Four Mayweather Myths Debunked: A Fan's Take

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Four Mayweather myths debunked: Fan’s take

By Paul Magno


There are few athletes that generate the same level of controversy and debate as five-division world champ, Floyd Mayweather jr. From his days as a 21-year-old world champion wunderkind right through to his current status as world class, elite-level heat magnet, Mayweather has become a permanent part of the psyches of most fight fans.

Attacked by unfriendly media sources and his persistent legion of critics, Mayweather has often been his own worst enemy, refusing to acknowledge critics' assertions and playing the role of indifferent party boy. As a result, myths have popped up about the talented former Olympic bronze medalist and have been allowed to stay in the public forum, becoming part of conventional wisdom for some, regardless of whether the accusation is based in fact or not.

In the spirit of fair play, here's a look at the most persistent myths regarding Mayweather and why they are more fiction than fact:

Mayweather has ducked…

Mayweather's failure to fight guys like Antonio Margarito and Miguel Cotto continue to hound the former welterweight titlist, but what's seldom pointed out is the promotional barriers to making these bouts.

When Mayweather left promoter, Bob Arum, he made a powerful, spiteful enemy. He also ensured that any dealing with Arum's promotional company, Top Rank, would be as pleasant and easy as a root canal.

When he was criticized for not meeting Margarito's "challenge" in 2006, it's rarely mentioned that Mayweather had just left Top Rank, had pending legal action against Arum, and was unlikely to turn around immediately after leaving his promotional company and fight, once again, under his old promotional banner.

As for Cotto, it should be noted that by the time Cotto made his debut in the welterweight division, Mayweather had already captured the lineal welterweight title and was beginning negotiations for his money fight with Oscar De la Hoya.

If Arum had wanted to force a fight between his guys and then-WBC champ, Mayweather, he could've easily done so by positioning Margarito, Cotto, and Clottey within the rankings of the organization. Instead, Arum chose to position his fighters in every division, except the WBC.

Mayweather always fights smaller fighters

This is easy to debunk. Mayweather has only fought two fighters who moved up in weight to fight him, Ricky Hatton and Juan Manuel Marquez— and Hatton was WBA welterweight champ a year prior. For the vast majority of his career, Mayweather has been the naturally smaller fighter.

Mayweather "cherry picks" his opponents

This isn't a myth at all. However, hardcore, observant fight fans will acknowledge that every top fighter strategically chooses the right opponent for the right price. Mayweather may, indeed, be a cherry picker, but this is nothing unusual at all. All professional prize fighters at the top of their game weigh risk vs. reward carefully when it comes to their bouts.

Mayweather is afraid of Pacquiao

"Afraid" is a heavy word to toss around when talking about a professional prize fighter who has been in competitive action since childhood. There aren't many cowards who fight for a living and have dominated the amateur and professional ranks, fighting fifteen past, present, or future world champions.

Mayweather did what he could to make the Pacquiao fight happen. Whether the request for random blood testing was just a psychological ploy or it represented a sincere concern on his part, the fact of the matter is that Mayweather came to terms quickly on all stipujations and even went to arbitration to settle the blood testing issue. During arbitration, as stated by the arbitrating judge, Mayweather would even go on to compromise on his request for true random testing, but it was Pacquiao who wouldn't budge.

Mayweather would move on after the fight fell apart and, by most accounts, hold firm on his demand for true, Olympic-style random blood testing— a stipulation Team Pacquiao has never conceded. The truth remains that on the one occasion where both Mayweather and Pacquiao were present for negotiations, it was Pacquiao who ultimately killed the deal.

Believe what you wish, but all the subsequent stories about Pacquiao agreeing to random testing and Mayweather turning down huge financial offers to take the fight have come from one source, and one source alone— Pacquiao promoter and jilted former member of Team Mayweather, Bob Arum.

Paul Magno is a licensed official in the state of Michoacan, Mexico and a close follower of the sport for more than thirty years. His work can also be found on Fox Sports and The Boxing Tribune. In the past, Paul has done work for Inside Fights, The Queensberry Rules and Eastside Boxing.


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Good share Merce. Even with this information, I'm sure the Pactards will still find ways to talk shit about Floyd and calm him a coward and all that bullshit. I really hope this fight happens, and I hope Floyd embarrasses him. Not because I dont like Manny, I like both guys...but them Pactards, and them racist-ass Filipinos fans need there stupid asses silenced :angry:.
 
I read this yesterday. Good share, merce.

And the writer takes Mayweather to task on the same things most of us do exposing some of the lies people accept and regurgitate as truth.
 
Nothing was debunked. It pointed out info for question the writer wanted to answer. Cool read, but lack substance if you like dude. Not to mention it was incomplete with the facts. There are other gripes harder to debunk about dude and are examples on why he is not liked as a fighter.
 
Nothing was debunked. It pointed out info for question the writer wanted to answer. Cool read, but lack substance if you like dude. Not to mention it was incomplete with the facts. There are other gripes harder to debunk about dude and are examples on why he is not liked as a fighter.

Then by all means let's here your facts....but let them be FACTS.
 
Then by all means let's here your facts....but let them be FACTS.

The fact still remain that he had offers to fight Cotto, Antonio, frietas, casamayor, and somehow decided to fight BGOL's favorite Chop Chop when everyone wanted him to fight Kostya. Now the writer of the article used the term ducked. I am only using it in this discussion cause he mentioned it first. But these are the fighters people remember that he didn't fight when he could have. I want to mention shane, but I don't remember how they never met up when they both were fighting well.

The smaller fighter is an interesting one. It isn't just about him having fighters move up. A lot of it has to do with him just clearly being the bigger guy in the ring. Most of his fights he has reach and height on his opponent. Which is fine. He is the size he is. I don't hold that against him. It isn't an issue for me. However he didn't make the case well when it is documented that he is usually has a size advantage over a lot of his opponents. I am sure boxing rec will show that. But it isn't a gripe I have with dude.

The cherry picking is only irritating because he let so many good fights go away for the brussels and baldimor's of the world.

The afraid of Manny thing is stretching it. And to be honest nobody can answer it. This isn't fact just opinion like the writer did with his article. But I think PBF is more content with not having a challenge and staying undefeated than he is with fighting Manny. To say he did everything he could is a joke. He could have not asked manny to do what no other professional fighter has been asked to do, ever... If he wanted to make the fight.

My main issues with PBF are his lack of great fights. His lack of killer instinct. He seems to carry fights way to much for me since he became a welterweight. And his Style is boring because he doesn't go after great fights and carries the boxers he has been facing. PBF is way to talented of a fighter to be looked at the way he is today.

Facts, all I can is give my opinion based on the things I believe have merit. The writer had facts as I did. But neither of us can paint a perfect picture because we are spectators to this stuff. He wrote a very favorable article because he is a fan of his. It just was not critical of the entire scenarios he discuss. Which is fine. The same could be said about mine. I was just making a comment because dudes act like he was speaking the gospel. when he was really just speaking as a PBF fan.
 
The fact still remain that he had offers to fight Cotto, Antonio, frietas, casamayor, and somehow decided to fight BGOL's favorite Chop Chop when everyone wanted him to fight Kostya. Now the writer of the article used the term ducked. I am only using it in this discussion cause he mentioned it first. But these are the fighters people remember that he didn't fight when he could have.

That's a wash because you can say that for just about anyone. Cotto never fought Paul Williams at 147, Freitas and Tszyu didn't fight Marquez, and so forth. It's a rarity for fighters in this time to fight everyone that fans want them to fight...too much business in the way

I want to mention shane, but I don't remember how they never met up when they both were fighting well.

Could have happened in 2007 but Shane stepped aside if you will and allowed Floyd to face Oscar

The cherry picking is only irritating because he let so many good fights go away for the bruseles and baldomir's of the world.

Come on now, you're reaching for straws on this one...The Bruseles fight was a lead in to the fight against Arturo Gatti, and if Zab Judah beat Baldomir like he was supposed to do, then Floyd would have never fought Carlos in the first place.

My main issues with PBF are his lack of great fights. His lack of killer instinct. He seems to carry fights way to much for me since he became a welterweight. And his Style is boring because he doesn't go after great fights and carries the boxers he has been facing. PBF is way to talented of a fighter to be looked at the way he is today.

You partially answered your issue with your last sentence. And again, we discussed this in another thread when you raised your point before. It is not that he has not had any great fights, it's that he has become so good that he makes what should be a great fight one that he dominates. Cases in point: Corrales & Judah.

I was just making a comment because dudes act like he was speaking the gospel. when he was really just speaking as a PBF fan.

That comes with the territory in every sports discussion. There will be people that cosign anything that is written positive about their favorite fighter, whether it is true or not.
 
The fact still remain that he had offers to fight Cotto, Antonio, frietas, casamayor, and somehow decided to fight BGOL's favorite Chop Chop when everyone wanted him to fight Kostya. Now the writer of the article used the term ducked. I am only using it in this discussion cause he mentioned it first. But these are the fighters people remember that he didn't fight when he could have. I want to mention shane, but I don't remember how they never met up when they both were fighting well.

The smaller fighter is an interesting one. It isn't just about him having fighters move up. A lot of it has to do with him just clearly being the bigger guy in the ring. Most of his fights he has reach and height on his opponent. Which is fine. He is the size he is. I don't hold that against him. It isn't an issue for me. However he didn't make the case well when it is documented that he is usually has a size advantage over a lot of his opponents. I am sure boxing rec will show that. But it isn't a gripe I have with dude.

The cherry picking is only irritating because he let so many good fights go away for the brussels and baldimor's of the world.

The afraid of Manny thing is stretching it. And to be honest nobody can answer it. This isn't fact just opinion like the writer did with his article. But I think PBF is more content with not having a challenge and staying undefeated than he is with fighting Manny. To say he did everything he could is a joke. He could have not asked manny to do what no other professional fighter has been asked to do, ever... If he wanted to make the fight.

My main issues with PBF are his lack of great fights. His lack of killer instinct. He seems to carry fights way to much for me since he became a welterweight. And his Style is boring because he doesn't go after great fights and carries the boxers he has been facing. PBF is way to talented of a fighter to be looked at the way he is today.

Facts, all I can is give my opinion based on the things I believe have merit. The writer had facts as I did. But neither of us can paint a perfect picture because we are spectators to this stuff. He wrote a very favorable article because he is a fan of his. It just was not critical of the entire scenarios he discuss. Which is fine. The same could be said about mine. I was just making a comment because dudes act like he was speaking the gospel. when he was really just speaking as a PBF fan.

Casamayor is the only one that burns.

There have been articles posted by Merce were Arum was trying to pay Floyd pennies to fight Margarito and Cotto when Floyd was signed to Top Rank so he took a different path for more money. This has been talked about for years and still you don't get that part of the fight business is business...

Kostya isn't even worth mentioning because he quit on Hatton and Floyd dominated Hatton.

I mean damn Floyd has been fighting champions with the exception of Judah for years straight. He hasn't fought everyone I want but Casamayor is the only person you listed that who be on my list also.
 

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both of them hoes.

thats why i watch UFC now.

good fights every couple months and no ducking.


While I've grown to really enjoy UFC, this idea that they have all these good-great fights all the time is bullshit. They have just as many boring, uneventful fights as boxing if not more since they have ppvs more often.

Come on now, you're reaching for straws on this one...The Bruseles fight was a lead in to the fight against Arturo Gatti, and if Zab Judah beat Baldomir like he was supposed to do, then Floyd would have never fought Carlos in the first place.

Thank you. Again with the Bruseles nonsense. Dude was a tuneup. Floyd Mayweather might be the only guy I've ever seen who gets killed for fighting a tuneup. The Bruseles fight was build up for his fight with Gatti. He was never supposed to fight Tszyu. Tszyu lost to Ricky Hatton the same month Floyd beat up Gatti and never fought again.
You're exactly right about Baldomir. After beating an overconfident, probably under trained Zab Judah, he pummelled Arturo Gatti and had the other welterweight title when Floyd still gave a shit about belts. Had Judah handled his business, that fight never happens.
 
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Thank you. Again with the Bruseles nonsense. Dude was a tuneup. Floyd Mayweather might be the only guy I've ever seen who gets killed for fighting a tuneup. The Bruseles fight was build up for his fight with Gatti. He was never supposed to fight Tszyu. Tszyu lost to Ricky Hatton the same month Floyd beat up Gatti and never fought again.
You're exactly right about Baldomir. After beating an overconfident, probably under trained Zab Judah, he pummelled Arturo Gatti and had the other welterweight title when Floyd still gave a shit about belts. Had Judah handled his business, that fight never happens.

As much as we talk about the old fighters, they didn't just fight the best.... they had a lot of tune up fights too.

Also can we be clear about the term ducking. For there to be a duck, the duckee has to be a scary threat. Otherwise, every decent scrapper can say they were ducked. Collazo should be every where explaining how Pac ducked him, and there is no way SRL didn't duck Pryor if Floyd had to fight Kostya. The only real duck was Williams.
 
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As much as we talk about the old fighters, the didn't fight the best.... the had a lot of tune up fights too.

Also can we be clear about the term ducking. For there to be a duck, the duckee has to be a scary threat. Otherwise, every decent scrapper can say they were ducked. Calloza should be every where explaining how Pac ducked him, and there is no way SRL didn't duck Pryor if Floyd had to fight Kostya. The only real duck was Williams.

Great observation about "ducking". That's why I used the examples of SRL and "The Hawk" and Riddick Bowe and Lennox Lewis.

EVERYBODY ducked Williams.
 
The hawk being avoid by srl is kind of silly. Brussels lol is far from a reach. Pbf needed a tune up for gatti. That freaking funny. Frietas was 32-0 with something like 29 ko. Joel was a slick boxing fool that was undefeated too. Pbf refused to fight 2 well deserving champs in his division that were undefeated. Either way you will see pbf as you want. The dude has passed on more fights than he has made in my opinion. And for the dude that said you cant talk about kostya. That is the funniest shit ever. Yeah ignore a dude that is in the hall of fame that pbf jumped in his weight class and ignored. Kostya was a super champ. At that time people had belts but they were paper weights.
 
The hawk being avoid by srl is kind of silly. Brussels lol is far from a reach. Pbf needed a tune up for gatti. That freaking funny. Frietas was 32-0 with something like 29 ko. Joel was a slick boxing fool that was undefeated too. Pbf refused to fight 2 well deserving champs in his division that were undefeated. Either way you will see pbf as you want. The dude has passed on more fights than he has made in my opinion. And for the dude that said you cant talk about kostya. That is the funniest shit ever. Yeah ignore a dude that is in the hall of fame that pbf jumped in his weight class and ignored. Kostya was a super champ. At that time people had belts but they were paper weights.

Brussels was his second fight at 140. During the time your talking about, Freitas was at 130 and by the time he moved up... Floyd was at 140. Again if Pryor isn't a duck... Casamayor is true and that's all you got, but when Joel was at 135, he was not undefeated.
 
The hawk being avoid by srl is kind of silly. Brussels lol is far from a reach. Pbf needed a tune up for gatti. That freaking funny. Frietas was 32-0 with something like 29 ko. Joel was a slick boxing fool that was undefeated too. Pbf refused to fight 2 well deserving champs in his division that were undefeated. Either way you will see pbf as you want. The dude has passed on more fights than he has made in my opinion. And for the dude that said you cant talk about kostya. That is the funniest shit ever. Yeah ignore a dude that is in the hall of fame that pbf jumped in his weight class and ignored. Kostya was a super champ. At that time people had belts but they were paper weights.

You ignore someone who functionally retired after his first loss. He was the top guy at 140 and was looked at as the top guy at 147 since that was Judah, who Tszyu had already beaten. But when he lost to Hatton, he stopped fighting, never even asking for a rematch with Hatton. If he was to fight anyone, it should have been Hatton, which he eventually did.


Brussels was his second fight at 140. During the time your talking about, Freitas was at 130 and by the time he moved up... Floyd was at 140. Again if Pryor isn't a duck... Casamayor is true and that's all you got, but when Joel was at 135, he was not undefeated.


You see how he just leaves out inconvenient facts? That's frustrating when you're trying to talk to someone and they won't let facts influence their opinion. If he fought Freitas, you would still be talking about how he fights smaller guys (which the writer showed to be untrue but buk decided to stick with the story).
 
The fact still remain that he had offers to fight Cotto, Antonio, frietas, casamayor, and somehow decided to fight BGOL's favorite Chop Chop when everyone wanted him to fight Kostya. Now the writer of the article used the term ducked. I am only using it in this discussion cause he mentioned it first. But these are the fighters people remember that he didn't fight when he could have. I want to mention shane, but I don't remember how they never met up when they both were fighting well.

The smaller fighter is an interesting one. It isn't just about him having fighters move up. A lot of it has to do with him just clearly being the bigger guy in the ring. Most of his fights he has reach and height on his opponent. Which is fine. He is the size he is. I don't hold that against him. It isn't an issue for me. However he didn't make the case well when it is documented that he is usually has a size advantage over a lot of his opponents. I am sure boxing rec will show that. But it isn't a gripe I have with dude.

The cherry picking is only irritating because he let so many good fights go away for the brussels and baldimor's of the world.

The afraid of Manny thing is stretching it. And to be honest nobody can answer it. This isn't fact just opinion like the writer did with his article. But I think PBF is more content with not having a challenge and staying undefeated than he is with fighting Manny. To say he did everything he could is a joke. He could have not asked manny to do what no other professional fighter has been asked to do, ever... If he wanted to make the fight.

My main issues with PBF are his lack of great fights. His lack of killer instinct. He seems to carry fights way to much for me since he became a welterweight. And his Style is boring because he doesn't go after great fights and carries the boxers he has been facing. PBF is way to talented of a fighter to be looked at the way he is today.

Facts, all I can is give my opinion based on the things I believe have merit. The writer had facts as I did. But neither of us can paint a perfect picture because we are spectators to this stuff. He wrote a very favorable article because he is a fan of his. It just was not critical of the entire scenarios he discuss. Which is fine. The same could be said about mine. I was just making a comment because dudes act like he was speaking the gospel. when he was really just speaking as a PBF fan.

Again with your "facts". Lets see, Freitas and Mayweather campaigned in the same division for a few years. BUT while Freitas was fighting and defending his title against such notable names as Barry Jones, Lemuel Nelson and Daniel Alicea - Floyd was taking on nobody's like Carlos "Famous" Hernandez, Diego Corrales, Jesus Chavez, Genaro Hernandez, Angel Manfedy and Jose Luis Castillo.:hmm: And in case you didn't know this, here's another fact for you... in 2005, Floyd pursued a fight with Kostya - Kostya chose to fight Ricky Hatton instead and we know how that ended up.
And why would he fight Margarito for 8mil, beat him and his reward from Arum was a fight with Cotto for 7mil, that makes no business sense. Never mind the fact that Floyd had much more than those two purses combined on the table to fight Oscar. You don't like Floyd? Fine, say that. But don't present your own personal arguments and try to pass them off as facts.



Casamayor is the only one that burns.

There have been articles posted by Merce were Arum was trying to pay Floyd pennies to fight Margarito and Cotto when Floyd was signed to Top Rank so he took a different path for more money. This has been talked about for years and still you don't get that part of the fight business is business...

Kostya isn't even worth mentioning because he quit on Hatton and Floyd dominated Hatton.

I mean damn Floyd has been fighting champions with the exception of Judah for years straight. He hasn't fought everyone I want but Casamayor is the only person you listed that who be on my list also.

Exactly. The only one that really irks me is Casmayor. Dude was a very tricky, kinda dirty, excellent southpaw boxer with a ton of amateur experience who would have been fighting a very young and by comparison, inexperienced Floyd. I would have loved to have seen that fight, I have no idea why it never happened, could have been Floyd Sr.'s influence, could have been Arum steering Floyd clear, maybe it was none, but I doubt it was Floyd being "scared". I mean damn, ANY dude who fights for a living isn't scared of another fighter, and I think you can only truly understand that when you step through those ropes yourself.
 
By the way if the Casa fight did go down... even if he beat Floyd in a close fight. Mayor would have been robbed. :lol:

And buk, what time period are you talking about... the 130 era or 135?
 
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I also think it's odd for people to complain about all the advantages that Floyd has over his opponent.. while they say he is ducking people, but when you hear their list of people that he has duck... they list the Margaritos of the world of boxing for the most part.
 
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What is so funny is how you are critical of my piece but not about the OP's post. You guys need to just say you love dude.

He brought facts, you brought how you FEEL. I brought facts, you ducked them, so whatever.:smh:
 
Okay. Where was the OP wrong?

He'll duck the question. why bother? He couldn't even quote the post and highlight where the op was wrong. I shot down his little Kostya/Floyd thread and he had nothing to say. I can debate with people who come with facts, but people who bring their feelings without facts:smh:
 
Wow. Just watched the Mayweather/Corrales fight and Floyd called out Casamayor and Prince Naseem Hamed after the fight. After the Jesus Chavez fight Floyd also called out Castillo who he hadn't fought yet and Kostya Tszyu. After his fight with N'Dou Mayweather said and I QUOTE:

“All these guys say they want to fight, but when you challenge them, they never want to fight. Floyd Mayweather would fight anybody from 154 and down. Mark my words.”


After his fight with Genaro Hernandez he called out Mosley, after the Breuseles fight he called out Gatti, Kotya and Oscar and got two of those fights, so his words weren't hollow, he called them out and fought them and beat them. Face facts, when Floyd was a different fighter and actually going for the beatdown instead of just the "easy" win, dude was one of the most avoided fighters in the game. When he changed his style up and became a "heel" character like in wrestling, everyone wanted to fight him for the big payday and he finally got to pick and chose fights for the most money, that's how it goes in boxing.
 

Where was the OP wrong?

Wow. Just watched the Mayweather/Corrales fight and Floyd called out Casamayor and Prince Naseem Hamed after the fight. After the Jesus Chavez fight Floyd also called out Castillo who he hadn't fought yet and Kostya Tszyu. After his fight with N'Dou Mayweather said and I QUOTE:

“All these guys say they want to fight, but when you challenge them, they never want to fight. Floyd Mayweather would fight anybody from 154 and down. Mark my words.”


After his fight with Genaro Hernandez he called out Mosley, after the Breuseles fight he called out Gatti, Kotya and Oscar and got two of those fights, so his words weren't hollow, he called them out and fought them and beat them. Face facts, when Floyd was a different fighter and actually going for the beatdown instead of just the "easy" win, dude was one of the most avoided fighters in the game. When he changed his style up and became a "heel" character like in wrestling, everyone wanted to fight him for the big payday and he finally got to pick and chose fights for the most money, that's how it goes in boxing.

When he was making his name, he wanted to fight everybody but when he became THE name, he made people get in line, as you said, that's boxing.
 
When Floyd left 130 he was having trouble making weight, he didnt eat for 3 days prior to his last fight at 130 and he moved to 140 to chase the money
 
both of them hoes.

thats why i watch UFC now.

good fights every couple months and no ducking.

Not true. Jon Jones "needed" surgery on his hand..as soon as Rashad Evans got another opponent he could all of a sudden fight and took a bout against Rampage...somebody that wasn't handing him his ass in training.
 
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