so what is your theory. if white skin and black skin aren't an issue then yes its culture but culture is formed by what? environment. tropics = warm, sunny, lots of food, = black culture is people oriented. cold poles = limited resources, need to fight to survive = white culture is acquisition oriented. its not genetic thing its cultures that developed due to ENVIRONMENT.

you are not giving a thorough critique of GGS.

^^^^^this...



HOW someone could read GGS and the only conclusion is that it's a big excuse for white imperialism is beyond me:smh:
 
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